学英语的痛苦!刚学会用前面的,人家又说要用后面的了。。。。

musicc
楼主 (北美华人网)
Use simple words and phrases When you’re making word choices, pick the familiar or commonly used word over the unusual or obscure. There are many lists of complex words and suggested substitutes, like the one below. See also the lists in Kimble (2006). Bold marks the dirty dozen, the 12 offenders most likely to weaken your work.
Don’t say Say a and/or ba or b or bothaccompanygo withaccomplishcarry out, doaccordedgivenaccordinglysoaccrueadd, gainaccuratecorrect, exact, rightadditionaladded, more, otheraddressdiscussaddresseesyouaddressees are requested(omit), pleaseadjacent tonext toadvantageoushelpfuladversely impact onhurt, set backadviserecommend, tellafford an opportunityallow, letaircraftplaneallocatedivideanticipateexpecta number ofsomeapparentclear, plainappreciablemanyappropriate(omit), proper, rightapproximateaboutarrive onboardarriveas a means oftoascertainfind out, learnas prescribed byin, underassist, assistanceaid, helpattainmeetattempttryat the present timeat present, nowbe advised(omit)benefithelpby means ofby, withcapabilityabilitycaveatwarningclose proximitynearcombat environmentcombatcombinedjointcommencebegin, startcomply withfollowcomponentpartcompriseform, include, make upconcerningabout, onconsequentlysoconsolidatecombine, join, mergeconstitutesis, forms, makes upcontainshasconvenemeetcurrently(omit), nowdeembelieve, consider, thinkdeletecut, dropdemonstrateprove, showdepartleavedesignateappoint, choose, namedesirewant, wishdeterminedecide, figure, finddiscloseshowdiscontinuedrop, stopdisseminategive, issue, pass, senddue to the fact thatdue to, sinceduring the periodduringeffect modificationsmake changeselectchoose, pickeliminatecut, drop, endemployuseencountermeetendeavortryensuremake sureenumeratecountequipmentsequipmentequitablefairestablishset up, prove, showevidencedshowedevidentclearexhibitshowexpeditehasten, speed upexpeditiousfast, quickexpendspendexpertiseabilityexpirationendfacilitateease, helpfailed todidn’tfeasiblecan be done, workablefemaleswomenfinalizecomplete, finishfor a period offorfor example,______etc.for example, such asforfeitgive up, loseforwardsendfrequentlyoftenfunctionact, role, workfurnishgive, sendhas a requirement forneedshereinhereheretoforeuntil nowherewithbelow, herehoweverbutidenticalsameidentifyfind, name, showimmediatelyat onceimpactedaffected, changedimplementcarry out, startin accordance withby, following, per, underin additionalso, besides, tooin an effort totoinasmuch assincein a timely manneron time, promptlyinceptionstartincumbent uponmustindicateshow, write downindicationsigninitialfirstinitiatestartin lieu ofinsteadin order thatfor, soin order totoin regard toabout, concerning, onin relation toabout, with, tointer alia(omit)interfacemeet, work withinterpose no objectiondon’t objectin the amount offorin the event ofifin the near futureshortly, soonin the process of(omit)in view ofsincein view of the abovesois applicable toapplies tois authorized tomayis in consonance withagrees with, followsis responsible for(omit) handlesit appearsseemsit is(omit)it is essentialmust, need toit is requestedplease, we request, I requestliaisondiscussionlimited numberlimitsmagnitudesizemaintainkeep, supportmaximumgreatest, largest, mostmethodologymethodminimizedecrease, methodminimumleast, smallestmodifychangemonitorcheck, watchnecessitatecause, neednotifylet know, tellnot later than 10 Mayby 10 May, before 11 Maynot later than 1600by 1600notwithstandinginspite of, stillnumerousmanyobjectiveaim, goalobligatebind, compelobserveseeon a regular basis(omit)operaterun, use, workoptimumbest, greatest, mostoptionchoice, wayparameterslimitsparticipatetake partperformdopermitletpertaining toabout, of, onportionpartpossesshave, ownpracticablepracticalprecludepreventpreviousearlierpreviouslybeforeprioritizerankprior tobeforeproceeddo, go ahead, tryprocure(omit)proficiencyskillpromulgateissue, publishprovidegive, offer, sayprovided thatifprovides guidance forguidespurchasebuypursuant toby, following, per, underreflectsay, showregardingabout, of, onrelative toabout, onrelocatemoveremainstayremainstayremainderrestremunerationpay, paymentrendergive, makerepresentsisrequestaskrequiremust, needrequirementneedresideliveretainkeepsaid, some, suchthe, this, thatselectionchoiceset forth ininsimilar tolikesolicitask for, requeststate-of-the-artlatestsubjectthe, this, yoursubmitgive, sendsubsequentlater, nextsubsequentlyafter, later, thensubstantiallarge, muchsuccessfully completecomplete, passsufficientenoughtake action to(omit)terminateend, stopthe month of(omit)there are(omit)thereforesothereintherethere is(omit)thereofits, theirthe undersignedIthe use of(omit)this activity, commandus, wetimelyprompttime period(either one)transmitsendtype(omit)under the provisions ofunderuntil such time asuntilutilize, utilizationusevalidateconfirmviablepractical, workableviceinstead of, versuswarrantcall for, permitwhereasbecause, sincewith reference toaboutwith the exception ofexcept forwitnessedsawyour officeyou/ (slash)and, or
LoveGinkgo
谢谢🙏太有用了!Mark!
a_dog
挺有用的。
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LQLOVENK
markmark
musicc
挺有用的。
a_dog 发表于 7/11/2019 11:27:26 AM


这不需要客气,就是有些蒙了,到底该怎么用。
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innovationpark


这不需要客气,就是有些蒙了,到底该怎么用。

musicc 发表于 7/11/2019 11:38:23 AM

我觉的倒过来用挺好的,右边很口语,写文章或者正式email可以换成左边的替代
bellamia
谁说的?要看对象,左边的是比较formal或是书面的用词,通常受过很好教育的人,或是开会谈判等正式场合大家都会用左边的词汇;右边的比较口语,casual,朋友家人随便说说,或者没什么重要的话题
musicc

我觉的倒过来用挺好的,右边很口语,写文章或者正式email可以换成左边的替代
innovationpark 发表于 7/11/2019 11:45:28 AM


这篇指导是说,写文章也要用后边的。我也搞不懂了,
musicc
谁说的?要看对象,左边的是比较formal或是书面的用词,通常受过很好教育的人,或是开会谈判等正式场合大家都会用左边的词汇;右边的比较口语,casual,朋友家人随便说说,或者没什么重要的话题
bellamia 发表于 7/11/2019 11:49:29 AM


原文不是你这个意思。 我看川普,小布什,奥巴马几任总统讲话也都是右边的。 We got him什么的, 都不说captured什么的。
jilimy
Thanks for sharing! formal-casual English!
花生芝麻
哪里的文章啊?我觉得对于美国人来说,左边的词大部分也不complex吧?
风吹鸡蛋壳
Thanks for sharing! formal-casual English!
bellamia


原文不是你这个意思。 我看川普,小布什,奥巴马几任总统讲话也都是右边的。 We got him什么的, 都不说captured什么的。

musicc 发表于 7/11/2019 11:53:24 AM

要看语境和上下文,we got him是说我们抓住他了,所以用简短有力的口头表达方式或者是captivating headline,如果你再看后面的press release,肯定就是XX has been captured。。。。
zicklingrad
There is a difference between speaking and writing. When speaking, try to stick to simple words. Donald Trump, for example, is very good at communicating simple, effective messages to the audience. There are a lot of problems with Trump, but you can't deny that he is good at making an impression.

Also, understand that you don't need to have perfect grammar and there are major and minor grammar rules. You need to communicate effectively but you don't need to have perfect grammar to do that. Don't sweat the small stuff. If you obsess over minor things that no one cares about, it doesn't make you look good.

Some ignorant da ma on this forum actually questioned my education level because I suggested that using perfect grammar isn't always important. Don't be that kind of rigid stuck-up person.
zhengxumaomao


原文不是你这个意思。 我看川普,小布什,奥巴马几任总统讲话也都是右边的。 We got him什么的, 都不说captured什么的。

musicc 发表于 7/11/2019 11:53:24 AM

因为听众是大众,大众普遍受教育水平不高,当然要用他们听得懂有感触的词
天凉好秋
谈到writing,不知道楼上几个坚持左边的,在word里有没有发现一个趋势,就是word的纠错会建议你把一部分左边类似的改成右边的。不知道你们怎么解释这个趋势。word不是让你写口语的。我是editor train的,支持右边的趋势。当然还有流派的问题。国内学语言的,更在意炫技这回事吧。类似的,中文的半白半古以前听着是读过书的表现,现在就觉得有些奇奇怪怪。英文同理。
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lysig
这个感觉很有用哦,谢谢分享
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Panels
学语言不是这样学的,好吗? 词的选择要看语境,上下文,场合和对象。而熟练运用,则需要长期不懈的语言环境的浸泡,听说读写一个都不能少。
ccchhh
哈哈哈哈哈姐姐
sunshinebaby2012
学任何语言如果能够做到“accurate"和"precise"这两点,就已经非常不错了,尤其是正式或书面语言。口语看场合,大多数场合随便说说无所谓,真正的功力还是体现在书面语言上。这种自说自话的shortcut,真是贻笑大方。
goldengate
谈到writing,不知道楼上几个坚持左边的,在word里有没有发现一个趋势,就是word的纠错会建议你把一部分左边类似的改成右边的。不知道你们怎么解释这个趋势。word不是让你写口语的。我是editor train的,支持右边的趋势。当然还有流派的问题。国内学语言的,更在意炫技这回事吧。类似的,中文的半白半古以前听着是读过书的表现,现在就觉得有些奇奇怪怪。英文同理。
天凉好秋 发表于 7/11/2019 8:33:00 PM

official document, legal document, academic 都是用左边的多。右边的口语,speech,普通书面用语都可以,但是很少用于严谨的场合,因为可以有太多歧义。
sonson
thank!!!!
天凉好秋

official document, legal document, academic 都是用左边的多。右边的口语,speech,普通书面用语都可以,但是很少用于严谨的场合,因为可以有太多歧义。

goldengate 发表于 7/12/2019 1:29:59 AM

前两个我不了解,也许是或者不是,法律文件是很罗嗦的。但是,academic严重不同意。哈哈。最讨厌读那种明明可以写present/now的,一定要写at the present time。precise and concise才是academia的原则
catnfish
两边都有用
javamonkey
whereas 根本就不是"beause"或者"since"的意思
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qingq


这不需要客气,就是有些蒙了,到底该怎么用。

musicc 发表于 7/11/2019 11:38:23 AM

要看具体语境,什么场合,上下文之类的。语言要有变通的,跟你说中文一样
lotusever
mark!!
mayzm8
要看语境和对象的,不推荐这种表格归类
purplebasil
凡事没有那么绝对。做金融的人不说asset allocation而说asset division?不说accrued interest而说gained interest?