Facebook 小组找出章莹颖案的一个小细节 - 失踪人口名单

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Myntete
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Facebook 小组发现了一些可能被大家忽视的小细节,推论章莹颖很大可能已不在人世。
FBI 在拘捕 BC 后不久就从 Kidnapping and Missing Persons 的名单上撤下了章莹颖的名字。 http://foxillinois.com/news/local/missing-u-of-i-scholar-removed-from-fbis-kidnapping-and-missing-persons-list

可 FBI 的惯例并不是一抓到疑犯就会假设受害人已死亡的。Facebook 小组成员找到了另一宗绑架案作为比较。 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Alexis_Murphy

此案的疑犯已被判刑。FBI 虽认为这名受害女孩已死亡,她的名字和详细资料却仍留在 FBI 失踪人口的名单上。 https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/copy_of_alexis-tiara-murphy
由此可推断 FBI 很大可能已找到了可间接证明章莹颖死亡的证据,否则他们不会把章的名字移出失踪人口名单。他们的证据有可能是大量的血迹或人体内脏器官组织。
章家多少应知道 FBI 的论据。如此来看他们目前的行为就不奇怪了。
1. 用在搜索活人和遗体的资源肯定有很大的差别。尤其是受害人有可能被疑犯禁锢在缺水缺粮的地方,生命在慢慢消失,拯救行动根本是在争分夺秒。
正常人一定会跟 FBI 力争,要求他们以人仍在世的假设尽力搜索及把章莹颖的资料重新放上失踪人口名单。那样如章莹颖在其他州出现或被偷运出国,也有更大的机会被警察或民众认出。
2. 如 FBI 在没有合理的解释下就认定章莹颖已死亡,身为她的家人正常反应是去跟 FBI 拼命。就算章莹颖的父母小姨弟弟胆小及不知道利害,候霄霖可是受过高等教育的北大博士生。
3. 如 FBI 真的那么混蛋轻忽怠慢这宗案件,正常来说家人应会立刻想方设法自己去找章莹颖。人在异乡,自己如没门路,最简单做法是立刻把手上的十五万美金全推出去做赏金,之后再上 GFM 筹集捐款加码赏金。到时黑白两道资深资浅的都会出动。又怎会浪费时间上国内热搜和做什么预算案呢。

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由此可见,章家人是心里有数的,他们现在的行为也有了合理的解释。
BC 原来的律师申请退出此案,原因是指控跟他们接案时不同。FBI 可能已找到了新的有力证据。
小夯夯
这家人太恶心了。。。
我是谁重要吗
我一直认为这家人知道很多我们不知道的,即FBI已经有body或body残片,但因为extremely decomposed,而且和很多生活垃圾什么(from landfill)混在一起,找起来需要了很多时间,ID身份也需要比较长的时间,因此他们在抓紧时间敛钱。
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mooncrane
这家人为了钱啥也不要了
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shishiyunqi
我一直认为这家人知道很多我们不知道的,即FBI已经有body或body残片,但因为extremely decomposed,而且和很多生活垃圾什么(from landfill)混在一起,找起来需要了很多时间,ID身份也需要比较长的时间,因此他们在抓紧时间敛钱。
我是谁重要吗 发表于 9/16/2017 8:32:30 AM
我也觉得是这样
我是谁重要吗
以下的推测来自Penda——

When Christensen was arrested at the end of June the FBI said ZYY was "presumed dead". Just two weeks later, they removed her from their list of kidnapped / missing persons. This leads me to believe they could have remains beyond just blood or organs - could also be a body. If ZYY's parents did not know ZYY was removed from the FBI list, HXL (monkey sperm) must have known ... he should be smart enough to put two and two together.

It is notable that only two weeks after ZYY was removed from the FBI missing person's list the GFM purpose changed from searching for her to "please help fulfill ZYY's dream of supporting her family" and the goal was increased from $150,000 to $1,000,000

Also, there is a UIUC student who might speak with people at the school re: the 100 day vigil. Since ZYY was removed from the FBI list mid-July, the vigil is not really commemorating 100 days missing...
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shishiyunqi
以下的推测来自Penda——

When Christensen was arrested at the end of June the FBI said ZYY was "presumed dead". Just two weeks later, they removed her from their list of kidnapped / missing persons. This leads me to believe they could have remains beyond just blood or organs - could also be a body. If ZYY's parents did not know ZYY was removed from the FBI list, HXL (monkey sperm) must have known ... he should be smart enough to put two and two together.

It is notable that only two weeks after ZYY was removed from the FBI missing person's list the GFM purpose changed from searching for her to "please help fulfill ZYY's dream of supporting her family" and the goal was increased from $150,000 to $1,000,000

Also, there is a UIUC student who might speak with people at the school re: the 100 day vigil. Since ZYY was removed from the FBI list mid-July, the vigil is not really commemorating 100 days missing...
我是谁重要吗 发表于 9/16/2017 8:45:35 AM
哈哈,monkey sperm 。。。
habibi
Facebook 小组发现了一些可能被大家忽视的小细节,推论章莹颖很大可能已不在人世。
FBI 在拘捕 BC 后不久就从 Kidnapping and Missing Persons 的名单上撤下了章莹颖的名字。 http://foxillinois.com/news/local/missing-u-of-i-scholar-removed-from-fbis-kidnapping-and-missing-persons-list

可 FBI 的惯例并不是一抓到疑犯就会假设受害人已死亡的。Facebook 小组成员找到了另一宗绑架案作为比较。 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Alexis_Murphy

此案的疑犯已被判刑。FBI 虽认为这名受害女孩已死亡,她的名字和详细资料却仍留在 FBI 失踪人口的名单上。 https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/copy_of_alexis-tiara-murphy
由此可推断 FBI 很大可能已找到了可间接证明章莹颖死亡的证据,否则他们不会把章的名字移出失踪人口名单。他们的证据有可能是大量的血迹或人体内脏器官组织。
章家多少应知道 FBI 的论据。如此来看他们目前的行为就不奇怪了。
1. 用在搜索活人和遗体的资源肯定有很大的差别。尤其是受害人有可能被疑犯禁锢在缺水缺粮的地方,生命在慢慢消失,拯救行动根本是在争分夺秒。
正常人一定会跟 FBI 力争,要求他们以人仍在世的假设尽力搜索及把章莹颖的资料重新放上失踪人口名单。那样如章莹颖在其他州出现或被偷运出国,也有更大的机会被警察或民众认出。
2. 如 FBI 在没有合理的解释下就认定章莹颖已死亡,身为她的家人正常反应是去跟 FBI 拼命。就算章莹颖的父母小姨弟弟胆小及不知道利害,候霄霖可是受过高等教育的北大博士生。
3. 如 FBI 真的那么混蛋轻忽怠慢这宗案件,正常来说家人应会立刻想方设法自己去找章莹颖。人在异乡,自己如没门路,最简单做法是立刻把手上的十五万美金全推出去做赏金,之后再上 GFM 筹集捐款加码赏金。到时黑白两道资深资浅的都会出动。又怎会浪费时间上国内热搜和做什么预算案呢。

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由此可见,章家人是心里有数的,他们现在的行为也有了合理的解释。
BC 原来的律师申请退出此案,原因是指控跟他们接案时不同。FBI 可能已找到了新的有力证据。

Myntete 发表于 9/16/2017 5:55:06 AM
既然他们知道人已经死了,那就收拾收拾回国,还赖在美国干嘛?吃捐款?
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Myntete
哈哈,monkey sperm 。。。
shishiyunqi 发表于 9/16/2017 8:50:31 AM
Penda 不懂中文。她是用Google Translate来这里看贴的。😂😂
habibi
我一直认为这家人知道很多我们不知道的,即FBI已经有body或body残片,但因为extremely decomposed,而且和很多生活垃圾什么(from landfill)混在一起,找起来需要了很多时间,ID身份也需要比较长的时间,因此他们在抓紧时间敛钱。
我是谁重要吗 发表于 9/16/2017 8:32:30 AM
家人都在做个DNA测试不就得了,有尸体就能提DNA
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heiyexin929
谁还关心zyy怎样怎样啊?就是一敛财工具而已。
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meeow
这件事就作为一个教训吧。出门在外,不管是在什么地方、什么时间,都不能放松警惕。

遇到有yellow fever的白人搭讪,他要是心理正常,也许会成就一段佳缘;若是像章一样倒霉碰上那种不尊重生命的变态,还心存幻想,下场就在眼前了。
金银岛
家人都在做个DNA测试不就得了,有尸体就能提DNA

habibi 发表于 9/16/2017 9:11:11 AM
这样说来,章母来的目的之一是为了提取DNA。估计FBI不日要宣布结论了。到时看🐒精是不是还要继续募捐
pmmp
想了想 应该是“猴精”翻译过来的LOL


哈哈,monkey sperm 。。。

shishiyunqi 发表于 9/16/2017 8:50:00 AM
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heiyexin929
募捐肯定是不会停的。人家一开募捐的目的就是养老养小的,已经够明确的了。


这样说来,章母来的目的之一是为了提取DNA。估计FBI不日要宣布结论了。到时看🐒精是不是还要继续募捐

金银岛 发表于 9/16/2017 12:53:00 下午
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mindstorm
这样说来,章母来的目的之一是为了提取DNA。估计FBI不日要宣布结论了。到时看🐒精是不是还要继续募捐

金银岛 发表于 9/16/2017 12:53:40 PM
父亲也能做。不需要母亲来好不好?
Singforyou
所以说他们早就知道差不多结果就那样了, 活着的能捞一点是一点? 说不定还能全家留美迅速致富。不然死的多冤枉啊。
reindeerww
这家人为了钱啥也不要了
ninian
赞Monkey sperm
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Copocopo
今天好像又上热搜了吗?
YTD1Smore
Monkey Demon.
Lbobo
猴精...
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Fluffypigu
I meant to say that the goal was increased from $150,000 to $500,000 not $150,000 to $1,000,000.  Also, I think the FBI did not officially announce finding remains in July not only due to degradation of DNA but because they wanted to definitively link what they found back to BC before charging him with murder.  Finally to clarify, Alexis Murphy's alleged killer is in prison but she's still on the FBI's list of kidnapped / missing person's because they have yet to find remains: https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap.
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Fluffypigu
Also, apologies for the "monkey sperm" ... apparently that's how bing translator understands "monkey demon" ... I repeated it in group as an inside joke but didn't mean it to be public 🐒🐳'
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fish_fish
今天好像又上热搜了吗?
Copocopo 发表于 9/16/2017 5:10:54 PM
明天百日纪念活动,请大家保持热度,继续捐钱
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Fluffypigu
This should probably have it's own separate thread but: we called the realtor of the house where the Zhang family is staying.  There is a 30 day move-out clause if someone buys the house.  The letter released by the Zhang family states that rent was paid 6 months in advance.  It's doubtful that the Zhang's paid 6 months in advance on a house that could be purchased at any time.  I think it would also be embarrassing for the owner who probably lives in the Champaign community to "take advantage" of the family's situation by charging rent on a house that has been on the market since April 2017 and been difficult to sell.  It also would not look good to charge rent, knowing that the money is coming from donations.  An attorney has suggested that if this is in fact a lie that was told to donors, it might be considered fraud.
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Fluffypigu
For people who mentioned DNA you might be interested in ZYY's entry on NamUs (National Missing and Unidentified Persons System), which was initiated by the National Institute of Justice (NIJ).  On the left under the DNA tab it says "initial inquiry underway": https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/38594/0/.  Compare to Alexis Murphy (mentioned earlier in this post) the DNA tab states: "sample is currently not available": https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/26794/0/.
Also, apologies for the "monkey sperm" ... apparently that's how google translate understands "great actor" ... I repeated it in group as an inside joke but didn't mean it to be public 🐒🐳'
Fluffypigu 发表于 9/16/2017 6:41:47 PM
"monkey sperm" , you made my day
Welcome to this thread to discuss with us more: http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2202324&page=418
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Fluffypigu
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Thanks!  You are very kind!  I will look at the link you posted    🐒🐳
我是谁重要吗
回复 28楼又的帖子

Thanks!  You are very kind!  I will look at the link you posted    🐒🐳
Fluffypigu 发表于 9/16/2017 7:20:56 PM
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mona123
monkey sperm😂😂😂😂😂绝了
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VanilaiceCream
这家人为了钱啥也不要了
mooncrane 发表于 9/16/2017 8:34:29 AM
正常人知道这样的消息应该是伤心欲绝,章家人还能若无其事守口如瓶,那个所谓的男盆友还能在发布会情不自禁喜笑颜开~~
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linghan
正常人知道这样的消息应该是伤心欲绝,章家人还能若无其事守口如瓶,那个所谓的男盆友还能在发布会情不自禁喜笑颜开~~
VanilaiceCream 发表于 9/16/2017 7:34:24 PM
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linghan
唉社会现实的让人心寒,人性暴露的让人心寒
Narnia
唉 所以章家说不找到zyy就不回家 就是我们在美国不走了的意思
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Myntete
For people who mentioned DNA you might be interested in ZYY's entry on NamUs (National Missing and Unidentified Persons System), which was initiated by the National Institute of Justice (NIJ).  On the left under the DNA tab it says "initial inquiry underway": https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/38594/0/.  Compare to Alexis Murphy (mentioned earlier in this post) the DNA tab states: "sample is currently not available": https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/26794/0/.

Fluffypigu 发表于 9/16/2017 7:08:34 PM
从这个资料库的数据可以推论出 FBI 已起码找到了章莹颖部份的遗体,而找到的部份已足够使 FBI 相信章已不在人世。章家或多或少应该知道 FBI 掌握了什么证据,故从未对 FBI 将章莹颖以 presumed dead 处理发表任何不满或异议,也没花任何资源去找私家侦探。
金银岛
父亲也能做。不需要母亲来好不好?

mindstorm 发表于 9/16/2017 3:44:25 PM
从楼上一个mm贴的网站看到,如果双亲都在的话,是两人都要验的

https://www.findthemissing.org/documents/NamUs-DNA_Protocol_for_Collection.pdf
Cumberbitch
这还用说吗,当然知道人已经死了。所以家属不想拿钱找人了,人死不能复生,认了现在要钱是拿钱养老的。 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
micheer
章MM好可怜...
这种变态人渣不死刑没法相信正义了。
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Fluffypigu
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I agree... Again, the GFM campaign purpose changed only two weeks after ZYY was taken off the FBI kidnapped / missing list.  It went from searching for ZYY to "...support to fulfill YingYing’s wish to help her family".  This alone seems like a clue that HXL and/or others knew the FBI already found ZYY.  I believe they only reverted back to the original goal of "searching" for ZYY because donors complained.  At the same time they reverted to the original goal, a bogus estimate of $500,000 to $1,000,000 was given as cost for the "search".  Why give a bogus estimate?  Because $500,000 to $1,000,000 USD is a healthy retirement fund, especially when converted to RMB.

Someone else on this thread posted a link about Elaine Park.  Her mom hired a PI to look for Elaine using money from GFM: http://www.snappytv.com/tc/4072959.  The Park campaign barely has $15,000 compared to the Zhang campaign that has $150,000, yet the Zhang's say they are "nowhere near" what they need to hire a PI??? Unbelievable. The FBI seem to have located ZYY and her alleged killer. Elaine's mother has neither; I wish that some of the hundreds of thousands in donations that the Zhang's have, could be kindly given to the Park family. I think the Park family needs and deserves answers more than the Zhang's need and deserve a future retirement fund.
Viviennedd
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这是胡说八道,失踪的人多了,章家再不堪,也是那些华人给ZYY捐的,真是什么人都想分一杯羹了。章家作到没底线,申请退款很合理,但是现有募捐善款还是应该是章家所有,捐款人不申请退款就是默认给家属了。
金银岛
回复 40楼Fluffypigu的帖子

这是胡说八道,失踪的人多了,章家再不堪,也是那些华人给ZYY捐的,真是什么人都想分一杯羹了。章家作到没底线,申请退款很合理,但是现有募捐善款还是应该是章家所有,捐款人不申请退款就是默认给家属了。
Viviennedd 发表于 9/16/2017 10:29:15 PM
那就是句气话。我觉得两个家庭同样"needs and deserves answers"
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Fluffypigu
回复 41楼Viviennedd的帖子

Google might not be translating properly for me so forgive me in advance if I misunderstood what you commented - "This is nonsense, missing more people, the chapter and then unbearable, but also those who donated to the ZYY, really what people want to share a cup of soup. Zhang made no bottom line, apply for a refund is reasonable, but the existing fundraising or donations should be all the family, the donor does not apply for a refund is the default to the family."

1.  Not everyone who has asked for a refund from the Zhang family GFM campaign has received it; not even close.
2.  I never demanded that the Zhang family help the Park family find peace for their daughter who is likely deceased.  I simply wished that just as the Zhang family said they wanted "justice" and needed money to "search" they might sympathize with another grieving family and spread some positive karma.  The Zhang family appealed to the US President for help "fervently requesting" him to "...direct ALL AVAILABLE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND INVESTIGATORY RESOURCES ... to find our daughter as soon as possible".  ALL?  The entire army of US LE should be deployed to search for ZYY (put aside the obvious conclusion that the FBI already located ZYY mid-July) while neglecting all other cases of missing/kidnapped persons?  

My wish for positive karma is a wish that there was less entitlement.

Anyway, obviously the Zhang's do not have to refund anything.  They can keep whatever they like and it seems nobody can force them to do otherwise.  If you think they deserve all available law enforcement and $1,000,000 retirement fund while other families grieve with no closure, this is your opinion and you are allowed to have it.  I fully disagree.
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Myntete
回复 40楼Fluffypigu的帖子

这是胡说八道,失踪的人多了,章家再不堪,也是那些华人给ZYY捐的,真是什么人都想分一杯羹了。章家作到没底线,申请退款很合理,但是现有募捐善款还是应该是章家所有,捐款人不申请退款就是默认给家属了。
Viviennedd 发表于 9/16/2017 10:29:15 PM
-- 善意不分种族。只要有能力,可去帮助任何值得帮助的人。

-- 捐款给章家的不止华人。不少不懂中文的捐款者根本不知道目前在章家捐款问题上的争议。

--  有些要求退捐的捐款人收不到退款。

--  章家的律师改变 GFM 上募捐的目的,本身担任的各个角色又有利益冲突。这个募捐活动已有诈骗的悬疑。章家能否合法地拥有 GFM 上的捐款还两说。
Viviennedd
回复 43楼Fluffypigu的帖子

Zyy family is obviously not decent. But as long as they don't break the law, those donors, who generously helped, should be in the place to decide whether or not to make a withdraw. What we are doing on this forum is to make sure public is informed, NOT to make a decision who deserves the funds. In other words, people who don't ask for refund deserve to be respected. Look down on zyy family, but respect their rights.
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Fluffypigu
回复 45楼Viviennedd的帖子

Hi!  I think there's still confusion with regards to what I said ... Perhaps it is my fault that I did not express myself well or perhaps it is the language barrier.  

1.  I think people can do whatever they want with their own money.  I agree that it's important people have as much information as possible about a fundraising campaign so they can make an informed decision whether or not to donate.  

2.  "As long as they don't break the law" ... but HXL or the Zhang's might have.  If you go back a few posts you will see where I shared that the Zhang's are staying in a house that is currently up for sale.  The Zhang's claim they paid 6 months rent in advance; this is likely not true and is considered fraud to lie to donors about where / how funds are used.  Also, it is potentially illegal that the GFM campaign purpose was changed without notifying previous donors.  Perhaps you should read some of attorney Chuck Guo's articles on the legal issues.  I am not an attorney so I cannot explain them as fully as he can.  Here's one of them: https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/wov2G1tEAv35rwVrk9oexQ  

3.  Again, I did not mean to imply deserve or not deserve; I simply wish for greater equality

4.  "people who don't ask for refund deserve to be respected" - I agree; see point #1.  My intention is not to tell people where to spend their money.  There are many people who asked for a refund though and did not get it.    These people would rather give their money to families such as Elaine Park or Jenny Chen.
Viviennedd
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就这个募捐来说,这份善意是给zyy的,值得帮助的人,每个人定义不同,应该尊重别人的选择。募捐在这里有转发,甚至国内论坛都有人去广而告之,至于不懂中文的募捐者,也应该从前两星期GFM留言看到争议。申请退款拿不到,去GFM申诉,改变募捐款用途也解决不了这个问题。骗捐诈捐也是一样的,没有法律介入,其他人没有权力去改变募捐款用途。
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Facebook 小组发现了一些可能被大家忽视的小细节,推论章莹颖很大可能已不在人世。

章家多少应知道 FBI 的论据。如此来看他们目前的行为就不奇怪了。

Myntete 发表于 9/16/2017 5:55:06 AM

是的,我之前就是这么分析的。滕森被抓,警方搜查车辆和公寓,就应该已经通知章家人有血迹或者组织,极大可能zyy已经没有生还机会了。
所以章家从6月底之后目标专注于敛财。撒谎,敛财。根本不去找人,消息也是各种自相矛盾,毕竟编的不一定次次都圆满。