今年的流感的确很厉害，不同的就是美国这边的信息比较透明，这是12/27/2019的信息，4百60万感染，3万9千住院，2100死亡。 In today's FluView update from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), experts say the flu season is in full swing with an estimated 4.6 million flu illnesses, 39,000 hospitalizations and 2,100 deaths from flu so far this season. http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2019/12/flu-activity-high-least-2100-deaths-season
那个cdc的统计，死亡人数确实是6600。 CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 13 million flu illnesses, 120,000 hospitalizations and 6,600 deaths from flu.
CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 13 million flu illnesses, 120,000 hospitalizations and 6,600 deaths from flu. hellolady 发表于 1/22/2020 5:35:16 PM
It has been recognized for many years that people 65 years and older are at high risk of developing serious complications from flu compared with young, healthy adults. This is in part because human immune defenses become weaker with increasing age. While flu seasons can vary in severity, during most seasons, people 65 years and older bear the greatest burden of severe flu disease. In recent years, for example, it’s estimated that between about 70 percent and 85 percent of seasonal flu-related deaths have occurred in people 65 years and older, and between 50 percent and 70 percent of seasonal flu-related hospitalizations have occurred among people in this age group. So, influenza is often quite serious for people 65 and older.
美国当然是水深火热啊，没吃的没穿的到处枪击在家都有流感。。。没办法，哎，你就这么哭诉一下就好了
的确有人问。不过官媒也达到了目的，小民们忽视身边的武汉热，开始为大洋彼岸的人民担心
嗯，好像本版上看到有3~4帖了
“对呀，美国流感严重的很，口罩都卖脱销了，不然你从国内给我寄点口罩过来呗？”
那个大青椒一个id就开了不止一个楼。。。
屏蔽好久了，怪不得没看到
大约是操心你们自己的问题的意思。。。lol
我还真没操心她们，我问都不问肺炎的事，如果问了就会骂美国，反正任何事情都有美帝背锅
像这种选择性披露部分事实等同于欺骗，再加上民众被洗得失去了逻辑思辨能力，受过高等教育的也难免中招
医护人员伟大，还想砍就砍，想割脖子就割，呼唤国内人民和政府的逻辑
就是“美国也...”的翻版，如果是因为这样的宣传而造成平民们认知假象，觉得没事，真得好吗？
流感贴绝对有官媒推手
这个。。帮我也科普一下吧。一大早我爸和同学都问我怎么回事。我只说是带节奏的呗，但是还真不知道怎么回他们。。说了下大概人们对流感的研究还是相对充分，不像这次的肺炎缺乏研究及对症，更不好对付。
正好今天有个帖子，mm有兴趣刻意看看相关讨论：http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2494683&page=1主要是：疾病要看死亡率，流感大约是万分之一到5，非典这种百分之10.非典如果没有严防死守住，死亡人数就难以想象了。ebola杀死了90%患病的人。
其次，美国流感死亡人数是把流感诱发其它病症死亡的人也算上了。流感死亡80%左右是老年人，他们本来身体就弱，有的还有其它病症，流感只是诱因，但是这些也计算的。
然后，就是中国统计流感的时候，计算方法，数字可能都有点问题，这个不好多说，毕竟实际数字大约只有中国官方知道，还可能他们自己也不知道呢。。。
好的，谢谢MM！明知道是带节奏的不知道怎么反驳，我也太逊了。。
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(19)30163-X/fulltext
很简单，就是分母用错了，小学高年级数学题的水平
然后就是中国和欧美死亡原因的统计方法不一致
海外华人和国内人渐行渐远，这还只是开始，慢慢适应吧
你告诉他千万别来。。。。最早也要等到七月份。。。。
真的是从未见过如此厚颜无耻的大外宣。。
的确是渐行渐远。从去年以来，我已经和中国那边好几个网友掰了。有的是离岸爱国者，看不得我说中国哪里不好（我还没有说什么啊，我就说国内假新闻太多）；有的是信息差异太大；还有的就是粉红五毛，比如上去就抡一棒子要打死hk“废青”那种。。。没办法
华人上礼拜六就出现“流感可怕论”了，当时还觉得是有的人无知；现在看，这就是官方定调啊，琢磨了20天，琢磨出来怎么糊弄中国人了。。
我也收到了，也是今天。
正好，大家也别来往了，互相隔离，过了这段时间再说吧。
是
今年反而是比较轻 去年都比今年严重
国内也脱销了😄
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html你看看表格
表格上没看到6600， 和1300万。这两个数哪来的？
仔细看了，儿童死亡人数为39，全美死亡人数为6600
来源：https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/
你这个也不准确，那39个人只是儿童
ESTIMATE知道是什么意思吧，是估计，不是实际数字。
欧美都是用统计模型来估算的
流感死亡80%以上是65岁以上的老人
People 65 Years and Older & Influenza
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/highrisk/65over.htm
It has been recognized for many years that people 65 years and older are at high risk of developing serious complications from flu compared with young, healthy adults. This is in part because human immune defenses become weaker with increasing age. While flu seasons can vary in severity, during most seasons, people 65 years and older bear the greatest burden of severe flu disease. In recent years, for example, it’s estimated that between about 70 percent and 85 percent of seasonal flu-related deaths have occurred in people 65 years and older, and between 50 percent and 70 percent of seasonal flu-related hospitalizations have occurred among people in this age group. So, influenza is often quite serious for people 65 and older.
这次武汉肺炎没撑过去的是不是也大多数是老人？
这是普通流感，全世界都一样严重，病毒才不管你是哪国人，每年大张旗鼓打流感疫苗可不是闹着玩的