人心惶惶中用【数据说话】

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Caffeine
楼主 (北美华人网)
由于显而易见的原因,用的非中国数据。死亡率现在在1%以上,但是热带地区的数据很鼓励人。美国多数地区4月就会60多度了,所以我们还有4-6个星期的冷天需要对付。到时候流感季节也过去了,医院资源也更充裕。(注:理论来讲DEATH RATE=NO. OF DEATHS/(NO. OF DEATHS+RECOVERY). 但是现在中国以外的case刚开始,所以无法用科学的定义来算。)

fwiw,我现在做的是家里囤了pasta,米,面等。消毒液,少许饮用水。蜡烛和太阳能收音机都有。
娃学校现在开始搞远程教育的计划,以防万一。我们公司如果需要也会远程上班。
我们如果不是必须的,尽量不去医院。

昨天晚上的讲话,我觉得最重要的是:
1.疫苗最快1年出来
2.近期的希望就在人民的希望。加速测试,有用就是它了。
3.旅行计划要有灵活性。

下面是数据:
(测试不够的地区的数字我觉得不是很好用,但是聊胜于无。)

[table=98%]
[td=166]Cumulative data as of 2/27/2020[td=84][td=84][td=84][td=84][td=84][td=84][td=84][td=84]

Cases Recovered Recovery rate Serious&Critical [td=84] Serious&Critical
Rate
Deaths [td=84] Death rate
to date
Comments
Not testing constrained; cold
Korea 1,766 24 1.4% 18 1.0% 13 0.7% Exhibited hospital capacity shortage
Italy 528 3 0.6% 19 3.6% 14 2.7%
Japan 207 32 15.5% 13 6.3% 4 1.9%
Total 2,501 59 2.4% 50 2.0% 31 1.2%

Testing constrained; cold
US 60 6 10.0% 1 1.7% 0 0.0% Includes 3 from Wuhan repatriation and 42 from Diamond Princess
Germany 26 15 57.7% 2 7.7% 0 0.0%
France 18 11 61.1% 1 5.6% 2 11.1%
UK 15 8 53.3% 2 13.3% 0 0.0%
Canada 12 3 25.0% NA 0 0.0%
Total 131 43 32.8% 6 5.0% 2 1.5%

Warmer climate
Singapore 93 58 62.4% 7 7.5% 0 0.0%
Hongkong 92 18 19.6% 6 6.5% 2 2.2%
Thailand 40 15 37.5% 2 5.0% 0 0.0%
Taiwan 32 5 15.6% NA 1 3.1%
Australia 23 15 65.2% NA 0 0.0%
Malaysia 22 17 77.3% NA 0 0.0%
Vietnam 16 16 100.0% 0 0.0% 0 0.0%
Macau 10 6 60.0% NA 0 0.0%
Philippines 3 1 33.3% NA 0 0.0%
India 3 3 100.0% NA 0 0.0%
Total 334 154 46.1% 15 6.2% 3 0.9%

Other notables
Diamond Princess 705 10 36 5.1% 4 0.6%
Iran 245 26 10.6%

Source:
[td=3,1]https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

bloomberg看到一些干货:
”About 40 public health labs can currently test for the virus using the modified version of the existing tests, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said in Washington Thursday. A new test kit the government is developing could be sent to more than 90 public-health labs as soon as Monday, he said.


The existing test, built by CDC just a few weeks after the virus was sequenced, is able to detect small amounts of the virus found in swabs taken from the nose and throats of potential patients. It’s called a real-time polymerase chain-reaction test, or real-time PCR, and it takes about four to six hours to run.
Local labs have run into issues performing what’s called validation -- a crucial step to determine if the tests are reliable. The test looks at the genetic material of the virus to confirm the pathogen is present. It involves a series of three sub-tests, all of which have to be positive for the full test to be considered positive.
State and local labs have run into problems with the third of the sub-tests. Becker, from the lab association, said federal health officials were going to let them drop that part and use only two.“
https://blinks.bloomberg.com/news/stories/Q6DBTTDWX2PW

也就是下周病例会突然增加
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express77
做好准备,准备好了就不怕。
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habibi
怎么香港的recovery rate这么低?越南真行
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neolaga
怎么香港的recovery rate这么低?越南真行
habibi 发表于 2/27/2020 11:24:10 AM

追求recover率只能造成大跃进式康复,比如土共
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Caffeine
怎么香港的recovery rate这么低?越南真行
habibi 发表于 2/27/2020 11:24:10 AM

recovery是早晚的事情,有的地方激进有的地方保守吧。
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.岸.
从这些数据中看不出死亡率大于1%
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SmileOrange
赞科学态度
宣传委员
赞数据,这是硬货。 昨天新闻发布会,感觉川普把这事当做flu一个level了。
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huarenmochi
你的数据哪里来的?不是官媒,死亡率小于1%,比官媒还乐观。

难道是中宣部还提供给地下工作者另一套数据?
chineseinusa822 发表于 2/27/2020 11:53:26 AM


国内除武汉之外的数据是小于1%的。
法国11.1%???
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artdong
赞一下数据。 其实病毒传染这种事情很玄的。有些前线医生护士,病毒堆里日滚夜滚也没事,有些人从来没接触过病人却无缘无故染到了。 所以最重要就是,自己本身做足防备工作,那么就问心无愧了。
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sanguo9
回复 1楼Caffeine的帖子
“美国多数地区4月就会60多度了,所以我们还有4-6个月的冷天需要对付”?
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Caffeine
回复 1楼Caffeine的帖子
“美国多数地区4月就会60多度了,所以我们还有4-6个月的冷天需要对付”?

sanguo9 发表于 2/27/2020 11:57:33 AM

星期。谢谢纠正。
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huela
赞数据,这是硬货。
昨天新闻发布会,感觉川普把这事当做flu一个level了。
宣传委员 发表于 2/27/2020 11:51:15 AM


看看国土安全局的发言, Covid-2 死亡率2%, 流感死亡率 2%, 如果这样的人一直像上面报告, 能重视的起来吗? 那个国土安全局的人,一问三不知。 啥都要回去查数据。。。
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Caffeine
你的数据哪里来的?不是官媒,死亡率小于1%,比官媒还乐观。

难道是中宣部还提供给地下工作者另一套数据?
chineseinusa822 发表于 2/27/2020 11:53:26 AM

原帖写了。bno
花花朵朵
只要医疗资源够,有人们的希望在手还是比较乐观的。就怕传播开来病人太多医疗资源不够,病人不能得到及时医治,就很可怕了。
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keynorth01
赞数据分析。大力提倡。 然而。先不说你的方法。就用你的方法,菲律宾死了一个。加上去warm地区也是1.2%,和cold地区没区别,所以温度这个论点不成立。Critial rate warm地区还高一些。 我个人认为温度肯定是有影响的,但不能用你的数据证明。
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QIQITG
讚數據流!但願如樓主所説,就4-6周了,堅持就是勝利
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Caffeine
再加新的bloomberg干货:

”About 40 public health labs can currently test for the virus using the modified version of the existing tests, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said in Washington Thursday. A new test kit the government is developing could be sent to more than 90 public-health labs as soon as Monday, he said.


The existing test, built by CDC just a few weeks after the virus was sequenced, is able to detect small amounts of the virus found in swabs taken from the nose and throats of potential patients. It’s called a real-time polymerase chain-reaction test, or real-time PCR, and it takes about four to six hours to run.
Local labs have run into issues performing what’s called validation -- a crucial step to determine if the tests are reliable. The test looks at the genetic material of the virus to confirm the pathogen is present. It involves a series of three sub-tests, all of which have to be positive for the full test to be considered positive.
State and local labs have run into problems with the third of the sub-tests. Becker, from the lab association, said federal health officials were going to let them drop that part and use only two.“
https://blinks.bloomberg.com/news/stories/Q6DBTTDWX2PW

也就是下周病例会突然增加
陆飞飞
而且今年这个冬天比往年暖和得多,照目前这个趋势看,四月底五月初就会很暖和了, January 2020 was the hottest in modern recorded history, NOAA says There has never been a warmer January in 141 years of climate records. https://abcnews.go.com/US/january-2020-hottest-earths-history-noaa/story?id=68912465
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vva
照这个数据,是不是现在就已经六七十度的南方会安全一些?
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Caffeine
而且今年这个冬天比往年暖和得多,照目前这个趋势看,四月底五月初就会很暖和了,

January 2020 was the hottest in modern recorded history, NOAA says There has never been a warmer January in 141 years of climate records.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/january-2020-hottest-earths-history-noaa/story?id=68912465
陆飞飞 发表于 2/27/2020 1:11:44 PM

对。今年暖冬。我现在谨慎乐观。
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Caffeine
照这个数据,是不是现在就已经六七十度的南方会安全一些?
vva 发表于 2/27/2020 1:19:21 PM

我觉得是。就是香港台湾的感觉。
美颜盛世
南加已经七十多度了,白天中午小朋友们都穿短袖了,流感都少了,反正都是好消息
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sweettree
祈祷天气赶快把病毒热死
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Bmhr01233210
湾区这几天最高气温都在70多度。
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moonlightpath
请问消毒液买哪种?lysol spray可以吗?
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Viviennedd
查了一下温度,40-55F这个区间的城市很多,伊朗意大利北德法日韩等同武汉,一旦有超级携带者就会爆发。