伊朗人是白种人 有多少人不知道伊朗和雅利安是同一个词?。。。

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楼主 (北美华人网)
首先声明 雅利安/斯拉夫人这种分类,还有白种人黄种人这些分类方式现在已经认为过时了。。。

现在伊朗国民也有古代雅利安人和其他暗人种混血。。。

“雅利安Aryan”和“伊朗Iran”其实是同一个词的两个变体。多次翻译之后变成两个词。类似的还有叙利亚Syria/亚述Assyrian。。。

除非伊朗那两个死者是伊朗少数民族,否则人家可是货真价实的白种人呀!

Reference:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Iran

伊朗名称: ērān 和 aryān 中的区域居民称谓词 ēr- 和 ary- 源自古伊朗语的 *arya-(古波斯语 airya- ,阿维斯陀语(Avestan) airiia- ,等等),指 “雅利安人”,意思是指“伊朗人的”。

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%9B%85%E5%88%A9%E5%AE%89%E4%BA%BA
约瑟夫-阿瑟·高比诺、豪斯顿·张伯伦等学者对“雅利安人”的概念进行了扩大,“雅利安人”的概念被从印度-雅利安人扩大到原始印欧人。他们认为原始印欧人是金发碧眼的北欧人,之后扩散并征服了各其它人种,建立文明。这一理论已被证明是不可靠。如今印欧人的发源地有多种假说,然而并不包括北欧。
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https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1008385
看基因……
润玉的天后 发表于 2/20/2020 3:05:47 PM

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baileys
历史教课书上写过,公元前xxx世纪,雅利安人 入侵伊朗高原
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chicot
咳咳,我一直以为他们是波斯人,小昭······
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Menshen
认识一些伊朗朋友,不觉得他们是雅利安人种,至少不是希特勒/纳粹德国所形容的雅利安人,好像现在的伊朗人更多的是混血,他们自己说很多伊朗人还有蒙古血统,当年蒙古帝国分崩离析的时候很多蒙古人留在了波斯而且改信了伊斯兰教
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伊朗=雅利安,是读音的异化没错。但是现在都不是知道雅利安人是哪个群体,现代伊朗父系基因是J为主,和阿拉伯一样,但是很多人又说雅利安人是R1a,R1a在伊朗也有一定比例,但是比不过J系。
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认识一些伊朗朋友,不觉得他们是雅利安人种,至少不是希特勒/纳粹德国所形容的雅利安人,好像现在的伊朗人更多的是混血,他们自己说很多伊朗人还有蒙古血统,当年蒙古帝国分崩离析的时候很多蒙古人留在了波斯而且改信了伊斯兰教
Menshen 发表于 2/20/2020 5:17:37 PM

恩 纳粹那个是希特勒读尼采中毒的意淫产物。。。我只是直观的说下,不要觉得病毒不会攻击所谓的白种人。。。
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印欧人太杂了,I系老欧洲土著,J系来自中东土著,E系北非。 现代印欧人数量最压倒性优势的r系,和印第安人的q系最亲的,美国人屠杀印第安人,其实是兄弟相残,都是从亚洲迁过去的,一个去了欧洲,印第安人去了美洲。和东亚人主导基因O系也是比较近亲。
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伊朗祖先是雅利安,现在只能算雅利安亚种,几千年来已经混了蒙古利亚人和其他亚种。
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Jicama
看不懂。就外貌看我的伊朗同事们的轮廓和德国人的轮廓还是很不一样的
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看不懂。就外貌看我的伊朗同事们的轮廓和德国人的轮廓还是很不一样的
Jicama 发表于 2/20/2020 5:37:58 PM


纯白人看皮肤最好区分。白人的皮肤薄,年纪一大皮肤老化快,皱褶多,看着比实际年龄老
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看不懂。就外貌看我的伊朗同事们的轮廓和德国人的轮廓还是很不一样的
Jicama 发表于 2/20/2020 5:37:58 PM

德国人其实跟雅利安人风马牛不相集 纯粹是祖上没啥可吹的于是想沾人家雅利安人的光

希特勒毕竟艺术生。。。

这个和韩国人吹李白是韩国人差不多心态
黑郁金香
我一个伊朗女同学,信天主教,我一开始以为是意大利人,后来聊起来才知道伊朗人也可以是这种长相
润玉的天后
Differences in allele frequencies across Iranian ethnic groups The observed genetic diversity and partially different ancestry was also evident in the frequency differences for numerous trait-related or predisposing alleles in the Iranian ethnic groups (S10 Table). In general, CIC groups tended to have very similar allele frequencies that were nevertheless often markedly different from those of Europeans, while Iranian Baluchis and Sistanis showed a tendency towards South Asians, although these trends were not present at all markers. A notable exception was lactase persistence-causing marker allele rs4988235-T whose frequency in Iranian Baluchis (22%) was much higher than in any of the other Iranian groups, raising the prospect of convergent evolution [114]. However, we did not find evidence for a selective sweep based on Tajima’s D (S16 Fig) nor when using the integrated haplotype score (iHS) approach [115] (S17 Fig). Although rs4988235 showed a substantial absolute score in Baluchis (|iHS| = 2.42), this value was not significant (two-sided p>0.05) and we also did not observe a clear clustering of SNPs with extreme values as a possible indication for positive selection [116]. 没人读我贴的链接,只好自己贴摘录了。 伊朗人和欧洲人基因不相似。有的更像南亚人……
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meningitis
希特勒也认为西藏人是雅利安人,地球之轴就在西藏。
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Differences in allele frequencies across Iranian ethnic groups

The observed genetic diversity and partially different ancestry was also evident in the frequency differences for numerous trait-related or predisposing alleles in the Iranian ethnic groups (S10 Table). In general, CIC groups tended to have very similar allele frequencies that were nevertheless often markedly different from those of Europeans, while Iranian Baluchis and Sistanis showed a tendency towards South Asians, although these trends were not present at all markers. A notable exception was lactase persistence-causing marker allele rs4988235-T whose frequency in Iranian Baluchis (22%) was much higher than in any of the other Iranian groups, raising the prospect of convergent evolution [114]. However, we did not find evidence for a selective sweep based on Tajima’s D (S16 Fig) nor when using the integrated haplotype score (iHS) approach [115] (S17 Fig). Although rs4988235 showed a substantial absolute score in Baluchis (|iHS| = 2.42), this value was not significant (two-sided p>0.05) and we also did not observe a clear clustering of SNPs with extreme values as a possible indication for positive selection [116].
没人读我贴的链接,只好自己贴摘录了。
伊朗人和欧洲人基因不相似。有的更像南亚人……
润玉的天后 发表于 2/20/2020 7:47:20 PM

实话说我觉得希腊人现在和伊朗人我根本没法1区别