没人聊这个大新闻吗?国会今天12/19通过了史上最重要的关于存401K的新规定

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https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/19/congress-approves-major-changes-to-how-you-save-for-retirement.html

Congress approves major changes to how you save for retirement

The Secure Act was included in a spending bill approved by the Senate on Thursday and now heads to President Trump for his anticipated signature.
Changes include requiring businesses to let long-term, part-time workers become eligible for retirement benefits, and making it easier for small businesses to band together to offer retirement plans.
The provisions generally are funded by modifying the rules governing inherited retirement accounts, a move expected to generate $15.7 billion over 10 years in additional tax revenue.
The biggest legislative changes to America's retirement system in 13 years are on their way.

On Thursday, the U.S. Senate approved a spending bill that includes the bipartisan Secure Act, which aims to increase the ranks of retirement savers and the amount they put away. The measure — which passed the House earlier this week — now will head to President Trump, who is expected to sign it into law.
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版上的理财专家怎么看
未曾曾经
具体怎么改的?
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Cybercat
跟版上大部分人没关系吧?
long-term, part-time workers become eligible for retirement benefits, and making it easier for small businesses to band together to offer retirement plans.
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YouyiM
调高拿Required minimum distributions的年龄其实对富人有利。基本富人到RMD的年纪后都不想拿钱出来,好让钱继续钱滚钱。part time工人参加公司的401K计划意义不是很大了。基本赚那一点点,不会想放钱进去的。

The Setting Every Community Up for Retirement Enhancement (SECURE) Act includes a provision that would raise the age for IRA required minimum distributions and allow Americans over age 70 ½ to make traditional IRA contributions. It would also allow penalty-free retirement plan withdrawals for new parents and let part-time workers to participate in 401(k) plans with certain restrictions.
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Baguette
调高拿Required minimum distributions的年龄其实对富人有利。基本富人到RMD的年纪后都不想拿钱出来,好让钱继续钱滚钱。part time工人参加公司的401K计划意义不是很大了。基本赚那一点点,不会想放钱进去的。

The Setting Every Community Up for Retirement Enhancement (SECURE) Act includes a provision that would raise the age for IRA required minimum distributions and allow Americans over age 70 ½ to make traditional IRA contributions. It would also allow penalty-free retirement plan withdrawals for new parents and let part-time workers to participate in 401(k) plans with certain restrictions.
YouyiM 发表于 12/19/2019 11:13:26 PM

part time那个也不一定 有些带娃大妈自己老公赚的多够花,找个清闲的工作带娃,现在也可以存401k了,我觉得这样的其实挺多的 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
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rabbit1688
上次狐狸台听到共和党想允许 401k直接付学费,如果通过该多好,真正为中产省税了。

不过民主党这关肯定难过,中产不扒一层皮是不甘心的吧!
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把 发表于 12/19/2019 10:57:13 PM


这文章里啥也没说啊。
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Olympian
调高拿Required minimum distributions的年龄其实对富人有利。基本富人到RMD的年纪后都不想拿钱出来,好让钱继续钱滚钱。part time工人参加公司的401K计划意义不是很大了。基本赚那一点点,不会想放钱进去的。

The Setting Every Community Up for Retirement Enhancement (SECURE) Act includes a provision that would raise the age for IRA required minimum distributions and allow Americans over age 70 ½ to make traditional IRA contributions. It would also allow penalty-free retirement plan withdrawals for new parents and let part-time workers to participate in 401(k) plans with certain restrictions.
YouyiM 发表于 12/19/2019 11:13:26 PM


不只是富人吧?还有对地主婆,教授这些只要不需要早早拿出来用的人都有好处。
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YouyiM
part time那个也不一定 有些带娃大妈自己老公赚的多够花,找个清闲的工作带娃,现在也可以存401k了,我觉得这样的其实挺多的 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
Baguette 发表于 12/20/2019 9:07:49 AM

有些小雇主有可能把那些part-time的变成1099 contractor。这样就避过了这个401K改革所带来的影响了。
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Dr.Evil
调高拿Required minimum distributions的年龄其实对富人有利。基本富人到RMD的年纪后都不想拿钱出来,好让钱继续钱滚钱。part time工人参加公司的401K计划意义不是很大了。基本赚那一点点,不会想放钱进去的。

The Setting Every Community Up for Retirement Enhancement (SECURE) Act includes a provision that would raise the age for IRA required minimum distributions and allow Americans over age 70 ½ to make traditional IRA contributions. It would also allow penalty-free retirement plan withdrawals for new parents and let part-time workers to participate in 401(k) plans with certain restrictions.
YouyiM 发表于 12/19/2019 11:13:26 PM


错。
很多人拿多个PART TIME薪水
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YouyiM


错。
很多人拿多个PART TIME薪水

Dr.Evil 发表于 12/20/2019 10:14:10 AM

很多老外都是月月清,我见到的打几份part-time的人收入都不高,报税的时候连几千的IRA都不想存。
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Dr.Evil

很多老外都是月月清,我见到的打几份part-time的人收入都不高,报税的时候连几千的IRA都不想存。

YouyiM 发表于 12/20/2019 10:20:06 AM


存不存在个人,但又这个OPTION是好事,也很重要。
就像产假,FAMILY LEAVE一样。
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YouyiM


存不存在个人,但又这个OPTION是好事,也很重要。
就像产假,FAMILY LEAVE一样。

Dr.Evil 发表于 12/20/2019 10:29:50 AM


有这种option,participants多了(多了那些兼职的存一点点或者不存的),新的规矩意味着additional reporting和compliance, 这样 401K的fee也水涨船高了。那些钱放进去多的员工因为plan fee涨了investment return减少了。
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superppdd
这要是真的就太好了,但也觉得不太可能


上次狐狸台听到共和党想允许 401k直接付学费,如果通过该多好,真正为中产省税了。
不过民主党这关肯定难过,中产不扒一层皮是不甘心的吧!

rabbit1688 发表于 12/20/2019 9:29:00 AM
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Dr.Evil


有这种option,participants多了(多了那些兼职的存一点点或者不存的),新的规矩意味着additional reporting和compliance, 这样 401K的fee也水涨船高了。那些钱放进去多的员工因为plan fee涨了investment return减少了。

YouyiM 发表于 12/20/2019 10:47:07 AM


你这什么逻辑。
401K是ECONONY OF SCALE,基本上存进去越多,FEE越低。


你这什么逻辑。
401K是ECONONY OF SCALE,基本上存进去越多,FEE越低。

Dr.Evil 发表于 12/20/2019 11:07:33 AM


真的吗?fee不是按照你多少钱总数的百分比来的么?
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aiyamayayongle
67岁才能开始拿社保,这个不改,别的改不改无所谓。
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Dr.Evil


真的吗?fee不是按照你多少钱总数的百分比来的么?

把 发表于 12/20/2019 11:11:40 AM

基金的规模越大,通常FEE会越低。另外还和历史PERFORMANCE挂钩。
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YouyiM


你这什么逻辑。
401K是ECONONY OF SCALE,基本上存进去越多,FEE越低。

Dr.Evil 发表于 12/20/2019 11:07:33 AM


那些part-time的能存进去多少?这种Plan participants的增加不代表Plan assets会增加多少。但是新法规所带来的additional reporting和compliance的cost会被那些401K公司作为借口来增加费用。

我以前因为一个客人的401k的事情和ADP打过交道,ADP说一个允许part-time employees的plan的收费比允许full time的更高。如果雇主不想把费用自己扛,员工投资的fund的expense ratio更高。
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rate ?
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lilimarah

上次狐狸台听到共和党想允许 401k直接付学费,如果通过该多好,真正为中产省税了。

不过民主党这关肯定难过,中产不扒一层皮是不甘心的吧!

rabbit1688 发表于 12/20/2019 9:29:13 AM


恩 民主党票仓才不在乎401K,不是根本没存,就是钱太多不care 401K
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amd06

恩 民主党票仓才不在乎401K,不是根本没存,就是钱太多不care 401K

lilimarah 发表于 12/20/2019 6:39:23 PM

主党从富人和穷人刮不来钱,就只好刮中产了