I DCAed TNA until October. So I was holding 324 shares of them when it nose dived, with the average cost of $68. I was pretending to be dead and did nothing then until 1/8.
TNA is a perfect vehicle for DT since it is 3X so swings a long intraday. If long term, just buy SPY.
- 用很远很便宜的put hedge overnight long term long positions. 股市长期是涨的。 - Write calls for long term positions - Write put and then buy call. - Vertical bull call spreads at uptrend momentum.
Today is a bull day because in daily chart yesterday closed above SMA60. No wonder跳空高开。In such a day, buy dip.
- 用很远很便宜的put hedge overnight long term long positions. 股市长期是涨的。 - Write calls for long term positions - Write put and then buy call. - Vertical bull spreads. ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP finishstrong 发表于 1/25/2019 2:04:35 PM
你这个不大对啊。。 ”用很远很便宜“
你这个远, 是指 really out of money, 还是指 expiration?
1) expiration 远, option就不便宜 2)really out of money的, 根本就起不到hedge 作用。 你的股票即使跌了, 你的out of money option也涨不起来。。。
- 用很远很便宜的put hedge overnight long term long positions. 股市长期是涨的。 - Write calls for long term positions - Write put and then buy call. - Vertical bull spreads. ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP finishstrong 发表于 1/25/2019 2:04:35 PM
你这个不大对啊。。 ”用很远很便宜“
你这个远, 是指 really out of money, 还是指 expiration?
1) expiration 远, option就不便宜 2)really out of money的, 根本就起不到hedge 作用。 你的股票即使跌了, 你的out of money option也涨不起来。。。
niernier1111 发表于 1/25/2019 2:11:07 PM
out of money. It is to watch out black swan day, which will wipe out 3xETF.
I bought 10% OTM, around $1 each. And only hold 10% capital overnight. So the max loss is 1% of my capital.
It is to protect capital, not to gain some quick money by gambling. ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
- 用很远很便宜的put hedge overnight long term long positions. 股市长期是涨的。 - Write calls for long term positions - Write put and then buy call. - Vertical bull spreads. ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP finishstrong 发表于 1/25/2019 2:04:35 PM
你这个不大对啊。。 ”用很远很便宜“
你这个远, 是指 really out of money, 还是指 expiration?
1) expiration 远, option就不便宜 2)really out of money的, 根本就起不到hedge 作用。 你的股票即使跌了, 你的out of money option也涨不起来。。。
- 用很远很便宜的put hedge overnight long term long positions. 股市长期是涨的。 - Write calls for long term positions - Write put and then buy call. - Vertical bull spreads. ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP finishstrong 发表于 1/25/2019 2:04:35 PM
你这个不大对啊。。 ”用很远很便宜“
你这个远, 是指 really out of money, 还是指 expiration?
1) expiration 远, option就不便宜 2)really out of money的, 根本就起不到hedge 作用。 你的股票即使跌了, 你的out of money option也涨不起来。。。
Just sold all stocks after market at $55.35-55.37. Since I didn’t sell to close calls on time, I will be assigned 2000 shares during this weekend. Luckily I sold 1 slot of my ESPP so free 10% more cash.
The tricky part was I suddenly found they started to charge me commission fee, which means I did more than 100 transactions for stocks this month. No I regret I used to sell and buy 1 stock for fun. 100 is not a big number at all.
楼主坏人,DT赚的钱还不够手续费和交税的,更别提大几率是亏钱 briel 发表于 1/26/2019 12:36:23 AM
我交易股票每月有一百次免手续费。
但不明白交易费为什么会成为障碍。买单设低一毛,卖单设高一毛,交易费不就留出来了?更何况这算cost. 如果连交易费用都cover不了,你只有Capital loss没有gain,又怎么需要上税?如果你需要上税,说明有short Term capital gain, 税最多占约30%, 你还留着70%, 何来”不够”一说?
Actually if I didn't DT, my investment of last year were still under the water. Which one is riskier, being a pig or being a DT? I would say being a pig.
Actually if I didn't DT, my investment of last year were still under the water. Which one is riskier, being a pig or being a DT? I would say being a pig.
finishstrong 发表于 1/21/2019 5:53:27 PM
迟早见外婆。从买买提古板历史看,历届大牛,哪怕曾经赚了几百万,只要做option,最后都见了外婆。 double819 发表于 1/26/2019 8:23:38 AM
Actually if I didn't DT, my investment of last year were still under the water. Which one is riskier, being a pig or being a DT? I would say being a pig.
finishstrong 发表于 1/21/2019 5:53:27 PM
迟早见外婆。从买买提古板历史看,历届大牛,哪怕曾经赚了几百万,只要做option,最后都见了外婆。 double819 发表于 1/26/2019 8:23:38 AM
- 3xETF 涨得快,跌得更快,一次黑天鹅事件或者恶意操纵都有可能归零。所以专业的建议是不要拿过夜。 - 一直认为资金管理和风验控制是重中之重。一个青蛙上3xmargin,哪怕是交易大盘ETF都有可能被margin call wipe out. 所以,划重点:新手,老老实实用自己的现金DCA大盘ETF(SPY)。注意不是2倍,也不是3倍,更不是reverse. - 如何DCA? 就是每月定期,比如初一十五拿工资的时候,划固定的钱,比如5-10%, 存到Robinhood ( I have no relationship with it, not use it, just hear it is commission free and can buy fraction of stocks). 钱到帐的那天收盘前几分,设个market单(有经验的设limit单)。 - 假如你要卖之,研究建议是刚开盘。 - DCA适用中长期,因为bear market你虽买到了更多的shares, 却也必须等股价反弹才能获利,所以六个月内不应该期待急用这些资金。
Some MM asked about how I was dealing with TNA when it dropped suddenly last year end. This pic might be illustrative: I (kind of) DCAed from Feb to Oct, until I held 324 shares with avg. cost of around $68. Then I was in China when it bumped to about $68 so I missed the chance of out. When it was deepest in the water, my loss was 7%, about $8000. After this year's 14 days of trading, I now gained 2%+. If I did nothing, I could be still under the water. I didn't dare to DCA in Nov/Dec because I was scared that the market turned bear and TNA would go to zero.
For those keep saying: most DTers fail so you must fail, just a metaphor about the logic:
On the second day joined one of FLAG, in a bootcamp class, a senior engineer compared the rate of Harvard admission and the company's admission. Both are very little. So if 1000 applicants have failed, then I shouldn't apply? Non sense.
Aim to get a 12 uptrend days in a year, is this hard?
Well not hard in bull market. In bear market you need to subtract substantial losses.
I actually like your posts. Please continue. Just hope to warn newbies, don't just look at gaining and forget losses.
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童鞋你没看懂。lz的意思是赔几百当天就收手,当天在涨就继续。假设你今天赚了8000,明天跌了800收手,这样跌10天才能抵消一个up day。当然这种情况依然很可能
股市和赌博不完全一样,股市可以看消息。当天看涨再入市,存活几率能大点。当然依然要看眼光,谁都可能看走眼
看清楚了,一个up天至少顶两个down day.
你说的正是hold的风险。
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哇这么多TNA?LZ分享下去年8月TNA $96到12月$37这中间是怎么操作的?有没有买TNA?还有怎么选买那只的?参照的是啥标准?
I DCAed TNA until October. So I was holding 324 shares of them when it nose dived, with the average cost of $68. I was pretending to be dead and did nothing then until 1/8.
TNA is a perfect vehicle for DT since it is 3X so swings a long intraday. If long term, just buy SPY.
你要是trade过就知道所谓的cut loss short, let profit run根本就是门外汉的臆想,在真正的market上会把本金cut光。
重点来了:象庄家一样做option.
- 用很远很便宜的put hedge overnight long term long positions. 股市长期是涨的。
- Write calls for long term positions
- Write put and then buy call.
- Vertical bull call spreads at uptrend momentum.
Today is a bull day because in daily chart yesterday closed above SMA60. No wonder跳空高开。In such a day, buy dip.
我现在在是60%仓,大机率盘尾和盘后结算所有,拿现金过周末,所以不用买put,
我只是在复述lz的意思,我不是trader不做day trade。讨论而已。你有更好的策略欢迎讨论。没有观点光说门外门内汉有什么意义?
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你这个不大对啊。。
”用很远很便宜“
你这个远, 是指 really out of money, 还是指 expiration?
1) expiration 远, option就不便宜
2)really out of money的, 根本就起不到hedge 作用。 你的股票即使跌了, 你的out of money option也涨不起来。。。
而且我也说过了,股市可以看消息。当天看涨再入市,存活几率能大点。能有些vision再加上cut loss short, let profit run赚钱概率是可以大于赔钱概率的。单靠一句话就能赚钱,那机器人岂不是执行的更好更赚钱?
out of money. It is to watch out black swan day, which will wipe out 3xETF.
I bought 10% OTM, around $1 each. And only hold 10% capital overnight. So the max loss is 1% of my capital.
It is to protect capital, not to gain some quick money by gambling. ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
庄家就是用高频机器交易
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那是庄家,高频机器也是要靠大数据AI算的,哪有靠一句话赚钱的机器人呢
LZ 这10% OTM是已经卖了吗? 53,53.5 的option 又是什么时候买的? 买时的目的也是hedge 吗?
不好意思问得比较细,实在是挺有意思的.
是的,14个49元的put前天.28卖了。
53和53.5是上周四买的,to chase the trend, 上周五经验不足没来得及卖。今天才出水。万幸。 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
还是找工作,一份努力一分收获。
随便。又不矛盾。 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
楼主这句英文。。。。。汗。但是楼主很喜欢在楼里使用英文
楼主根本还没入门的投资技能。。。。。更汗。但是楼主已经在炫耀和指导别人
是啊。楼上那本ebook前两章有TA派和Random Walk的作者的debate, TA派就是如是说,which I agree. ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
2001-2008很多day traders, 平时轻松赚钱,2008 crisis, 血本无归。
现在也是牛市,赚钱轻松,哪天股市大跌,前面的几年十几年所有赚的一天就没了。
要是day trader一直那么好赚钱,谁还朝九晚五工作?世界上聪明的人多了。
我又不是学英文的。
中文用手机可以手写,在laptop 只能用英文。
我的目的是分享,因为一度非常郁闷,在家里坐吃山空,ESPP和RSU去年大盘一跌就跌了一年的salary, 太被动了。现在发现主动进攻风险反而小了。
你根本没follow整个楼,就断章取义。再重复三遍:风险控制,风险控制,风险控制。新手DCA SPY。我自始自终都没鼓励大家尤其是新手DT,反而一直是反对👎的。 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
你说的容易,做day trader 谁不知道风险控制。
告诉你吧,大多数的全职portfolio mamager收益还不如大盘收益,这都是有铁板钉钉研究证明的,不要说day traders.
还charts, trading rule,要是technical analysis 能打过大盘,谁会把这些“赚钱”的法子贴网上?傻啊, 让大家都知道,自己不赚了?
随便你。只说一句:船小好调头。 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
这条路是走不通的,除非你能做到稳定盈利 ---- 目前看你还没入门
没错。等楼主解释。不过她好像自动忽略你这个问题了 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
就提供一个分享Tip,TD ameritrade的fee是可以调的如果你是老客户的话。我的Fee 调到了5块以下。
是手续费吗?现在有几家不是$4.95吗?
我答了:这个是买的保险,write off ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
当猪死得更快
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我要close almost all positions now. ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
如果下周看跌的话不准备买TZA,然后用 option 保护吗?
你没有回答啊。。
你这个保险, 到底是买 far out of money option, 还是买 expiration 很远的option?
Far OTM ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
我看牛。减仓是DT的纪律。
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没realized也算? ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
先mark,有空再看
The tricky part was I suddenly found they started to charge me commission fee, which means I did more than 100 transactions for stocks this month. No I regret I used to sell and buy 1 stock for fun. 100 is not a big number at all.
Thanks for encouraging! ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
我交易股票每月有一百次免手续费。
但不明白交易费为什么会成为障碍。买单设低一毛,卖单设高一毛,交易费不就留出来了?更何况这算cost. 如果连交易费用都cover不了,你只有Capital loss没有gain,又怎么需要上税?如果你需要上税,说明有short Term capital gain, 税最多占约30%, 你还留着70%, 何来”不够”一说?
BTW Robinhood是没有交易费的,但我个人没用过。
迟早见外婆。从买买提古板历史看,历届大牛,哪怕曾经赚了几百万,只要做option,最后都见了外婆。
我知道你在说什么。我老公正在半仓options 赌ER, 这也是我劝他的。
时间能证明一切。 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
没仔细爬楼,就看到这层,这真的是见外婆的节奏 (半仓 + option + 赌er)。 我等小青蛙还是老老实实买股票吧,dip了就买,用好dca大法。
果然53calls被exercise, 吃惊的是手续费才6.95, 我还以为是20, 感觉占了小便宜。
昨晚想明白了,其实我蛮可以在盘后short同样多的股票,这样exercise 就算buy to cover了。又涨了点经验,高兴。 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
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我在投资上面说话非常直接,毕竟是重要的事,马虎不得。就你这个水平,连这个都是第一次刚学,我真是无语。你写这个标题,完完全全是糊弄人,不知道为什么你水平那么差,还非要写这种标题,把自己放到那么高的位置,玩TNA,都是3X高杠杆,完全是给赌徒玩的。几十年玩股票持续赚钱的即使DT也没人玩这个的。 你贴这个帖子不光害人,还害己。你自己全家在股市里赌博,不知道亏了多少钱,现在还贴出来害人。
因为别的broker是20手续费。 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
不知道你哪来的无比的优越感。我的确以前没有遇上过这个case,都有第一次。大家都是从小青蛙成长的。重要的是学习。我也没有凭这个楼给自己图什么金钱上的好处。还是几句话:投资需谨慎,时间证明一切。
你连盘后可以卖当天已经exercised的option都不知道,完完全全新手一个。那你写什么成功转行?DT一天顶全职一个月?你骗自己,还误导别人。
四点起来研究股票?
成功不成功,难道你说了才算? 大牙都笑掉了 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
PCT.
==7am ET. Premarket is open. ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
- 3xETF 涨得快,跌得更快,一次黑天鹅事件或者恶意操纵都有可能归零。所以专业的建议是不要拿过夜。
- 一直认为资金管理和风验控制是重中之重。一个青蛙上3xmargin,哪怕是交易大盘ETF都有可能被margin call wipe out. 所以,划重点:新手,老老实实用自己的现金DCA大盘ETF(SPY)。注意不是2倍,也不是3倍,更不是reverse.
- 如何DCA? 就是每月定期,比如初一十五拿工资的时候,划固定的钱,比如5-10%, 存到Robinhood ( I have no relationship with it, not use it, just hear it is commission free and can buy fraction of stocks). 钱到帐的那天收盘前几分,设个market单(有经验的设limit单)。
- 假如你要卖之,研究建议是刚开盘。
- DCA适用中长期,因为bear market你虽买到了更多的shares, 却也必须等股价反弹才能获利,所以六个月内不应该期待急用这些资金。
这些细节我不care ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
我原本写有标题党的,后来太长只能删了。
我现在才知道原来你就是那个练深蹲,老公跳到高薪工作,谷歌退休那位。你把照片换了,所以现在才知道。我实话说,你那套完完全全是亏钱的操作。
你觉得盯着股市调低风险就可以赚钱?这个谁不知道?如果只是就这样可以赚的比亏的少的话,大家都赚钱了。你玩股票时间也不算短了,就你目前到的这个水平,基本上来说你是没有天分的。有天分的都会很快知道什么陷阱不要去踩,然后所以操作都要接近完美,才能勉强大多数时间赚钱。股市陷阱非常非常的多,即使有天分学习快的大多数都熬不到勉强大多数时间赚钱,都被磨光了耐心和钱财。你这个学习股市的速度和领悟,以后不可能在股市DT里赚钱。股市dt不像其他专业,只有顶上的通吃,水平即使毕较高的可是差一点点的都亏钱。
真佩服你时时能敲一大段中文。
都说了,一年只要有二十个big days, 我就达到目标了。钱赚不完的。
而且老实说我是用大资本搏小波段。普通人用DT的requirement, 赚个零花钱也是可以的。 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
Thanks for understanding, really appreciate it.
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你不是做day trading吗?那每天应该都有买卖吧
realized, ok.
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隔三差五? Was your Chinese taught by a PE teacher???
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