Just for discussion here: 1) On a job interview, how could one honestly say, I'm perfect for this job? The candidate doens't really know what it takes for that job. All you can tell is from the job posting. So here it really takes some courage and exaggeration to pass this msg: I am the perfect one! You'll have to convince youself first to convince them. So no matter you believe it or not, at least sound like you belive it. 2) I found Job posting are often exaggerating. (Heels MM can probabaly comment from the HR expert perspective.) Every job posting sound like they require someone so perfect that most people in the field would not qualify. The words used are very biiiiiig. But after you work there for a while, if you re-exam you co-workers with the job requirements, you'll now understand what those big words really mean. Then you'll realize, to that standard, I am the perfect candidate.
admire you, heels mm. I will be a manager very soon. However, my poor English is disappointing... I will train myself in this aspect like what you did.
现在呢？毫不夸张地说，我的英语不管是口语、听力、阅读还是写作，都和美国人不相上下了，语法却比很多美国人都要好（说句题外话，不知大家发现没有，好多美国人实际上speak terrible English, 只是习惯成自然，表达清楚了而已。这点如果大家有兴趣的话我可以举例子，这里就不多说了）。几乎所有刚认识我的美国人都说:"What do you mean you have only been here for four years?! You are kidding! You don't have any accent at all!" 每次都让我小小地、阴暗地满足一下自己的虚荣心。。。 I have been here for approximately 8 years, but everyone can notice that I am a foreigner when I speak... If I do not get promoted this year, that must be my English dragging my feet.
以下是引用pidan在10/13/2006 2:19:00 PM的发言： To be honest,in this world, title means nothing. One of most important factor is your salary. Titles are so different from company to company, with huge gaps between a Fortune 500 company and a small-size company. How much you earn is the hard measure here, as companies always follow industry standards I do not know why you guys want to dig for these information. People like you should go to be CIA for your excellent talent.
Can't agree more. My supervisor was the controller with his previous employer, but now, he's just one of the thousands managers in a Fortune 100 company. He is probably making same amount of money as he did before, if not higher.
Apparently, LZ mm is very proud of what she's doing and what she's achieved. I don't think there is anything about it. She has every reason to be proud of herself. However, considering many Huaren MMs are still at school and knowing little about corporate world, throwing out a big title like Director of HR without defining it, does seem to me a little misleading.
wow, it is admirable. i think some people do have talent in learning new languages. i am jealous of people who can speak great english in quite short time.
以下是引用millet在10/5/2006 5:22:00 PM的发言： 小声说一句，我以前的公司有90多人，也有个director of HR, 不过整个部门只有她一个人 It is called HR Manger in my company (also a one-person department).
在比较小的公司或者startup，两年做到这个位置还是可能的。大公司的HR VP 或者director，一般都得有15年以上的经验还不止。 Our HR manager is a 22 year old fresh graduate from college. The old manager trained her for two months and retired, then she was on her own for everything...
哇，一个人一个部门的"director"也算manager, 那能问问他manage谁吗 要是这种说法是共识的话，我也来崇拜自己一把，毕竟俺那时手下还有一个兵，要不俺也来写写，怎样刚出校门，没有任何工作经验的情况下，俺就成了"manager"? Usually those one-person department managers manage "issues", not "people".
FAINT。LZ拿到这个工作OFFER的很重要一点是英语好。LZ对如何提高英语语焉不详。好多跟贴的都问她如何提高英语。你让她怎么说？让你们为了找 工作，之前去 DATE男白人女白人之类的练好英语先？楼主的帖子花了不少时间，也有一些用处。就像.....听俞敏洪讲课。听着有意思，很沸腾，很滚锅，很洛杉矶那旮 瘩重庆毛血旺，在校没毕业的rookie不热血澎湃个八九阵子都对不起自己的听课证（和200魅力值）。以为只要你就学期间发悬梁，锥刺骨的玩命儿，毕业 了找不到Director of HR你都不好意思上华人。其实激动完了呢？下了网该干什么就干什么吧，你如妹喊你回家吃饭啦。因为大部分人（尤其学HR的）没人家那个条件。英语不好到能 随便DATE next ex spouse，3个人的公司也不会雇你去做他们的Director of HR的，就算你想直接Report给三个人中title最高的看门大爷都没门儿。哪怕你把自己大腿小腿外加26个大脚趾头都戳成了丝瓜瓤子，不DATE个 五六个白毛，还是,,,趁早攒奖学金截肢吧。所以说，最重要一点我替楼主说了吧，先外whatever去练好英语。当然，你的主流社会中的黑白朋友是不能 理解你的酸甜苦辣的。不过你可以来这里告诉别人你花了多么多么大的功夫提高英语技巧，赚得在自己的主流社会里赚不到的崇拜之情。等到你DATE得每分钟都 用英语自然而然地思考一切大中小吃喝拉撒问题。等说中文都打奔儿了，老妈跟你说中文你都得先在脑子里翻成英文找好英文对 白再翻成中文mumbo jumbo出来，你就可以去找工作了。还一找一个准儿，直接Report给CEO他老婆的soul mate都说不定。
为什么魅力值不够？？
泪奔~~~
Just for discussion here:
1) On a job interview, how could one honestly say, I'm perfect for this job?
The candidate doens't really know what it takes for that job. All you can tell is from the job posting. So here it really takes some courage and exaggeration to pass this msg: I am the perfect one! You'll have to convince youself first to convince them. So no matter you believe it or not, at least sound like you belive it.
2) I found Job posting are often exaggerating. (Heels MM can probabaly comment from the HR expert perspective.)
Every job posting sound like they require someone so perfect that most people in the field would not qualify. The words used are very biiiiiig. But after you work there for a while, if you re-exam you co-workers with the job requirements, you'll now understand what those big words really mean. Then you'll realize, to that standard, I am the perfect candidate.
还是要拼命灌水啊灌水啊灌水
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几年过去，又是一番景象。我把魅力降到100了，希望想看的人能看到。
祝找工作的mm们都能拿到理想的offer！（敲木鱼的小猴子）
瓦赛，我认识的学HR的人都回国了，都说在这里找不到工作 mm你真得很厉害哦 如果可以，顺便谢谢你的英语学习吧，我相信你得verbal, writing都很厉害
en,也想知道lz怎么学英语的
怎么搞到这样?人家辛辛苦苦把经验写出来,至少要appreciate人家楼主啊,
有些细节不是人家的obligation to provide啊.
re！！谢谢lz分享，真的很有收获！！对自己也是一种鞭策，自己太堕落了。。。
非常感谢！！
再次谢谢楼主的分享 ！
其实我在国内的时候觉得自己的英语很好，不仅是自我感觉好啊，所有教过我的英语老师都认为我是班上的尖子。就这样我雄赳赳地来到了美国，然后才发现自己的英语书面还可以 （开学第一天所有国际学生都必须参加英语考试，考语法、阅读和听力。90％＋的人都fail了，得上至少一个学期的英语课，我却通过了。），可口语那叫什么水平啊！念的是硕士，大家也知道商科研究生的强度，可是我刚开始的2－3个月吧，上课顶多能听懂教授讲的60％左右，我郁闷啊。。。上课还必须得发言，还得参加小组讨论，做presentation,不然期末就甭想通过了，那个时候的日子很难熬，可是也成了我促进自己英语进步的动力，因为没有退路嘛，自己又天生是很好强的性格。
现在呢？毫不夸张地说，我的英语不管是口语、听力、阅读还是写作，都和美国人不相上下了，语法却比很多美国人都要好（说句题外话，不知大家发现没有，好多美国人实际上speak terrible English, 只是习惯成自然，表达清楚了而已。这点如果大家有兴趣的话我可以举例子，这里就不多说了）。几乎所有刚认识我的美国人都说:"What do you mean you have only been here for four years?! You are kidding! You don't have any accent at all!" 每次都让我小小地、阴暗地满足一下自己的虚荣心。。。
I have been here for approximately 8 years, but everyone can notice that I am a foreigner when I speak... If I do not get promoted this year, that must be my English dragging my feet.
To be honest,in this world, title means nothing. One of most important factor is your salary. Titles are so different from company to company, with huge gaps between a Fortune 500 company and a small-size company. How much you earn is the hard measure here, as companies always follow industry standards
I do not know why you guys want to dig for these information. People like you should go to be CIA for your excellent talent.
Can't agree more. My supervisor was the controller with his previous employer, but now, he's just one of the thousands managers in a Fortune 100 company. He is probably making same amount of money as he did before, if not higher.
Apparently, LZ mm is very proud of what she's doing and what she's achieved. I don't think there is anything about it. She has every reason to be proud of herself. However, considering many Huaren MMs are still at school and knowing little about corporate world, throwing out a big title like Director of HR without defining it, does seem to me a little misleading.
I do not understand why you care....
赶快写啊，无限敬仰中。
偶以前一个朋友就是HR，然后每天见无数帅哥美女，还可以理直气壮问人几多青春，年薪几何，婚配有无.....赫赫，插科打诨一个。
mm快写啊！！！
几多青春?婚配有无?
Can HR ask this kind of questions?
小声说一句，我以前的公司有90多人，也有个director of HR, 不过整个部门只有她一个人
It is called HR Manger in my company (also a one-person department).
在比较小的公司或者startup，两年做到这个位置还是可能的。大公司的HR VP 或者director，一般都得有15年以上的经验还不止。
Our HR manager is a 22 year old fresh graduate from college. The old manager trained her for two months and retired, then she was on her own for everything...
哇，一个人一个部门的"director"也算manager, 那能问问他manage谁吗
要是这种说法是共识的话，我也来崇拜自己一把，毕竟俺那时手下还有一个兵，要不俺也来写写，怎样刚出校门，没有任何工作经验的情况下，俺就成了"manager"?
Usually those one-person department managers manage "issues", not "people".
我念的不是名校，也就是一间普通的州立大学。名校top program毕业的当然好，镀金谁不喜欢，但我认为最重要的还是个人素质和潜力。好的公司不会因为你是名校毕业就给你offer和高工资。找工作的心态很重要。
说句不谦虚的话，我认为自己比很多名校出来的人有能力很多。
good points!
FAINT。LZ拿到这个工作OFFER的很重要一点是英语好。LZ对如何提高英语语焉不详。好多跟贴的都问她如何提高英语。你让她怎么说？让你们为了找
工作，之前去
DATE男白人女白人之类的练好英语先？楼主的帖子花了不少时间，也有一些用处。就像.....听俞敏洪讲课。听着有意思，很沸腾，很滚锅，很洛杉矶那旮
瘩重庆毛血旺，在校没毕业的rookie不热血澎湃个八九阵子都对不起自己的听课证（和200魅力值）。以为只要你就学期间发悬梁，锥刺骨的玩命儿，毕业
了找不到Director of
HR你都不好意思上华人。其实激动完了呢？下了网该干什么就干什么吧，你如妹喊你回家吃饭啦。因为大部分人（尤其学HR的）没人家那个条件。英语不好到能
随便DATE next ex spouse，3个人的公司也不会雇你去做他们的Director of
HR的，就算你想直接Report给三个人中title最高的看门大爷都没门儿。哪怕你把自己大腿小腿外加26个大脚趾头都戳成了丝瓜瓤子，不DATE个
五六个白毛，还是,,,趁早攒奖学金截肢吧。所以说，最重要一点我替楼主说了吧，先外whatever去练好英语。当然，你的主流社会中的黑白朋友是不能
理解你的酸甜苦辣的。不过你可以来这里告诉别人你花了多么多么大的功夫提高英语技巧，赚得在自己的主流社会里赚不到的崇拜之情。等到你DATE得每分钟都
用英语自然而然地思考一切大中小吃喝拉撒问题。等说中文都打奔儿了，老妈跟你说中文你都得先在脑子里翻成英文找好英文对
白再翻成中文mumbo jumbo出来，你就可以去找工作了。还一找一个准儿，直接Report给CEO他老婆的soul mate都说不定。
这。。。
以下内容需要魅力达到100才可以浏览
这里还有一个小插曲。。。
那个公司的hiring manager跟我说是最近公司政策才变化的，他也没有办法，非常遗憾不能hire我。然后还问我有没有办法在近期内解决身份问题，这样他们公司就可以给我offer乐。我晕！！！我要有办法还要你sponsor干嘛？！！！
接着他又说，那你找个美国公民结婚呢？还很好心地告诉我：这样拿绿卡很快的呢！公司可以等你几个月。。。
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Funny hiring manager...got married in several month?.....
大言不惭地说一句，偶的口语自认为很好啦，所有见过的美国人都夸
握爪握爪，我最开心的时候就是有美国人问我from where，然后我说中国的时候他们瞪着眼睛说，我以为你是在美国出生的，哇咔咔。不过很多人还是一听就知道有口音啦，所以我也有和mm一样的梦想。