只收现金的工作如何缴税?

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heiseyoumo
楼主 (北美华人网)
比如只收tip现金的工作,IRS没有记录,岂不是不用缴税?
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ziwang
没有记录不等同于合法。 楼主是法盲吧?
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shenmegui
那些只收cash的地主怎么缴? 应该一个意思吧
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heiseyoumo
没有记录不等同于合法。

楼主是法盲吧?
ziwang 发表于 1/6/2020 4:29:38 PM

我工作不是受tip的,只是偶然和一人聊天谈起他的现金收入,对方很自豪自己不需要交税。好奇即使不交税违法了也没有证据啊,IRS如何追究呢?
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jokerzzz
回复1楼heiseyoumo 是啊 你就别交税吧
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YouyiM
法律规定所有收入都要申报。关于Tips的可以看下面的IRS的细则。 Report all tips on an individual income tax return An employee must use Form 4137, Social Security and Medicare Tax on Unreported Tip Income, to report the amount of any unreported tip income to include as additional wages on their Form 1040, U.S. Individual Income Tax Return, and the employee share of social security and Medicare tax owed on those tips. https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/tip-recordkeeping-and-reporting
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heiseyoumo
回复 3楼shenmegui的帖子 不知道只收cash的地主怎么缴,所以好奇啊。人家挣了5000现金,就说自己挣500,IRS能怎么着。
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schrodingerh
中餐馆收现金各种逃税,很正常
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lilimarah
那些福建开餐馆的都偷税漏税啊。。。。
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YouyiM
那些福建开餐馆的都偷税漏税啊。。。。
lilimarah 发表于 1/6/2020 4:38:52 PM

他们基本开啥店都逃税。。
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ziwang

我工作不是受tip的,只是偶然和一人聊天谈起他的现金收入,对方很自豪自己不需要交税。好奇即使不交税违法了也没有证据啊,IRS如何追究呢?

heiseyoumo 发表于 1/6/2020 4:35:16 PM


话说你去超市偷点小东西也很有可能不被发现的,你是不是要去偷一下呢?
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xfx
简单讲,查不到。irs也不会去查。
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heiseyoumo


话说你去超市偷点小东西也很有可能不被发现的,你是不是要去偷一下呢?

ziwang 发表于 1/6/2020 4:49:34 PM话不能这么说

去加州偷点东西都不算违法的吧?哈哈。
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YouyiM

我工作不是受tip的,只是偶然和一人聊天谈起他的现金收入,对方很自豪自己不需要交税。好奇即使不交税违法了也没有证据啊,IRS如何追究呢?

heiseyoumo 发表于 1/6/2020 4:35:16 PM


查这种现金收入比较重的人,IRS一般用的是Indirect Method,例如lifestyle audit。IRS可以reconstruct一个人的expenditures,然后估算那个人大概收入。

其实IRS有很多数据来给税表打分数,也知道每年的tax gap大概是多少。很多人不被查是因为人手不够。
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YouyiM
以后AI完善了后,被查的人可能会越来越多。 The IRS launched a new chapter of its AI program with the signing of a seven-year, $99 million deal with Palantir Technologies in late 2018. With an ever-shrinking budget and a loss of about 150 agents per year due to attrition, the IRS is deploying machine learning, natural language processing, and graph analytics to successfully identify instances of fraud and illegality before financial loss occurs. The IRS plans to mine data from tax returns, property returns, bank reports, and even social media accounts. The project will then employ algorithms and AI to identify patterns where taxpayer noncompliance might be present. In addition, the IRS will use natural language processing – technology that enables a computer to read and translate filings, as well as contemplate their meaning, which, will help predict IRS success in its appeals process. Through language processing, machine learning is able to provide indicators of why appeals were either won or lost, and thereby, provide the probability of future success for cases with similar facts. In a cost-conscious environment, the IRS is under pressure to be smarter about how it selects cases that are most likely to conclude well. In a webcast hosted by the American Bar Association, the IRS revealed comparative data for the use of this technology and fraud detection. As an illustration, AI technology is able to spot 296 suspected fraudulent returns claiming nearly $1.3 million, according to Benjamin Herndon, IRS Chief Analytics Officer. Previously, 84 percent of these returns had not been flagged during manual review by agents. The application of this technology means that the IRS can better uncover blind spots. As Todd Egaas, IRS Director of Technology, Operations and Investigative Services, reminded during the webcast, “We are a small agency tasked with enforcing tax law across 250 million Americans.”
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heiseyoumo


查这种现金收入比较重的人,IRS一般用的是Indirect Method,例如lifestyle audit。IRS可以reconstruct一个人的expenditures,然后估算那个人大概收入。

其实IRS有很多数据来给税表打分数,也知道每年的tax gap大概是多少。很多人不被查是因为人手不够。

YouyiM 发表于 1/6/2020 5:05:23 PM

谢谢分享。感觉还有个办法就是看银行存款?一般挣的现金也存银行吧,不知是不是如此。
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heiseyoumo
以后AI完善了后,被查的人可能会越来越多。

The IRS launched a new chapter of its AI program with the signing of a seven-year, $99 million deal with Palantir Technologies in late 2018. With an ever-shrinking budget and a loss of about 150 agents per year due to attrition, the IRS is deploying machine learning, natural language processing, and graph analytics to successfully identify instances of fraud and illegality before financial loss occurs.

The IRS plans to mine data from tax returns, property returns, bank reports, and even social media accounts. The project will then employ algorithms and AI to identify patterns where taxpayer noncompliance might be present. In addition, the IRS will use natural language processing – technology that enables a computer to read and translate filings, as well as contemplate their meaning, which, will help predict IRS success in its appeals process. Through language processing, machine learning is able to provide indicators of why appeals were either won or lost, and thereby, provide the probability of future success for cases with similar facts. In a cost-conscious environment, the IRS is under pressure to be smarter about how it selects cases that are most likely to conclude well.

In a webcast hosted by the American Bar Association, the IRS revealed comparative data for the use of this technology and fraud detection. As an illustration, AI technology is able to spot 296 suspected fraudulent returns claiming nearly $1.3 million, according to Benjamin Herndon, IRS Chief Analytics Officer. Previously, 84 percent of these returns had not been flagged during manual review by agents. The application of this technology means that the IRS can better uncover blind spots. As Todd Egaas, IRS Director of Technology, Operations and Investigative Services, reminded during the webcast, “We are a small agency tasked with enforcing tax law across 250 million Americans.”
YouyiM 发表于 1/6/2020 5:08:48 PM


不过还是好奇如果这个偷税漏税的人就不把钱存银行也不用信用卡消费。全用现金的话,IRS如何依靠AI查呢?
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YouyiM

谢谢分享。感觉还有个办法就是看银行存款?一般挣的现金也存银行吧,不知是不是如此。

heiseyoumo 发表于 1/6/2020 5:09:10 PM


一般是看开销还有你的net worth,然后对比你申报多少收入和其它cash的来源(例如gift或者inheritance)。

赚现金的很多存保险箱,只有那些怕不安全的存银行,甚至有的寄回国。。。

A simple T-Account is the method most often used by IRS revenue agents when trying to determine if Taxpayer income has been underreported or not reported. The sources of cash funds are noted on the left side of the T-Account and expenditures of cash funds on the right side. An “imbalance” of the assets minus liabilities is examined year over year and has to be explained by the Taxpayer. If unexplained Net Worth increases year after year, there is a presumption that the increase in net worth originated from unreported income. The T-Account method is also known as the Net Worth Method. It was the methodology used by the US Government to convict the notorious criminal, Al Capone.
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SweetBerry
查不到 你也别操心了
不过还是好奇如果这个偷税漏税的人就不把钱存银行也不用信用卡消费。全用现金的话,IRS如何依靠AI查呢? heiseyoumo 发表于 1/6/2020 5:10:00 PM
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YouyiM


不过还是好奇如果这个偷税漏税的人就不把钱存银行也不用信用卡消费。全用现金的话,IRS如何依靠AI查呢?

heiseyoumo 发表于 1/6/2020 5:10:51 PM


lifestyle audit。看你的居住的地方,当地的消费水平,然后对比收入。。。
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tasukilover
not going to be caught unless you are talking about millions of dollar.
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oqo


不过还是好奇如果这个偷税漏税的人就不把钱存银行也不用信用卡消费。全用现金的话,IRS如何依靠AI查呢?

heiseyoumo 发表于 1/6/2020 5:10:51 PM

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水水代
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heiseyoumo


一般是看开销还有你的net worth,然后对比你申报多少收入和其它cash的来源(例如gift或者inheritance)。

赚现金的很多存保险箱,只有那些怕不安全的存银行,甚至有的寄回国。。。

A simple T-Account is the method most often used by IRS revenue agents when trying to determine if Taxpayer income has been underreported or not reported. The sources of cash funds are noted on the left side of the T-Account and expenditures of cash funds on the right side. An “imbalance” of the assets minus liabilities is examined year over year and has to be explained by the Taxpayer. If unexplained Net Worth increases year after year, there is a presumption that the increase in net worth originated from unreported income. The T-Account method is also known as the Net Worth Method. It was the methodology used by the US Government to convict the notorious criminal, Al Capone.
YouyiM 发表于 1/6/2020 5:17:23 PM

哇,mm好厉害。不过如果偷税漏税的人完全用现金付款现金买房怎么查啊。再有,偷税漏税的人可以声称自己的消费都是成人子女付款的啊,比如房子保险都是子女帮着买的。
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aac

哇,mm好厉害。不过如果偷税漏税的人完全用现金付款现金买房怎么查啊。再有,偷税漏税的人可以声称自己的消费都是成人子女付款的啊,比如房子保险都是子女帮着买的。

heiseyoumo 发表于 1/6/2020 6:07:22 PM


上回看新闻一女的交代不出资金来源,房子被收掉.
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ziwang

去加州偷点东西都不算违法的吧?哈哈。

heiseyoumo 发表于 1/6/2020 5:03:39 PM


一看就是华右SB文章看多了。

哪个告诉你不犯法的?
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complicated
想交就交,不想也可以不交,现金工作没办法查的
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singsongs
怎么感觉楼主像是来套话的啊
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fishandtree

谢谢分享。感觉还有个办法就是看银行存款?一般挣的现金也存银行吧,不知是不是如此。

heiseyoumo 发表于 1/6/2020 5:09:10 PM

唐人街很多老板很爱放现金在家的,或者金条,首饰什么的,抢劫的都门清,所以很喜欢抢这种做生意的华人家。
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aiyamayayongle
回复7楼heiseyoumo 有经验的房客可以利用这个把房东操弄得欲仙欲死。
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aiyamayayongle
回复0楼 不是没法查,是犯不上,否则一个合格的CPA就能完成任务。
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heiseyoumo
怎么感觉楼主像是来套话的啊
singsongs 发表于 1/6/2020 6:41:44 PM

当然是来套话的,不过更贴切的是听挣现金不交税的那位“眼红”
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DSL925
说起这个,我前段时间遇到一个朋友带出来一个福州男的.很自豪的说,做工程判头,也偷税漏税的厉害.家里一大堆的现金,口口声声说我一笔过买一栋6个家庭的house都没问题. (我心想,那你去买啊,看看能不能买到) .还教我们怎么可以少报点,说什么找个教会捐点东西也能退税.他没有申请信用卡,银行存款也不多,拿着医疗卡,开着benz.特不爽这样的人!
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sswyu
现金买房都是扯淡, 1万以上的现金交易的都要申报irs 的.你们让他们试试敢不敢.
风吹屁股
越是穷的人,越担心自己是不是做错了(比如少交税),别人是不是占了自己的便宜(比如吃福利)。在这个框架下,能少交不给查的就是对的,能吃福利的不吃就是傻的。等有钱了,你就知道那些都peanut,捐钱也是应该的
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shenmegui
回复 7楼heiseyoumo的帖子 我猜他们不报,尤其是出租自宅的
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allyoucaneat18
回复17楼heiseyoumo的帖子 不是,这就是为什么抢劫都抢华人家原因
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sweetme
现金的收入因为没记录就看自觉想报多少报多少了
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heartone

哇,mm好厉害。不过如果偷税漏税的人完全用现金付款现金买房怎么查啊。再有,偷税漏税的人可以声称自己的消费都是成人子女付款的啊,比如房子保险都是子女帮着买的。

heiseyoumo 发表于 1/6/2020 6:07:22 PM

不是怎么查,就看你值不值得查,普通人应付点文件还行,真能扛得住经侦式的调查么?

成人子女付款,成人子女的钱哪里来?
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qqzjqqzj
所以我觉得国内厉害 现金都没地方用了 街边买水果都没钱找 挣多少太容易查了 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
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EEswine
回复 3楼shenmegui的帖子

不知道只收cash的地主怎么缴,所以好奇啊。人家挣了5000现金,就说自己挣500,IRS能怎么着。
heiseyoumo 发表于 1/6/2020 4:36:43 PM


有不动产的不敢那么过分吧,再说收了现金不存银行,放床底下?
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Ricey
只收现金,不存银行,在银行开个保险柜放cash;有身份的赚3000 报几百块,只要银行的数据和报的差不多就好了,需要花钱的地方基本上cash ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP