行动起来制止章家继续骗捐!一楼给IL Bar模版信!律师删掉更新64楼!!!!!!!!!

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shishiyunqi
楼主 (北美华人网)
新开个楼专门讨论如何停止gofundme募捐,联系媒体,联系uiuc,联系北大。。。

1、Contact the Illinois Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission. http://www.iardc.org

稍微改了几个小地方,希望有学法律的可以来润色。里面有一点不确定的是貌似这个fundraising不是那个律师发起的,是另一个组织,这里面法律关系我不清楚,希望有人能够修改。

I am writing to report a fund raising fraud and trust violation by attorney Roaa Al-Heeti, practice at Dodd & Maatuka, Champaign, IL 61821, with her clients.

Attorney Roaa Al-Heeti initiated the fund raising for the missing scholar, Yingying Zhang of UIUC at GoFundMe. Here is the link,
https://www.gofundme.com/missing-u-of-i-scholar
As Zhang’s family attorney, Roaa Al-Heeti is the person withdrawing funds in the name of the Zhang family. The money is in Maatuka Al-Heeti Dorantes Emkes LLC Law Firm Trust.

This campaign was originally set up to search for Yingying with the goal of $15,000. In a very short period of time, this goal was raised to $30,000, $50,000, $100,000, $150,000, and now $500,000 aiming 1 million. The goal of fund raising was also changed from searching Yingying to compensate her family without disclosing it to the previous donors. It aroused a lot of questions and complaints. You can get a rough picture from the comments on GofundMe web page as well as media reports as follows.

https://nextshark.com/missing-chinese-scholars-zhang-yingying-family-accused-of-using-donations-to-move-to-the-u-s/
https://qz.com/1065406/chinese-donors-hoping-to-find-a-missing-student-zhang-yingying-now-suspect-her-family-is-using-the-money-to-immigrate-to-the-us/

Per 18 U.S. Code § 1343 - Fraud by wire, we strongly recommend you commission to investigate this matter. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me at ????(email).

Thank you.
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shishiyunqi
2 楼
我是谁重要吗提供:

Complaints About Lawyers
Contact the Illinois Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission.
这个链接,大家可以汇总几个链接:GoFundMe、律师最新更新,加上几篇英文文章如下:
https://nextshark.com/missing-chinese-scholars-zhang-yingying-family-accused-of-using-donations-to-move-to-the-u-s/
https://qz.com/1065406/chinese-donors-hoping-to-find-a-missing-student-zhang-yingying-now-suspect-her-family-is-using-the-money-to-immigrate-to-the-us/

律师反复更改捐款目标,不通知之前的捐款人这些都属于fraud,只要投诉了Bar一般马上开始调查,会冻结那个捐款
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shishiyunqi
3 楼
大楼里有提供媒体联系方式的麻烦再贴一下。
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sweetapple123
4 楼
刚去看gofundme上面update好像删掉了
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hyckenan
5 楼
回复 1楼shishiyunqi的帖子

友情提示:新的更新已经删掉了。
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gaxiaoya
6 楼
太无耻了, 不能让他们这么骗下去
阳光小美女
7 楼
刚去看gofundme上面update好像删掉了
sweetapple123 发表于 9/1/2017 9:03:09 AM
这家人真牛啊
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shishiyunqi
8 楼
刚去看gofundme上面update好像删掉了
sweetapple123 发表于 9/1/2017 9:03:09 AM
删掉算个鬼,还好昨晚有同学备份了
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shishiyunqi
9 楼
强迫症患者想说楼主能把停止改成制止吗
gaxiaoya 发表于 9/1/2017 9:04:51 AM
改了,谢谢
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shishiyunqi
10 楼
wow,包头律师update一次,删一次,是不是10K就到手了。下面怎么办?得让gofundme关闭账号退钱。
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jumpjump
11 楼
刚去看gofundme上面update好像删掉了
sweetapple123 发表于 9/1/2017 9:03:09 AM

华人肯定有眼线。看到风向不对马上补救。无耻
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xiafanle
12 楼
支持

如果需要联合签名捐款,我愿意
我是谁重要吗
13 楼
我草拟了一个

I am writing to report a fund raising fraud and trust vialation by Attorney Roaa Al-Heeti, practice at Dodd & Maatuka , Champaign, IL 61821, with his clients.

Attorney Roaa Al-Heeti initiated the fund raising for the missing scholar, Yingying Zhang of UIUC at GoFundMe. Here is the link,
https://www.gofundme.com/missing-u-of-i-scholar
As Zhang’s family attorney, Roaa Al-Heeti is the person withdrawing funds in the name of the Zhang family. The money is in Maatuka Al-Heeti Dorantes Emkes LLC Law Firm Trust.

This campaign was originally set up to search for Yingying with the goal of $15,000. In a very short period of time, this goal was raised to $30,000, $50,000, $100,000, $150,000, and now $500,000 aiming 1 million. The goal of fund raising was also changed from searching Yingying to compensate her family without disclosing it to the previous donors. The Attorney withdrawed almost &5,000 for herself within very short period of time. It aroused a lot questions and complaints. You can get a rough picture from the comments on GofundMe webpage as well as media reports as follows.

https://nextshark.com/missing-chinese-scholars-zhang-yingying-family-accused-of-using-donations-to-move-to-the-u-s/
https://qz.com/1065406/chinese-donors-hoping-to-find-a-missing-student-zhang-yingying-now-suspect-her-family-is-using-the-money-to-immigrate-to-the-us/

Per 18 U.S. Code § 1343 - Fraud by wire, we strongly recommend you commission to investigate this matter. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me at ????(email).

Thank you.
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xiafanle
14 楼
我草拟了一个

I am writing to report a fund raising fraud and trust vialation by Attorney Roaa Al-Heeti, practice at Dodd & Maatuka , Champaign, IL 61821, with his clients.

Attorney Roaa Al-Heeti initiated the fund raising for the missing scholar, Yingying Zhang of UIUC at GoFundMe. Here is the link,
https://www.gofundme.com/missing-u-of-i-scholar
As Zhang’s family attorney, Roaa Al-Heeti is the person withdrawing funds in the name of the Zhang family. The money is in Maatuka Al-Heeti Dorantes Emkes LLC Law Firm Trust.

This campaign was originally set up to search for Yingying with the goal of $15,000. In a very short period of time, this goal was raised to $30,000, $50,000, $100,000, $150,000, and now $500,000 aiming 1 million. The goal of fund raising was also changed from searching Yingying to compensate her family without disclosing it to the previous donors. It aroused a lot questions and complaints. You can get a rough picture from the comments on GofundMe webpage as well as media reports as follows.

https://nextshark.com/missing-chinese-scholars-zhang-yingying-family-accused-of-using-donations-to-move-to-the-u-s/
https://qz.com/1065406/chinese-donors-hoping-to-find-a-missing-student-zhang-yingying-now-suspect-her-family-is-using-the-money-to-immigrate-to-the-us/

Per 18 U.S. Code § 1343 - Fraud by wire, we strongly recommend you commission to investigate this matter. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me at ????(email).

Thank you.
我是谁重要吗 发表于 9/1/2017 9:18:44 AM
支持
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shishiyunqi
15 楼
谢谢MM,这就去发,我放在一楼。
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我草拟了一个

I am writing to report a fund raising fraud and trust vialation by Attorney Roaa Al-Heeti, practice at Dodd & Maatuka , Champaign, IL 61821, with his clients.

Attorney Roaa Al-Heeti initiated the fund raising for the missing scholar, Yingying Zhang of UIUC at GoFundMe. Here is the link,
https://www.gofundme.com/missing-u-of-i-scholar
As Zhang’s family attorney, Roaa Al-Heeti is the person withdrawing funds in the name of the Zhang family. The money is in Maatuka Al-Heeti Dorantes Emkes LLC Law Firm Trust.

This campaign was originally set up to search for Yingying with the goal of $15,000. In a very short period of time, this goal was raised to $30,000, $50,000, $100,000, $150,000, and now $500,000 aiming 1 million. The goal of fund raising was also changed from searching Yingying to compensate her family without disclosing it to the previous donors. It aroused a lot questions and complaints. You can get a rough picture from the comments on GofundMe webpage as well as media reports as follows.

https://nextshark.com/missing-chinese-scholars-zhang-yingying-family-accused-of-using-donations-to-move-to-the-u-s/
https://qz.com/1065406/chinese-donors-hoping-to-find-a-missing-student-zhang-yingying-now-suspect-her-family-is-using-the-money-to-immigrate-to-the-us/

Per 18 U.S. Code § 1343 - Fraud by wire, we strongly recommend you commission to investigate this matter. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me at ????(email).

Thank you.
我是谁重要吗 发表于 9/1/2017 9:18:44 AM
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hyckenan
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回复 13楼我是谁重要吗的帖子

稍微改了几个小地方,希望有学法律的可以来润色。里面有一点不确定的是貌似这个fundraising不是那个律师发起的,是另一个组织,这里面法律关系我不清楚,希望有人能够修改。

I am writing to report a fund raising fraud and trust violation by attorney Roaa Al-Heeti, practice at Dodd & Maatuka, Champaign, IL 61821, with her clients.

Attorney Roaa Al-Heeti initiated the fund raising for the missing scholar, Yingying Zhang of UIUC at GoFundMe. Here is the link,
https://www.gofundme.com/missing-u-of-i-scholar
As Zhang’s family attorney, Roaa Al-Heeti is the person withdrawing funds in the name of the Zhang family. The money is in Maatuka Al-Heeti Dorantes Emkes LLC Law Firm Trust.

This campaign was originally set up to search for Yingying with the goal of $15,000. In a very short period of time, this goal was raised to $30,000, $50,000, $100,000, $150,000, and now $500,000 aiming 1 million. The goal of fund raising was also changed from searching Yingying to compensate her family without disclosing it to the previous donors. It aroused a lot of questions and complaints. You can get a rough picture from the comments on GofundMe web page as well as media reports as follows.

https://nextshark.com/missing-chinese-scholars-zhang-yingying-family-accused-of-using-donations-to-move-to-the-u-s/
https://qz.com/1065406/chinese-donors-hoping-to-find-a-missing-student-zhang-yingying-now-suspect-her-family-is-using-the-money-to-immigrate-to-the-us/

Per 18 U.S. Code § 1343 - Fraud by wire, we strongly recommend you commission to investigate this matter. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me at ????(email).

Thank you.
我是谁重要吗
18 楼
我家了一句 The Attorney withdrawed almost &5,000 for herself within very short period of time.麻烦楼主加上吧
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shishiyunqi
19 楼
回复 13楼我是谁重要吗的帖子

MM,能不能发个complain的link,我一下没找到,要加在一楼
20 楼
刚去看gofundme上面update好像删掉了
sweetapple123 发表于 9/1/2017 9:03:09 AM
wk,如果说昨天的更新令人震惊的话,短短一天之后就删掉更新简直可以说是惊悚了。这是把大家当傻子吗?还是觉得美国没有法律能管得了他们? ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
我是谁重要吗
21 楼
回复 13楼我是谁重要吗的帖子

MM,能不能发个complain的link,我一下没找到,要加在一楼
shishiyunqi 发表于 9/1/2017 9:28:47 AM

我帖子里有, Complaints About Lawyers Contact the Illinois Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission.
笨笨熊
22 楼
Bar只能调查律师是否有违规行为 对其他人无任何管辖权 更不能冻结捐款
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shishiyunqi
23 楼

我帖子里有, Complaints About Lawyers Contact the Illinois Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission.

我是谁重要吗 发表于 9/1/2017 9:30:36 AM
看了好像没有能email的地方,只能寄去?
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shishiyunqi
24 楼
Bar只能调查律师是否有违规行为 对其他人无任何管辖权 更不能冻结捐款

笨笨熊 发表于 9/1/2017 9:33:53 AM
那请你说说怎么能stop他们在gofundme上的捐款?
笨笨熊
25 楼
wow,包头律师update一次,删一次,是不是10K就到手了。下面怎么办?得让gofundme关闭账号退钱。
shishiyunqi 发表于 9/1/2017 9:11:10 AM
这钱让不让律师挣都必然是被坑了,就是被谁坑而已。能退钱的赶紧去退钱,并且和gofundme说明是fraud,人越多, gofundme关闭账户的可能性越大
26 楼
http://www.ag.state.il.us/charities/reg_reports.html

Audited Financial Statements - are required if gross contributions exceeded $300,000 or if the organization used a paid professional fundraiser which raised contributions in excess of $25,000. Contributions include the gross sums paid by the public for merchandise, rights or services of the organization, as well as cash donations.

根据《中华人民共和国公益事业捐赠法》第二十三条规定:“受赠人应当公开接受捐赠的情况和受赠财产的使用、管理情况,接受社会监督”。作为捐赠人的一方,有权利知道自己捐款具体的去向,是否根据自己的意愿投放善款。其它未捐款的民众也有义务去监督善款的使用。”
我是谁重要吗
27 楼
It is possible there is a conflict of interest or issue of fee contingency with a lawyer advocating for donations when she is paid from those donations: (http://www.illinoiscourts.gov/SupremeCourt/Rules/Art_VIII/ArtVIII_NEW.htm): 'A lawyer shall not enter into an arrangement for, charge, or collect: (1) any fee in a domestic relations matter, the payment or amount of which is contingent upon the securing of a divorce or upon the amount of alimony or support, or property settlement in lieu thereof.' It is possible in this case that the gofundme campaign is a "domestic relations matter" where legal fees are contingent upon securing donations.

所以当然会调查律师,而且因为律师费用是从这个出的,应该可以冻结
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lanseduonaoher
28 楼
帮顶帮顶帮顶
笨笨熊
29 楼
那请你说说怎么能stop他们在gofundme上的捐款?

shishiyunqi 发表于 9/1/2017 9:37:09 AM
能关闭募捐的只有两种方法 一是gofundme自行主动关闭 二是有法院命令 强制gofundme关闭账户 bar只是一个管理律师的民间组织
笨笨熊
30 楼
It is possible there is a conflict of interest or issue of fee contingency with a lawyer advocating for donations when she is paid from those donations: (http://www.illinoiscourts.gov/SupremeCourt/Rules/Art_VIII/ArtVIII_NEW.htm): 'A lawyer shall not enter into an arrangement for, charge, or collect: (1) any fee in a domestic relations matter, the payment or amount of which is contingent upon the securing of a divorce or upon the amount of alimony or support, or property settlement in lieu thereof.' It is possible in this case that the gofundme campaign is a "domestic relations matter" where legal fees are contingent upon securing donations.

所以当然会调查律师,而且因为律师费用是从这个出的,应该可以冻结

我是谁重要吗 发表于 9/1/2017 9:38:51 AM
也许会调查律师,但绝对无权冻结募捐 你再仔细读读 这段话里面有没有说冻结律师费用的source?
31 楼
It is possible there is a conflict of interest or issue of fee contingency with a lawyer advocating for donations when she is paid from those donations: (http://www.illinoiscourts.gov/SupremeCourt/Rules/Art_VIII/ArtVIII_NEW.htm): 'A lawyer shall not enter into an arrangement for, charge, or collect: (1) any fee in a domestic relations matter, the payment or amount of which is contingent upon the securing of a divorce or upon the amount of alimony or support, or property settlement in lieu thereof.' It is possible in this case that the gofundme campaign is a "domestic relations matter" where legal fees are contingent upon securing donations.

所以当然会调查律师,而且因为律师费用是从这个出的,应该可以冻结

我是谁重要吗 发表于 9/1/2017 9:38:51 AM

这个好,我觉着要把前男友发的那个明细翻译成英文,并连同原始连接寄给bar, 证明律师费用是捐款出的
不过domestic relations matter 似乎不大适用吧?domestic relations matter指family dispute, 比如离婚家暴私生子
我是谁重要吗
32 楼
也许会调查律师,但绝对无权冻结募捐 你再仔细读读 这段话里面有没有说冻结律师费用的source?

笨笨熊 发表于 9/1/2017 9:42:03 AM
钱在律师的trust账户上,当然是调查的一部分,可以冻结的
1. Roaa Al-Heeti is the Zhang family attorney.
2. Roaa Al-Heeti will be withdrawing funds in the name of the Zhang family
3. Through Maatuka Al-Heeti Dorantes Emkes LLC Law Firm Trust
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9wan
33 楼
我是谁重要吗提供:

Complaints About Lawyers
Contact the Illinois Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission.
这个链接,大家可以汇总几个链接:GoFundMe、律师最新更新,加上几篇英文文章如下:
https://nextshark.com/missing-chinese-scholars-zhang-yingying-family-accused-of-using-donations-to-move-to-the-u-s/
https://qz.com/1065406/chinese-donors-hoping-to-find-a-missing-student-zhang-yingying-now-suspect-her-family-is-using-the-money-to-immigrate-to-the-us/

律师反复更改捐款目标,不通知之前的捐款人这些都属于fraud,只要投诉了Bar一般马上开始调查,会冻结那个捐款

shishiyunqi 发表于 9/1/2017 8:58:01 AM

赞。
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paradoxlove
34 楼
赞lz一个
笨笨熊
35 楼
钱在律师的trust账户上,当然是调查的一部分,可以冻结的
1. Roaa Al-Heeti is the Zhang family attorney.
2. Roaa Al-Heeti will be withdrawing funds in the name of the Zhang family
3. Through Maatuka Al-Heeti Dorantes Emkes LLC Law Firm Trust
我是谁重要吗 发表于 9/1/2017 9:44:22 AM
那这是不同的reasoning了, you can try, but I don't think bar would be able to do anything about the trust fund without a court finding in favor of the complainant/petitioner. You need bear this in mind, bar is not any part of judiciary. I wish you the best!
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Anyone knows whether donors have standing to file a complaint to court concerning the fraud? For instance, as a group of donors, or a class action?
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goldfish
37 楼
Complain 移民律师非常有用,穆斯林女的需要给bar解释原因
笨笨熊
38 楼
Anyone knows whether donors have standing to file a complaint to court concerning the fraud? For instance, as a group of donors, or a class action?
木 发表于 9/1/2017 9:52:21 AM
it's certainly doable, but that probably require another fund raising for attorney fees to bring the suit......
我是谁重要吗
39 楼
it's certainly doable, but that probably require another fund raising for attorney fees to bring the suit......  

笨笨熊 发表于 9/1/2017 9:59:52 AM
找到一个愿意Pro Bono 的律师就不必预先支付律师费,譬如郭律师
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xiafanle
40 楼
ICE举报非移或诈骗网站

https://www.ice.gov/webform/hsi-tip-form
笨笨熊
41 楼
找到一个愿意Pro Bono 的律师就不必预先支付律师费,譬如郭律师

我是谁重要吗 发表于 9/1/2017 10:03:32 AM
是的, 我觉得去法院比找律协有力。如果人多资源多, 多管齐下不是不可以
我是谁重要吗
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回复 41楼笨笨熊的帖子

其实我最担心的是,章家这样做下去,英文报道也开始越来越多了,被告一方律师据此编一个“reasonable doubt”,可能会最终脱罪,可怜的章妹妹谁来给伸冤?她家人就不在乎吗?
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swangnyc
43 楼
我建议大家不要把重要信息再在华人说了, 他们那边及时蹲点的

我昨天晚上就是考虑到这点,没有提出来我和uiuc email 的证据, 证明学校根本和提高到50万美金更改捐款用途毫无关系。

我们该怎么错才能防止有人鱼龙混杂进来呢? 我这里可以联系到律师
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paradoxlove
44 楼
这个已经违法或者是灰色地带了吧。先用一个目的募捐,然后再修改目的,那之前捐的算什么
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sunny988
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回复 41楼笨笨熊的帖子

其实我最担心的是,章家这样做下去,英文报道也开始越来越多了,被告一方律师据此编一个“reasonable doubt”,可能会最终脱罪,可怜的章妹妹谁来给伸冤?她家人就不在乎吗?
我是谁重要吗 发表于 9/1/2017 10:12:36 AM

她家人只在乎钱,趁着热度赶快捞💰是他们的目的。章MM只是他家的一个投资产品而已,他们现在只考虑怎么利用她能获取最大收益,其它的都不管不顾。
笨笨熊
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回复 41楼笨笨熊的帖子

其实我最担心的是,章家这样做下去,英文报道也开始越来越多了,被告一方律师据此编一个“reasonable doubt”,可能会最终脱罪,可怜的章妹妹谁来给伸冤?她家人就不在乎吗?
我是谁重要吗 发表于 9/1/2017 10:12:36 AM

这个和庭审没关系。申冤这件事,从来都只能靠警察,检方和法官,而不是家人,群众和媒体
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shishiyunqi
47 楼
我建议大家不要把重要信息再在华人说了, 他们那边及时蹲点的

我昨天晚上就是考虑到这点,没有提出来我和uiuc email 的证据, 证明学校根本和提高到50万美金更改捐款用途毫无关系。

我们该怎么错才能防止有人鱼龙混杂进来呢? 我这里可以联系到律师
swangnyc 发表于 9/1/2017 10:17:15 AM
支持,但是比较难做得完全保密,这边可以开展一些群众运动,顺便威慑一下这帮贱人。
我是谁重要吗
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回复 43楼swangnyc的帖子

咱俩私下说,我能联系到记者,国内国外的都有
我是谁重要吗
49 楼

这个和庭审没关系。申冤这件事,从来都只能靠警察,检方和法官,而不是家人,群众和媒体

笨笨熊 发表于 9/1/2017 10:19:28 AM

但律师可以说,譬如她藏起来,家人不痛苦,四处募捐敛钱之类的,是个scam之类的
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swangnyc
50 楼
支持,但是比较难做得完全保密,这边可以开展一些群众运动,顺便威慑一下这帮贱人。

shishiyunqi 发表于 9/1/2017 10:19:57 AM
昨天晚上我在华人发了我有uiuc email 的事情后,前后三个id 联系过我,要我交出证据

我今天准备联系律师看看

大家真的要谨慎, 他们家一天到晚蹲点的。 你们说的话都会被他们利用来诈捐, 别好心办错事。
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shishiyunqi
51 楼
回复 41楼笨笨熊的帖子

其实我最担心的是,章家这样做下去,英文报道也开始越来越多了,被告一方律师据此编一个“reasonable doubt”,可能会最终脱罪,可怜的章妹妹谁来给伸冤?她家人就不在乎吗?
我是谁重要吗 发表于 9/1/2017 10:12:36 AM
章家一直都不承认zyy死了啊,这个官司很难打。
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swangnyc
52 楼
回复 43楼swangnyc的帖子

咱俩私下说,我能联系到记者,国内国外的都有
我是谁重要吗 发表于 9/1/2017 10:20:24 AM
你去联系又 然后我们统一一下

今天我打算联系律师
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shishiyunqi
53 楼
另外大家说说章家声称不见人不离开美国,这是不是企图违反了B visa?B visa本来就是短暂停留的。
54 楼
支持,但是比较难做得完全保密,这边可以开展一些群众运动,顺便威慑一下这帮贱人。

shishiyunqi 发表于 9/1/2017 10:19:57 AM
昨天晚上我在华人发了我有uiuc email 的事情后,前后三个id 联系过我,要我交出证据

我今天准备联系律师看看

大家真的要谨慎, 他们家一天到晚蹲点的。 你们说的话都会被他们利用来诈捐, 别好心办错事。

swangnyc 发表于 9/1/2017 10:21:28 AM
要你交出证据?这是在搞笑吗,谁给他们的勇气?梁静茹? ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
笨笨熊
55 楼
章家一直都不承认zyy死了啊,这个官司很难打。

shishiyunqi 发表于 9/1/2017 10:21:31 AM
ZYY是否死了完全不取决于章家承认与否。。。矮马
笨笨熊
56 楼

但律师可以说,譬如她藏起来,家人不痛苦,四处募捐敛钱之类的,是个scam之类的

我是谁重要吗 发表于 9/1/2017 10:21:57 AM

不是你想的这样 lol good luck
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mumuecho
57 楼
支持,起码威慑一下戏精
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sssccc
58 楼
搞这个律师我支持!说的那么好听收起律师费毫不手软,干什么了居然要$5000. 号召大家继续给他捐律师费是吧!
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sunny988
59 楼
搞这个律师我支持!说的那么好听收起律师费毫不手软,干什么了居然要$5000. 号召大家继续给他捐律师费是吧!
sssccc 发表于 9/1/2017 10:29:05 AM
Re。这个律师可能还能拿捐款提成
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cathytree
60 楼
捐的越多,律师费越高,按百分比提成。
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hyckenan
61 楼
回复 58楼sssccc的帖子

就怕到时候人家袍子一穿告你hate crime。
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shishiyunqi
62 楼
把gofundme的campaign弄close了最好,他们得把所有捐款都退回,无论已经用了多少,到时候神婆的私募不够填坑。
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jeantty
63 楼
邮件是发到这里吗?
Email inquiries seeking general ARDC information may be directed to [email protected].
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hulee
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hulee
65 楼
贴证据,现在已经被中东律师删了,很明显啊他们在华人上有眼线。
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shishiyunqi
66 楼
邮件是发到这里吗?
Email inquiries seeking general ARDC information may be directed to [email protected].
jeantty 发表于 9/1/2017 10:53:36 AM
但这个是inquiry,我没时间细找,好像只能填表邮寄?
67 楼
找到一个愿意Pro Bono 的律师就不必预先支付律师费,譬如郭律师

我是谁重要吗 发表于 9/1/2017 10:03:32 AM

要看这种fraud是state issue还是federal issue, 我的理解是,郭律师不能在IL执业,如果是federal issue可能可以。当然可以看看他的律所愿不愿意帮忙。
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Shopping223
68 楼
贴证据,现在已经被中东律师删了,很明显啊他们在华人上有眼线。
hulee 发表于 9/1/2017 11:10:28 AM

哈哈哈,那我在此贴发表不当言论:
做眼线的今天拉不出粑粑,晚上做爱无法高潮
69 楼
回复 41楼笨笨熊的帖子

其实我最担心的是,章家这样做下去,英文报道也开始越来越多了,被告一方律师据此编一个“reasonable doubt”,可能会最终脱罪,可怜的章妹妹谁来给伸冤?她家人就不在乎吗?
我是谁重要吗 发表于 9/1/2017 10:12:36 AM
估计他家人真不在乎,这种被利用的可能不用有法律常识不用有脑子,只要有心就能明白的
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harryrich
70 楼
邮件是发到这里吗?
Email inquiries seeking general ARDC information may be directed to [email protected].
jeantty 发表于 9/1/2017 10:53:36 AM
好像必须要写信。

What Is a Request for an Investigation of an Attorney? It is a request to us that we look into the conduct of an attorney who you believe has acted improperly. We will review your request to determine if an investigation is warranted. In most cases, we will initiate an investigation where the information you provide us suggests that the attorney engaged in illegal, dishonest or unethical conduct. Filing a request accusing an attorney of unethical conduct is a serious matter to the lawyer. We recommend that, whenever practical, you try to resolve any differences or disputes that do not concern claims of unethical conduct directly with the lawyer. How Do I Request an Investigation of an Attorney? By mailing to our office, either in Chicago or Springfield, a request that you want an attorney to be investigated by our office. Your request should be in writing. No special form is necessary. For your convenience, you may download a Request for Investigation form. Please return the Request by postal mail or hand-delivery. The ARDC does not accept an e-mail transmission of a Request for Investigation.
http://www.iardc.org/htr_filingarequest.html
71 楼
前后三个id 联系过我,要我交出证据

swangnyc 发表于 9/1/2017 10:21:28 AM

哇塞,胆子好大啊。
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shishiyunqi
72 楼

哈哈哈,那我在此贴发表不当言论:
做眼线的今天拉不出粑粑,晚上做爱无法高潮

Shopping223 发表于 9/1/2017 11:41:07 AM
太轻了,那边动不动就咒人死啊活的,人家不 care能不能拉出粑粑还是麻麻。
73 楼
那三个要求人交出证据的ID应该被曝光吧?
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cclinus
74 楼
支持楼主
75 楼
Only a person or persons with standing can file a court complaint, I guess. If so, one of the heavy lifting duty is to collect the donors' receipts and signatures for agreeing for filing the complaint.
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9wan
76 楼
支持,但是比较难做得完全保密,这边可以开展一些群众运动,顺便威慑一下这帮贱人。

shishiyunqi 发表于 9/1/2017 10:19:57 AM
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zhimatangyuan
77 楼
我草拟了一个

I am writing to report a fund raising fraud and trust vialation by Attorney Roaa Al-Heeti, practice at Dodd & Maatuka , Champaign, IL 61821, with his clients.

Attorney Roaa Al-Heeti initiated the fund raising for the missing scholar, Yingying Zhang of UIUC at GoFundMe. Here is the link,
https://www.gofundme.com/missing-u-of-i-scholar
As Zhang’s family attorney, Roaa Al-Heeti is the person withdrawing funds in the name of the Zhang family. The money is in Maatuka Al-Heeti Dorantes Emkes LLC Law Firm Trust.

This campaign was originally set up to search for Yingying with the goal of $15,000. In a very short period of time, this goal was raised to $30,000, $50,000, $100,000, $150,000, and now $500,000 aiming 1 million. The goal of fund raising was also changed from searching Yingying to compensate her family without disclosing it to the previous donors. The Attorney withdrawed almost &5,000 for herself within very short period of time. It aroused a lot questions and complaints. You can get a rough picture from the comments on GofundMe webpage as well as media reports as follows.

https://nextshark.com/missing-chinese-scholars-zhang-yingying-family-accused-of-using-donations-to-move-to-the-u-s/
https://qz.com/1065406/chinese-donors-hoping-to-find-a-missing-student-zhang-yingying-now-suspect-her-family-is-using-the-money-to-immigrate-to-the-us/

Per 18 U.S. Code § 1343 - Fraud by wire, we strongly recommend you commission to investigate this matter. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me at ????(email).

Thank you.

我是谁重要吗 发表于 9/1/2017 9:18:44 AM

支持!我们的爱心不能被滥用,北美华人的善良也不能被随意强奸!
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catalpa
78 楼
有个快沉了的楼里的问题帮贴问一下

[技术讨论贴]在美国募捐似乎需要SSN B签证也可以申请SSN吗?
突然觉得有点奇怪,当年来上学的时候没有收入的F签证是不能申请SSN的。不少同学为了搞到SSN申请信用卡还给老师打个小工啥的。

Federal law requires that we verify your SSN before you can withdraw your funds.  This helps to verify your identity and legal ability to receive funds in the US.  
This is a federal regulation that all online payment processors must follow to comply with anti-terrorism and money-laundering laws.

章家B签证也可以申请SSN吗?
https://support.gofundme.com/hc/en-us/articles/205575727-Why-do-I-need-to-provide-my-SSN-US-Only-
shishiyunqi 发表于 9/1/2017 12:01:06 PM
所以他们请了中东律师,不然和案子相关的律师都是义务帮忙,怎么会收5000刀
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VanilaiceCream
79 楼
那三个要求人交出证据的ID应该被曝光吧?
木 发表于 9/1/2017 11:47:12 AM
Exactly!!!!赞那位志勇双全的妹子
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zhimatangyuan
80 楼
我建议大家不要把重要信息再在华人说了, 他们那边及时蹲点的

我昨天晚上就是考虑到这点,没有提出来我和uiuc email 的证据, 证明学校根本和提高到50万美金更改捐款用途毫无关系。

我们该怎么错才能防止有人鱼龙混杂进来呢? 我这里可以联系到律师
swangnyc 发表于 9/1/2017 10:17:15 AM

要不建个微信群
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zhimatangyuan
81 楼
另外大家说说章家声称不见人不离开美国,这是不是企图违反了B visa?B visa本来就是短暂停留的。
shishiyunqi 发表于 9/1/2017 10:23:25 AM

旅游探亲签字重要是看入境的时候给了多久的逗留期限,我猜是给了半年,然后还可以延期半年。但是其间无法转成其他签证,譬如学生,但是章家很有可能申请受害人U签证,要不就是申请庇护。
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shishiyunqi
82 楼
from gofundme

Penda Spocks
38 mins ago
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Michelle Sun: The family lawyer is a partner in her law firm (http://www.doddlaw.net/Attorneys/Roaa-M-Al-heeti.html) and appears to have a good reputation... which begs the question of how this conflict of interest came to be. I looked up trust and wire fraud violation (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1343) - law is not my field of work so I can't make sense of it. The family's recently released letter to the public indicated that individuals affiliated with the University of Illinois suggested that the campaign purpose change to "help support the family" as per "Yingying's wish". Does that mean they are also legally liable for being involved in changing the campaign purpose without notifying donors? If so, this is getting out of hand - it's serious now.
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ysunny
83 楼
提个建议,你这信写的太长,我看了头几句,以为就是感谢我捐款的,根本不会往后面看。。。一般来说,没人会花很长时间看一个陌生人的邮件的。


有一个办法是那些捐款的有些不是匿名的,你们可以找他们的联系方式提醒他们。我已经联系了最近的一个捐款人:
Dear XXX,
I cannot help to notice that you have recently donated to support Yingying's families. I appreciate your kindness and willingness to support her families after her missing. Her families will be also grateful and use your money wisely in their future as a replacement of the income they are expecting from Yingying if she is still alive. She is a very kind girl and supporting her families with every penny she earned and I urge you to spread the word so a greater amount of money can be collected to support her only dream to support her families including the fully-grown brother and their future life. However, if it is not your intention to support her families as a replacement of Yingying or if you are not willing to take the privilege of supporting his parents from Yingying's brother, I urge you to take the donation back and make meaningful use of it.
Best regards,
Yongchun

hyckenan 发表于 9/1/2017 12:00:00 PM
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hyckenan
84 楼
可以考虑去这个网站曝光:http://gofraudme.com/
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na101
85 楼
我是谁重要吗提供:

Complaints About Lawyers
Contact the Illinois Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission.
这个链接,大家可以汇总几个链接:GoFundMe、律师最新更新,加上几篇英文文章如下:
https://nextshark.com/missing-chinese-scholars-zhang-yingying-family-accused-of-using-donations-to-move-to-the-u-s/
https://qz.com/1065406/chinese-donors-hoping-to-find-a-missing-student-zhang-yingying-now-suspect-her-family-is-using-the-money-to-immigrate-to-the-us/

律师反复更改捐款目标,不通知之前的捐款人这些都属于fraud,只要投诉了Bar一般马上开始调查,会冻结那个捐款

shishiyunqi 发表于 9/1/2017 8:58:01 AM
如果能冻结,我希望冻结吧。以前大家都想出一份力,现在看到满版的帖子加上她家人的表现,我忍不住想说几句话,虽然难听,可是是事实,“你死了一个女儿,凭什么觉得全世界人民要帮你买单?护照费,签证费,交通费,生活费,住宿费,送葬费,养老费,养全家费都要网友来出。”   简单点想,其实事情的本质是”一个双亲50多岁的四口之家死了一个女儿,还剩下一个儿子“就这么简单。以前媒体的渲染加上各种宣传,觉得他们可怜,现在想想,他们哪里可怜了?失去至亲的家庭千千万万,也没看见哪个家庭死了一个人会厚着脸皮出来集资捐款的。是不是哪个家庭每死了一个亲人就要网友集体出钱的?。。。。自己的女儿死了就自己承担金钱,生活,养老各方面的损失吧。。。rip你的女儿,但她的死不是我们造成的,我们不需要买单。
昨天我在想,之前看见有人说zyy拿着国家出钱的访问学者身份来美国,一落地就转换身份到F1,真是这样吗???如果是的话,虽然换身份的决定不难理解,但是也确实值得我们好好思考这种人值不值得大家这么卖力出钱给她家人养老。
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plantsvszombies
86 楼
昨天晚上我在华人发了我有uiuc email 的事情后,前后三个id 联系过我,要我交出证据

我今天准备联系律师看看

大家真的要谨慎, 他们家一天到晚蹲点的。 你们说的话都会被他们利用来诈捐, 别好心办错事。

swangnyc 发表于 9/1/2017 10:21:28 AM
一定要小心卧底伪装问你要证据啊!!!!
87 楼
要建微信群的话,就得要求群里实名,就像校友录和地区群那样,而且同意接受被linkedin or facebook, 不然难免被浑水摸鱼。
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Leongoodman
88 楼
太牛逼了
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TheGreatEscape
89 楼
我建议大家不要把重要信息再在华人说了, 他们那边及时蹲点的

我昨天晚上就是考虑到这点,没有提出来我和uiuc email 的证据, 证明学校根本和提高到50万美金更改捐款用途毫无关系。

我们该怎么错才能防止有人鱼龙混杂进来呢? 我这里可以联系到律师
swangnyc 发表于 9/1/2017 10:17:15 AM
交出证据?叫它们出示身份,然后顺便告它们骚扰罪
马甲的外套
90 楼
侯心虚了?
马甲29387
91 楼
找回章莹颖,法办章家人!
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HelloKitty666
92 楼
新开个楼专门讨论如何停止gofundme募捐,联系媒体,联系uiuc,联系北大。。。

1、Contact the Illinois Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission. http://www.iardc.org

稍微改了几个小地方,希望有学法律的可以来润色。里面有一点不确定的是貌似这个fundraising不是那个律师发起的,是另一个组织,这里面法律关系我不清楚,希望有人能够修改。

I am writing to report a fund raising fraud and trust violation by attorney Roaa Al-Heeti, practice at Dodd & Maatuka, Champaign, IL 61821, with her clients.

Attorney Roaa Al-Heeti initiated the fund raising for the missing scholar, Yingying Zhang of UIUC at GoFundMe. Here is the link,
https://www.gofundme.com/missing-u-of-i-scholar
As Zhang’s family attorney, Roaa Al-Heeti is the person withdrawing funds in the name of the Zhang family. The money is in Maatuka Al-Heeti Dorantes Emkes LLC Law Firm Trust.

This campaign was originally set up to search for Yingying with the goal of $15,000. In a very short period of time, this goal was raised to $30,000, $50,000, $100,000, $150,000, and now $500,000 aiming 1 million. The goal of fund raising was also changed from searching Yingying to compensate her family without disclosing it to the previous donors. It aroused a lot of questions and complaints. You can get a rough picture from the comments on GofundMe web page as well as media reports as follows.

https://nextshark.com/missing-chinese-scholars-zhang-yingying-family-accused-of-using-donations-to-move-to-the-u-s/
https://qz.com/1065406/chinese-donors-hoping-to-find-a-missing-student-zhang-yingying-now-suspect-her-family-is-using-the-money-to-immigrate-to-the-us/

Per 18 U.S. Code § 1343 - Fraud by wire, we strongly recommend you commission to investigate this matter. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me at ????(email).

Thank you.

shishiyunqi 发表于 9/1/2017 8:57:42 AM
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HelloKitty666
93 楼
回复 1楼shishiyunqi的帖子

强烈支持,发这封信要怎么个牵头?
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HelloKitty666
94 楼
钱在律师的trust账户上,当然是调查的一部分,可以冻结的
1. Roaa Al-Heeti is the Zhang family attorney.
2. Roaa Al-Heeti will be withdrawing funds in the name of the Zhang family
3. Through Maatuka Al-Heeti Dorantes Emkes LLC Law Firm Trust
我是谁重要吗 发表于 9/1/2017 9:44:22 AM

姐妹们有没有gofuneme上面捐款目的更改目的前后的截图信息,这个附加上应该有用。
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HelloKitty666
95 楼
回复 41楼笨笨熊的帖子

其实我最担心的是,章家这样做下去,英文报道也开始越来越多了,被告一方律师据此编一个“reasonable doubt”,可能会最终脱罪,可怜的章妹妹谁来给伸冤?她家人就不在乎吗?
我是谁重要吗 发表于 9/1/2017 10:12:36 AM

人家根本不在乎伸冤,妹子,这个案子拖的越久他们越开心,有更多时间赖在这里骗绿卡和捐款。人家来美国就从来没找过人,那么多事实摆在这里了你怎么还有这种想法。只有在美国的民众才在乎罪犯会不会被无罪释放再来害人。反正现在也是证据不足,即使找到body了,也未必能够证明是嫌犯杀的。
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HelloKitty666
96 楼
要你交出证据?这是在搞笑吗,谁给他们的勇气?梁静茹? ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
凡 发表于 9/1/2017 10:24:52 AM

把那些找你要证据的邮件都留下来,以后肯定会有用。
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HelloKitty666
97 楼

哈哈哈,那我在此贴发表不当言论:
做眼线的今天拉不出粑粑,晚上做爱无法高潮

Shopping223 发表于 9/1/2017 11:41:07 AM

祝愿那些给章家和侯当眼线和水军,都跟章YY一个下场-较劲心机出国被失踪,有个下作的父母,没用的弟弟和侯一样的男朋友或老公。
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HelloKitty666
98 楼
回复 79楼hyckenan的帖子

怎么找这些人的联系方法,我愿意帮忙。可以私信聊,免得被眼线给看到。
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HelloKitty666
99 楼
他们家不符合U签证的条件,网上已经科普过了,只能是B签证和ZZBH。人家来了两个月不到早就开始搞ZZHU了。

zhimatangyuan 发表于 9/1/2017 12:14:48 PM
马甲的外套
100 楼

人家根本不在乎伸冤,妹子,这个案子拖的越久他们越开心,有更多时间赖在这里骗绿卡和捐款。人家来美国就从来没找过人,那么多事实摆在这里了你怎么还有这种想法。只有在美国的民众才在乎罪犯会不会被无罪释放再来害人。反正现在也是证据不足,即使找到body了,也未必能够证明是嫌犯杀的。

HelloKitty666 发表于 9/1/2017 11:39:39 PM