SD错放病人这例，连犯三个低级错误，标记错样品，不知样品源于哪里，草率错误下结论，从lab到负责联系的staff的工作效率和态度让人担心啊。其他地方结果可靠吗，接下来还会发生吗？ 1.The hospital sent their specimens to a CDC lab in Atlanta for testing. According to the source, the specimens were incorrectly labeled upon arrival and so they were not tested. 2. The CDC lab did not realize the specimens were from the four Miramar patients. 3. When no results were reported back, CDC staffers mistakenly gave UC San Diego Health the results of four other patients who tested negative. That mistake led to all four Miramar patients being transferred back to the base Sunday afternoon.
SD错放病人这例，连犯三个低级错误，标记错样品，不知样品源于哪里，草率错误下结论，从lab到负责联系的staff的工作效率和态度让人担心啊。其他地方结果可靠吗，接下来还会发生吗？ 1.The hospital sent their specimens to a CDC lab in Atlanta for testing. According to the source, the specimens were incorrectly labeled upon arrival and so they were not tested. 2. The CDC lab did not realize the specimens were from the four Miramar patients. 3. When no results were reported back, CDC staffers mistakenly gave UC San Diego Health the results of four other patients who tested negative. That mistake led to all four Miramar patients being transferred back to the base Sunday afternoon. direwolf 发表于 2/11/2020 12:53:00 PM
❝On Monday, Tam authorized the release of one government employee and five flight crew members who assisted with the first evacuation flight, citing a low risk of exposure to the virus. ......... “In my assessment, I took into account the fact that they did not spend time in the epicentre of the outbreak, that they followed appropriate infection prevention and control protocols (including the use of personal protective equipment), and that they did not have unprotected contact with passengers or persons at risk of having the novel coronavirus,” Dr. Theresa Tam said in a statement.“As a result of this assessment, I have determined that their continued quarantine is not required.” ❞
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/10/health/evacuee-wuhan-coronavirus-mistakenly-released/index.html Errors by a hospital in San Diego and the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention led to a woman with the novel coronavirus being sent back to Marine Corps Air Station Miramar instead of isolation at the hospital, according to a health official familiar with the situation. [size=1.2]The woman was among Americans in federal quarantine at the base, and is the first US evacuee from China known to be infected with the novel coronavirus. [size=1.2]She flew to the base on February 5 on a US Department of State flight evacuating Americans from Wuhan, China. The next day, she started experiencing symptoms of the novel coronavirus and was taken to UC San Diego Health. Three other people exhibiting symptoms were also transported to the hospital.
[size=1.2]The hospital sent their specimens to a CDC lab in Atlanta for testing. According to the source, the specimens were incorrectly labeled upon arrival and so they were not tested. The CDC lab did not realize the specimens were from the four Miramar patients.
[size=1.2][size=1.2]When no results were reported back, CDC staffers mistakenly gave UC San Diego Health the results of four other patients who tested negative. That mistake led to all four Miramar patients being transferred back to the base Sunday afternoon. [size=1.2]After they arrived back at the base, the mistake was discovered and the tests were run on the four Miramar patients. [size=1.2]The results for the woman came back positive, and she was transported back to UC San Diego Health on Monday morning, where she remains in isolation. The woman has had a very mild illness, according to the source, with no fever and a slight cough. [size=1.2]The other three patients tested negative.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/10/health/evacuee-wuhan-coronavirus-mistakenly-released/index.html Errors by a hospital in San Diego and the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention led to a woman with the novel coronavirus being sent back to Marine Corps Air Station Miramar instead of isolation at the hospital, according to a health official familiar with the situation. [size=1.2]The woman was among Americans in federal quarantine at the base, and is the first US evacuee from China known to be infected with the novel coronavirus. [size=1.2]She flew to the base on February 5 on a US Department of State flight evacuating Americans from Wuhan, China. The next day, she started experiencing symptoms of the novel coronavirus and was taken to UC San Diego Health. Three other people exhibiting symptoms were also transported to the hospital.
[size=1.2]The hospital sent their specimens to a CDC lab in Atlanta for testing. According to the source, the specimens were incorrectly labeled upon arrival and so they were not tested. The CDC lab did not realize the specimens were from the four Miramar patients.
[size=1.2][size=1.2]When no results were reported back, CDC staffers mistakenly gave UC San Diego Health the results of four other patients who tested negative. That mistake led to all four Miramar patients being transferred back to the base Sunday afternoon. [size=1.2]After they arrived back at the base, the mistake was discovered and the tests were run on the four Miramar patients. [size=1.2]The results for the woman came back positive, and she was transported back to UC San Diego Health on Monday morning, where she remains in isolation. The woman has had a very mild illness, according to the source, with no fever and a slight cough. [size=1.2]The other three patients tested negative.
我没觉得美国的风险有多大， 但是我说的是CDC松懈到了令人发指的地步了。 When no results were reported back, CDC staffers mistakenly gave UC San Diego Health the results of four other patients who tested negative.
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你是说CDC管理有问题？这都是全球警报的疫情了，处理上很懈怠
现在把控CDC的是民主党-大家都懂的!
因为他们自己也是黑墨为主，所以这种mislabel的低级错误特别多……还没人敢说他们...
看看亚特兰大都是些什么人口为主，就觉得不出错反而奇怪了
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我们这些吃瓜网友看看新闻都能掌握这么多信息，你让我相信CDC掌握的信息比我们少你让我相信他们是不小心，不好意思，没办法，我觉得这里面真有问题。还有之前很多网友说美国加拿大这边采取的措施不够好，是因为他们不知道中国情况有多严重，他们不如我们懂gcd， excuse me? 美国中央情报局的情报感情还顶不上我们吃瓜的，这是怎样一种逻辑
之前还有人打电话到cdc，现在一片洗地的。
我之前也觉得什么这病毒对亚洲人传染更严重是都市传说，我现在看美国加拿大这边这种防范，我开始相信了，不是学生物工程的也不是学基因的，只是觉得要不是这样这TM根本说不过去
也有可能是cdc跟who一样了。只有老川是不可能被收买的。
只有坚持少测最好不测，才能最大限度保证数字稳定不上升！没看现在各国都严阵以待人心惶惶，美国N多天不上升的十几例，一骑绝尘卓尔不群，仿佛暗夜中照亮全人类的灯塔
你说的非常对 不是烂就是有阴，我觉得后者可能性大些
上次一个护士感染了埃博拉，打电话问cdc可不可以坐飞机，cdc说可以。这种机构为什么没有人追责？
很早的时候，我发了一个帖子link给那个id，那个帖子说国内病例发现早期试剂盒测试是阴性，甚至第6天都是阴性，更晚测试才呈阳性。发帖目的就是想提醒她，cdc有可能不知道这个情况，不知道cdc是不是也重复测试。然后那个id一声不吭，跑到帖子里踩我一脚。特别傲慢无理。跟cdc大老爷一个*性，叹为观止。
现在没有disclose海外的病例的族裔构成，同怀疑中
CDC是不是被猪党收买了？故意把疫情搞大嫁祸给老川
不是没有可能的。说好的CDC有完整的protocol呢？
按我现在了解的信息来判断，暂时不相信阴谋论，a. 白人依旧会感染，b.Trump迅速撤侨和宣布全国卫生紧急状态，c. 撤回的人在军事基地隔离；表明他有可靠真实情报做这个决定。现在问题在于：
1. CDC不重视或故意不重视，先说故意不重视，是想养寇自重，等危机来时要资源再出手凸显自身重要性？但从SD这个骚操作上来看, 完全是 work ethic的问题，无知加傲慢，如果这样，美国危矣...
2. 美国很大的问题是各自为政，相互掣肘，高层重视，未必能立刻体现在终端上。Trump毕竟不懂CDC的运作的details, 没准儿他以为CDC已经如临大敌的状态。
很多批评的CDC的帖子都有一个人踩，可能确实太爱岗敬业了
这话说的也对。
lol 妹子用的这个“今年”特别有喜感。。。。这是说往年特别给力喽
cdc五毛？
这是要害人吗？想吧美国也搞乱吧
建议大统领多来本版招纳忠心粉丝去填补他的白宫／内阁／各部门空缺。不是缺很多人嘛。LOL
btw 你们领袖的预算草案里刚要cut CDC 1.28 billion 的资金，cut NIH EPA etc 科研资金，另外要花 800 million 给自己装修空军一号。
当然，国会管钱。这个预算案估计过不了。LOL
你不觉得自己的回应就是很傲慢吗？面对质疑，请用事实说话。
另外，我不是川粉，谢谢！
同觉得
说一个冰箱不够冷不需要自己学会制冷
奇怪的是他们去接撤侨的时候包的严实，对飞机进来的人连体温都不测
抱歉 我没说你的主楼
说的是大部分跟贴。你的质疑有根据，还好 CDC 有检测到了这个错误并且跟进改正了。
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/10/health/evacuee-wuhan-coronavirus-mistakenly-released/index.html
Errors by a hospital in San Diego and the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention led to a woman with the novel coronavirus being sent back to Marine Corps Air Station Miramar instead of isolation at the hospital, according to a health official familiar with the situation.
[size=1.2]The woman was among Americans in federal quarantine at the base, and is the first US evacuee from China known to be infected with the novel coronavirus.
[size=1.2]She flew to the base on February 5 on a US Department of State flight evacuating Americans from Wuhan, China. The next day, she started experiencing symptoms of the novel coronavirus and was taken to UC San Diego Health. Three other people exhibiting symptoms were also transported to the hospital.
[size=1.2]The hospital sent their specimens to a CDC lab in Atlanta for testing. According to the source, the specimens were incorrectly labeled upon arrival and so they were not tested. The CDC lab did not realize the specimens were from the four Miramar patients.
[size=1.2][size=1.2]When no results were reported back, CDC staffers mistakenly gave UC San Diego Health the results of four other patients who tested negative. That mistake led to all four Miramar patients being transferred back to the base Sunday afternoon.
[size=1.2]After they arrived back at the base, the mistake was discovered and the tests were run on the four Miramar patients.
[size=1.2]The results for the woman came back positive, and she was transported back to UC San Diego Health on Monday morning, where she remains in isolation. The woman has had a very mild illness, according to the source, with no fever and a slight cough.
[size=1.2]The other three patients tested negative.
你有没有想过，还有一个可能性，就是华人网过高估计在美国的实际的风险了？
RISK总是有的。但是因为情绪，媒体渲染，过高估计，也是大有可能。我目前没觉得有任何实际数据让我需要质疑CDC。
如果整天看华人网的信息，确实，不恐慌也难就是了。
但是面对一个正常的冰箱，不能抱怨说冰箱怎么不加热，是不是坏了。
说明误测是可能发生的。但是CDC并没有和TG一样去刻意的隐瞒事实啥的吧。
官僚作风确实存在。美国政府机构大家也打过一些交道。不过美国应该没有国内那种大面积隐瞒数据造假的作风。如果一旦爆出来，当事人会有很大的责任。说到底，这毕竟还是个法制的社会。
红州？蓝州？
华人和国内过来的人回国的人接触多，自然就比普通美国人risk高
对，而且有监督机制，有自我修正／检查机制。
在实验室工作的人应该都熟悉，万一有误，需要走的correction 正式流程吧。
出错就是出错，平时效率低也是事实，不知道你逼逼个啥劲儿
公司的话，属于deviation, 要调查root cause。政府部门不知道。
出口成脏的只有屏蔽啦。谢谢。
是，WHO 这次去天朝的专家队伍，都说一定要有CDC 。
WHO还祝贺天朝干的好，不要断航，看来who跟cdc这回一条心了。一个负责国际，一个负责国内。
那我请问为啥日本能迅速测试几百人？cdc举国之力二十天了测了多少？
Who cares???
人家不贴错标签就不错了，惹毛了搞不好所有人看都不看全negtive.
要比人数，那都比不上中国测得快。CDC有多少人测我不知道。日本是比较可能加班加点加人手做的，美国这边一般不会，也就照常上下班吧。要说官僚可能也是的吧。 各国对这种medical device管制不同，CDC需要validate 试剂盒和操作，结果经FDA审核才能下放。这个流程花时间，但是我觉得很必要。
你还是没拿出证据，都是猜测。我也可以猜测是cdc人员制度松散消极怠工每天工作半小时，反正大家都不知道是怎么回事，只知道结果是日本可以整船测，cdc三百个测了几十天，还搞错了至少一个，真长脸
这么说的话，日本有没有假阴性假阳性也是从报道上看，不代表绝对没有。数字高，我也可以说是假阳性高? 不是实际做的人，只能根据结果猜呗。 大家follow 自己的common sense ，不满意CDC就像隔壁mm一样直接去反映，说不定有作用。你在这里拉CDC的仇恨，也没有啥constructive 的作用。
你别说真有自带干粮的。
First of all，你好像不太知道拉仇恨是怎么个用法
日本有没有假阳，至少报道上没有，cdc假阳，自己承认了。当然你也可以说日本人不承认美国人承认，然而大家都知道日本人做事谨慎还是美国人做事谨慎。你说要common sense，如果你连这点都不不承认，那也只能说是粉丝滤镜太厚了
还有，给cdc反应和论坛上骂是互斥的了？你怎么知道不满意的不是因为反映了也没用才来骂的？即使不反映，纳税人有没有质疑的权利？毕竟是大家花钱养的，如果连这点儿言论自由都没有，哪里来的脸觉得比别的国家好？
说了半天你也都是自己猜的。。。cdc只有一个实验员么？能慢成这样，每天正常工作八小时都不至于这样
cdc最后那个测都没测就说阴性简直太恶劣，不是一般的不小心了。想不到cdc还有铁粉。
我不理解这楼里俩cdc自干五图啥？一个是员工？另外一个总觉得自己比别人明白想标新立异？前面有人说得好，纳税人养的，言论自由，这两点，他们无权干涉纳税人的质疑
我觉得最不可理解的是nj游船上下来的几个游客，当时怀疑，然而搬患者的工作人员连口罩都没戴，这是cdc没给医务人员guideline还是nj政府没有follow？那么多人没有一个戴口罩，显然不是个人行为，nj政府也不直接管这些急救人员吧？所以这锅谁来背？虽然最后谁是negative，但是这种工作态度也太要人命了吧
记得埃博拉的时候有人感染打电话给cdc，cdc说没事儿。后来这人是没有传染别人。cdc每次就是靠狗屎运来运行的。
主楼描述的CDC，感觉跟“靠谱”二字不沾边。
哈哈，都被蓝金黄，分别负责拉美国和世界下水？
我没觉得美国的风险有多大， 但是我说的是CDC松懈到了令人发指的地步了。
When no results were reported back, CDC staffers mistakenly gave UC San Diego Health the results of four other patients who tested negative.
没有report back, CDC staff 凭那条guidance 通知别的部门测试结果是negative？？？
这样做事，在美国任何地方都是行不通的吧？
和风险大不大没什么关系。
注：看来的转发啊，不要喷我
政治正确到了要把大家的性命当儿戏的程度，政治正确就跟土共一样令人作呕
这一点我很同意，如果美国这边发生了相同程度的疫情，我想最后肯定是让大家自己保护自己的指望不上谁。
确实这样，美国政府部门工作人员的弱智草率低效，一贯如此
因为他们自己也是黑墨为主，所以这种mislabel的低级错误特别多……还没人敢说他们...
看看亚特兰大都是些什么人口为主，就觉得不出错反而奇怪了
现在把控CDC的是民主党-大家都懂的!