"third party straming (KODI) is what i assume you are asking about. it is a grey area. when streaming, you arent retaining a copy of the file, only watching it which is why it differs from downloading. in most places, the person hosting the stream is breaking the law, and in some(most) places, simply watching the stream is in a nice grey area. ISP's can send you letters on behalf of the content owners (the content owners have your IP, they use ISP to forward messages since they dont get your personal info from the ISP. in these letters they usualy try and scre you into paying a fine. DO NOT pay the fine and DO NOT reply. if you reply, they know who you are. currently they have not won the right in court to get names from ISP`s. Finally, streaming is harder to even catch, as the data being transmitted isnt "traceable" in the sense that a torrent/downloaded file is. they dont see your IP address when you are streaming, and as a result streaming almost never generated even any warning messages. Tl;dr consensus is that streaming is not being punished. in most places it is illegal to host streams, or to distribute "Fully loaded" android boxes, but not to stream the content."
"third party straming (KODI) is what i assume you are asking about. it is a grey area. when streaming, you arent retaining a copy of the file, only watching it which is why it differs from downloading. in most places, the person hosting the stream is breaking the law, and in some(most) places, simply watching the stream is in a nice grey area. ISP's can send you letters on behalf of the content owners (the content owners have your IP, they use ISP to forward messages since they dont get your personal info from the ISP. in these letters they usualy try and scre you into paying a fine. DO NOT pay the fine and DO NOT reply. if you reply, they know who you are. currently they have not won the right in court to get names from ISP`s. Finally, streaming is harder to even catch, as the data being transmitted isnt "traceable" in the sense that a torrent/downloaded file is. they dont see your IP address when you are streaming, and as a result streaming almost never generated even any warning messages. Tl;dr consensus is that streaming is not being punished. in most places it is illegal to host streams, or to distribute "Fully loaded" android boxes, but not to stream the content."
According to Plaintiff, Defendants used BitTorrent, peer-to-peer file sharing protocols, to reproduce, redistribute, and perform the Work. 你找到这个是用BitTorrent 了,这种要装软件才能用的比较好抓,跟streaming不一样
According to Plaintiff, Defendants used BitTorrent, peer-to-peer file sharing protocols, to reproduce, redistribute, and perform the Work. 你找到这个是用BitTorrent 了,这种要装软件才能用的比较好抓,跟streaming不一样
大多数vpn都是国外的吧?难道vpn也没用了么...那手动改ip呢?
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btw,我并不是支持看盗版。我收集正版Blu-ray。
但我正遭遇类似的事情。就是那种parking management的parking ticket。老要挟我可能要上庭,烦死了。我暂时还是决定不管。
我觉得楼主是有点胆小, 但是安全为上, 你也可以不理, 让comcast和版权方走到下一步, 最坏结果就是法官判你罚款, 案子是肯定有的你多半是会输的, 你当然也可以赌对方不会真告(就像我们当初一样, 主要是我们当初也没有settle 的 option.)
话说多瑙片源多真心不希望他倒闭所以总是为它捏着把汗。vip我只买过一个月后来发现所谓的高清也就720p并没多高清就不买了,那种年费的不知道谁会买,我是完全不敢感觉这种网站随时倒闭卷钱走人了
美国的,好象最近网通过的
这些公司的business model就是这样的,赚的就是settlement的几千块,你不理就没啥事,他们不会去花一个人几千块的诉讼费打赢不了的官司,但是你当初要是跟lz一样去找律师,这个settle的option反而就出来了
而且民事诉讼和刑事诉讼完全不同,不需要proof beyond reasonable doubt,只需要法官/或陪审团认为51%可能性(preponderance of the evidence)你就输了
民事诉讼当然不是犯罪,但是仍然有记录,以后各种事情(比如申请贷款或者绿卡),也可能有问题。。。
谢谢mm提醒!
在redit上看到的一些comments,感觉比较靠谱
https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/6vaul9/is_it_illegal_to_stream_movies_online/
这个。。。我觉得举证责任应该在告你的一方啊,innocent until proven guilty
那么多人看多瑙,又不下载不传播,都没事的样子。。。lz有没有隐藏了什么信息没说啊?
it is a grey area. when streaming, you arent retaining a copy of the file, only watching it which is why it differs from downloading.
in most places, the person hosting the stream is breaking the law, and in some(most) places, simply watching the stream is in a nice grey area.
ISP's can send you letters on behalf of the content owners (the content owners have your IP, they use ISP to forward messages since they dont get your personal info from the ISP. in these letters they usualy try and scre you into paying a fine. DO NOT pay the fine and DO NOT reply. if you reply, they know who you are. currently they have not won the right in court to get names from ISP`s.
Finally, streaming is harder to even catch, as the data being transmitted isnt "traceable" in the sense that a torrent/downloaded file is. they dont see your IP address when you are streaming, and as a result streaming almost never generated even any warning messages.
Tl;dr consensus is that streaming is not being punished. in most places it is illegal to host streams, or to distribute "Fully loaded" android boxes, but not to stream the content."
从reddit里看的
实话实说,比如我浏览 YouTube, 看个电影觉得好看就看了,谁知道他有没版权啊?这不应该是用户负责的事儿吧。YouTube 多瑙这些给我看电影也是强加广告的,挣钱获利的行为,有不妥的应该去告这些公司,客户端怎么可能负责辨别?
lz确定不是被人骗了吗?诈骗团伙?
www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/24173185/BODYGUARD_PRODUCTIONS,_INC_v_DOES_132
所以其他31个都没事?
楼主涉及的是民事法庭里的诉讼案,不管是庭外和解还是法官判决,都不能成为犯罪记录
这个不是我,我的是这个月和解的
谢谢楼主答复。这的确是个真事,楼主mm是好心和网友分享自己的遭遇。
看到下面这篇说这个原告在多个地区法院起诉同一事由:
torrent-defenders.com/bodyguard-productions-inc-suing-in-new-york-hawaii-colorado-illinois/
我不是上来问的,我是上来提醒大家最好看正版,分享一下我的经历, 为什么没有告多瑙我怎么知道?而且我就是在线看了一下,没有隐藏任何信息。回复这么多只是不想让别人认为我是骗子而已。
是的,根本就是自己不给自己找任何借口
这算有罪推定了
需要控方来证明一定是有这么干的,而不是辩方来证明没这么干
同感
好像有不少人收到这种信:
https://www.avvo.com/legal-guides/ugc/did-you-receive-a-letter-from-comcast-or-other-internet-provider-about-a-copyright-lawsuit
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-to-do-if-your-named-bit-torrent-lawsuit.html
Some defendants have fought back with either (1) a Motion to Quash, which asks the court to invalidate the subpoena, or (2) a Motion to Dismiss, which asks the Court to dismiss them from the lawsuit. These motions are often successful.
反击成功可能还是蛮大的。
你是专业律师吗?
我咨询过3家律师事务所,还有我的律师朋友, 得出的结论是和解是最好的办法。
律师应该出主意说你该怎么辩解,怎么找借口
上庭的话,律师费就不是这么一点了,明白了?再加上你去上庭产生的费用,将会大于和解的费用。
楼主先谢谢你的分享。有两个问题,第一,你跟你的律师见过面吗?还是只是网上找的律师,没见过面?第二,前面几个妹子找到的case,是你的case吗?
我读书少,这个就是看多瑙??
1)网上找的律师,电话视频过。
2)是我的case
如果是这样,那那个律师真是不专业,或者是存心不良
我估计多瑙用的flash会一边下载的同时会一边上传给其他人,这是我个人的猜测。
网站算是内容提供服务商,服务商提供的东西,有时候不是用户选择的,用户当然没有责任
什么事情不要想当然,家里用的网线公司确实可以提供用户的地址电话,而且如果你有非法下载,人家立刻就知道了,但是一般都是警告先,露珠是不是运气不好?要不就是原告已经收集资料告了,
网上找的律师,没见过面,可能就想怎么省事怎么来了
反正也没打算做长久生意
楼主有没有咨询过该怎么为自己辩解找理由开脱呢?
嗯,这篇文章里说的是楼主案件里的原告,而且说的是同一个影片,又提到了楼主的地区法院,所以我以为包含了楼主的案子。但你说的有道理,看多瑙,如果是在浏览器里看的话,应该不属于你引的那种情况。不过我见识短,不知多瑙提供了哪些观看办法,是否支持你引的那种观看方式。
我前面还给了个链接,就是楼主的案件。但看不到详情,不知那里原告说的是哪种观看方式。也许楼主mm愿意分享下诉状?
大部分网上传输的内容可能是经过加密的,人家是怎么知道的?
你找到这个是用BitTorrent 了,这种要装软件才能用的比较好抓,跟streaming不一样
问过啊,借口邻居什么的, 如果法官信,你就没事,但是很大程度法官是不会信的,因为这个要你去证明。
被抓到IP就是下载?还是谢谢楼主提醒,虽然我自己不看
看我在328楼里给的链接,那个链接就是楼主的案子。但看不到详情,不知原告诉状里是否提到哪种观看方式。
你评论的是我给的另一个链接,那里没给案件号码,所以难以确认是否是说楼主的案件,是我大意了,抱歉。
原告有你的IP还有时间,这就是证据
同意,本来就理亏,被抓到就花个小钱消灾,这种事要是记录以后各种麻烦,别说这种诉讼,就是账单不按时付都会影响credit score,good moral character在美国是很重要的,申请贷款,工作,绿卡,公民。。。
谢谢理解,握手
你这是有罪推定,实际情况一般是原告要证明必须是被告,不可能是别人;而不是被告找出到底谁在冒充自己。
你第一个链接的号码是BODYGUARD PRODUCTIONS, INC. v. DOES 1-32
1:18-cv-02495,你第二个链接下面也有这个号码,在IL那一堆案件里面
lz是收到警告信就去找律师settle了。。。
所以说是过度反应阿,这时候那边根本没有你的info你自己跳出来人家当然很高兴收你几千块settle了事的,不出来的话,这种公司是不会真正花诉讼费进行到下一步专门来告lz的,前几页有个妹子就是这种情况,警告信不理就不会有下文了
我查了下多瑙影院提供了“BT”和“迅雷”两种下载方式,所以很有可能楼主就是这样观看那个影片的。
见 www.dnvod.tv/dl_help.aspx
那第二个链接也是说的这个案子,看我在新加的379楼里的信息
不是,我是游客方式,就是看网页上的
哦,那我就不解原告是怎么得到你的IP的了,除非是多瑙提供给他们的
哈哈,恐怕这才是真正的原因呢
IP可以由comcast提供,但是多瑙的网页上是加密链接啊,内容是加密的,怎么被ISP截取的就奇怪了
COMCAST怎么知道你看的内容?他只知道你去了这个网站,并不会知道你看的啥吧?
网页上的真没法作为证据,甚至可以说是网页自动弹出播放的,本人根本不知情
楼主可以把计算机清理一下,就没有缓存了
我的理解是IP名单是原告提供给comcast的。原告给comcast发了法院的传票,要求comcast提供拥有这些IP用户的信息。所以comcast给这些用户发了通知。
试想如果IP是comcast提供的,那原告给comcast发的法院传票里包含了楼主的什么信息让Comcast确定原告是在告哪些用户呢?
http截取很难的,技术上不充分。
ISP不是利益方也不是起诉方,没事也不会去抓这种事,除了某些高校的网络主动去抓校内盗版。
99.99%的情况,楼主是在用BT下载多瑙上的种子,
碰巧遇上版权商通过钓鱼做种,直接和下载人握手建立连接,获得IP地址。
通过BT下载时,会用到特殊端口、特殊协议,罪证确凿,起诉书上也写明用了BT软件下载。
之后,版权方再拿着IP地址,去找ISP(Comcast这时候才知道),Comcast通过查IP租约记录(一般来说这是ISP唯一保存的信息)追踪到楼主,再把这件事forward给楼主。
这种被抓包的情况,楼主抵赖不了,咨询了几个律师之后,乖乖交钱。但又心有不甘非常懊悔,所以上网来来散布假新闻。
如果用点播软件/网站直接看的话,用户和点播网站打交道,点播网站和版权方打交道,用户和版权方八竿子打不着。
这个case,是因为抓到确切的BT下载端口、协议、IP、握手信息,能够证明楼主不是bonafide,才能够起诉的。
据楼主说她是在浏览器里看的,所以有可能楼主的浏览器里装了一个扩展或插件具有p2p功能,或者说某个p2p软件可以以浏览器扩展或插件的形式使用。这就类似adobe acrobat reader可以作为独立使用的软件让用户阅读pdf文件,但它也提供了一个浏览器扩展或插件的变体,在浏览器里安装了它,就能在浏览器里直接看pdf。
Chrome
+1
虽然有点亡羊补牢的意思,但我还是建议楼主查查你的chrome里都装了哪些扩展,辨认下有没有带有bt,迅雷,或bitterrent字样的扩展,最好卸载所有你不知用途的扩展,不然你怎么能确定将来不会有其它公司告你侵犯版权呢?