美国移民签证须证明能承担医保

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Jiesong
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Jiesong
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zhimahu
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挺好的
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xxhz0909
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啥叫移民签证?
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proudprincess
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亲属移民呢
焱焱
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Trump Will Deny Immigrant Visas to Those Who Can’t Pay for Health Care
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/04/us/immigrant-visas-health-care.html
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magicbaby
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挺好的,我支持,我爸妈在这里看病全部自费,其实也没多少钱,真有大病可以和医院讲价分期付款,没有必要占免费医疗便宜。
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dukenyc125
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国内翻译错了,其实这次推出的新规说,非移民签证面谈时候需要出示保险,父母探亲麻烦了。不是移民签证。

今早微博热搜

Jiesong 发表于 10/5/2019 8:38:26 AM [url=https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2459417&postid=81538906#81538906][/url]


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ScottishFold
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这个新规11月三日生效,川普引用了现成的移民法,以前只是美国没严格执行

Sec. 7. Effective Date. This proclamation is effective at 12:01 a.m. eastern daylight time on November 3, 2019.

新规规定移民签证申请者必须证明有雇主医保,或者购买了没有政府补贴的医保。非移民签证看上去也需要买短期保险,具体细节在白宫网站上面有公布

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/presidential-proclamation-suspension-entry-immigrants-will-financially-burden-united-states-healthcare-system/

NOW, THEREFORE, I, DONALD J. TRUMP, by the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including sections 212(f) and 215(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1182(f) and 1185(a)) and section 301 of title 3, United States Code, hereby find that the unrestricted immigrant entry into the United States of persons described in section 1 of this proclamation would, except as provided for in section 2 of this proclamation, be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and that their entry should be subject to certain restrictions, limitations, and exceptions. I therefore hereby proclaim the following:

Section 1. Suspension and Limitation on Entry. (a) The entry into the United States as immigrants of aliens who will financially burden the United States healthcare system is hereby suspended and limited subject to section 2 of this proclamation. An alien will financially burden the United States healthcare system unless the alien will be covered by approved health insurance, as defined in subsection (b) of this section, within 30 days of the alien’s entry into the United States, or unless the alien possesses the financial resources to pay for reasonably foreseeable medical costs.

(b) Approved health insurance means coverage under any of the following plans or programs:

(i) an employer-sponsored plan, including a retiree plan, association health plan, and coverage provided by the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985;

(ii) an unsubsidized health plan offered in the individual market within a State;

(iii) a short-term limited duration health policy effective for a minimum of 364 days — or until the beginning of planned, extended travel outside the United States;

(iv) a catastrophic plan;

(v) a family member’s plan;

(vi) a medical plan under chapter 55 of title 10, United States Code, including coverage under the TRICARE program;

(vii) a visitor health insurance plan that provides adequate coverage for medical care for a minimum of 364 days — or until the beginning of planned, extended travel outside the United States;

(viii) a medical plan under the Medicare program; or

(ix) any other health plan that provides adequate coverage for medical care as determined by the Secretary of Health and Human Services or his designee.

(c) For persons over the age of 18, approved health insurance does not include coverage under the Medicaid program.

Sec. 2. Scope of Suspension and Limitation on Entry. (a) Section 1 of this proclamation shall apply only to aliens seeking to enter the United States pursuant to an immigrant visa.

(b) Section 1 of this proclamation shall not apply to:

(i) any alien holding a valid immigrant visa issued before the effective date of this proclamation;

(ii) any alien seeking to enter the United States pursuant to a Special Immigrant Visa, in either the SI or SQ classification, who is also a national of Afghanistan or Iraq, or his or her spouse and children, if any;

(iii) any alien who is the child of a United States citizen or who is seeking to enter the United States pursuant to an IR-2, IR-3, IR-4, IH-3, or IH-4 visa;

(iv) any alien seeking to enter the United States pursuant to an IR-5 visa, provided that the alien or the alien’s sponsor demonstrates to the satisfaction of the consular officer that the alien’s healthcare will not impose a substantial burden on the United States healthcare system;

(v) any alien seeking to enter the United States pursuant to a SB-1 visa;

(vi) any alien under the age of 18, except for any alien accompanying a parent who is also immigrating to the United States and subject to this proclamation;

(vii) any alien whose entry would further important United States law enforcement objectives, as determined by the Secretary of State or his designee based on a recommendation of the Attorney General or his designee; or

(viii) any alien whose entry would be in the national interest, as determined by the Secretary of State or his designee on a case-by-case basis.

(c) Consistent with subsection (a) of this section, this proclamation does not affect the entry of aliens entering the United States through means other than immigrant visas, including lawful permanent residents. Further, nothing in this proclamation shall be construed to affect any individual’s eligibility for asylum, refugee status, withholding of removal, or protection under the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, consistent with the laws and regulations of the United States.

Sec. 3. Implementation and Enforcement. (a) An alien subject to this proclamation must establish that he or she meets its requirements, to the satisfaction of a consular officer, before the adjudication and issuance of an immigrant visa. The Secretary of State may establish standards and procedures governing such determinations.

(b) The review required by subsection (a) of this section is separate and independent from the review and determination required by other statutes, regulations, or proclamations in determining the admissibility of an alien.

(c) An alien who circumvents the application of this proclamation through fraud, willful misrepresentation of a material fact, or illegal entry shall be a priority for removal by the Department of Homeland Security.

Sec. 4. Reports on the Financial Burdens Imposed by Immigrants on the Healthcare System. (a) The Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of Health and Human Services, the Secretary of Homeland Security, and the heads of other appropriate agencies, shall submit to the President a report regarding:

(i) the continued necessity of and any adjustments that may be warranted to the suspension and limitation on entry in section 1 of this proclamation; and

(ii) other measures that may be warranted to protect the integrity of the United States healthcare system.

(b) The report required by subsection (a) of this section shall be submitted within 180 days of the effective date of this proclamation, with subsequent reports submitted annually thereafter throughout the effective duration of the suspension and limitation on entry set forth in section 1 of this proclamation. If the Secretary of State, in consultation with the heads of other appropriate executive departments and agencies, determines that circumstances no longer warrant the continued effectiveness of the suspension or limitation on entry set forth in section 1 of this proclamation or that circumstances warrant additional measures, the Secretary shall immediately so advise the President.

(c) The Secretary of State and Secretary of Health and Human Services shall coordinate any policy recommendations associated with the reports described in subsection (a) of this section.

Sec. 5. Severability. It is the policy of the United States to enforce this proclamation to the maximum extent possible to advance the interests of the United States.
焱焱
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亲属移民呢
proudprincess 发表于 10/5/2019 8:45:23 AM


首当其冲
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这是卡想合法进入美国的人吧?非法移民才是大头
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ggbreeze
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这是卡想合法进入美国的人吧?非法移民才是大头
猜 发表于 10/5/2019 9:07:53 AM


非移过海关吗?就是卡合法的呀,这是给保险公司白送钱
大衣被禁
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(c) Consistent with subsection (a) of this section, this proclamation does not affect the entry of aliens entering the United States through means other than immigrant visas, including lawful permanent residents. Further, nothing in this proclamation shall be construed to affect any individual’s eligibility for asylum, refugee status, withholding of removal, or protection under the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, consistent with the laws and regulations of the United States.

这是什么乱七八糟的。
就是说b1也不需要,green card也不需要,连政避都不需要?!
焱焱
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地主家也没余粮了,要来安家请自带粮食柴火。
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proudprincess
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那就是B2来美国没问题 但是在这申请移民绿卡要递交这个证明了?
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phstat
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至少淫民签证,非淫民签证不需要保险
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ScottishFold
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这是卡想合法进入美国的人吧?非法移民才是大头
猜 发表于 10/5/2019 9:07:53 AM


是卡进来占美国便宜的,其它国家都卡,当然美国也可以卡,而且有钱的照样能进来。至于非法移民,美国缺钱照样也会砍福利的,即使是加州,福利吃破产最后都没得吃。
白宫网站上说了,不卡美国医院很多要破产了,因为很多人看病不付钱

The costs associated with this care are passed on to the American people in the form of higher taxes, higher premiums, and higher fees for medical services. In total, uncompensated care costs — the overall measure of unreimbursed services that hospitals give their patients — have exceeded $35 billion in each of the last 10 years. These costs amount to approximately $7 million on average for each hospital in the United States, and can drive hospitals into insolvency.
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ScottishFold
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(c) Consistent with subsection (a) of this section, this proclamation does not affect the entry of aliens entering the United States through means other than immigrant visas, including lawful permanent residents. Further, nothing in this proclamation shall be construed to affect any individual’s eligibility for asylum, refugee status, withholding of removal, or protection under the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, consistent with the laws and regulations of the United States.

这是什么乱七八糟的。
就是说b1也不需要,green card也不需要,连政避都不需要?!
大衣被禁 发表于 10/5/2019 9:11:55 AM


是你英文不好,这个主要打击的就是申请绿卡移民的,打击链式移民吃福利的。 IMMIGRANT VISAS包括 lawful permanent residents,
大衣被禁
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我觉得是你英文不好吧。
我理解是现在permanent residence是不需要visa的,所以是不需要证明的。
我教一下语法上是怎么样的。
“Lawful permanent residents” is a subset of “aliens entering the United States through means other than immigrant visas”
而不是 a subset of “immigrant visa”, because residents are people not visas!

你这个语法不像考过标准考试的哦~

是你英文不好,这个主要打击的就是申请绿卡移民的,打击链式移民吃福利的。 IMMIGRANT VISAS包括 lawful permanent residents,

ScottishFold 发表于 10/5/2019 9:48:00 AM
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habibi
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那就是B2来美国没问题 但是在这申请移民绿卡要递交这个证明了?
proudprincess 发表于 10/5/2019 9:23:37 AM

貌似也不用因为在美国直接申请绿卡不走consular processing,不需要签证,但是可能会对资产要求比以前更严格,光过那贫困线估计不够
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habibi
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我觉得是你英文不好吧。
我理解是现在permanent residence是不需要visa的,所以是不需要证明的。


是你英文不好,这个主要打击的就是申请绿卡移民的,打击链式移民吃福利的。 IMMIGRANT VISAS包括 lawful permanent residents,

ScottishFold 发表于 10/5/2019 9:48:00 AM


大衣被禁 发表于 10/5/2019 9:50:58 AM

你是对的,但是如果是本国申请绿卡,那就需要签证了,在美国申请没关系,所以父母来了美国再申请的不受这个影响。难民政避也不影响,非法移民更不影响了。感觉根本没限制什么,就是为了拉选票做做样子罢了。
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ScottishFold
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我觉得是你英文不好吧。
我理解是现在permanent residence是不需要visa的,所以是不需要证明的。
我教一下语法上是怎么样的。
“Lawful permanent residents” is a subset of “aliens entering the United States through means other than immigrant visas”
而不是 a subset of “immigrant visa”, because residents are people not visas!

你这个语法不像考过标准考试的哦~

大衣被禁 发表于 10/5/2019 9:50:58 AM


我不需要什么语法,我肯定是正确的。
大衣被禁
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那你下次用你“permanent resident visa”的时候记得带上保险证明,别被人没收啦~


我不需要什么语法,我肯定是正确的。

ScottishFold 发表于 10/5/2019 10:26:00 AM
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ScottishFold
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你是对的,但是如果是本国申请绿卡,那就需要签证了,在美国申请没关系,所以父母来了美国再申请的不受这个影响。难民政避也不影响,非法移民更不影响了。感觉根本没限制什么,就是为了拉选票做做样子罢了。

habibi 发表于 10/5/2019 9:58:23 AM


其实绿卡申请指的就是PERMANENT IMMIGRANT VISA,在哪里申请都一样。
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feizai2017
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回复7楼magicbaby的帖子
我支持你自费看病!
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ScottishFold
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那你下次用你“permanent resident visa”的时候记得带上保险证明,别被人没收啦~

大衣被禁 发表于 10/5/2019 10:29:23 AM


你不用跟我咬文嚼字,在美国政府眼里,绿卡申请就是permanent resident visa的申请。
大衣被禁
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你说的对。所以我让你带上出国记得带上保险啊~


你不用跟我咬文嚼字,在美国政府眼里,绿卡申请就是一种permanent resident visa。

ScottishFold 发表于 10/5/2019 10:33:00 AM
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ScottishFold
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Trump to Protect U.S. Taxpayers from Subsidizing Health Care for Immigrants
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/04/trump-to-protect-u-s-taxpayers-from-subsidizing-health-care-for-immigrants/

In a new rule, beginning November 3, foreign nationals applying for visas — not including refugees, asylees, or those on nonimmigrant visas — will have to prove that they will have either employer-based health insurance before arriving in the U.S. or a non-subsidized private health insurance plan.

The rule means that foreign nationals with serious health issues and no means to pay for health insurance will not be eligible to obtain visas to permanently begin resettling in the U.S. — saving American taxpayers billions in subsidized costs.
抹茶红豆包
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申请绿卡的是H类吧。就是带移民倾向的。
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ScottishFold
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美国签证分为临时签证和移民签证,都是VISA,只不过前者是非移民签证,后者是PERMANENT IMMIGRANT VISA,都是VISA。
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ScottishFold
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那你下次用你“permanent resident visa”的时候记得带上保险证明,别被人没收啦~

大衣被禁 发表于 10/5/2019 10:29:23 AM


哈哈,我不需要什么VISA。而且PERMANENT IMMIGRANT VISA 不是PERMANENT RESIDENT VISA,IMMIGRANT和RESIDENT不是一个词,而且你只是提出申请而已,没有雇主或者非政府补贴的保险根本你绿卡申请都不会批的。
大衣被禁
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哈哈哈哈。
Permanent immigrant visa.
你太牛啦~
你说的对!


哈哈,我不需要什么VISA。而且PERMANENT IMMIGRANT VISA 不是PERMANENT RESIDENT VISA,IMMIGRANT和RESIDENT不是一个词,而且你只是提出申请而已,没有雇主或者非政府补贴的保险根本你绿卡申请都不会批的。

ScottishFold 发表于 10/5/2019 10:42:00 AM
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ScottishFold
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哈哈哈哈。
Permanent immigrant visa.
你太牛啦~
你说的对!

大衣被禁 发表于 10/5/2019 10:45:23 AM


我当然牛了,你以为川普发这个是为了什么,就让你在这里玩文字游戏吗。
大衣被禁
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对的!
法律条规不是扣文字的!
是按您对领导精神的理解的。


我当然牛了,你以为川普发这个是为了什么,就让你在这里玩文字游戏吗。

ScottishFold 发表于 10/5/2019 10:47:00 AM
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Yesenia2019
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新规规定移民签证申请者必须证明有雇主医保,或者购买了没有政府补贴的医保。非移民签证看上去也需要买短期保险,具体细节在白宫网站上面有公布

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/presidential-proclamation-suspension-entry-immigrants-will-financially-burden-united-states-healthcare-system/

NOW, THEREFORE, I, DONALD J. TRUMP, by the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including sections 212(f) and 215(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1182(f) and 1185(a)) and section 301 of title 3, United States Code, hereby find that the unrestricted immigrant entry into the United States of persons described in section 1 of this proclamation would, except as provided for in section 2 of this proclamation, be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and that their entry should be subject to certain restrictions, limitations, and exceptions. I therefore hereby proclaim the following:

Section 1. Suspension and Limitation on Entry. (a) The entry into the United States as immigrants of aliens who will financially burden the United States healthcare system is hereby suspended and limited subject to section 2 of this proclamation. An alien will financially burden the United States healthcare system unless the alien will be covered by approved health insurance, as defined in subsection (b) of this section, within 30 days of the alien’s entry into the United States, or unless the alien possesses the financial resources to pay for reasonably foreseeable medical costs.

(b) Approved health insurance means coverage under any of the following plans or programs:

(i) an employer-sponsored plan, including a retiree plan, association health plan, and coverage provided by the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985;

(ii) an unsubsidized health plan offered in the individual market within a State;

(iii) a short-term limited duration health policy effective for a minimum of 364 days — or until the beginning of planned, extended travel outside the United States;

(iv) a catastrophic plan;

(v) a family member’s plan;

(vi) a medical plan under chapter 55 of title 10, United States Code, including coverage under the TRICARE program;

(vii) a visitor health insurance plan that provides adequate coverage for medical care for a minimum of 364 days — or until the beginning of planned, extended travel outside the United States;

(viii) a medical plan under the Medicare program; or

(ix) any other health plan that provides adequate coverage for medical care as determined by the Secretary of Health and Human Services or his designee.

(c) For persons over the age of 18, approved health insurance does not include coverage under the Medicaid program.

Sec. 2. Scope of Suspension and Limitation on Entry. (a) Section 1 of this proclamation shall apply only to aliens seeking to enter the United States pursuant to an immigrant visa.

(b) Section 1 of this proclamation shall not apply to:

(i) any alien holding a valid immigrant visa issued before the effective date of this proclamation;

(ii) any alien seeking to enter the United States pursuant to a Special Immigrant Visa, in either the SI or SQ classification, who is also a national of Afghanistan or Iraq, or his or her spouse and children, if any;

(iii) any alien who is the child of a United States citizen or who is seeking to enter the United States pursuant to an IR-2, IR-3, IR-4, IH-3, or IH-4 visa;

(iv) any alien seeking to enter the United States pursuant to an IR-5 visa, provided that the alien or the alien’s sponsor demonstrates to the satisfaction of the consular officer that the alien’s healthcare will not impose a substantial burden on the United States healthcare system;

(v) any alien seeking to enter the United States pursuant to a SB-1 visa;

(vi) any alien under the age of 18, except for any alien accompanying a parent who is also immigrating to the United States and subject to this proclamation;

(vii) any alien whose entry would further important United States law enforcement objectives, as determined by the Secretary of State or his designee based on a recommendation of the Attorney General or his designee; or

(viii) any alien whose entry would be in the national interest, as determined by the Secretary of State or his designee on a case-by-case basis.

(c) Consistent with subsection (a) of this section, this proclamation does not affect the entry of aliens entering the United States through means other than immigrant visas, including lawful permanent residents. Further, nothing in this proclamation shall be construed to affect any individual’s eligibility for asylum, refugee status, withholding of removal, or protection under the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, consistent with the laws and regulations of the United States.

Sec. 3. Implementation and Enforcement. (a) An alien subject to this proclamation must establish that he or she meets its requirements, to the satisfaction of a consular officer, before the adjudication and issuance of an immigrant visa. The Secretary of State may establish standards and procedures governing such determinations.

(b) The review required by subsection (a) of this section is separate and independent from the review and determination required by other statutes, regulations, or proclamations in determining the admissibility of an alien.

(c) An alien who circumvents the application of this proclamation through fraud, willful misrepresentation of a material fact, or illegal entry shall be a priority for removal by the Department of Homeland Security.

Sec. 4. Reports on the Financial Burdens Imposed by Immigrants on the Healthcare System. (a) The Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of Health and Human Services, the Secretary of Homeland Security, and the heads of other appropriate agencies, shall submit to the President a report regarding:

(i) the continued necessity of and any adjustments that may be warranted to the suspension and limitation on entry in section 1 of this proclamation; and

(ii) other measures that may be warranted to protect the integrity of the United States healthcare system.

(b) The report required by subsection (a) of this section shall be submitted within 180 days of the effective date of this proclamation, with subsequent reports submitted annually thereafter throughout the effective duration of the suspension and limitation on entry set forth in section 1 of this proclamation. If the Secretary of State, in consultation with the heads of other appropriate executive departments and agencies, determines that circumstances no longer warrant the continued effectiveness of the suspension or limitation on entry set forth in section 1 of this proclamation or that circumstances warrant additional measures, the Secretary shall immediately so advise the President.

(c) The Secretary of State and Secretary of Health and Human Services shall coordinate any policy recommendations associated with the reports described in subsection (a) of this section.

Sec. 5. Severability. It is the policy of the United States to enforce this proclamation to the maximum extent possible to advance the interests of the United States.

ScottishFold 发表于 10/5/2019 8:59:28 AM [/url]


蛮好…少了这些来消耗福利的商业医保费用应该可以降下来
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ScottishFold
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对的!
法律条规不是扣文字的!
是按您对领导精神的理解的。

大衣被禁 发表于 10/5/2019 10:54:31 AM


你是律师吗?美国政府有对法律执行的解释权,别太天真了。
罐头
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你卡这个语法没意义。
移民签证,意思就是让人拿着这个签证移民来美国的。大部分就是在走领事馆程序的绿卡申请人,原因可以是亲属,工作,抽签或者人道主义的各种program。一般是审核程序已经完成了,在领馆拿了移民签证,入境的时候在护照上盖个章(可以当绿卡用),然后过几个星期绿卡寄到家里。

只是这些人在领馆拿到移民签证还没入境时还不算lpr,入境了盖了临时绿卡章或者拿到绿卡才算lpr。所以才有字面上的区别。

那你下次用你“permanent resident visa”的时候记得带上保险证明,别被人没收啦~

大衣被禁 发表于 10/5/2019 10:29:00 AM
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ScottishFold
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你卡这个语法没意义。

移民签证,意思就是让人拿着这个签证移民来美国的。大部分就是在走领事馆程序的绿卡申请人,原因可以是亲属,工作,抽签或者人道主义的各种program。一般是审核程序已经完成了,在领馆拿了移民签证,入境的时候在护照上盖个章(可以当绿卡用),然后过几个星期绿卡寄到家里。

罐头 发表于 10/5/2019 11:19:47 AM


在美国本土提出绿卡申请的也是一样的,绿卡申请就是PERMANENT IMMIGRANT VISA的申请,之所以这么说,是为了区别非移民签证,其实绿卡申请也只不过是美国的长期居住签证,公民以外其实都是VISA申请的一种。这个法律的目的就是打击移民到美国来吃福利的。
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cannie
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旅游探亲签证也算immigration visa吗? 而且是哪种保险呢? 如果是国外买的旅游保险, 那根本不知道有没有效, 签证官也无从查起。 如果是强制买美国公司的保险, 这个应该是违法的吧?
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ScottishFold
40 楼
现在没入籍但是占用美国福利的移民老人都很危险,美国没钱非美籍吃福利的都危险。美国也会对老人子女追讨的,因为你当初签了经济担保。
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ScottishFold
41 楼
这是卡想合法进入美国的人吧?非法移民才是大头
猜 发表于 10/5/2019 9:07:53 AM


其实非法移民本来就不合法,美国现在政治风向右转,其实政府没钱的时候不想右转都要被迫右转,将来砍非法移民的福利是肯定的,将来工作的人日子会比吃福利的要好很多,而且非法移民很多做底层工作,外国人,尤其老人对美国没有任何贡献的就别想占美国便宜。
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waowao23
42 楼
早就该这样做了,地主家也没有余粮了。
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cccbehappy
43 楼
回复7楼magicbaby的帖子
有保险吗 大概一个月多少钱呢
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RolandQ
44 楼
其实这就是非移拖累了合法移民的典型例子,那些借着非移觉得可以浑水摸鱼的,可以醒醒了
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ScottishFold
45 楼
其实这就是非移拖累了合法移民的典型例子,那些借着非移觉得可以浑水摸鱼的,可以醒醒了
RolandQ 发表于 10/5/2019 12:20:29 PM


本来美国以前只有少数合法移民吃福利,福利体系才能维持,现在非法移民加进来,都要吃破产了,砍福利是必然的。
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RolandQ
46 楼


本来美国以前只有少数合法移民吃福利,福利体系才能维持,现在非法移民加进来,都要吃破产了,砍福利是必然的。

ScottishFold 发表于 10/5/2019 12:21:52 PM

的确,走到这一步是必然,做饼的速度赶不上吃饼的人数巨量暴涨
吃鸡蛋
47 楼
理论上非移也受影响的,非移最后也想变成合法的,比如靠结婚,公民儿女(dreamer)啥的
Anchor baby的父母指望移民也会受影响
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ScottishFold
48 楼
这个新规11月三日生效,川普引用了现成的移民法,以前只是美国没严格执行

Sec. 7. Effective Date. This proclamation is effective at 12:01 a.m. eastern daylight time on November 3, 2019.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/presidential-proclamation-suspension-entry-immigrants-will-financially-burden-united-states-healthcare-system/

NOW, THEREFORE, I, DONALD J. TRUMP, by the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including sections 212(f) and 215(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1182(f) and 1185(a)) and section 301 of title 3, United States Code, hereby find that the unrestricted immigrant entry into the United States of persons described in section 1 of this proclamation would, except as provided for in section 2 of this proclamation, be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and that their entry should be subject to certain restrictions, limitations, and exceptions. I therefore hereby proclaim the following:
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gem
49 楼
还不是拿非法的没办法,只能折腾合法的了
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RolandQ
50 楼
还不是拿非法的没办法,只能折腾合法的了
gem 发表于 10/5/2019 12:42:41 PM

这要感谢民主党了
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kissbigeye
51 楼
说到医疗,想起今年夏天有认识的人的父母跟团旅游,突发疾病,在这儿又是直升机送医又是加护病房,然后人家好得差不多就回中国了,他儿子说了,不打算付钱
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ScottishFold
52 楼
还不是拿非法的没办法,只能折腾合法的了
gem 发表于 10/5/2019 12:42:41 PM


重点是砍福利,非法移民没有福利很多就不来美国了,USMCA通过,以后墨西哥也会受益。
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ScottishFold
53 楼
看其中这条,18岁以上吃MEDICAID的都别想进来

(c) For persons over the age of 18, approved health insurance does not include coverage under the Medicaid program.
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ScottishFold
54 楼
理论上非移也受影响的,非移最后也想变成合法的,比如靠结婚,公民儿女(dreamer)啥的
Anchor baby的父母指望移民也会受影响
吃鸡蛋 发表于 10/5/2019 12:26:14 PM


这条18岁以上吃MEDICAID的不行。

(c) For persons over the age of 18, approved health insurance does not include coverage under the Medicaid program.
爱吃牛排
55 楼
(c) Consistent with subsection (a) of this section, this proclamation does not affect the entry of aliens entering the United States through means other than immigrant visas, including lawful permanent residents. Further, nothing in this proclamation shall be construed to affect any individual’s eligibility for asylum, refugee status, withholding of removal, or protection under the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, consistent with the laws and regulations of the United States.

这是什么乱七八糟的。
就是说b1也不需要,green card也不需要,连政避都不需要?!
大衣被禁 发表于 10/5/2019 9:11:55 AM
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wonaiwangerxiao
56 楼


是你英文不好,这个主要打击的就是申请绿卡移民的,打击链式移民吃福利的。 IMMIGRANT VISAS包括 lawful permanent residents,

ScottishFold 发表于 10/5/2019 9:48:44 AM

但是这政策只打击正直的人(合法申请移民),不打击那些撒谎的政庇。
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wonaiwangerxiao
57 楼


重点是砍福利,非法移民没有福利很多就不来美国了,USMCA通过,以后墨西哥也会受益。

ScottishFold 发表于 10/5/2019 12:59:08 PM

但是非法移民的福利没有受到影响,所以你的目的还是达不到。
梅花山
58 楼
中国人申请欧洲的旅游签证,一定要买医疗保险的。
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ScottishFold
59 楼

但是非法移民的福利没有受到影响,所以你的目的还是达不到。

wonaiwangerxiao 发表于 10/5/2019 1:48:21 PM


政府没钱了拿什么发福利,不管是加州还是纽约结果都是一样。
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ScottishFold
60 楼
如果继续投票给民主党,美国的福利体系会彻底被非法移民吃破产,到时候现在合法吃福利的也没得吃了。
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fay1224
61 楼
申请绿卡的是H类吧。就是带移民倾向的。
抹茶红豆包 发表于 10/5/2019 10:37:08 AM

跟H有啥关系
哪个H签证雇主不给保险难道?
麦芽糖仔
62 楼
感谢川普!你移民时不是要经济担保的吗?我明白没人能负担美国医疗一旦有什么事发生,但你总不能连买保险的钱也省了吧!前几朋友圈公众号还发问,新移民要看糖尿无保险,我就是回复让他去找经济担保人的。大窝饭总该吃到头了。码工码婆父母来吃褔利我也就不那么看不下去,毕竟人家儿女都在交税,那些从上死下都在吃福利,吃完还骂美国的,根本就是穷凶极恶了
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sf49ers
63 楼
那F1期间生孩子,申请过食品券的人,再申请绿卡会受影响吗?
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CoolTeeth
64 楼
老爷子就是给力!必须点赞!


这个新规11月三日生效,川普引用了现成的移民法,以前只是美国没严格执行

Sec. 7. Effective Date. This proclamation is effective at 12:01 a.m. eastern daylight time on November 3, 2019.

新规规定移民签证申请者必须证明有雇主医保,或者购买了没有政府补贴的医保。非移民签证看上去也需要买短期保险,具体细节在白宫网站上面有公布

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/presidential-proclamation-suspension-entry-immigrants-will-financially-burden-united-states-healthcare-system/

NOW, THEREFORE, I, DONALD J. TRUMP, by the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including sections 212(f) and 215(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1182(f) and 1185(a)) and section 301 of title 3, United States Code, hereby find that the unrestricted immigrant entry into the United States of persons described in section 1 of this proclamation would, except as provided for in section 2 of this proclamation, be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and that their entry should be subject to certain restrictions, limitations, and exceptions. I therefore hereby proclaim the following:

Section 1. Suspension and Limitation on Entry. (a) The entry into the United States as immigrants of aliens who will financially burden the United States healthcare system is hereby suspended and limited subject to section 2 of this proclamation. An alien will financially burden the United States healthcare system unless the alien will be covered by approved health insurance, as defined in subsection (b) of this section, within 30 days of the alien’s entry into the United States, or unless the alien possesses the financial resources to pay for reasonably foreseeable medical costs.

(b) Approved health insurance means coverage under any of the following plans or programs:

(i) an employer-sponsored plan, including a retiree plan, association health plan, and coverage provided by the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985;

(ii) an unsubsidized health plan offered in the individual market within a State;

(iii) a short-term limited duration health policy effective for a minimum of 364 days — or until the beginning of planned, extended travel outside the United States;

(iv) a catastrophic plan;

(v) a family member’s plan;

(vi) a medical plan under chapter 55 of title 10, United States Code, including coverage under the TRICARE program;

(vii) a visitor health insurance plan that provides adequate coverage for medical care for a minimum of 364 days — or until the beginning of planned, extended travel outside the United States;

(viii) a medical plan under the Medicare program; or

(ix) any other health plan that provides adequate coverage for medical care as determined by the Secretary of Health and Human Services or his designee.

(c) For persons over the age of 18, approved health insurance does not include coverage under the Medicaid program.

Sec. 2. Scope of Suspension and Limitation on Entry. (a) Section 1 of this proclamation shall apply only to aliens seeking to enter the United States pursuant to an immigrant visa.

(b) Section 1 of this proclamation shall not apply to:

(i) any alien holding a valid immigrant visa issued before the effective date of this proclamation;

(ii) any alien seeking to enter the United States pursuant to a Special Immigrant Visa, in either the SI or SQ classification, who is also a national of Afghanistan or Iraq, or his or her spouse and children, if any;

(iii) any alien who is the child of a United States citizen or who is seeking to enter the United States pursuant to an IR-2, IR-3, IR-4, IH-3, or IH-4 visa;

(iv) any alien seeking to enter the United States pursuant to an IR-5 visa, provided that the alien or the alien’s sponsor demonstrates to the satisfaction of the consular officer that the alien’s healthcare will not impose a substantial burden on the United States healthcare system;

(v) any alien seeking to enter the United States pursuant to a SB-1 visa;

(vi) any alien under the age of 18, except for any alien accompanying a parent who is also immigrating to the United States and subject to this proclamation;

(vii) any alien whose entry would further important United States law enforcement objectives, as determined by the Secretary of State or his designee based on a recommendation of the Attorney General or his designee; or

(viii) any alien whose entry would be in the national interest, as determined by the Secretary of State or his designee on a case-by-case basis.

(c) Consistent with subsection (a) of this section, this proclamation does not affect the entry of aliens entering the United States through means other than immigrant visas, including lawful permanent residents. Further, nothing in this proclamation shall be construed to affect any individual’s eligibility for asylum, refugee status, withholding of removal, or protection under the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, consistent with the laws and regulations of the United States.

Sec. 3. Implementation and Enforcement. (a) An alien subject to this proclamation must establish that he or she meets its requirements, to the satisfaction of a consular officer, before the adjudication and issuance of an immigrant visa. The Secretary of State may establish standards and procedures governing such determinations.

(b) The review required by subsection (a) of this section is separate and independent from the review and determination required by other statutes, regulations, or proclamations in determining the admissibility of an alien.

(c) An alien who circumvents the application of this proclamation through fraud, willful misrepresentation of a material fact, or illegal entry shall be a priority for removal by the Department of Homeland Security.

Sec. 4. Reports on the Financial Burdens Imposed by Immigrants on the Healthcare System. (a) The Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of Health and Human Services, the Secretary of Homeland Security, and the heads of other appropriate agencies, shall submit to the President a report regarding:

(i) the continued necessity of and any adjustments that may be warranted to the suspension and limitation on entry in section 1 of this proclamation; and

(ii) other measures that may be warranted to protect the integrity of the United States healthcare system.

(b) The report required by subsection (a) of this section shall be submitted within 180 days of the effective date of this proclamation, with subsequent reports submitted annually thereafter throughout the effective duration of the suspension and limitation on entry set forth in section 1 of this proclamation. If the Secretary of State, in consultation with the heads of other appropriate executive departments and agencies, determines that circumstances no longer warrant the continued effectiveness of the suspension or limitation on entry set forth in section 1 of this proclamation or that circumstances warrant additional measures, the Secretary shall immediately so advise the President.

(c) The Secretary of State and Secretary of Health and Human Services shall coordinate any policy recommendations associated with the reports described in subsection (a) of this section.

Sec. 5. Severability. It is the policy of the United States to enforce this proclamation to the maximum extent possible to advance the interests of the United States.

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CoolTeeth
65 楼
赞层主!

挺好的,我支持,我爸妈在这里看病全部自费,其实也没多少钱,真有大病可以和医院讲价分期付款,没有必要占免费医疗便宜。
magicbaby 发表于 10/5/2019 8:49:18 AM [url=https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2459417&postid=81538938#81538938][/url]


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CoolTeeth
66 楼
亲属移民绿卡申请本身就要求有担保了

(c) Consistent with subsection (a) of this section, this proclamation does not affect the entry of aliens entering the United States through means other than immigrant visas, including lawful permanent residents. Further, nothing in this proclamation shall be construed to affect any individual’s eligibility for asylum, refugee status, withholding of removal, or protection under the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, consistent with the laws and regulations of the United States.

这是什么乱七八糟的。
就是说b1也不需要,green card也不需要,连政避都不需要?!
大衣被禁 发表于 10/5/2019 9:11:55 AM [url=https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2459417&postid=81539000#81539000][/url]


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CoolTeeth
67 楼
看病不付钱的非法移民最多吧?



是卡进来占美国便宜的,其它国家都卡,当然美国也可以卡,而且有钱的照样能进来。至于非法移民,美国缺钱照样也会砍福利的,即使是加州,福利吃破产最后都没得吃。
白宫网站上说了,不卡美国医院很多要破产了,因为很多人看病不付钱

The costs associated with this care are passed on to the American people in the form of higher taxes, higher premiums, and higher fees for medical services. In total, uncompensated care costs — the overall measure of unreimbursed services that hospitals give their patients — have exceeded $35 billion in each of the last 10 years. These costs amount to approximately $7 million on average for each hospital in the United States, and can drive hospitals into insolvency.

ScottishFold 发表于 10/5/2019 9:45:25 AM [url=https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2459417&postid=81539144#81539144][/url]


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CoolTeeth
68 楼
我觉得两种解释皆可啊。。。白宫应该澄清一下。

我觉得是你英文不好吧。
我理解是现在permanent residence是不需要visa的,所以是不需要证明的。
我教一下语法上是怎么样的。
“Lawful permanent residents” is a subset of “aliens entering the United States through means other than immigrant visas”
而不是 a subset of “immigrant visa”, because residents are people not visas!

你这个语法不像考过标准考试的哦~

大衣被禁 发表于 10/5/2019 9:50:58 AM [url=https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2459417&postid=81539172#81539172][/url]


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CoolTeeth
69 楼
用的时候谁管啊,申请的时候才管吧

那你下次用你“permanent resident visa”的时候记得带上保险证明,别被人没收啦~

大衣被禁 发表于 10/5/2019 10:29:23 AM [url=https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2459417&postid=81539357#81539357][/url]


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CoolTeeth
70 楼
B2不受影响那很多人用B2过来看病咋办?

Trump to Protect U.S. Taxpayers from Subsidizing Health Care for Immigrants
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/04/trump-to-protect-u-s-taxpayers-from-subsidizing-health-care-for-immigrants/

In a new rule, beginning November 3, foreign nationals applying for visas — not including refugees, asylees, or those on nonimmigrant visas — will have to prove that they will have either employer-based health insurance before arriving in the U.S. or a non-subsidized private health insurance plan.

The rule means that foreign nationals with serious health issues and no means to pay for health insurance will not be eligible to obtain visas to permanently begin resettling in the U.S. — saving American taxpayers billions in subsidized costs.
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henshuhen
71 楼
旅游探亲签证也算immigration visa吗? 而且是哪种保险呢? 如果是国外买的旅游保险, 那根本不知道有没有效, 签证官也无从查起。 如果是强制买美国公司的保险, 这个应该是违法的吧?
cannie 发表于 10/5/2019 11:22:49 AM

B签证是非移民签证
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CoolTeeth
72 楼
打击撒谎政庇的应该是审核政治庇护的那些官员


但是这政策只打击正直的人(合法申请移民),不打击那些撒谎的政庇。

wonaiwangerxiao 发表于 10/5/2019 1:42:17 PM [url=https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2459417&postid=81540668#81540668][/url]


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CoolTeeth
73 楼
F1没保险?学校都会让买的啊。而且为啥申请食品券?自费的都应该有钱吃饭养活自己吧否则出示不了足够财力证明拿不到签证的。有全奖的生活费都包了也不需要吃食物券吧。绿卡前长期在福利上的申请绿卡按法律是会有问题的。

那F1期间生孩子,申请过食品券的人,再申请绿卡会受影响吗?
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CoolTeeth
74 楼
回复 9楼ScottishFold的帖子

对了,如果只要求申请的时候证明,那进来以后就不买了咋办?

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crystalhuang
75 楼
好奇这个怎么操作,还不如直接提高经济担保线或者是收取押金……
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miss6161
76 楼
垃圾


我不需要什么语法,我肯定是正确的。

ScottishFold 发表于 10/5/2019 10:26:00 AM
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habibi
77 楼


其实绿卡申请指的就是PERMANENT IMMIGRANT VISA,在哪里申请都一样。

ScottishFold 发表于 10/5/2019 10:32:35 AM

一看一就没正常途径申请过绿卡,政庇吧,什么时候绿卡还是visa了,在美国要个p的visa,visa是进美国的时候才需要的,人都在美国了要什么visa。
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habibi
78 楼
申请绿卡的是H类吧。就是带移民倾向的。
抹茶红豆包 发表于 10/5/2019 10:37:08 AM

H也是非移民绿卡,移民绿卡是来了美国可以直接拿绿卡不用申请了,国内是要去广州面试的。
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ScottishFold
79 楼
回复 9楼ScottishFold的帖子

对了,如果只要求申请的时候证明,那进来以后就不买了咋办?

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家属绿卡申请都要签署经济担保啊,美国会向担保人追讨的,这个后续的配套政策都会跟上的,具体执行上肯定最卡老人,美国就是不想要老人移民了。
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umizumi
80 楼
回复 9楼ScottishFold的帖子

对了,如果只要求申请的时候证明,那进来以后就不买了咋办?

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CoolTeeth 发表于 10/5/2019 3:36:53 PM


这个容易,2019年11月3日以后拿卡的都不能subsidy呗,然后不买也就不买了
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habibi
81 楼
那F1期间生孩子,申请过食品券的人,再申请绿卡会受影响吗?
sf49ers 发表于 10/5/2019 2:52:24 PM

这个一直都有影响啊,住廉租房也有影响。总之吃过福利就有影响。当然如果绿卡时候能证明挣得钱很多正经上税找个律师办应该没问题
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elsayu113
82 楼
我觉得有必要澄清一下一个definition。申请immigrant visa,就是指申请绿卡,不管你是在境外走consulate还是境内file I-485调整身份,都叫申请immigrant visa。大家时常说的排期排期,实际是在排available immigrant visa,因为每年的number是有限的。 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
爱是恒久忍耐
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其实早就该这样了,我知道有北上广老人国内几套房子,住着老年公寓,拿着Medicaid, 每月固定领着救济,还骂着美国政府。不知道美国政府对待这种人怎么处理。
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polyoma2002
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这个的确就是叫Visa的,当然和你在国外申请的visa形式不一样


一看一就没正常途径申请过绿卡,政庇吧,什么时候绿卡还是visa了,在美国要个p的visa,visa是进美国的时候才需要的,人都在美国了要什么visa。

habibi 发表于 10/5/2019 3:54:00 PM
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hcrab
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我觉得有必要澄清一下一个definition。申请immigrant visa,就是指申请绿卡,不管你是在境外走consulate还是境内file I-485调整身份,都叫申请immigrant visa。大家时常说的排期排期,实际是在排available immigrant visa,因为每年的number是有限的。 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
elsayu113 发表于 10/5/2019 5:16:22 PM [/url]


https://www.uscis.gov/greencard/adjustment-of-status

Adjustment of status is the process that you can use to apply for lawful permanent resident status (also known as applying for a Green Card) when you are present in the United States. This means that you may get a Green Card without having to return to your home country to complete visa processing.

I-130/I-140才是/等同于申请immigrant visa
焱焱
86 楼
好奇这个怎么操作,还不如直接提高经济担保线或者是收取押金……

crystalhuang 发表于 10/5/2019 3:37:59 PM


不知道没拿到緑卡的外国人能否买美国商业医保? 觉得这个就是籍口,给申请链式移民hard time。
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nonexistance
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一看一就没正常途径申请过绿卡,政庇吧,什么时候绿卡还是visa了,在美国要个p的visa,visa是进美国的时候才需要的,人都在美国了要什么visa。

habibi 发表于 10/5/2019 3:54:24 PM

绿卡申请就叫visa。你肯定是没绿卡排期过。绿卡面完试后,面试官很抱歉的对我说 sorry, visa number is not available ,让我回去等排期,排visa number
大衣被禁
88 楼
人家说的很清楚了
管的是
“The entry into the United States as immigrants of aliens”。
管就是管你入关的时候。
申请绿卡的时候本来就要证明有经济能力,不会成为“financial burden”.怎么是新的呢?!
我们看原文,不要像某猫一样,对法律的理解文字不重要,光靠拍脑袋。

用的时候谁管啊,申请的时候才管吧

CoolTeeth 发表于 10/5/2019 3:16:00 PM
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elsayu113
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回复85楼hcrab的帖子
130/140是immigrant petition,是申请”immigrant visa”的开始。consulate processing/I-485是完成这个process的最后一步。在这一步申请人需要等待available的visa才能完成。 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
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elsayu113
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---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
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joanna63
91 楼
这怎么操作啊?申请的时候买了保险,拿到以后也可以不买啊。这根本没办法杜绝啊。
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kikobull
92 楼
挺合理的,不然社会负担太重
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Maple2316
93 楼
我听到的有的地方已经开始追讨了,就是跟子女要钱


家属绿卡申请都要签署经济担保啊,美国会向担保人追讨的,这个后续的配套政策都会跟上的,具体执行上肯定最卡老人,美国就是不想要老人移民了。

ScottishFold 发表于 10/5/2019 4:02:00 PM
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flashdog
94 楼
就问一句我爸妈感恩节来过节探亲,B1/B2有影响吗?谢谢🙏
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hylei
95 楼
不成为公众负担,自己买保险难道不是正常的嘛?周围持绿卡的老人们都是自己买的保险,都是在承受范围以内的。
亲属移民难道就真的是想着来吃政府福利的吗?
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nonexistance
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不成为公众负担,自己买保险难道不是正常的嘛?周围持绿卡的老人们都是自己买的保险,都是在承受范围以内的。
亲属移民难道就真的是想着来吃政府福利的吗?
hylei 发表于 10/6/2019 1:53:52 AM

最后一句你还真说对了。我知道的亲属移民老人的,就没有不吃福利的。而且吃完还回国到处炫耀
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hylei
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好几年前认识一个阿姨,做保姆,儿子媳妇亲属移民,在加州吃福利,开豪车住豪宅。这个阿姨绿卡在办,zh我们玉米州来临时保姆,上了我家一下啊,第一句话就是你家吃福利的吧!总之一番下来,我晕倒,好歹玉米地里还算中产了辛苦工作辛苦交税被亲属移民严重鄙视,吃福利的看不起交税的,啥世道!
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hylei
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最后一句你还真说对了。我知道的亲属移民老人的,就没有不吃福利的。而且吃完还回国到处炫耀

nonexistance 发表于 10/6/2019 2:02:47 AM

可能真的是玉米地单纯些,他们连那种便宜的one world都不去,认为那是政府补贴给穷人的,老人和子女都认为不应该去占便宜
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nonexistance
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可能真的是玉米地单纯些,他们连那种便宜的one world都不去,认为那是政府补贴给穷人的,老人和子女都认为不应该去占便宜

hylei 发表于 10/6/2019 2:08:10 AM

玉米地是红区还是兰区?我认识的吃福利的亲属移民的都是在兰区,弯曲和纽约的
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xwlbo
100 楼
我的理解:
签证是进入美国的许可证,分非移民签证和移民签证两大类,这个新法案只针对移民签证中的大部分情况。
绿卡需要持签证进入美国以后再进行申请,所以这个新法案管的是上游:签证,而不是下游的绿卡。至于哪些签证属于移民签证,去美国驻中国大使馆网站看看就明白了。