[url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/coronavirus-diamond-princess-cruise-americans/2020/02/20/b6f54cae-5279-11ea-b119-4faabac6674f_story.html]https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/coronavirus-diamond-princess-cruise-americans/2020/02/20/b6f54cae-5279-11ea-b119-4faabac6674f_story.html[/url] CDC不让14个感染病人上飞机 说他们虽然没症状 但是还是可以传播病毒 但是State Department and a top Trump Administration health official坚持让他们飞回来了 CDC was so unhappy and asked to be left out of the press release
In Washington, where it was still Sunday afternoon, a fierce debate broke out: The State Department and a top Trump administration health official wanted to forge ahead. The infected passengers[url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/07/biggest-questions-about-new-coronavirus-what-we-know-so-far/?tid=lk_inline_manual_6&itid=lk_inline_manual_6]had no symptoms[/url]and could be segregated on the plane in a plastic-lined enclosure. But officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention disagreed, contending they could still spread the[url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/19/how-coronavirus-kills/?tid=lk_inline_manual_6&itid=lk_inline_manual_6]virus[/url]. The CDC believed the 14 should not be flown back with uninfected passengers.
In Washington, where it was still Sunday afternoon, a fierce debate broke out: The State Department and a top Trump administration health official wanted to forge ahead. The infected passengers[url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/07/biggest-questions-about-new-coronavirus-what-we-know-so-far/?tid=lk_inline_manual_6&itid=lk_inline_manual_6]had no symptoms[/url]and could be segregated on the plane in a plastic-lined enclosure. But officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention disagreed, contending they could still spread the[url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/19/how-coronavirus-kills/?tid=lk_inline_manual_6&itid=lk_inline_manual_6]virus[/url]. The CDC believed the 14 should not be flown back with uninfected passengers.
At least 22 more people evacuated from the Diamond Princess cruise ship in Japan to two U.S. air bases have either tested positive or shown symptoms of the coronavirus, including 16 who arrived at Travis Air Force Base but have now been transported to local hospitals, a spokesman for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention told The Chronicle. At least six passengers who arrived at Lackland Air Force Base near San Antonio have also been taken to hospitals for further testing, the spokesman, Scott Pauley, said. These are in addition to 14 passengers who authorities discovered had tested positive while they were on buses that took them from the cruise ship to the plane. The 14 were allowed to board the government-chartered cargo planes, but were kept in a plastic isolation chamber on board. Afterward, they were transported to a hospital in Omaha, Neb., not to the bases. The additional 22 or more passengers traveled in the main cabins along with [url=https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/networth/article/Quarantined-in-the-U-S-No-booze-no-movies-no-15068558.php]more than 300 others evacuated from the ship,[/url] during the flights to Travis and Lackland. A total of 338 Americans were transported from the cruise ship, where they had been quarantined since Feb. 4 because of an outbreak of coronavirus, to the two air bases. They arrived late Sunday or early Monday to begin another 14-day quarantine. 到底多少？CDC没对公众公布
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We are talking about the decision made at that time, not what we know now. It has implications in future practice.
I am not against bringing infected Americans back, but there should be consistency. If the Americans in Wuhan could not go back due to symptoms, these 14 people should not be allowed to board the plane either, even they might be asymptomatic.
We are talking about the decision made at that time, not what we know now. It has implications in future practice. I am not against bringing infected Americans back, but there should be consistency. If the Americans in Wuhan could not go back due to symptoms, these 14 people should not be allowed to board the plane either, even they might be asymptomatic. Ruigwl 发表于 2/21/2020 2:19:00 PM [url=https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=82855544&postid=82855544#82855544][img][/img][/url]
We are talking about the decision made at that time, not what we know now. It has implications in future practice.
I am not against bringing infected Americans back, but there should be consistency. If the Americans in Wuhan could not go back due to symptoms, these 14 people should not be allowed to board the plane either, even they might be asymptomatic.
你说搞gene editing那个？
CDC到现在屁事不做，还不管在海外被感染的美国人！不说职业素颜，就问还有人性吗？
是啊，难道要像乌克兰，堵撤侨回来的bus, 往撤侨回来的bus扔石头。。bus里的可都是乌克兰人，而且不是病人（至少绝大部分不是）呢。。。真算得上shithole国家
做好隔离，完全可以一趟飞机回美国的。在邮轮上多待一天就离死亡更近一天。那可是已经确诊被感染的人。
日本现在连这艘游轮上的人都处理不好。
CDC的人竟然不知道在飞机上如何做隔离？
做好隔离为什么不愿意？这些是人命，就为了免除自己心里的膈应紧张？
CDC这种官僚机构最恨的就是Trump这种no nonsense。Trump命令断航就很让CDC丢面子了。 没准CDC领导层还有几个Obama holdover。 他们这种明里暗里敌对的态度很说明问题。 Trump应该把CDC top leader 换掉。
你眼瞎还是不识字？
这个不是普通飞机，而是有为埃博拉设计的隔离舱的飞机。
华人上一直都说的是从疫区来的做好14天的隔离，而不是不让他们回美上班上学，你少在这睁眼说瞎话。
Cdc认为这样的隔离不能确保健康人不被感染。
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然后川粉争先恐后去吃川普头上的屎
有隔离仓隔离仓，为啥都选择性无视？
话说这隔离箱非常有神盾特工局Shield 范儿呀~ 美国还是科技领先的
同机回来坐主仓的已经检测有22个positive了，还盯着这14个隔离的，有意义吗
武汉撤侨不是确诊案例，是滞留武汉侨民。TG封城，撤是应该的。然后是派专机去接。不是混在普通客机里。检测/隔离都是CDC的事。
这次是确诊案例。而且那艘邮轮上，在被日本人隔离的时候，检测出确诊的，都就地隔离了。一共６０多美国人，就已经在日本隔离（有美国方面协助）。而且他们还上了禁飞名单。
但是日本解除整船隔离（这个隔离操作现在被很多人批评），放人之后的跟踪，又有这１４个美国人，确诊。他们已经打算回国。所以state dept 跟 CDC才吵，因为CDC不同意让他们跟普通乘客一起回来（虽然有隔离舱）。飞机是比邮轮更密闭的环境，CDC 这种是极其谨慎小心了。（个人认为不必要）。
不过这些客观事实对川粉都不重要。总之CDC 要么就是做多错多，要么就是什么都不做有意隐瞒，大统领永远正确。好事都是大统领英明神武，不好就是坏人故意 （CDC， deep state, whatever, 虽然CDC隶属DHHS， DHHS直接汇报大统领）。
CDC 自始至终和Trump作对。 当时武汉撤侨飞机CDC一开始就是想在民用机场Ontario CA 降落后测个体温就放人的。最后时刻才改成用军用机场隔离。 从毫不重视到极端谨慎， 这CDC还挺能装的。
有消息来源吗？另外22个阳性?
这隔离舱外一堆没测过的（对，CDC终极法宝，没测过就自动等于没事哈哈哈）；westerdam游轮上六百多个完全没测过就直接放回家的；每周乌泱泱坐中国航空公司飞进来根本无人隔离的；制定最严格的guideline让所有可能疑似的打死都测不成的。。贴错label阳性变阴性，刚信心满满发给全美和全球lab的kit就发现有flaw，如何解决到现在都没个下文的。。将来不爆发community spread都对不起CDC这一波波拼了命的骚操作，tm还有脸盯着这十几个在隔离仓里的说事？
前面又个人说的很对，但是川粉无视，埃博拉跟这个病毒传播途径根本不一样，反正这些人不用跟病人同坐飞机。要轮到他们谁敢上？
[url=https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/amp/Coronavirus-22-more-cruise-evacuees-sent-to-15072010.php]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/amp/Coronavirus-22-more-cruise-evacuees-sent-to-15072010.php[/url]
At least 22 more people evacuated from the Diamond Princess cruise ship in Japan to two U.S. air bases have either tested positive or shown symptoms of the coronavirus, including 16 who arrived at Travis Air Force Base but have now been transported to local hospitals, a spokesman for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention told The Chronicle. At least six passengers who arrived at Lackland Air Force Base near San Antonio have also been taken to hospitals for further testing, the spokesman, Scott Pauley, said. These are in addition to 14 passengers who authorities discovered had tested positive while they were on buses that took them from the cruise ship to the plane. The 14 were allowed to board the government-chartered cargo planes, but were kept in a plastic isolation chamber on board. Afterward, they were transported to a hospital in Omaha, Neb., not to the bases. The additional 22 or more passengers traveled in the main cabins along with [url=https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/networth/article/Quarantined-in-the-U-S-No-booze-no-movies-no-15068558.php]more than 300 others evacuated from the ship,[/url] during the flights to Travis and Lackland. A total of 338 Americans were transported from the cruise ship, where they had been quarantined since Feb. 4 because of an outbreak of coronavirus, to the two air bases. They arrived late Sunday or early Monday to begin another 14-day quarantine. 到底多少？CDC没对公众公布
你真信这个隔离仓是只为了隔绝埃博拉而设计的？
埃博拉是体液传播，不是空气传播。如果真的只是用在埃博拉患者身上的，何必要这么一个密封的隔离仓？
而且，这次是冠肺，如果这个隔离仓不管用，那CDC还把这个隔离仓塞进飞机干嘛？是CDC他们脑子进水了，还是为了给飞机配重啊？
我并不喜欢床铺，不，可以说很讨厌他，但是，他的政策和决定我还是大多数都支持的，包括这个。（我不支持也有不少，比如抛弃库尔德从叙利亚撤兵，那真的很愚蠢。）
单说防生化帐篷，如果美国都不靠谱就没有靠谱的了。 这14个人都在那巴斯克当年治疗埃博拉的中心， 这已经是最高级别了。
现在用的很多隔离产品都是当年为埃博拉设计的 包括机器人隔离病房 隔离仓式的移动担架
赞一下捏着鼻子选大统领的保守派
至少比无底线崇拜的川粉高明很多
不过，如果你看原始新闻报道就会发现
其实这个吵架是state dept 与CDC 吵得
大统领除了出现在标题里，其实没啥干系
不过只要提到大统领，就足以令某些川粉鸡血一样上来护主。只要大统领做的，都是对的。别的通通是坏人。
We are talking about the decision made at that time, not what we know now. It has implications in future practice.
I am not against bringing infected Americans back, but there should be consistency. If the Americans in Wuhan could not go back due to symptoms, these 14 people should not be allowed to board the plane either, even they might be asymptomatic.
体液传播才需要密闭呢。想想呕吐，腹泻产生的废弃物。
因为埃博拉而设计的隔离产品，和专为埃博拉设计的隔离产品，两个概念。再说了，管他为了什么狗屁理由而设计的，归根到底一句话：这个隔离仓，对预防冠肺传染有没有效？
没效？那CDC把这些玩意儿塞进飞机干嘛？ 脑子进水了？
有效？ 那CDC叫个屁啊？！
怎么说这次CDC的决定都没道理。
----回另一个朋友：我是不管是政府还是床铺，反正这个决定我觉得是正确的，反而CDC是在胡搅蛮缠。
目前就是说原来给埃博拉设计的，你第二个假设，我也可以说如果管用，cdc不会不同意。我从来对事不对人，一直在骂cdc。可惜有些人不会就事论事。
re。 怎么做都是错。
但是美国人被接回美国有什么问题吗？ 因为病了，或者可能会病， 就抛弃不要了？ 主要是看回到美国后怎么处理这14个人， 是否有效隔离才是最重要的。
CDC的头，HHS的头都是TRUMP提名上来的。倒是Dr.FAUCI是老人了。
还有护士因为照顾埃博拉病人都发烧出现症状了，她很负责也很警觉，坐飞机前特意给CDC打电话，CDC说烧得不严重，放心飞吧！后来护士确诊，所幸埃博拉是体液传播，她在飞机上没有发病（呕吐出血），不然那一飞机的人都完了。
那个很可能是为了途中出现症状的旅客准备的。应该能减少传播风险。有效无效，不等于all or zero。
信微信得永生..........
怎么测出来的？我以为CDC还在改试剂盒呢？
呃。。。你的回复中的关键词我给你标出来了。 哈哈。
开个玩笑。
认真的说，如果CDC真的象他们这次表现出来的那么小心谨慎，那怎么又会把只能“减少传播风险”的设备塞进飞机？还不如多准备几套防化服给每个乘客一套的呢。
从尊重他们的专业知识角度来说，派了这个设备，那就表示这个设备是有效的，对吧？
毕竟是估计，所以不能绝对化。😄
有几个是离开日本前日本取了样，结果回来才知道。
Re. CDC这个表现，让我们很失望。
14个都没症状，到了机场才知道检测结果。另外这次不是带了隔离设备吗？情况都不一样了。