[url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/coronavirus-diamond-princess-cruise-americans/2020/02/20/b6f54cae-5279-11ea-b119-4faabac6674f_story.html]https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/coronavirus-diamond-princess-cruise-americans/2020/02/20/b6f54cae-5279-11ea-b119-4faabac6674f_story.html[/url] CDC不让14个感染病人上飞机 说他们虽然没症状 但是还是可以传播病毒 但是State Department and a top Trump Administration health official坚持让他们飞回来了 CDC was so unhappy and asked to be left out of the press release
We are talking about the decision made at that time, not what we know now. It has implications in future practice.
I am not against bringing infected Americans back, but there should be consistency. If the Americans in Wuhan could not go back due to symptoms, these 14 people should not be allowed to board the plane either, even they might be asymptomatic.
[url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/coronavirus-diamond-princess-cruise-americans/2020/02/20/b6f54cae-5279-11ea-b119-4faabac6674f_story.html]https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/coronavirus-diamond-princess-cruise-americans/2020/02/20/b6f54cae-5279-11ea-b119-4faabac6674f_story.html[/url] CDC不让14个感染病人上飞机 说他们虽然没症状 但是还是可以传播病毒 但是State Department and a top Trump Administration health official坚持让他们飞回来了 CDC was so unhappy and asked to be left out of the press release
In Washington, where it was still Sunday afternoon, a fierce debate broke out: The State Department and a top Trump administration health official wanted to forge ahead. The infected passengershad no symptomsand could be segregated on the plane in a plastic-lined enclosure. But officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention disagreed, contending they could still spread thevirus. The CDC believed the 14 should not be flown back with uninfected passengers.
In Washington, where it was still Sunday afternoon, a fierce debate broke out: The State Department and a top Trump administration health official wanted to forge ahead. The infected passengershad no symptomsand could be segregated on the plane in a plastic-lined enclosure. But officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention disagreed, contending they could still spread thevirus. The CDC believed the 14 should not be flown back with uninfected passengers.
In Washington, where it was still Sunday afternoon, a fierce debate broke out: The State Department and a top Trump administration health official wanted to forge ahead. The infected passengershad no symptomsand could be segregated on the plane in a plastic-lined enclosure. But officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention disagreed, contending they could still spread thevirus. The CDC believed the 14 should not be flown back with uninfected passengers.
Eleven evacuees from the Diamond Princess cruise ship flown out by the United States have tested positive for the novel coronavirus. In total, 13 of the US evacuees were taken to the University of Nebraska Medical Center earlier this week for testing, according to a news release from the UNMC. All but two tested positive, the release said. Eleven evacuees from Diamond Princess test positive for coronavirus in US The 13 evacuees were transported from the Diamond Princess cruise ship in Japan to the US on February 17 on two separate flights. Ten of the evacuees taken to UNMC are in a quarantine unit, while three others are in the Nebraska Biocontainment unit, according to the release..
But unhappy CDC officials demanded to be left out of the news release that explained that infected people were being flown back to the United States — a move that would nearly double the number of known coronavirus cases in this country.
But unhappy CDC officials demanded to be left out of the news release that explained that infected people were being flown back to the United States — a move that would nearly double the number of known coronavirus cases in this country.
这件事情上支持cdc. 不明白了，这里对中国非疫区回来，在家隔离的人都害怕的不行，恨不得禁止他们的孩子上学，配偶上班。到这件事上就就觉得和14个确诊患者一个飞机十个小时没关系？就是川普做的对了？ 况且这真的是总统决定的吗？事发突然，也许就是 state department 事急从权，也许就是前面说的看见已经打包准备回家的同胞一时于心不忍。从医学和流行病控制角度，这么做肯定不对啊。
In Washington, where it was still Sunday afternoon, a fierce debate broke out: The State Department and a top Trump administration health official wanted to forge ahead. The infected passengershad no symptomsand could be segregated on the plane in a plastic-lined enclosure. But officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention disagreed, contending they could still spread thevirus. The CDC believed the 14 should not be flown back with uninfected passengers.
In Washington, where it was still Sunday afternoon, a fierce debate broke out: The State Department and a top Trump administration health official wanted to forge ahead. The infected passengershad no symptomsand could be segregated on the plane in a plastic-lined enclosure. But officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention disagreed, contending they could still spread thevirus. The CDC believed the 14 should not be flown back with uninfected passengers.
川粉才叫撒谎不眨眼。这篇属于health news 部分，就是就事论事的报道这个病毒目前大家最关心的，邮轮传播，应该如何隔离。既没有批评state department 也没批评CDC 只是把事实列出来，让读者get information. 报道批评的只是日本邮轮说明，邮轮绝对不是隔离病例的好地方。需要大家从中学到教训。（CDC正是这么做的）。
另外忙着跪拜大统领的，最好稍安勿躁。这个吵架，是state department 跟 CDC吵的。CDC认为state department 不够认真看待CDC 的建议，state department 认为这些人已经开始回家流程，不能中止。所以万一传染啥的，川粉还可以骂是deep state 陷害大统领，LOL
The State Department made the call. The 14 people were already in the evacuation pipeline and protocol dictated they be brought home, said William Walters, director of operational medicine for the State Department. As the State Department drafted its news release, the CDC’s top officials insisted that any mention of the agency be removed. “CDC did weigh in on this and explicitly recommended against it,” Schuchat wrote on behalf of the officials, according to an HHS official who saw the email and shared the language. “We should not be mentioned as having been consulted as it begs the question of what was our advice.” She wrote that the infected passengers could pose “an increased risk to the other passengers.”
川粉才叫撒谎不眨眼。这篇属于health news 部分，就是就事论事的报道这个病毒目前大家最关心的，邮轮传播，应该如何隔离。既没有批评state department 也没批评CDC 只是把事实列出来，让读者get information. 报道批评的只是日本邮轮说明，邮轮绝对不是隔离病例的好地方。需要大家从中学到教训。（CDC正是这么做的）。
另外忙着跪拜大统领的，最好稍安勿躁。这个吵架，是state department 跟 CDC吵的。CDC认为state department 不够认真看待CDC 的建议，state department 认为这些人已经开始回家流程，不能中止。所以万一传染啥的，川粉还可以骂是deep state 陷害大统领，LOL
The State Department made the call. The 14 people were already in the evacuation pipeline and protocol dictated they be brought home, said William Walters, director of operational medicine for the State Department. As the State Department drafted its news release, the CDC’s top officials insisted that any mention of the agency be removed. “CDC did weigh in on this and explicitly recommended against it,” Schuchat wrote on behalf of the officials, according to an HHS official who saw the email and shared the language. “We should not be mentioned as having been consulted as it begs the question of what was our advice.” She wrote that the infected passengers could pose “an increased risk to the other passengers.”
luming 发表于 2/20/2020 10:23:34 PM
一开始标题就应该写state department 这样很多川粉就不会来唱反调了，这是惹不起的一群人
In Washington, where it was still Sunday afternoon, a fierce debate broke out: The State Department and a top Trump administration health official wanted to forge ahead. The infected passengershad no symptomsand could be segregated on the plane in a plastic-lined enclosure. But officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention disagreed, contending they could still spread thevirus. The CDC believed the 14 should not be flown back with uninfected passengers.
CDC不让14个感染病人上飞机
说他们虽然没症状 但是还是可以传播病毒
但是State Department and a top Trump Administration health official坚持让他们飞回来了
CDC was so unhappy and asked to be left out of the press release
🔥 最新回帖
14个都没症状，到了机场才知道检测结果。另外这次不是带了隔离设备吗？情况都不一样了。
Re. CDC这个表现，让我们很失望。
有几个是离开日本前日本取了样，结果回来才知道。
毕竟是估计，所以不能绝对化。😄
🛋️ 沙发板凳
没问题啊。美国人不让他回来，还能去哪儿啊？
[url=https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-japan-cruise-passengers-isolated-plane-2020-2]https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-japan-cruise-passengers-isolated-plane-2020-2[/url]
[url=https://www.wsj.com/articles/fourteen-americans-headed-home-from-coronavirus-cruise-ship-test-positive-11581931972]https://www.wsj.com/articles/fourteen-americans-headed-home-from-coronavirus-cruise-ship-test-positive-11581931972[/url]
14 Americans who got the coronavirus from the quarantined cruise ship in Japan were flown home in an 'isolation box' at the back of the plane
感觉很靠谱啊。。。
还是飞回来对，毕竟都是公民
你们村厉害
日本现在也有几十例美国公民，已经确诊的就没回来。Cdc 希望这14个人留下也没错。
而且美国留了军医照顾留在日本的患病公民，never leave anyone behind.
当然了，中国不让美国留军医在武汉。
这个版的川粉是看不懂英文的吗？CDC认为不应该把确诊的人和未感染的人放一个飞机里飞回来，这有什么错？！为了无脑跪舔川普，这个时候不怕这一飞机本来没感染的人回来感染你们啦？
In Washington, where it was still Sunday afternoon, a fierce debate broke out: The State Department and a top Trump administration health official wanted to forge ahead. The infected passengershad no symptomsand could be segregated on the plane in a plastic-lined enclosure. But officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention disagreed, contending they could still spread thevirus. The CDC believed the 14 should not be flown back with uninfected passengers.
其他早一天诊断的游轮上的美国人都留在日本了。
美国政府雇员不是选出的，不对党派负责，你说的cdc 由民主党把持有任何依据？从常识说，我也对cdc不满意，但是把cdc的任何问题都推到民主党身上也是太partisanship. 我们要做的，是设法起到直接或间接的监督作用。另外，迄今华人上没有一个专业人士出现提供教育或普及有关方面的知识。
cdc想搞回来我们的工作又要增加了
有病也不是病了。可以献演川剧变脸，不要道具
是的，支持的人，自己愿意和这14个人一起坐飞机吗？
川普这是多傻，节约这点钱，感染更多人，花的钱更多。
这十四个人包都打好了，要他们再回邮轮上去太打击人，搞个什么事情出来的话代价太大。
而且飞机上本来就有隔离仓，算算能装得下就装回来了。
CDC不愿意感染人数加倍，希望把人扔在日本
CDC明明是说，这14个人不应该跟没病的人一起飞回来。
另外从这篇报道里面也可以知道，CDC并非像华人大妈喷的那样佛系不干活。
晕死 扔日本他们就不是CDC的职责范围了？
不好比 都是既蠢又坏的sb
华人大妈这次疫情来了表现真的有失水准，一天到晚盯国内，就算有病了测不了也不着急。因为目前自己没得。都等着火烧到自己哪天
有些人脑子里没有是非黑白，只有个人崇拜。
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这个版上的川粉双标到无以复加了，简直好笑又荒谬
本来她们在大骂CDC 不够重视，故意放松，甚至还有阴谋论怀疑CDC-》民主党-》故意让疫情加重这种荒谬想法。任何有基本常识的都知道这简直荒谬透顶。
现在CDC 在运送确诊案例回家上，想更加谨慎（个人看来过于谨慎）避免万一的传播给乘客，引起不必要的扩散，那些原来大骂CDC不够小心的，故意散播疫情的，现在一秒钟转180度，理直气壮大骂CDC多事。总之，CDC做什么就是脑残，不做什么就是故意不作为；大统领做什么就是英明，不做什么就是运筹帷幄。这种拍MP 的精神，倒真是TG 教育出来的。
另外实际上这14个人如果早四小时测出Positive, 那就会和余下的61个美国公民一起，仍然在日本隔离，因为他们目前在国务部/CDC的no fly list 上。CDC是非常谨慎小心的态度。
美国派了军医留驻日本帮助美籍患者。
其实华盛顿邮报这篇报道，恰恰是批评CDC为主的，可能你英语太差看不懂（黄皮川黑共谍文化水平堪忧）。
第一点是，14个人都是无症状阳性，回来时有专业隔离舱模块。而最后拉到美国重新测，只测出11个阳性。
如果听CDC、听日本的报告，不说那11个，3个原来没事的美国公民就被抛弃了，还有感染的可能性。
第二点是，华盛顿邮报指出，真正应该担心的是Westerdam。
Diamond Princess上的人，现在都在军事基地隔离。但Westerdam没人管，已经跑到了世界各地，现在只能听天由命。
1. 他们只是认为就算回来，也应该另外派专机---因为这些人已经确诊，只不过确诊是在离开邮轮以后。所以在飞行上要加倍小心，毕竟飞机是比邮轮还封闭的空间。
2.在邮轮上已经确诊的美国人，~61 位，就是留着日本隔离，因为认为他们飞行可能造成不必要扩散。有美国方面协同治疗/隔离。
估计是这样。
我一直是骂cdc，cdc反对将确诊的人与普通人一起飞回来，但这点怎么辩都没错。
不懂就问系列，大家来看看这个，是属于蠢的还是坏的？这是脑子里进屎了吧
这一飞机除了这14个还有好些当时没检测过， 后来测出来有的。CDC拿这14个做文章就是脱了裤子放屁。
川粉真是只有屁股问题，只要是敌人批评的，就是我们需要赞美的？
CDC既然被左报批评了过度小心，不是正好说明CDC在干活么？
媒体的opinion与我们何干？我们关心的是事实，然后加上自己的判断。
这跟啥洗脑粉一样。
其他人好多都没检测过，里面肯定有positive的……
不管国内国外有独立思考的人上网太少
确诊的美国人都在日本没带回来，准确的说，这14个当时没有确诊，报告还没出来，只能算疑似
The infected passengers说他们已经感染
川粉才叫撒谎不眨眼。这篇属于health news 部分，就是就事论事的报道这个病毒目前大家最关心的，邮轮传播，应该如何隔离。既没有批评state department 也没批评CDC 只是把事实列出来，让读者get information. 报道批评的只是日本邮轮说明，邮轮绝对不是隔离病例的好地方。需要大家从中学到教训。（CDC正是这么做的）。
另外忙着跪拜大统领的，最好稍安勿躁。这个吵架，是state department 跟 CDC吵的。CDC认为state department 不够认真看待CDC 的建议，state department 认为这些人已经开始回家流程，不能中止。所以万一传染啥的，川粉还可以骂是deep state 陷害大统领，LOL
The State Department made the call. The 14 people were already in the evacuation pipeline and protocol dictated they be brought home, said William Walters, director of operational medicine for the State Department. As the State Department drafted its news release, the CDC’s top officials insisted that any mention of the agency be removed. “CDC did weigh in on this and explicitly recommended against it,” Schuchat wrote on behalf of the officials, according to an HHS official who saw the email and shared the language. “We should not be mentioned as having been consulted as it begs the question of what was our advice.” She wrote that the infected passengers could pose “an increased risk to the other passengers.”
到机场了 上飞机前确诊了， 所以才吵。 其实没有方案是完美的，就算所有人negative 全测完再上飞机，还有可能有的人过几天才能测出来。只要回来隔离好了再放出来就没问题。
明明是黄皮川黑只有屁股问题，左媒华盛顿时报一篇中立的报道，黄皮川黑能强行罔顾事实、做出错误判断。
我觉得CDC这样的表现，恰恰体现了他们的indifference，对人命的关心不如保数字重要。
撤侨这种事，本来就是国务院牵头，接1个还是100个回来，和CDC没有任何关系，人越多反而责任越重，最好一个都不要撤。
一开始标题就应该写state department 这样很多川粉就不会来唱反调了，这是惹不起的一群人
原文是说Trump叫14个人同机回来？
还是说Trump administration? 这根本是天差地别两回事好吗？trump administration可以指代无数人。 CDC现在也算 trump government 的一部分。
上飞机时，健康的人根本不知道同飞机有确诊的人。当时听到这个消息，觉得cdc也太过分了
禁航这事肯定是 CDC支持的，禁了航CDC工作量就大大减少了啊
谢谢澄清，我想也是这样。
本来就是lz的题目哗众取宠，想误导群众。最该谴责的是他。
看了这么多新闻，觉得美国整体做事还是相对靠谱的，也有资源。这事情确实有点两难，最后人放隔离箱带回来，处理的也还算好
而且说老实话如果他们一开始并没有打算运感染者回国，但是立马竟然有隔离箱，我觉得还是做了很多预备功课，这一点我觉得都要表扬。不管是谁的功劳。
这也是我想说的
是的。我这次看新闻，真有点感慨美国的应急能力和物资条件。特别和国内相比，完全就是原始和现代的鲜明对比
国内gdp不知道都去哪里了，这次要啥啥没有。太吓人了。完全不是一个大国的表现。但是每次要给谁谁谁捐助，他们总能弄出来很多物资。完全不理解。
估计本来是准备，万一飞行途中有旅客开始发热，有症状的话，用来隔离的。好像武汉撤侨就有这个情况，所以去日本就有经验了。
张锋弄了个检测方法出来 不知道有没有用
哈哈，所以我是专业五毛，还是专业轮子？
呵呵，又要多测14个人了，好大好大的工作量啊！！最可怕的是如果这些测出来都是阴性可怎么办，不是打脸日本就是打脸自己。。于是不出所料的好多天过去了，这神秘的14个人的检测结果一直难产，CDC真是太难了
人数不多的话还是很不错的，也能照顾的比较周全。人数上去了这些资源还是远远不够的。
你这种心里有屎的人满眼看到的全是屎。
我也觉得川普做得没错。换做是我们自己，肯定也想回到美国治疗。病人是美国公民，应该回来。
只看到了你这滩屎💩