正确提高支持度降低恐慌的姿势:英国已经测试过万人。欧盟多国积极检测取消大型集会

梅干茶泡饭
楼主 (北美华人网)
目前欧洲各国都开始了比谁测试得多,比谁医院管的更好的比赛~

欧盟里意大利西班牙一直都在提高自己的医院水平,并希望用这个来吸引养老人群定居创收。

目前在欧洲,谁测试得多,谁在医院门口搭帐篷(pre-screen患者免得污染急诊室)搭得好,谁表现得更果断已经成为捞民意捞选票的策略。城市官员 比如米兰市长 有的还在考虑餐饮等营业者的支持度,继续支持大家保持活动。然而区域性的长官,比如伦巴底的大区长(相当于州长),或是国家级别的长官,都在积极投资医疗,希望用多多test来维持大家的信心。

另外昨天有人说意大利只test重症 或者说意大利不公布数字了。这是fake news. 如果你有看到新闻麻烦给个link, 要意大利语或者英语的。我还没看到。实际上只是意大利宣布从地毯式test, 变成test有症状的人-或-确诊病例的密切接触者。轻症状会被test

英国
As of 29 February at 9am, a total of 10,483 people have been tested in the UK, of which 10,460 were confirmed negative and 23 positive.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public#number-of-cases

瑞士:人口8M多 和NYC人口差不多

已经测试500余人 测试能力暂时扩充到一日一千个test
另外意识/经济形态上瑞士是欧洲最接近美国的,被誉为欧洲的德州。拥枪,低税收,医保系统是private 居民需要购买医保。所以,所以美帝CDC没啥理由可以找。
More than 500 people in Switzerland have so far been tested for the new coronavirus. Nose and throat swabs were being taken and sent to laboratories for screening. A number of people are in quarantine in their canton of residence.

The number of testing laboratories in Switzerland has been boosted from one to ten with increased capacities. They can now perform 1,000 coronavirus tests a day.

意大利现状
https://www.corriere.it/cronache/20_febbraio_29/coronavirus-italia-superati-mille-contagi-29-morti-9dc7001c-5b37-11ea-8b1a-b76251361796.shtml
梅干茶泡饭
美国CDC 人在做 天在看 不信抬头看 苍天饶过谁!
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jiangyoudang17
看不懂意大利文,知乎上说意大利宣布不再更新(轻症)确诊数量了,怕引起恐慌,真的么?前后对比也是神操作
小毛衣
美国能不能学学啊!
梅干茶泡饭
瑞士已经测试500人 并且提高能力到每日测试一千次 More than 500 people in Switzerland have so far been tested for the new coronavirus. Nose and throat swabs were being taken and sent to laboratories for screening. A number of people are in quarantine in their canton of residence. The number of testing laboratories in Switzerland has been boosted from one to ten with increased capacities. They can now perform 1,000 coronavirus tests a day.
梅干茶泡饭
看不懂意大利文,知乎上说意大利宣布不再更新(轻症)确诊数量了,怕引起恐慌,真的么?前后对比也是神操作
jiangyoudang17 发表于 2/29/2020 7:50:22 PM


我没看到这个新闻 数字一直在公布

In all, however, since the emergency began, 1,128 people have tested positivecoronavirus, according to the latest data released yesterday by Borrelli. Removed the healed (50) and the deceased (29), of the 1,049 remaining - says the head of the Civil Protection - 52%, 543 people infected, is now in home isolation; another 401 people, 38%, are instead hospitalized with symptoms; finally, 10%, 105 people, are currently in intensive care. According to the president of the Higher Institute of Health, Silvio Brusaferro, "the cases we report today are cases that contracted infections before we took the measures". That is, before the government, with the help of scientists, put their hand to the package of closures. We are talking, however, of just a week ago. "And we don't expect the effect of the measures we have taken before 8-10 days," concluded Brusaferro.

你可以看这个然后用chrome的translate to english 的办法
https://www.corriere.it/cronache/20_febbraio_29/coronavirus-italia-superati-mille-contagi-29-morti-9dc7001c-5b37-11ea-8b1a-b76251361796.shtml
梅干茶泡饭
看不懂意大利文,知乎上说意大利宣布不再更新(轻症)确诊数量了,怕引起恐慌,真的么?前后对比也是神操作
jiangyoudang17 发表于 2/29/2020 7:50:22 PM

我认为那个是假消息,断章取义。实际上一直在公布。
https://www.corriere.it/salute/malattie_infettive/20_febbraio_29/coronavirus-888-contagi-italia-ecco-numeri-regione-regione-1b326950-5afd-11ea-8b1a-b76251361796.shtml
这是2月29日的update.

In Italy 1,128 people contracted the Sars-CoV-2 coronavirus ( +240 compared to Friday 28 February): the cases are distributed in 13 regions and one in the autonomous province of Bolzano . ( Here the updates in real time; here the decision on schools closed in three Regions and open "checkerboard" in others).

The hospitalized patients with symptoms are 401 ( +56 ), of which 105 in intensive care ( +41 ), while 543 (+131) asymptomatic are in trustee home isolation. 50

people healed in Italy (+4), the deceased 29 (eight more than Friday), of which 23 in Lombardy, 2 in Veneto, 4 in Emilia-Romagna. The number can only be confirmed after the Higher Institute of Health has established the actual cause of death.

In the Regions
Here are the numbers of people infected in the individual regions:
615 in Lombardy ( +84 compared to Friday 28 February )
191 in Veneto ( +40 )
217 in Emilia-Romagna ( +72 )
42 in Liguria ( +23 )
11 in Piedmont (-)
11 in Tuscany ( +3 )
11 in Marche ( +5 )
4 in Sicily (-)
13 in Campania ( +9 )
6 in Lazio ( +3 )
3 in Puglia (-)
1 in Abruzzo (-)
1in Calabria (-)
1 in the Autonomous Province of Bolzano (-)

更直观可以看这里
https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/
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yl218699
美国现在的反应,完全第三世界国家水平,测的还没有伊朗多。
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oceanmist
美国前期这么混乱放松,后期要吃大亏的。这都是怎么想的,从1月17-18号就该收紧啊。美国测不测估计还是考虑钱。美国真是个被资本家绑架了的国家。即使现在还不知道测试和治疗的花费是什么情况。如果测试费用太高,很多轻症根本不会去看。
梅干茶泡饭
美国前期这么混乱放松,后期要吃大亏的。这都是怎么想的,从1月17-18号就该收紧啊。美国测不测估计还是考虑钱。美国真是个被资本家绑架了的国家。即使现在还不知道测试和治疗的花费是什么情况。如果测试费用太高,很多轻症根本不会去看。
oceanmist 发表于 2/29/2020 8:17:03 PM

瑞士也是私人医疗,居民需要买医保。人家人口和纽约差不多,已经测试500个人。

没啥好说的

就是美国CDC 草菅人命
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jiangyoudang17

我认为那个是假消息,断章取义。实际上一直在公布。
https://www.corriere.it/salute/malattie_infettive/20_febbraio_29/coronavirus-888-contagi-italia-ecco-numeri-regione-regione-1b326950-5afd-11ea-8b1a-b76251361796.shtml
这是2月29日的update.

In Italy 1,128 people contracted the Sars-CoV-2 coronavirus ( +240 compared to Friday 28 February): the cases are distributed in 13 regions and one in the autonomous province of Bolzano . ( Here the updates in real time; here the decision on schools closed in three Regions and open "checkerboard" in others).

The hospitalized patients with symptoms are 401 ( +56 ), of which 105 in intensive care ( +41 ), while 543 (+131) asymptomatic are in trustee home isolation. 50

people healed in Italy (+4), the deceased 29 (eight more than Friday), of which 23 in Lombardy, 2 in Veneto, 4 in Emilia-Romagna. The number can only be confirmed after the Higher Institute of Health has established the actual cause of death.

In the Regions
Here are the numbers of people infected in the individual regions:
615 in Lombardy ( +84 compared to Friday 28 February )
191 in Veneto ( +40 )
217 in Emilia-Romagna ( +72 )
42 in Liguria ( +23 )
11 in Piedmont (-)
11 in Tuscany ( +3 )
11 in Marche ( +5 )
4 in Sicily (-)
13 in Campania ( +9 )
6 in Lazio ( +3 )
3 in Puglia (-)
1 in Abruzzo (-)
1in Calabria (-)
1 in the Autonomous Province of Bolzano (-)

更直观可以看这里
https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/

梅干茶泡饭 发表于 2/29/2020 8:10:10 PM


https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/italy-virus-count-methods-agencys-urging-69254949

看这里的说法,佐证了在意华人的说法。不是粗暴地不公布,而是提高检查标准,人为降低每天增加的case
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mangotango
板上左右各派粉丝看看,这才是正确提高民意的方式,都给你们campaign manager 反映下,搞什么rally简直是害人害己。当然了如果控制不住川普受损会大一些,毕竟政府是他在管,没那么容易甩锅。
美国能不能学学啊!
小毛衣 发表于 2/29/2020 7:50:52 PM

弃赛喔
瑞士已经测试500人 并且提高能力到每日测试一千次

More than 500 people in Switzerland have so far been tested for the new coronavirus. Nose and throat swabs were being taken and sent to laboratories for screening. A number of people are in quarantine in their canton of residence.

The number of testing laboratories in Switzerland has been boosted from one to ten with increased capacities. They can now perform 1,000 coronavirus tests a day.
梅干茶泡饭 发表于 2/29/2020 7:51:35 PM

一千次啊一千次,一天!!!我们嘛,可以找一千个理由解释为啥还测不出来喔。
梅干茶泡饭


https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/italy-virus-count-methods-agencys-urging-69254949

看这里的说法,佐证了在意华人的说法。不是粗暴地不公布,而是提高检查标准,人为降低每天增加的case

jiangyoudang17 发表于 2/29/2020 9:03:30 PM


一楼已经说了 是把标准从 测试去过爆发的几个地方
变成测试有症状或者确诊患者密切接触者

原因是现在有症状或者密切接触者数目很大了
这和知乎上带节奏说不公布数字什么的哪里是一个意思?
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Pompom
瑞士测了一千多人了。
英国是无需旅行或接触史,有流感症状的也可以测
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VanilaiceCream
赞!呆梨控制住指日可待
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sunnypotato
从国内的情况看,不管是武汉周边县市,一个城市上千的病例,还是浙江河南广东这种一个省病例过千的,只要病例及时收治,密切接触者隔离观察,短时间内都控制住了。唯一失控的就是武汉,原因是在感染人数可能几万人的时候还没有任何有效的措施隔离感染者。所以感觉日本韩国法国这些眼下比较高危的国家,其实也没有那么悲观。
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jiangyoudang17


一楼已经说了 是把标准从 测试去过爆发的几个地方
变成测试有症状或者确诊患者密切接触者

原因是现在有症状或者密切接触者数目很大了
这和知乎上带节奏说不公布数字什么的哪里是一个意思?

梅干茶泡饭 发表于 2/29/2020 9:13:14 PM


知乎上没说不公布数字啊。何必给人扣帽子呢。都是在意华人自己提供信息,又不是新闻发言人要说得面面俱到。你何必激动呢……
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zlltt
there must be many false positive , before virus really spreads
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amberhoho
美国前期这么混乱放松,后期要吃大亏的。这都是怎么想的,从1月17-18号就该收紧啊。美国测不测估计还是考虑钱。美国真是个被资本家绑架了的国家。即使现在还不知道测试和治疗的花费是什么情况。如果测试费用太高,很多轻症根本不会去看。
oceanmist 发表于 2/29/2020 8:17:03 PM


re 从中国到日韩到伊朗到欧洲,爆发了一圈,这么长时间,美国就算慢吞吞地准备也该准备好了,何况我党1月就通报了!CDC在干嘛?啥也没干! 除了被资本绑架,还忙着党派政治,竞选辩论,吵成一锅粥。加上烂透了的医保体系,这次要爆真是系统性崩溃了。
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oceanmist
从国内的情况看,不管是武汉周边县市,一个城市上千的病例,还是浙江河南广东这种一个省病例过千的,只要病例及时收治,密切接触者隔离观察,短时间内都控制住了。唯一失控的就是武汉,原因是在感染人数可能几万人的时候还没有任何有效的措施隔离感染者。所以感觉日本韩国法国这些眼下比较高危的国家,其实也没有那么悲观。

sunnypotato 发表于 2/29/2020 9:17:31 PM

就怕美国走武汉的老路,不隔离密切接触者。现在一副放弃的死样子。我希望我们州积极些,周五说本周可以测了,不用送去cdc。送去cdc太慢了。像华州的case,结果出来病人可能都挂了。