哈佛大牛涉嫌违法相关法律被逮捕

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lbff

崔教授居然没有通中。。。。
henshuhen 发表于 1/28/2020 1:46:30 PM

他回国捞钱可比他导师厉害呢,要是也被抓就是报应了。不知道小崛牛怎么样了,现在也是中年妇女一枚了
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fredman
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$5万/月。According to charging documents, Dr. Lieber was paid up to $50,000 per month in salary and $150,000 per year in living expenses by Wuhan University of Technology. He was also awarded more than $1.5 million by the university and the Chinese government to build a laboratory in Wuhan.
cable 发表于 1/28/2020 2:12:51 PM

别说别的。就偷税这条就能搞死他。
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CleverBeaver


Hope Prof. Cui would be the next one

lbff 发表于 1/28/2020 3:07:46 PM

这大概算是天网恢恢吧
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vikpie
八卦一下,十几年前听来的他们实验室的故事。大牛不仅学术牛,手腕也牛。做某杂志审稿人的时候,收到别人的论文,他觉得想法特别好,就一边把论文扣着,一边催着手下学术赶紧做,然后一发成名
Threepeople 发表于 1/28/2020 3:09:31 PM

这路子其他大牛也搞啊,我以为这已经是惯用操作了......
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feo
八卦一下,十几年前听来的他们实验室的故事。大牛不仅学术牛,手腕也牛。做某杂志审稿人的时候,收到别人的论文,他觉得想法特别好,就一边把论文扣着,一边催着手下学术赶紧做,然后一发成名
Threepeople 发表于 1/28/2020 3:09:31 PM

垃圾啊,报应
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CleverBeaver
跟脑白金一类

seapebble1 发表于 1/28/2020 3:09:35 PM

🐂
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CleverBeaver

也可能tg觉得他没有利用价值了,透露信息给美国了

feo 发表于 1/28/2020 3:09:29 PM

有可能
掩护了隐藏的更深的
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zhuhei
有内幕吗
他回国捞钱可比他导师厉害呢,要是也被抓就是报应了。不知道小崛牛怎么样了,现在也是中年妇女一枚了 lbff 发表于 1/28/2020 3:09:00 PM
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jiangyoudang17
八卦一下,十几年前听来的他们实验室的故事。大牛不仅学术牛,手腕也牛。做某杂志审稿人的时候,收到别人的论文,他觉得想法特别好,就一边把论文扣着,一边催着手下学术赶紧做,然后一发成名
Threepeople 发表于 1/28/2020 3:09:31 PM


很多人都这样啊。尤其实验科学的,入门门槛相对低,学生多手快,好的想法最重要。
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zhuhei
真的假的,这是人品问题啊
很多人都这样啊。尤其实验科学的,入门门槛相对低,学生多手快,好的想法最重要。 jiangyoudang17 发表于 1/28/2020 3:14:00 PM
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CleverBeaver


Media lab的事情一直在买买提内部发酵,各科的女博士博后现在是申请买买提教职的最佳节点,过了这个村就没这个店了

jiangyoudang17 发表于 1/28/2020 2:29:58 PM


买买提那位神经科学系的前主任,是炸药奖得主呢……

如果那时没有因为me too事件辞职,很难说在金主这件事上干不干净的

也是很能很能拉钱的,整栋楼都是他拉钱造起来的
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vikpie

他回国捞钱可比他导师厉害呢,要是也被抓就是报应了。不知道小崛牛怎么样了,现在也是中年妇女一枚了
lbff 发表于 1/28/2020 3:09:56 PM

不说小倔牛这个事儿哈,崔教授圈里还是比较会做人的,对学生也不错,跟liber 截然不同的性格
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jiangyoudang17
真的假的,这是人品问题啊

zhuhei 发表于 1/28/2020 3:15:26 PM


学界平均人品不比其他领域高啊,尤其利益很大的时候
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vikpie
真的假的,这是人品问题啊

zhuhei 发表于 1/28/2020 3:15:26 PM

发paper又不需要验证人品才能发,学术圈因为idea抄袭撕逼的事儿多了去了,好多还是各执一词,不是当事人或者知情人都很难判断
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jiangyoudang17

买买提那位神经科学系的前主任,是炸药奖得主呢……

如果那时没有因为me too时间辞职,很难说干不干净的

也是很能很能拉钱的,整栋楼都是他拉钱造起来的

CleverBeaver 发表于 1/28/2020 3:16:43 PM


我听在那里的人说这个事内部还在发酵,其中一点是批判一向对女性不友好,换汤不换药的举措不行,要从根子上解决问题之类的。所以接下来几年各种女生女老师可以横着走。原来拿几个offer怕不好天牛的女老师也不用怕了,只要不出格地差就没问题。

不过呢,总比批判现行的学术制度要力度小很多,比如彻底被金钱打败,强调性别也算是避重就轻了。
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vikpie


我听在那里的人说这个事内部还在发酵,其中一点是批判一向对女性不友好,换汤不换药的举措不行,要从根子上解决问题之类的。所以接下来几年各种女生女老师可以横着走。原来拿几个offer怕不好天牛的女老师也不用怕了,只要不出格地差就没问题。

不过呢,总比批判现行的学术制度要力度小很多,比如彻底被金钱打败,强调性别也算是避重就轻了。

jiangyoudang17 发表于 1/28/2020 3:21:52 PM

看来某骗子女教授温拿tenure 了
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jiangyoudang17

看来某骗子女教授温拿tenure 了
vikpie 发表于 1/28/2020 3:24:23 PM

谁?
冰是睡着的水
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请高人科普此人
hulaquan 发表于 1/28/2020 1:45:34 PM
武汉真是一鸣惊人啊
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pmmp
最近的新闻真的是。 三观都要毁了
Theash 发表于 1/28/2020 2:06:34 PM
爆出来的只是冰山一角 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
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metis
八卦一下,十几年前听来的他们实验室的故事。大牛不仅学术牛,手腕也牛。做某杂志审稿人的时候,收到别人的论文,他觉得想法特别好,就一边把论文扣着,一边催着手下学术赶紧做,然后一发成名
Threepeople 发表于 1/28/2020 3:09:31 PM

觉得lieber不像这样的,可能人名字传错了。
再说纳米这行十几年前文章井喷,不排除很多人有相似的idea抢发文章的。文章没发出来,心里恼火瞎猜猜的东西发到网上就变成有鼻子有眼的故事了,还传的快。这种事情见的太多了。
红豆冰棍


我听在那里的人说这个事内部还在发酵,其中一点是批判一向对女性不友好,换汤不换药的举措不行,要从根子上解决问题之类的。所以接下来几年各种女生女老师可以横着走。原来拿几个offer怕不好天牛的女老师也不用怕了,只要不出格地差就没问题。

不过呢,总比批判现行的学术制度要力度小很多,比如彻底被金钱打败,强调性别也算是避重就轻了。

jiangyoudang17 发表于 1/28/2020 3:21:52 PM

请问这是哪个学校的哪个系?
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jiangyoudang17

觉得lieber不像这样的,可能人名字传错了。
再说纳米这行十几年前文章井喷,不排除很多人有相似的idea抢发文章的。文章没发出来,心里恼火瞎猜猜的东西发到网上就变成有鼻子有眼的故事了,还传的快。这种事情见的太多了。

metis 发表于 1/28/2020 3:34:30 PM


他名声不好很久了啊,做派很典型的中式学霸。圈内人都知道吧。
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sf49ers
不懂就问,这么牛的教授,一个月拿5万美金的工资多吗?一年60万也就和高级码公的包裹相当而已。
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amyfair
晕倒,记得当年裤子大化学系每年只有一个人可以进他的组
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Peppa5
培养了很多人才

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rreee 发表于 1/28/2020 2:10:28 PM

真是桃李满天下,可惜蓝黄金
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faramita
不懂就问,这么牛的教授,一个月拿5万美金的工资多吗?一年60万也就和高级码公的包裹相当而已。
sf49ers 发表于 1/28/2020 3:51:02 PM

还有16万生活费,关键瞒报了的话很可能也没有上税啊
游目骋怀
八卦一下,十几年前听来的他们实验室的故事。大牛不仅学术牛,手腕也牛。做某杂志审稿人的时候,收到别人的论文,他觉得想法特别好,就一边把论文扣着,一边催着手下学术赶紧做,然后一发成名



回复Threepeople:“八卦一下,十几年前听来的他们实验室的故事。大牛不仅学术牛,手腕也牛。做某杂志审稿人的时候,收到别人的论文,他觉得想法特别好,就一边把论文扣着,一边催着手下学术赶紧做,然后一发成名”
这让我想起来2014年诺奖化学给了Eric Betzig, Stefan W. Hell and William E. Moerner,而不是庄。
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dreamalittledream
这帖子的标题上为什么还有杀妻。。。。
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lambofgod168
不懂就问,这么牛的教授,一个月拿5万美金的工资多吗?一年60万也就和高级码公的包裹相当而已。
sf49ers 发表于 1/28/2020 3:51:02 PM


不是自己开公司,一个轻轻松松的part time工作一年76万美元,实实在在到手的钱,不是股票什么的,我觉得没有几个高级马工能做到吧。
超版
这帖子的标题上为什么还有杀妻。。。。
dreamalittledream 发表于 1/28/2020 3:58:21 PM

搞晕头了,sorry。。。。改过来了,被下面的新闻误导了。
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vwot
文学城说国内一个月发5万美元工资?
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namamae
貌似他们的合作在奥黑时候就已经结束了??


关于本实验室与哈佛大学Charles M. Lieber教授合作到期的声明
发布时间:2018-07-03 14:49:00
本实验室与哈佛大学Charles M. Lieber教授于2009年5月18日开始合作,于2015年2月3日合作到期。

我们现已停止使用哈佛大学Charles M. Lieber教授的字样,不再将其作为实验室的标识、网站、宣传图册等的一部分进行使用(该情况我们已通过邮件的形式知会哈佛大学Charles M. Lieber教授)。



特此声明

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2018年7月3日
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晕倒,记得当年裤子大化学系每年只有一个人可以进他的组
amyfair 发表于 1/28/2020 3:51:25 PM

嗯哪某一年是崔屹进他的组
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em4luv
是“外专千人计划”。
新来的小兔子
这时间点是巧合吗?
小飞蛾
我的天。。。
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aliceVA
超级大牛
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COA
不懂就问,这么牛的教授,一个月拿5万美金的工资多吗?一年60万也就和高级码公的包裹相当而已。
sf49ers 发表于 1/28/2020 3:51:02 PM

就算诺奖也就一百来万美金,高高级马工一年的包裹,所以还是马工最牛,马工威武
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Threepeople


回复Threepeople:“八卦一下,十几年前听来的他们实验室的故事。大牛不仅学术牛,手腕也牛。做某杂志审稿人的时候,收到别人的论文,他觉得想法特别好,就一边把论文扣着,一边催着手下学术赶紧做,然后一发成名”

这让我想起来2014年诺奖化学给了Eric Betzig, Stefan W. Hell and William E. Moerner,而不是庄。



游目骋怀 发表于 1/28/2020 3:55:57 PM


学术圈都是那么回事,争项目,争论文,抱团打压,傍大腿,见怪不怪
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hemonc
Charles Lieber?
maplepine 发表于 1/28/2020 1:46:56 PM

不用打开就知道是他
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funnyhaha
居然没有更多关于他的8卦。。。
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jasonsarah
cui的八卦很有名
一个法师
竟然是lieber?纳米化学届的头把交椅,多少华人灌水届大牛都出自他的门下
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hemonc
看来华人上徒子徒孙也不少啊
CleverBeaver 发表于 1/28/2020 2:26:59 PM

这个lab的中国学生博后同一时期的我觉得都有20人吧,女生都是很nice的mm
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hemonc
这有中间人牵头呀
guess 发表于 1/28/2020 2:22:05 PM
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luciferplx
他这么做是为了啥?要钱有钱要名有名。难道为了学术更上一个境界?学术界要地震了
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CleverBeaver

看来某骗子女教授温拿tenure 了
vikpie 发表于 1/28/2020 3:24:23 PM

这种评论估计好多人要闻风丧胆了
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oceaniris
难以置信啊 Charles Lieber 如雷贯耳的名字
sukiyokawa 发表于 1/28/2020 1:52:09 PM


说明中国的钱真吸引世界人才
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kreaty
这个对于学术界的震动有科比对于篮球界的影响吧...初一开始每天都有breaking news推送
自干五
牵头人是谁啊? 感觉您有内幕
牵头人已经全职回国了,有北京市长亲自分的大房子呢,lieber比较惨 hemonc 发表于 1/28/2020 4:51:00 PM
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oceaniris


学术圈都是那么回事,争项目,争论文,抱团打压,傍大腿,见怪不怪

Threepeople 发表于 1/28/2020 4:34:36 PM


没错,到处都是一样的名利场
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mmjj123
他这么做是为了啥?要钱有钱要名有名。难道为了学术更上一个境界?学术界要地震了
luciferplx 发表于 1/28/2020 4:54:16 PM

学术界还真不是要钱有钱,尤其他这种基础科学,如果没有开公司,也只是死工资而已,funding也不是随便用的,不是所有的funding都可以当工资发,NIH对funding用于工资方面是有上限的,一般二十万封顶。武汉理工给的钱是很多的。
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rime
Everyone can be bought.
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appleapp
他这么做是为了啥?要钱有钱要名有名。难道为了学术更上一个境界?学术界要地震了
luciferplx 发表于 1/28/2020 4:54:16 PM

学术界爱钱的不少,都是人啊,看一下斯坦福多少个学术大牛全职出来搞VC, 开公司的就不用说了,没公司的应该很少。。
焱焱
这个对于学术界的震动有科比对于篮球界的影响吧...初一开始每天都有breaking news推送
kreaty 发表于 1/28/2020 5:16:24 PM


今年注定动荡,我开始迷信了。。。。。
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zatoichi888
不懂就问,这么牛的教授,一个月拿5万美金的工资多吗?一年60万也就和高级码公的包裹相当而已。
sf49ers 发表于 1/28/2020 3:51:02 PM


哎,这只是人家在中国的consulting收入吧,已经有75万了,所有收入加起来应该比马公还是多不少的
公用马甲49


哎,这只是人家在中国的consulting收入吧,已经有75万了,所有收入加起来应该比马公还是多不少的

zatoichi888 发表于 1/28/2020 5:56:48 PM

发考题也敢和马工比,梁静茹给的勇气吗,马工秒杀一切
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zatoichi888

学术界还真不是要钱有钱,尤其他这种基础科学,如果没有开公司,也只是死工资而已,funding也不是随便用的,不是所有的funding都可以当工资发,NIH对funding用于工资方面是有上限的,一般二十万封顶。武汉理工给的钱是很多的。

mmjj123 发表于 1/28/2020 5:20:47 PM


私立学校的工资应该是没有上限的,公立学校的工资确实好像有cap
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wanwanma


学术圈都是那么回事,争项目,争论文,抱团打压,傍大腿,见怪不怪

Threepeople 发表于 1/28/2020 4:34:36 PM


所言极是!
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baobaokuailai
这。。。。
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cy_dong
估计一开始就是想搞合作学术研究,后来想抽身已经被人抓住把柄,不能抽身而退了。
他这么做是为了啥?要钱有钱要名有名。难道为了学术更上一个境界?学术界要地震了 luciferplx 发表于 1/28/2020 4:54:00 PM
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summermiao
天啊?Lieber??震惊
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piscesee
wow Charles Liber好像拼错了,真的大牛啊
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namamae
估计一开始就是想搞合作学术研究,后来想抽身已经被人抓住把柄,不能抽身而退了。
cy_dong 发表于 1/28/2020 6:21:07 PM


15年就退了啊。。。
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CleverBeaver
Everyone can be bought.
rime 发表于 1/28/2020 5:22:37 PM

true !
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AbeLoveMe
他肯定被我党抓住了小辫子,否则犯得着为这点钱把自己卖了。
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YouyiM
他肯定被我党抓住了小辫子,否则犯得着为这点钱把自己卖了。
AbeLoveMe 发表于 1/28/2020 6:43:12 PM


不是钱,就是色了。仙人跳。。。
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balaja


私立学校的工资应该是没有上限的,公立学校的工资确实好像有cap

zatoichi888 发表于 1/28/2020 5:59:21 PM


用nsf,nih的钱发工资是有cap的,大概equivalent to 20w一年。比如一般学校是学校发9个月,自己funding发3个月,学校可以9个月发你30万(equivalent to 一年40万),但是你拿nih的钱发自己工资的3个月就只能3个月发5万,这样一年的收入就只有35万了
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jiangyoudang17


私立学校的工资应该是没有上限的,公立学校的工资确实好像有cap

zatoichi888 发表于 1/28/2020 5:59:21 PM

当然不是了。经费是纳税人的钱,肯定限制啊
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Maggie_Jia


哎,这只是人家在中国的consulting收入吧,已经有75万了,所有收入加起来应该比马公还是多不少的

zatoichi888 发表于 1/28/2020 5:56:48 PM


估计这75万美金还没交税
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sunny988


15年就退了啊。。。

namamae 发表于 1/28/2020 6:30:27 PM


FBI没有确凿证据不会轻易动手,他们非常有耐心,这估计跟踪了七八年找到很多实证才动手的
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AbeLoveMe


估计这75万美金还没交税

Maggie_Jia 发表于 1/28/2020 6:52:03 PM


难道都存在中国?能拿出来吗?
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Augustblue
八卦一下,十几年前听来的他们实验室的故事。大牛不仅学术牛,手腕也牛。做某杂志审稿人的时候,收到别人的论文,他觉得想法特别好,就一边把论文扣着,一边催着手下学术赶紧做,然后一发成名
Threepeople 发表于 1/28/2020 3:09:31 PM

这人品,出这种事儿也不奇怪了。
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YouyiM


难道都存在中国?能拿出来吗?

AbeLoveMe 发表于 1/28/2020 6:54:54 PM

也有可能是海外的trust/nominee entity之类的。
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cy_dong
活该,这种人就是利欲熏心!
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PLAZZZ1
真的假的,这是人品问题啊
很多人都这样啊。尤其实验科学的,入门门槛相对低,学生多手快,好的想法最重要。 jiangyoudang17 发表于 1/28/2020 3:14:00 PM


这个好多专业都是这样。一个领域有时候几个实验室做的很接近都在准备发表,最后审稿的把人家的撬了,自己赶着发了。
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lblayer123
纳米这种美国人不爱学,只能从中国招博士生,所以他的实验室都是中国人。在中国只要说是纳米技术,很容易拿到很多funding,然后发paper,升教授,当大官
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Anastasiaa
Wuhan University of Technology? This is NOT Huazhong Ke Da, right?
maplepine 发表于 1/28/2020 2:00:48 PM

两个学校
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Xiaoxiaohai
纳米这种美国人不爱学,只能从中国招博士生,所以他的实验室都是中国人。在中国只要说是纳米技术,很容易拿到很多funding,然后发paper,升教授,当大官
lblayer123 发表于 1/28/2020 7:10:44 PM

应该说之前美国基础教育中的价值导向出了问题,学生都瞄准轻松赚大钱的专业
幸福
没看懂 为什么3个月只能发5万?因为20万最多?


用nsf,nih的钱发工资是有cap的,大概equivalent to 20w一年。比如一般学校是学校发9个月,自己funding发3个月,学校可以9个月发你30万(equivalent to 一年40万),但是你拿nih的钱发自己工资的3个月就只能3个月发5万,这样一年的收入就只有35万了

balaja 发表于 1/28/2020 6:46:34 PM
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goldchina
The Chinese university that Lieber partnered with allegedly paid him a monthly salary of $50,000 and as much as $158,000 per year for living expenses. He also received more than $1.5 million to build a lab in China.
红豆沙黑咖啡
不懂就问,这么牛的教授,一个月拿5万美金的工资多吗?一年60万也就和高级码公的包裹相当而已。
sf49ers 发表于 1/28/2020 3:51:02 PM


60万包裹只是中级马工。这个大牛还不如早点刷题转码。
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baby.chen
今天的朋友圈略尴尬。 武汉的事情因为言论管制,已经没有什么新的消息。 Lieber被捕本来应该是个大新闻,结果朋友圈教授们太多,没有一个敢转发,因为他们的圈里一堆Lieber的直系和旁系。。 剩下的,就只有迎财神了。。。
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Juneau
想不到,是为了钱?
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CleverBeaver
今天的朋友圈略尴尬。
武汉的事情因为言论管制,已经没有什么新的消息。
Lieber被捕本来应该是个大新闻,结果朋友圈教授们太多,没有一个敢转发,因为他们的圈里一堆Lieber的直系和旁系。。
剩下的,就只有迎财神了。。。
baby.chen 发表于 1/28/2020 7:51:17 PM

这好像是蛮尴尬的😅
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Renshengkuduan
啥内情
奥利奥太甜了
关于为啥是武汉理工,难道只有我知道那里的掌门人也是他的学生吗?
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goodluckall
回复 279楼红豆沙黑咖啡的帖子 laf 码工果然无往不胜
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hioc
活该,这么大的成就也救不了他的身败名裂
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rime
关于为啥是武汉理工,难道只有我知道那里的掌门人也是他的学生吗?
奥利奥太甜了 发表于 1/28/2020 8:06:27 PM

postdoc是不算学生的。
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acoring
居然拿他和码工比,天!学术上这么受尊敬的一个人。。华人上真的是马工为大。笑死,我自己马工。。真是笑死
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yamykang
回复217楼metis的帖子 就是 国内某大牛一直对我有敌意,后来才知道我俩有一篇一摸一样的文章,我发在前面,但是他说他投在前,怀疑我压住他不让发然后自己发了。其实根本没有的事,说开了就好了。大牛现在对我可友好了
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kate1091
没看懂 为什么3个月只能发5万?因为20万最多?

幸福 发表于 1/28/2020 7:16:33 PM


因为向NIH要钱的时候要给个年工资(<=$189k),暑假的这三个月只能按这个行情发。
如果年薪>$189k,那么暑期就吃亏了。但很多人愿意吃这个亏。
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sunny988
教授太清贫了,这么个超级大牛连几十万都抵挡不住就给沦陷了,那些大明星根本不会把这点钱看在眼里
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hibernateisland
为啥什么讨论都有码工出来秀包裹?
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flowingsue


学术圈都是那么回事,争项目,争论文,抱团打压,傍大腿,见怪不怪

Threepeople 发表于 1/28/2020 4:34:36 PM

庄都是他捧出来的
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sunny988

庄都是他捧出来的

flowingsue 发表于 1/28/2020 8:37:31 PM

他能捧中国人这不挺好的,总比打压国人好