我强烈建议近期2周至一个月内不要来欧洲旅行 除非你是皮实的背包客

梅干茶泡饭
楼主 (北美华人网)
今天的消息更多 事情也不少今天 我现在非常非常明确的说 三月份请不要来欧洲玩了,包括英国。

今天欧洲各地连续爆发坏消息

英国伦敦近郊发现未知来源人传人,最近没出国的人确诊。另外此郡的一个医生(英国叫GP相当于美帝家庭医生)高度疑似,他的妻子也是医生。如果确诊后果不堪设想!

钻石公主第一例外国人死亡,是英国人。

法国军事基地出现聚集性人传人。这是前两天那个突然死亡的60岁教师引发的一系列检查。目前病毒来源未知。

法国安纳西出现病例。这是著名旅游景点。

西班牙也有不明来源人传人。

意大利虽然尽量的发布一些积极的新闻并且作出一些恢复经济的努力。但是今天伦巴底州长还是继续延长学校停课令。

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总之如果你不是像我们这样熟悉欧洲,有plan B的人,不是皮实的背包客,请在三月不要来欧洲度假。
如果有工作安排,请咨询你公司的人,think hard before you go.
感染上病毒的risk虽然不大。但是你的旅行很可能被打扰,很可能没法放松enjoy, 也可能delay行程。请三思!

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今天爆出来的新闻比较多 我事情也有点多 回头晚上会给个总结(可能那时候又继续进展迅速了。。。)

这几天很多人都问要不要继续来欧洲玩。

我现在的建议是,拖家带口的,容易焦虑的别来了。期限是从现在开始至少14天。
背包客,frequent traveler, 咱这种其实也不怕是吧。大不了深度游呗。景点里面关门,就去看室外景点。我现在一个哥们就在继续开车转转看引水渠呢。我要不是因为爸妈在这里,这会我就趁着人少逆流而上了。如果要坐公共交通,别买最便宜二等座。

关于要来开会的出差的,我不认为你们来转一圈就会感染病毒。这个几率还是很小。最大危险还是可能会耽误行程,你觉得这个没问题就可以来。

但是欧洲旅游经验不多的,你们还是算了!你如果去一个你去过的了解的国家,没问题。第一次去陌生国家,语言不通,两眼一抹黑的,就算了啊。 前几天OBB被卡在山口停了几个小时,你语言不通,意大利语听着乱七八糟,德语听着和盖世太保一个味道,你说你到时候多慌 = =

到什么时候结束,我没办法预测。个人意见一个月以内的非必要行程可以取消。如果一定要来,请选择条件好的口碑非常好的,前台24小时营业的正规hotel。需要长期服用的药品带足。

关于歧视,我没有感受到。尤其是大城市大家习惯了亚裔在这里生活。很多网上的新闻都是张冠李戴编造的。尤其是现在大家更怕意大利人,去意大利滑雪的人。。。

另外从上周五开始,情况是急速escalate, 几个小时一个样。民众的关注度也是加速度上升。毕竟遥远的中国发生什么,对比大家耳熟能详的米兰威尼斯发生了什么,感受是非常非常不一样的。

我看了昨天采访意大利一号病人治疗医生的报道。目前来说治疗方案是毕竟成熟的,克力芝搭配其他抗病毒药的鸡尾酒,效果不错。
我建议不要出游的原因是不想耽误工作学习,行动受限变成深度游。不是现在来一趟欧洲就真的会中招感染病死,这个risk其实没那么大。比如加纳利那些被隔离在旅店里面的度假客。。。现在关在那里。。。多不爽。。。
如果你是为了business原因来,就衡量衡量风险。为了纯粹玩,我觉得没必要。

有不少过公司已经要求一周内去过伦巴底大区,甚至意大利北方的在家隔离。这还是挺耽误事情的。不少人都刚去那边滑雪度假过。

目前我认为北欧除了丹麦以外,风险还是低一些的。但是我估计你们也不会这个天气去那边玩。

意大利现在是大灾区。其余欧洲大陆国家,目前来说风声鹤唳。
我身边的欧洲人民都取消行程了。他们说:有stress的vacation不是好vacation 。土耳其小哥都做好了取消复活节意大利之旅的准备,本来打算回土耳其,但是他看到伊朗和中东的消息之后,果断决定不回家了。。。
英国小哥取消了计划已久的阿尔卑斯/意大利之旅,现在正在考虑是不是去北欧躲避。

意大利北方人民有的龟缩,有的举家去南方,正好享受下阳光。没想到南方几个穷大区已经颁布法令,要求北方来的都必须自我隔离14天。。。

欧洲人民被黑死病,疟疾,霍乱,西班牙流感,收了好几个世纪的人头。他们可能当着你面嘻嘻哈哈,满不在乎,但是现在都在取消行程。。。这是写到基因里面的东西。

大量公司今天都update了travel advise。目前对于一些区域的建议是strongly advice not travel unless business essential。想去的话先问问manager。
说实话,去了现在也没人和你开会。白去。。。
这个区域包括整个意大利,以及一些其他地方。由于信息每时每刻都在变化,所以也无法确定。总之,对于北美的朋友们,别来了。

如果你拖家带口,或者是不怎么了解欧洲的,别来。
如果你是那种老练旅客,了解欧洲,遇到问题知道怎么处理的,自行斟酌。

大家知道米兰及其周边是很重要的工业/金融区。这次影响很大。加上意大利北部是很热门的滑雪区。现在正是很多欧洲学校的春假。有的上周放假,有的这周。所以很多人去那附近滑雪,当地也有不少去南欧岛屿晒太阳(比如加纳利群岛,西西里等等)。所以目前官方对于已经spread到了什么程度没有个底。
还想来玩的,可以看看今天佛罗伦萨的例子。托斯卡纳大区第一例确诊于圣母百花教堂隔壁的新圣玛利亚医院。这个医院就在旅游区的旅游中心。甚至这个医院本身就是一个景点!700多年历史的医院,创始人就是但丁神曲里比阿特里斯的父亲,达芬奇在这里做过解剖实习。这医院在黑死病期间也没关门一天,现在急诊室在消毒。。。

你说你来玩的话,得多闹心。。。

我们这种本地客,知道这种情况下去什么地方,怎么搞plan B。你们怎么搞呢。。。

我保持谨慎乐观。我认为反应的越快越果断,处置得越保守越科学,就可以越快得控制住局面。百年的公共医学,千年的抗瘟疫历史,其实已经留给我们一套成熟的方案。只要认真去做,就不会太坏。

意大利人民继承了米兰大主教的光荣传统,果断的处置,不回避犯下的mistake,尊重科学,非常实事求是。一改广大人民心中懒散的形象。。。作为解剖学和现代医学的发源地,不给祖宗丢脸,意大利给欧洲做出了榜样。现在欧洲各国比赛似的比谁果断,谁积极,谁治疗的好。。。

实话说其实意大利北方人比较很安静很勤奋的。那些stereotype 其实是南方人啦。。。

PS:大家关心的暑假能不能到欧洲玩的问题。我的态度是,没法估计。
但是我个人内心认为看欧洲各国目前的措施还是很果断的,我对他们快速控制局势的能力保持谨慎乐观。
如果暑假指的是7月8月,可以先观望下。如果还没订的可以考虑其他方案。

当然继续提醒下,在美国申请申根签证一定要提前预约!提前半年计划预订位置!所以你们现在应该已经预约了,该去申请还是去申请。反正申请费对于美国收入也不算高。。。
另外任何年头我都不建议八月份来意大利玩。昨天报纸的标题是”现在在米兰找车位就和八月份一样容易~“ 说的就是八月份意大利放高温假,哪哪都关门,避暑的地方哪哪人都多。。。

大家问4月5月。我个人比较谨慎乐观,更倾向于认为欧洲局面可以在3月底,甚至14天内控制住。但是这只是我目前的预测,接下来会怎么样,关键在于接下来的一两周形势怎么发展。大家自己看着办啊!这会谁都说不好。

拿我自己举例子:
我平时半年美国半年欧洲。今年这个事情发生了我取消了一些不是必须的旅行。目前我自己的2月德国和3月意大利两次计划取消。暂时保留五月去美国的计划。哎,上一次吃川菜还是圣诞节法拉盛,怀念啊。。。。。呜呜呜。。。。

 

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isabel
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一周之间,世界大乱。
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arabdopsis
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实话说我虽然一直很佩服trump出手狠辣

没想到真能干出来禁止申根区的事情

这两天奥地利对意大利实行border control要求健康证明了 奥地利瑞士是离疫区交通最方便的地方

瑞士今天磨磨唧唧说在考虑 估计就是南方那个意大利语洲不同意 怕住住意大利的通勤的不能来上班。。。哎 瑞士做决定必须考虑各个洲 松散联邦制度= =

估计trump是问过申根能不能对意大利控制的 否则不会有今天欧盟这么多奇怪的新闻

意大利现在报复欧盟内部管的严格 但是根本不管谁出国。。。

佩服trump 换作是我 我做不到 即使我知道是正确的

希望这个travel ban敲响警钟 那些洗手论的能醒过来 还有希望英国醒过来抓住最后的机会。。。
梅干茶泡饭 发表于 3/11/2020 9:43:29 PM

希望trump顶住 要是白等上台就完蛋了 估计要等世界大同了
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lunablue
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谢谢楼主的持续更新,看这节奏欧洲还要再恶化一阵子。接下来就看美国了,截至目前医院还没有崩溃
梅干茶泡饭
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帮LZ update一下奥地利的情况:
离意大利伦巴第最近的雪区Tirol爆发最厉害,雪季已提前结束,有两个小镇已经封城,封两周;
全国大学和高中关闭改上网课,小学和初中停课不关门,保证父母实在无法照看的孩子有老师看管,幼儿园同小学,号召年轻父母不要请长辈照看孩子;
医院禁止探病,养老院禁止探望;
企业尽量home office,有14岁以下孩子的员工可以休最多三周特别假,期间的工资由政府负担1/3;
除超市、邮局、银行和烟草零售店,其余商店和娱乐场所都关门,餐馆和咖啡店只能营业到下午3点;
维也纳展览馆开始布置方舱,下周A厅将提供880个床位。

BTW,我觉得德国上周开始实施的新冠检测drive-in不错,类似麦当劳 drive through,疑似者在自己的车里开个窗就被取样了,效率很高。
lica 发表于 3/13/2020 2:55:33 PM

奥地利真的好赞

英国亮瞎我眼睛了
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lica
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帮LZ update一下奥地利的情况: 离意大利伦巴第最近的雪区Tirol爆发最厉害,雪季已提前结束,有两个小镇已经封城,封两周; 全国大学和高中关闭改上网课,小学和初中停课不关门,保证父母实在无法照看的孩子有老师看管,幼儿园同小学,号召年轻父母不要请长辈照看孩子; 医院禁止探病,养老院禁止探望; 企业尽量home office,有14岁以下孩子的员工可以休最多三周特别假,期间的工资由政府负担1/3; 除超市、邮局、银行和烟草零售店,其余商店和娱乐场所都关门,餐馆和咖啡店只能营业到下午3点; 维也纳展览馆开始布置方舱,下周A厅将提供880个床位。 BTW,我觉得德国上周开始实施的新冠检测drive-in不错,类似麦当劳 drive through,疑似者在自己的车里开个窗就被取样了,效率很高。

 

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梅干茶泡饭
占个楼 放以后的更新
这是意大利媒体的报道 能看原文的看原文 我贴个谷歌翻译

前几天还有人说啥外国人不会像中国人那么反应强烈。。。那种外国人就是美国人加拿大人这种比较勇敢的吧?看看下面的反应,欧洲各国把怕死两个字诠释得淋漓尽致。。。

英国上周去意大利北面white week出行的学校,直接停课了。大家回去隔离。
意大利各地,以及欧洲各地,到处都有自认为自己中招的意大利疫区相关人员”自投罗网“,检测得非常快。确诊之后立刻封锁需要封锁的地方。

奥地利因斯布鲁克,滑雪胜地。此地传统上和意大利关系非常紧密。一个来自意大利疫情爆发地的年轻女性,在因斯布鲁克某旅店做前台。她和男友上周五开车从意大利回到因斯布鲁克,周一早上不舒服,联系当地卫生部门,周二检测结果出来两人是阳性。奥地利政府立刻封锁旅店。目前他们在因斯布鲁克医学院住院,状况良好。因斯布鲁克医学院历史上有三个讲师得过诺贝尔奖,研究合成血红素谁呢么的,也可见这地方有机化学医学都挺厉害。人家直接从旅店出门,走几步就可以把样品送到大学里面,lab一跑就出结果了。美国CDC 你好意思么!
奥地利新闻:https://www.nachrichten.at/oberoesterreich/verdachtsfall-von-coronavirus-in-linz;art4,3231595
奥地利政府表示我们意识冠状病毒在欧洲肯定会传播,提前做了一些准备。

The two cases now result in far-reaching official measures: a hotel near the city center, in which the infected Italian woman worked, was temporarily blocked by order of the country. The Italian's home in Innsbruck was also affected. Around 15 police officers were deployed, Interior Minister Karl Nehammer (ÖVP) said. The police support the health authorities with all their might to implement the quarantine measures "quickly and efficiently". "We must do everything together to curb spread," said Nehammer. The corresponding missions were under way early Tuesday evening. These measures are done "in order to find possible contact persons and to carry out all necessary clarifications", it said. "Security and provision are now our top priority. We take all the necessary measures. The authorities are in close coordination with the health facilities and the workplace of the woman," said Governor Günther Platter (ÖVP). "A case has arisen that we are prepared for, and now we need to react quickly," the Chancellor emphasized to journalists. "We try to ensure the best possible cooperation between the authorities and also to ensure that there is transparent information for the population. There is nothing to hide, but everything is communicated transparently."

https://www.corriere.it/cronache/20_febbraio_25/coronavirus-italia-ultime-notizie-altri-due-casi-firenze-palermo-test-positivi-7a262494-579f-11ea-a2d7-f1bec9902bd3.shtml

Coronavirus in Italy, more than 300 infections. The Prosecutor of Padua investigates the death of the first victim
There are also cases in Liguria, Tuscany and Sicily. Prime Minister Conte: «No to closing schools in regions not involved». WHO: "Peak reached in China, now the epidemic is slowing down"
by Antonella De Gregorio and Chiara Severgnini
Coronavirus in Italy, more than 300 infections. The Prosecutor of Padua investigates the death of the first victimshadow

The numbers relating to the Coronavirus epidemic in Italy continue to increase: according to the latest bulletin, there are 322 cases ascertained in our country (also counting the deaths and those who were sick but then recovered), mostly in the so-called "area red »from Lodigiano. Eleven people who had contracted the virus died ( our study here ). The first Italian victims were already more or less seriously ill ( here the complete article ) and Covid-19 precipitated the situation. The president of the Lombardy region, Attilio Fontana, invites us to play down: "The virus is little more than an influenza," he said, reporting to the Council. Authorities have taken a number of measures to contain the infection (here's what the ordinances provide, region by region ), from the 14-day quarantine for those who have returned from China , to the closure of schools in some Regions ( all information here ). Then there are the "red zones", those of the outbreaks, in which one cannot enter and from which one cannot exit: a decree has established that involves 11 municipalities. Another decree allows companies in these areas to get their employees working from home . Meanwhile, a very strong political controversy has exploded today between the government ( Conte accused a hospital of making mistakes ) and the Lombardy region.

21:30 - Quarantine for two Ligurian hotels
146 people are quarantined in the two hotels in Alassio - "Al Mare" and "Bel Sit" - for which an isolation order has been issued: the party to which the belongs to the woman of Castiglione d'Adda positive to the virus. In the evening, three people were taken from isolated hotels in Alassio and taken to the hospital. "We still have no feedback on their status," said the president of the Liguria region Toti at a press conference. For now, two people are infected. All updates in this insight .

20:45 - First case of new coronavirus in Algeria
The African health minister Abderrahmane Benbouzid announced it on EnTv, as reported by the Tsa-algerie website. It is an Italian citizen, according to what was announced by the Minister of Health. The man arrived in Algeria on February 17 last, and is hospitalized in isolation at the Pasteur Institute. "All measures have been taken to take care of the patient, placed in quarantine," said the minister.

8.15 pm - Prosecutor of Padua opens a file on the death of the man suffering from coronavirus
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20:00 - Second case in Liguria
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19:45 - France invites to postpone travel in the Italian regions affected by the coronavirus
The French are "invited" to postpone their travels as much as possible in the Italian regions most affected by the epidemic of the new coronavirus. This was stated by the Undersecretary for Transport, Jean-Baptiste Djebbari.

19:15 - Positive Italian couple in Innsbruck, isolated hotel
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19:00 - Another victim in Veneto
A 76-year-old coronavirus-positive woman died at the Treviso hospital who was hospitalized today in resuscitation for respiratory complications. The Veneto Region has made it known.

6.30 pm - Cases in Palermo
rise to three Cases of coronavirus registered in Palermo rise to three. In addition to the Bergamo tourist admitted to the Vincenzo Cervello hospital, her husband and another person who was part of their same group of tourists, who arrived six days ago in the Sicilian capital, are also positive. Their swabs were sent to the Higher Institute of Health for final confirmation. To check if there were other infections, the hotel staff was swabbed. In the 93 rooms of the hotel only the party that was traveling with the tourist remained: all the other guests were sent away.

6.15 pm - The new bulletin: a total of 322 infections, 10 victims
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5.43 pm - Another 28 cases
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17:30 - Three Valencia fans under observation:
three Valencia fans returned from Italy to San Siro after attending the match between Atalanta and Valencia in San Siro, according to Spanish media, contacted the Spanish health services claiming to believe that he has symptoms of coronavirus. "They are still in the evaluation phase, it cannot be said that they are case studies," said the head of Epidemiology and Health Supervision of the Generalitat Valenciana, Hermelinda Vanaclocha.

4.48 pm - WHO: New cases are falling in China
"A rapidly escalating epidemic, but not a pandemic." WHO explains the coronavirus epidemic in China "is slowing down". "A spike in new infections has been reached, so there has been a stabilization and now we see a drop in new cases," said Bruce Aylward, head of the WHO-China joint mission on Covid-19. "However - he added - we must see if the slowdown will continue" and "we must continue to work quickly to fight the virus to avoid a pandemic". "China - claims the WHO - has pragmatically tackled a new virus that is very scary and spreads quickly. They have launched drastic measures, never seen before, to try to contain the spread of the virus ». "They have moved extremely rigorously and in an organized way," said Aylward.

4.44 pm - Coronavirus in Tenerife, his wife also positive. Quarantine Hotel
Spain updates coronavirus case accounting to five. The confirmation that the wife of the Italian doctor from the province of Piacenza, infected with the disease, on vacation in Tenerife with her family is also positive about the virus . Guests of the four-star hotel in the southwest of the island with 476 rooms - the H10 Costa Adeje Palace Hotel - are monitored: they have been told to stay in their rooms until the swabs are made.

16.10 - Contagion in Switzerland
The first case of Covid-19 in the Canton of Ticino has been reported in Switzerland. It is a 70-year-old man who was "infected in the Milan area during a demonstration," said Pascal Strupler, director of the Federal Office of Public Health. The man, who is in solitary confinement in a hospital in Ticino (it has not been made known which), is currently "stable". It was reiterated that the coronavirus risk in Switzerland is "moderate". For the moment, schools are not closed.

3:37 pm - Travel: the «Italian risk»
The list of countries that have taken measures against Italy is growing, following the coronavirus epidemic: from the «I do not recommend» travel to more rigid measures. All updates are published in real time on the Viaggiare Sicuri della Farnesina website . Jordan forbids entry to the country for travelers from Italy, along with Seychelles, Iraq and Kuwait, which has blocked all air connections with Italy. Bulgarian Air has also suspended all its flights to and from Milan until March 27. Restrictive measuresare expected in Mauritius, Bosnia, Qatar, Romania, Poland, Samoa, Bulgaria, Georgia. In Prague, security measures are underway for flights arriving from Italy. Previously, several countries have issued travel advice to discourage travel to risk regions (Lombardy, Veneto, Piedmont, Emilia-Romagna and Lazio): Saudi Arabia, Croatia, Ireland, Israel. Great Britain asks for "voluntary" quarantine to anyone arriving from northern Italy. Strict controls, directly on board the planes or upon entering the country are expected in Brazil, Argentina, Croatia, Lithuania, Latvia, Egypt, Ukraine, Montenegro, Serbia, Slovenia, South Africa. In France, Marine Le Pen's proposal to evaluate the closure of the borders with Italy has fallen on deaf ears. But the transalpine country has ordered 14 days of isolation for those returning from Lombardy and Veneto. The United States, on a scale of one to four, has given Italy risk one as a travel destination for Americans, while China is at level four.

3:34 pm - A case in Barcelona, ​​the first in mainland Spain
The Catalan authorities have confirmed a coronavirus case in Barcelona, ​​the first in mainland Spain after the cases reported in the Canary Islands (two) and the Balearic Islands (one). It is a 36 year old Italian woman, residing in Spain, who had just returned from a trip to Italy, between Bergamo and Milan.

3.15 pm - The expert: «Downsizing, 95% heals»
Over 6,200 tampons have been made in the country since the beginning of the emergency. A fact that was also underlined by Walter Ricciardi, member of the WHO executive committee and yesterday adviser to the Minister of Health, Roberto Speranza. "In Italy, after the first cases of Rome managed in an anthological way, there has been a fragmentation" in the action against the coronavirus, with "regions that made asymptomatic swabs and others to contacts", said the expert. "WHO says that swabs should only be made for symptomatics and for those who have been in certain areas," he added, reiterating that at this stage "protective masks are not needed by healthy people". And he specified: "France has made 300 of these buffers, we have 4000. Britain uses a method different from ours but has made 6000. A rigorous protocol and a single line of intervention must be followed". In a press conference at the Civil Protection, Ricciardi then launched a reassuring appeal: «We must reduce this great alarm, which is right, not to be underestimated, but the disease must be put in the right terms: out of 100 sick people, 80 recover spontaneously, 15 have serious but manageable problems in the healthcare environment, only 5 percent die, however you know that all the deceased people already had serious health conditions ».

2.44 pm - Two other suspicious cases in the Bergamo group
After the case of the Bergamo tourist tested positive in Palermo for the coronavirus test, there are two other suspect cases involving two members of the same group. They are the woman's husband and another person. The samples that concern them have been sent to the Spallanzani Institute for confirmation.

2.42 pm - «No closure of schools in regions not involved»
«The closure and suspension of school or production activities in regions where the virus has not spread cannot be justified. If anything, we can suspend educational trips. " This was stated by the Prime Minister, Giuseppe Conte, during a press conference at the Civil Protection headquarters.

2.39 pm - Count: «Citizens must be calm»
«The Italian national system is among the most efficient in the world and our health policy is among the most rigorous». The Prime Minister, Giuseppe Conte, sends a reassuring message to Italian citizens: «They must be calm. We are an excellence and our protocols - clarified from the Civil Protection office - are efficient, effective, and adequate to respond to the emergency ». To dampen the friction of the morning with the Regions, the premier evoked "the ethical imperative: collaborate": "I did not intend to surpass regional competences. I made a reflection on the health system organized on a regional basis, so coordination must be done with everyone, "he said. And to countries that are evaluating restrictions on access by our compatriots, he says: «We cannot accept it. Our fellow citizens can leave safely, for them and for others. Our national health system is excellent, we will tell the World Health Organization ».

2.23 pm - Two schools closed in Great Britain, after a trip to Italy
Two schools in the county of Cheshire, in the North-West of England, suspended their activities after some pupils returned from the white week spent in Italy, in Bormio.

2.15 pm - Woman, 72 years old: in Alassio the first case of Liguria
It is in Alassio, in the province of Savona, the first case of coronavirus infection found in Liguria. The Region announced. The patient is from Castiglione d'Adda, one of the centers of the Lodi area inserted in the so-called "red zone" to limit the spread of the infection. He is 72 years old and is in the San Martino hospital in Genoa, in solitary confinement in the infectious diseases ward. "Its conditions - one reads - are good." The lady had been in Alassio since 11 February. Governor Giovanni Toti complained on Twitter that the woman had received first care in the Albenga emergency room "without any protective measures". Now the patient is in San Martino in Genoa and is in good condition. An order from the mayor ordered the isolation in the hotel for the guests of the Alassio hotels "Al Mare" and "Bel Sit",

14.13 - 80 thousand infections in
the world exceeded The coronavirus epidemic has brought the infections around the world beyond the threshold of 80 thousand. This is what emerges from the real-time survey conducted by the American university Johns Hopkins , according to which the contagions ascertained so far are almost 80,300. Almost 78 thousand only in mainland China

02.05 pm - Second case in Brescia
A second case of coronavirus has been registered in Brescia : it is a 36-year-old gynecologist, who works at the hospital in Manerbio, in the province of Brescia , and is hospitalized at the Brescia Hospital . Her health is good and stable. The woman allegedly had contact with the first infected in Brescia, a 51-year-old from Pontevico, who had passed through the hospital of Manerbio, and who is still in solitary confinement.

13.29 - Sports events behind closed doors in 5 regions
Total stop at sports events and competitions in five regions of Northern Italy in the municipalities of the red zone affected by the coronavirus while in other municipalities they can take place but behind closed doors. This is provided by the implementing Dpcm issued to face the emergency. The provision concerns all the municipalities of the Regions of Emila Romagna, Friuli Venezia Giulia, Lombardy, Veneto and Piedmont. Instead, the holding of events and competitions and training sessions is allowed, inside sports facilities used behind closed doors, in municipalities other than those in the red zone.

1.23 pm - Iran, vice minister of health infection The Iranian vice minister of health, Iraj Harirchi, is among the dozens of people infected in Iran by the new coronavirus, where the number of victims has risen to 15 and 95 cases of infection. The Ilna agency specifies that Harirchi is in quarantine.

13.06 - First case in Croatia: a young man who passed through Italy
The first case of Covid-19 was confirmed in Croatia: it is a young man with non-serious symptoms, hospitalized in a hospital in Zagreb, who in the previous days had been in Milan, between 19 and 21 February.

13:03 - Two infections in Tyrol
In Austria, in the Tyrol region, there are two people infected with the Coronavirus. Governor Gunther Platter said so. These are two 24-year-olds, originally from Lombardy and residing in Innsbruck. The two Italians "are not life threatening," said Platter and currently have a fever.

12.43 pm - Fontana: «Little more than a normal influence»
The president of the Lombardy Region Attilio Fontana, who in his intervention in the Regional Council said: «It is certainly a difficult situation, but not so dangerous: the virus is very aggressive in diffusion but much less in the consequences. It is little more than a normal influence and this is what the technicians say ». In his speech Fontana thanked the heroic people "thanks to which our health system works".

12.57 - Positive woman in Trentino came from Codogno
A woman from Codogno (Lodi) on holiday in Trentino in the municipality of Dimaro Folgarida was found positive for Coronavirus on Monday evening. Now she is hospitalized in Lombardy. The woman had been on vacation since last Friday with her husband and son in a private apartment. The contacts with the outside - specified the president of the autonomous province of Trento, Maurizio Fugatti - "have been minimal".

12.43 - A case in Rimini, returning from abroad
New cases of Covid-19 bring the balance of the infected in Emilia-Romagna to 23. Among them, a 71 year old from Cattolica, hospitalized in Rimini, returned on the weekend from a trip to Romania . Two other new cases, both attributable to the Lombard outbreak, concern citizens of Parma. A third, a health worker from the Piacenza hospital. The two cases of Parma were detected in the university laboratory; one spent periods of stay in Codogno; is in solitary confinement; the other, who had had contact with the red area of ​​Lodigiano, is hospitalized in the Parma hospital, in the Infectious Diseases department.

12.29 - Infected in 20 provinces
There are 20 provinces that register coronavirus cases, according to the data of the Civil Protection. In detail, in Lombardy: Lodi (101 cases), Cremona (39), Pavia (17), Bergamo (14), Milan (3), Monza Brianza (2), Sondrio (1); in Veneto: Padua (30), Venice (7), Treviso (1); in Emilia Romagna: Piacenza (17), Parma (4), Modena (1), Rimini (1); in Piedmont: Turin (3); in Tuscany: Florence (1), Pistoia (1); in Trentino Alto Adige: Bolzano (1); in Sicily: Palermo (1); in Lazio, Rome (3). In Lombardy there are 35 positive cases in the hospitalization or isolation phase.

12.15 - The budget in Italy: 283 infected people
«283 people are infected, 7 dead and 1 recovered». So the Head of Civil Protection Angelo Borrelli, appointed Commissioner for the coronavirus emergency, at a press conference in Rome. There are 54 more cases than yesterday, said Borrelli. Overall «in Lombardy there are 212 infected with an increase of 40 cases; in Veneto 42 cases; in Emilia 23 cases with an increase of 5; in Piedmont 3; in Lazio 3 cases; in Tuscany 2 cases; and in Sicily 1 ".

12.07 - Banca Mediolanum, positive employee in Basiglio
An employee of Banca Mediolanum of the Basiglio office (Milan, the main office of the institution) has tested positive in Covid-19. The bank made it known in a statement in which it explains that the employee, residing in Zavattarello (Pavia), has been absent from the company since Friday 21 February and was contacted by the competent Ats of Pavia on the weekend, resulting in a positive assessment . It is still asymptomatic and is in home isolation.

12.03 - In Tuscany confirmed second case
One of the two positive Tuscan cases, confirmed by the head of civil protection, Angelo Borrelli, is a 49-year-old computer scientist from Pescia, who returned on Thursday evening from Codogno (Lombardy) where he stayed three days for work. The Region of Tuscany announced this, explaining that "since Friday he has voluntarily put himself into isolation on the advice of the family doctor and under the supervision of the local health authority". Yesterday morning he had a high fever and an ambulance took him to the hospital in Pistoia where he is in solitary confinement.

11.47 am - Hong Kong, schools closed until April 20
Schools in Hong Kong will remain closed until April 20 at least due to the global epidemic. This is the third postponement of the resumption of lessons, in the last month; the exact date may shift further.

11.34 am - Rail traffic between Lodi and Piacenza reactivated Rail traffic between Lodi and Piacenza
has resumed shortly after midnight, on the Milan-Bologna line, blocked from 13.30 on Monday for health checks in Casalpusterlengo station, in the "red zone" of the Coronavirus.

11.09 am - Positive Italian in Tenerife: one thousand in quarantine
In Tenerife, where an Italian doctor was tested positive on Monday, one thousand people are kept in quarantine in the H10 Costa Adejie Palace hotel (the same where the doctor was staying), in the town of Adejie. Military and law enforcement officers prevent entry and exit from the tourist complex. He is in good health and isolated in the Candelaria hospital in the capital of Tenerife. The two family members of the doctor who are with him have been tested.

10.40 am - The husband of the Bergamo tourist The husband of the Bergamo
tourist on holiday in Palermo who is hospitalized in the infectious diseases department of the Cervello Hospital was negative in the coronavirus test.

10.08 am - Self-isolation in Great Britain for those arriving from Northern Italy
As of today, Great Britain imposes "self-isolation" for 14 days as a precaution for all those arriving from northern Italy (north of Pisa, Florence and Rimini) and show "even slight" symptoms of a potential coronavirus infection. The Foreign Office's updated indications also provide for mandatory quarantine, even without symptoms of any kind, for the same period of time, for all those arriving from the countries of Lombardy and Veneto isolated on the decision of the Italian government.

10.00 - Positive Florentine entrepreneur
A suspected case of coronavirus registered in Florence was positive. It is a 60-year-old entrepreneur with business activities in the East who returned from Singapore last month. The man yesterday afternoon showed up at the Santa Maria Annunziata hospital and the procedures provided for by the protocol started. During the night the swab revealed the presence of the Covid -19 coronavirus. The patient was transferred to the infectious diseases department of the Ponte a Niccheri hospital in Bagno a Ripoli, just outside Florence.

8.06 am - Bergamo tourist in Palermo, positive
A tourist from Bergamo on holiday in Palermo - admitted to isolation in the Cervello hospital since Monday evening - tested positive for the coronavirus test: it is the first case ascertained in Southern Italy. A quarantine has been arranged for the group of friends of the woman - who, according to the President of the Region, Nello Musumeci, is "fully conscious" and "does not present particular conditions of malaise" - and for people who have been close contact with the group of 35 tourists who arrived in Palermo on Friday morning, 21 February. The group is in solitary confinement in the Mercure hotel downtown, awaiting the results of the swabs.
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feifeiduan
谢谢楼主,欧洲第一手资料
旗亭画壁
谢谢楼主,欧洲第一手资料
feifeiduan 发表于 2/25/2020 12:02:36 PM
旗亭画壁
Bless意大利,希望能够控制住
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puma4843
一带一路给意大利个下马威!
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Bystander007
谢谢楼主,总是提供很多言之有物的有用信息。
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meanGirl7
占个楼 放以后的更新
梅干茶泡饭 发表于 2/25/2020 11:57:38 AM

为什么我们要信你说的呢?你在欧洲?最近谣言太多。
手拿今天欧报纸,自拍一张,我们才信。
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echomom
已经定了暑假去欧洲的怎么办啊? 到时会好吗?
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littleid
原来楼主妹妹在欧洲,看了妹妹最近两个意大利帖子,学到了很多。 愿疫情早日结束
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monkey1969
对欧洲的担心,对美股打击很大。
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Ruth
已经定了暑假去欧洲的怎么办啊? 到时会好吗?
echomom 发表于 2/25/2020 12:07:02 PM

我定了9月去英国和爱尔兰,我准备五月份再最后决定,那之前取消损失不是很大。
梅干茶泡饭
已经定了暑假去欧洲的怎么办啊? 到时会好吗?
echomom 发表于 2/25/2020 12:07:02 PM


这个事情谁也不能预测
我个人是谨慎乐观的。我认为暑假7月是可以的。但是我这只是个毛估估。建议尽量选择free 取消的地方。
如果还没订我就不建议订了。

另外这个情况下我建议一定选择口碑好的正规hotel或者B&B. 选择前台24小时服务的。去Tripadvisor看看客人对于他们服务态度的review。

正规的地方会对游客负责,会提供给你医生信息,如果遇到突发事件会给你一些plan B的建议。
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purplebasil

为什么我们要信你说的呢?你在欧洲?最近谣言太多。
手拿今天欧报纸,自拍一张,我们才信。

meanGirl7 发表于 2/25/2020 12:06:25 PM

梅干菜是资深欧洲ID
股动
多谢楼主。请及时更新。 虽然1周前已经决定近期不去欧洲了。不过欧洲的信息对预测美国还是有有意义的。
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gelunbu
还想五月去的 唉
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isabel
谢谢楼主,bless意大利和欧洲很快好起来。 同事这个圣诞节去了意大利,跟我强烈安利,本来还打算下次度假就去意大利的,结果。。。。
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xiazheteng
德国北部怎么样呢?孩子暑假要去啊…
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meanGirl7

梅干菜是资深欧洲ID

purplebasil 发表于 2/25/2020 12:11:14 PM

我就是想骗一张楼主的玉照。。。
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huanongying
感谢楼主,希望意大利快点好起来,意大利是我最喜欢的欧洲国家。
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feifei_
每天看中文媒体信息感觉很乱,看来还是及时反应了,应该有信心的,感谢楼主!
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jhl19890714

为什么我们要信你说的呢?你在欧洲?最近谣言太多。
手拿今天欧报纸,自拍一张,我们才信。

meanGirl7 发表于 2/25/2020 12:06:25 PM


你可以不信,但是请不要用我们。
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Volans
旅行计划取消,幸亏还没订机票旅馆...
宣传委员
意大利人民继承了米兰大主教的光荣传统,果断的处置,不回避犯下的mistake,尊重科学,非常实事求是。一改广大人民心中懒散的形象。。。作为解剖学和现代医学的发源地,不给祖宗丢脸,意大利给欧洲做出了榜样。现在欧洲各国比赛似的比谁果断,谁积极,谁治疗的好。。 现在想想,意大力的堕落基因是不是从黑死病开始的。那种死人法,不如及时享乐。
十年一剑
感谢楼主分享
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Iamnoone
赞楼主。华人上因为有你这样的ID而温暖
好奇宝宝1314
唉,昨天新闻还说有几个中国人在巴黎举着“我不是病毒,求拥抱”的牌子,结果被中国本土人都骂惨了。
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mooncake
原来LZ在欧洲的呀。散落世界各地有见识有良心的华人,才是吃瓜群众最好的守望者。大家一定要继续互通消息,帮扶着走过这段艰难时光,能绕过的雷绝对不去踩。
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bububu
big big bless 意大利疫情控制,早日结束!
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monkey1969
奥地利、克罗地亚和瑞士都沦陷了。
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Pompom
希望尽快控制住,不要再蔓延了
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RedCrayon
老手traveler早已决定stay put到夏天,然后re-evaluate。来日方长,今年多爬不用飞就能到的山。
陆飞飞
原来LZ在欧洲的呀。散落世界各地有见识有良心的华人,才是吃瓜群众最好的守望者。大家一定要继续互通消息,帮扶着走过这段艰难时光,能绕过的雷绝对不去踩。
mooncake 发表于 2/25/2020 12:22:38 PM


手动点赞啊
梅干茶泡饭
奥地利、克罗地亚和瑞士都沦陷了。
monkey1969 发表于 2/25/2020 12:24:48 PM


其实很近 真的很近 。。。

其实现在最慌的就是前奥匈的老地盘 伦巴底 蒂罗尔 维尼托 克罗地亚。。。

伦巴底维尼托沦陷 因斯布鲁克沦陷就是时间问题

因斯布鲁克沦陷 现在还是滑雪季。。。 全欧散播不要太快。。。
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jingbeibei
回复 1楼梅干茶泡饭的帖子 可以分析下英国吗?欧洲好大
梅干茶泡饭
原来LZ在欧洲的呀。散落世界各地有见识有良心的华人,才是吃瓜群众最好的守望者。大家一定要继续互通消息,帮扶着走过这段艰难时光,能绕过的雷绝对不去踩。
mooncake 发表于 2/25/2020 12:22:38 PM

其实重心还是在美国 不过目前把回美plan都暂停了
黑袖套
赞LZ ! 信息及时又详细,读着还很有趣味,有水平!
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jennyl
谢谢楼主,比那些凭空臆想的实在多了
梅干茶泡饭
回复 1楼梅干茶泡饭的帖子

可以分析下英国吗?欧洲好大
jingbeibei 发表于 2/25/2020 12:33:09 PM


形势瞬息万变

我现在觉得英国不乐观

但是英国人好像的确不是非常易感,SARS的时候就是,不好说不好说

如果需要一定要来伦敦出差就来,现在还可以。但是如果就是想玩想放松,建议观望下。。。
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loci
這次義大利很奇怪,其他歐洲病例都是撤僑跟公主號回來的,就不知道義大利怎麼回事,七早八早停航又復航,不會是政府拿了錢造的孽吧
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mayyi
LZ的帖知识量信息量很大,印象深刻
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express77
我是来给楼主点赞👍🏻的
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CooCookie
订了4月初春假带老人和小孩一起去葡萄牙和西班牙南部,是不是也泡汤了?
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juliamarie
3月底要去马德里参加会议,还打算去巴塞罗那玩两天,现在这个情况,去这种学术会议是不是不安全了,毕竟好多国家的人都聚在一起
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express77
订了4月初春假带老人和小孩一起去葡萄牙和西班牙南部,是不是也泡汤了?
CooCookie 发表于 2/25/2020 12:39:29 PM

你这个够呛,只能寄希望欧洲一阵风地过去
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Summer_Breeze
谢谢梅干菜!我们需要这样真实的反馈。
梅干茶泡饭
订了4月初春假带老人和小孩一起去葡萄牙和西班牙南部,是不是也泡汤了?
CooCookie 发表于 2/25/2020 12:39:29 PM


我个人认为按照现在的力度,三月份可以控制。
另外私认为南欧热一些,不要紧。
这次爆发其实是泛阿尔卑斯山区。

不过这只是我谨慎乐观的观点。
你们可以自己考虑考虑。

现在判断还太早。我认为接下来的两周是关键。

旅店选择可以取消的。
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violetgirl
回复 1楼梅干茶泡饭的帖子 谢谢楼主信息。我们去年就定了4月初去意大利的机票,现在还没有取消,准备观望到3月中,但是估计是不会去了。我们订的air France机票美国飞罗马,机票理论上是不能取消和更改的。过一阵看看是否可以通融退credit。还定了一段意大利境内从罗马到西西里的飞机,是ryanair公司的,请问楼主,意大利境内飞机现在因为疫情可以退票吗?谢谢!
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doubt
想请问一下楼主,摩洛哥危险吗?老早定的三月摩洛哥行程,虽然似乎还没有啥病例,但是离欧洲那么近。。。
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eauclaire
回复 1楼梅干茶泡饭的帖子 谢谢楼主,总是提供很多言之有物的有用信息。 +1 多谢美眉!
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CooCookie
回复 47楼梅干茶泡饭的帖子 谢谢你,我再观望一下
梅干茶泡饭
3月底要去马德里参加会议,还打算去巴塞罗那玩两天,现在这个情况,去这种学术会议是不是不安全了,毕竟好多国家的人都聚在一起
juliamarie 发表于 2/25/2020 12:40:29 PM


我的朋友公司的到三月底的意大利出差全部取消了。人家都WFH,去了也没法好好谈事情。所以推迟。

目前去其他国家的还没有取消。在等消息。

反正要是取消你应该自己需要pay的不多吧?

谨慎乐观吧。可以继续观望。
【雁渡寒潭】
回复 1楼梅干茶泡饭的帖子

谢谢楼主信息。我们去年就定了4月初去意大利的机票,现在还没有取消,准备观望到3月中,但是估计是不会去了。我们订的air France机票美国飞罗马,机票理论上是不能取消和更改的。过一阵看看是否可以通融退credit。还定了一段意大利境内从罗马到西西里的飞机,是ryanair公司的,请问楼主,意大利境内飞机现在因为疫情可以退票吗?谢谢!
violetgirl 发表于 2/25/2020 12:43:41 PM

有几乎一样的行程。。。观望ing
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lingling7
去欧洲旅游的同学看看加纳利群岛上整个hotel被lockdown的新闻,不由得让我联想到钻石公主,但是应该没那么糟糕
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royalheart
原计划四月去,约了三月的签证,还好拖延症到现在都没订机票酒店,所以不打算去了,就是浪费了使馆预约有点可惜,现在观望五月或之后还能不能去其他国家,再改约别的使馆,主要是欧洲的架势是刚刚才开始的样子,有点不好说啊。。。 LZ说平时需要提前半年预约是指机票酒店么?我这重度拖延症一般提前一个月才会订
天天啊
我同事就在说要不自己去不带父母了……五月意大利 但是她说airbnb还是热门啊那些好的没人取消 房东还催她定
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juliamarie
回复 52楼梅干茶泡饭的帖子 我的行程都还没有订,刚看新闻西班牙也有4例了,还是取消好了。谢谢建议!
梅干茶泡饭
原计划四月去,约了三月的签证,还好拖延症到现在都没订机票酒店,所以不打算去了,就是浪费了使馆预约有点可惜,现在观望五月或之后还能不能去其他国家,再改约别的使馆,主要是欧洲的架势是刚刚才开始的样子,有点不好说啊。。。
LZ说平时需要提前半年预约是指机票酒店么?我这重度拖延症一般提前一个月才会订
royalheart 发表于 2/25/2020 12:52:26 PM

申根签证
比如热门又位置很少的西班牙啊 意大利啊 在美国很多地方都需要很早很早就去抢申根签证appointment slot的
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abby04
定的三月底去法国的,楼主这么一说也确实犹豫了...
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nicoco
意大利是挺严重的,感染人数在增多。欧洲其它国家目前还没什么问题,就像LZ说的假期后感染的人数不得而知。法国政府这周开始,征用所有法国生产的口罩提供给法国医院,网上药房所剩寥寥无几的口罩,价位高的离谱,从泰国飞过来的飞机根本没人检测,排华现象已初见端倪!
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lica


其实很近 真的很近 。。。

其实现在最慌的就是前奥匈的老地盘 伦巴底 蒂罗尔 维尼托 克罗地亚。。。

伦巴底维尼托沦陷 因斯布鲁克沦陷就是时间问题

因斯布鲁克沦陷 现在还是滑雪季。。。 全欧散播不要太快。。。

梅干茶泡饭 发表于 2/25/2020 12:32:09 PM


没错,今天确诊的两例就是住因斯布鲁克的伦巴底人。然后中部林茨有一例疑似,是威尼斯的旅行团回来的,现在所有团员被要求在家隔离。
一定要来玩的请自带口罩,这里是买不到的。。。
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thinredline

申根签证
比如热门又位置很少的西班牙啊 意大利啊 在美国很多地方都需要很早很早就去抢申根签证appointment slot的

梅干茶泡饭 发表于 2/25/2020 12:55:40 PM


不是美国护照90天内不需要签证吗?
计划了好久的意大利之旅就这样夭折了
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okeanos
要是意大利认真封城,那还是乐观的,各国可以慢慢去存量。 但,今晚欧冠一万尤文球迷来里昂,西班牙球迷去那不勒斯,怎么整。。。。
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MochaLatte
多谢楼主!本来想去英国和法国,看来要像时而动了。希望大家都平平安安的
梅干茶泡饭


不是美国护照90天内不需要签证吗?
计划了好久的意大利之旅就这样夭折了

thinredline 发表于 2/25/2020 1:03:28 PM

我当然说的是中国护照。。。。
梅干茶泡饭

要是意大利认真封城,那还是乐观的,各国可以慢慢去存量。

但,今晚欧冠一万尤文球迷来里昂,西班牙球迷去那不勒斯,怎么整。。。。

okeanos 发表于 2/25/2020 1:05:03 PM

orz
。。。。。。。。。。
完了完了。。。。。。。
。。。。。

一号病人的好哥们,和他一起马拉松的那个,不就是都灵人么。。。肯定和他一样社交积极。。。踢个球啊。。。跑个步啊。。。。
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RedCrayon
一个地方爆出病例之前都是没病例的。
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bjandas
已经322例10死了。今天出来很多南部的例子。感染的多了医疗资源被挤兑,到时候一旦被传染上就医都费劲。
梅干茶泡饭


没错,今天确诊的两例就是住因斯布鲁克的伦巴底人。然后中部林茨有一例疑似,是威尼斯的旅行团回来的,现在所有团员被要求在家隔离。
一定要来玩的请自带口罩,这里是买不到的。。。

lica 发表于 2/25/2020 1:00:22 PM


去威尼斯狂欢节么?

实话说我感觉病毒好像并没有进入威尼斯。。。

要不应该早就爆发了吧。。。

哎 = =

还好还好现在采取措施。如果再晚一点,奥地利失守,东欧就完了。东欧可是没奥地利意大利这么好的条件。。。。
梅干茶泡饭
已经322例10死了。今天出来很多南部的例子。感染的多了医疗资源被挤兑,到时候一旦被传染上就医都费劲。
bjandas 发表于 2/25/2020 1:14:15 PM


这个病真的一个患者消耗的资源特别特别大 我看武汉的采访 重症一个病人配六个护士 护士们才能忙得过来不会累死 可想而知之前人手不够的时候护士们压力多大!

意大利医疗资源总的来说比较丰富 但是分配不均衡 不知道下一步会发展到什么情况
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bjandas


去威尼斯狂欢节么?

实话说我感觉病毒好像并没有进入威尼斯。。。

要不应该早就爆发了吧。。。

哎 = =

还好还好现在采取措施。如果再晚一点,奥地利失守,东欧就完了。东欧可是没奥地利意大利这么好的条件。。。。

梅干茶泡饭 发表于 2/25/2020 1:15:09 PM

前两天看到的报道是威尼斯有两例确诊的。我定的春假意大利旅游是全废了,😭
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rainyvivianlee
刚知道梅干菜mm是欧洲的 去年欧洲旅行得到了很多帮助 谢谢
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lingling7


去威尼斯狂欢节么?

实话说我感觉病毒好像并没有进入威尼斯。。。

要不应该早就爆发了吧。。。

哎 = =

还好还好现在采取措施。如果再晚一点,奥地利失守,东欧就完了。东欧可是没奥地利意大利这么好的条件。。。。

梅干茶泡饭 发表于 2/25/2020 1:15:09 PM

Romania has first case, a man returned from Italy
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royalheart
回复 52楼梅干茶泡饭的帖子

我的行程都还没有订,刚看新闻西班牙也有4例了,还是取消好了。谢谢建议!
juliamarie 发表于 2/25/2020 12:54:01 PM


额完蛋,以西班牙一贯不怎么靠谱的天性,爆发后肯定都做不到意大利这样,肯定是捂不住的
昨天还在想,如果把意大利看成湖北的话,欧洲爆发是必然的
把亚洲看成湖北,世界也迟早药丸
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rcoblesfayer
谢谢楼主的暖心提醒,自己和家人也要多保重啊。
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额完蛋,以西班牙一贯不怎么靠谱的天性,爆发后肯定都做不到意大利这样,肯定是捂不住的
昨天还在想,如果把意大利看成湖北的话,欧洲爆发是必然的
把亚洲看成湖北,世界也迟早药丸

royalheart 发表于 2/25/2020 1:24:06 PM

西班牙其实现在医疗搞得不错 靠这个吸引老头老太来这边退休。。。。

谨慎乐观。。。
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militear
虽然最近没有欧洲游计划,但感谢楼主的信息分享。楼主总是有很全面的对欧洲的信息分享,我每次都认真看。以前在欧洲住过,对楼主的信息很喜欢,谢谢!
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rosemary
WHO 和联合国还不发出警告,别让各国的人世界各地大乱窜了。现在所有国家都应该关闭国界
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hfx11
谢谢楼主。我们是打算暑假去东欧,不知道会怎么样了。 我德国的朋友昨天说德国一火车500人从威尼斯回德,没有任何检查就散了。他们也担心的不得了
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四月初定了西班牙,能去不
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showmm
Thanks so much!
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ppwar
Thanks !
蔺晨
感谢楼主信息分享, thanks again.
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Theash
感谢楼主,分析有理有据,条理清晰,lz和家人注意安全防护,大家都平安
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carryon
谢谢lz的信息。。定了四月底的西班牙和五月底的英国。。现在还在观望中是否要cancel。。
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UTGG
谢谢楼主,欧洲第一手资料
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ilovevancouver
谢谢楼主第一手资料。伦敦行程目前仍然在观望,抱着一颗❤,两手准备的宗旨,不去就宅家。
钱不够花
谢谢lz分享。本来打算5月去欧洲,现在看还是算了吧,家里最安全
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susui
谢谢楼主,欧洲第一手资料
南极科考队

为什么我们要信你说的呢?你在欧洲?最近谣言太多。
手拿今天欧报纸,自拍一张,我们才信。

meanGirl7 发表于 2/25/2020 12:06:25 PM

楼主好心发帖,有这义务吗。不信可以不看
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dugudugu
很好的建议。希望欧洲挺住。英国所有学校几乎每周一个update,最新的是要求去意大利北边,韩国,伊朗,中国湖北省(注意不是全中国)旅行的回来要隔离14天。
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fadeintoyou
欧洲比美国重视 但人口太密集了 Cluster infection 风险很高
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echomom
定了春假去英国的,票不能退咋办?
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wyest
好帖 虽然没打算去欧洲,但暑假还是想带娃去哪玩玩的,不会哪里都去不了吧…
根深叶茂1288
谢lz分享信息!
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ggbreeze
这时候去不怕被歧视吗?野蛮都是在骨子里的
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glcm
23号刚刚从欧洲回来,好像去了个假欧洲。娃冬假去了欧洲,飞Amsterdam,坐火车去的慕尼黑,飞去的Lisbon,路上没有被欧洲人歧视,我们坐的带隔间的一等仓,遇到去Frankfurt的银行高管,开心的和我们聊天。去fussen的时候火车上有中国人,他们用中文喊,这里有中国人我们不能坐这里。 不过Amsterdam和慕尼黑药房都有中文写的条子“口罩售光” 不过这个星期的确是德国的春假,大家都在滑雪
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伦敦还能去么下面两周