谣言就是这么传出来的:08丈母娘的退休金

westlake
楼主 (北美华人网)
还记得前几天的新闻,让大家义愤填膺吗?说是奥巴马的丈母娘会得到每年16万的退休金。

现在知道完全是谣言,文学城也转载了,华人上还是寂静一片,估计大家都确信了美国历史上第一个黑人总统就是这么腐败吧?

自己看原文,恕不翻译:

http://www.snopes.com/marian-robinson-pension/
advv
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08主要带着一家老小到处公款旅游的事迹太深入人心了。不过这个退休金谣言造得实在太没水平。
译码
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08主要带着一家老小到处公款旅游的事迹太深入人心了。不过这个退休金谣言造得实在太没水平。
advv 发表于 10/22/2016 10:21:11 AM
re,他一家占纳税人便宜的形象已经根深蒂固了
ninian
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所以自己经营的形象让人很容易相信这事他做的出来。自己的问题
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vic3128
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只要是稍微还有正常思维的人,都不会相信一丝这个谣言。某粉们都抹黑水平实在堪忧,多了这种水平的造谣,看结果对谁有利。
picassososo
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看看楼上这些发言,造谣还有理了,呵呵
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fanslunary
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造谣当然不对,但专门开个帖这么急吼吼来辟谣的有点奇怪
屁歪歪屁
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如果有人造谣布什或者Trump给丈母娘发退休金,是没有人会相信的。
xzws2010
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造谣当然不对,但专门开个帖这么急吼吼来辟谣的有点奇怪
fanslunary 发表于 10/22/2016 12:33:00 PM

首先不知道lz的贴跟急吼吼有什么关系,不是你随便用个形容词盖帽子就行,
其次被造谣的人急着辟谣,有什么奇怪?不许人赶紧澄清,是什么用心?
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fanslunary
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哦 原来lz是被造谣的人? lz是o8本人还是o8丈母娘阿?


首先不知道lz的贴跟急吼吼有什么关系,不是你随便用个形容词盖帽子就行,
其次被造谣的人急着辟谣,有什么奇怪?不许人赶紧澄清,是什么用心?

xzws2010 发表于 10/22/2016 12:38:00 PM
oceanblue
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o8丈母娘的退休金我不是太care. o8做得最恶心的事情就是BLM。
asvs
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re,他一家占纳税人便宜的形象已经根深蒂固了

译码 发表于 10/22/2016 10:35:54 AM
举例看看?大家都是受过高等教育的,人云亦云这些不会是我们吧?
asvs
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哦 原来lz是被造谣的人? lz是o8本人还是o8丈母娘阿?

fanslunary 发表于 10/22/2016 12:43:04 PM
谣言一定要被造谣的才有资格出来澄清吗?
picassososo
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哦 原来lz是被造谣的人? lz是o8本人还是o8丈母娘阿?

fanslunary 发表于 10/22/2016 12:43:04 PM
奇了怪了,这个版上是造谣没关系,下面一堆人追捧,而出来辟谣反而要被说成别有用心?!
xzws2010
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哦 原来lz是被造谣的人? lz是o8本人还是o8丈母娘阿?

fanslunary 发表于 10/22/2016 12:43:04 PM

是替被造谣的人澄清。不管是不是本人出面,澄清有什么问题?
含笑的猫
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xzws2010
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奇了怪了,这个版上是造谣没关系,下面一堆人追捧,而出来辟谣反而要被说成别有用心?!

picassososo 发表于 10/22/2016 12:51:34 PM

真是一大怪现象。
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ytwk
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奸者造谣,惰者传谣,愚者信谣,智者辨谣,勇者劈谣。
westlake
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真有人觉得谎言说100遍就是真相,可悲!
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Confuse
20 楼
某粉就是low.没法说了。
mediumpig
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你是说希拉里?

真有人觉得谎言说100遍就是真相,可悲!
westlake 发表于 10/22/2016 1:27:24 PM


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asvs
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你是说希拉里?

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mediumpig 发表于 10/22/2016 2:05:21 PM
是说这个人
sakurasnow
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看看楼上这些发言,造谣还有理了,呵呵
picassososo 发表于 10/22/2016 10:58:04 AM
http://nationalreport.net/obama-family-vacations-surpass-100-million/?from=groupmessage&isappinstalled=0
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iamsunshine
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hannahana
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顶一下楼主。

楼下居然还有颠倒黑白,讽刺辟谣者的,真是没救了。借着这个大选也是看明白了有些人能low到什么地步。


还记得前几天的新闻,让大家义愤填膺吗?说是奥巴马的丈母娘会得到每年16万的退休金。
现在知道完全是谣言,文学城也转载了,华人上还是寂静一片,估计大家都确信了美国历史上第一个黑人总统就是这么腐败吧?
自己看原文,恕不翻译:
http://www.snopes.com/marian-robinson-pension/

westlake 发表于 10/22/2016 10:02:00 AM
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jiujiu778899
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主要这家人吃相太难看,o8自说自话给自己长工资,一辈子好像没去过夏威夷似的任职期间没事就去那里度假,干啥都要带着丈母娘蹭吃蹭喝。任何与占纳税人便宜有关的消息放他家保证有人信。反之,如果有个假消息说他家丈母娘要去做什么志愿者,去donate什么,这消息保证没人信。

古人云谣言止于智者,市井也有一句话叫做苍蝇不叮无缝的蛋。自己一身屎,就别怪人家闻到臭味就怪你。
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iamsunshine
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唯食忘忧
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看了link,没看懂是怎么证明是谣言来着?
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ytwk
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美国总统可以自说自话给自己长工资吗?

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/05/does-obama-want-a-higher-pension/

Q: Does President Obama want to increase his pension?
A: No. Obama requested an additional $588,000 in FY2017 to cover pensions and other costs for four former presidents plus “new spending for new former President Barack Obama.”
FULL QUESTION

A post on Facebook states that Obama wants a higher pension. Does President Obama want his retirement amount increased?
FULL ANSWER

The rumor that President Obama wants to increase his retirement benefits started in March 2016 when conservative websites carried bogus stories with inaccurate headlines, such as “BREAKING: Obama Just Gave Himself a MASSIVE Pay Raise…FOREVER!” and “Obama demands a higher presidential pension and more benefits!”
Another site claimed that “Obama wants to give himself a massive reward & YOU are going to pay for it.”
This led, naturally, to a Facebook image of Obama “demanding a higher pension.”
In all cases, the articles referred to a March 16 report by the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service that carried a more staid headline, “Former Presidents: Pensions, Office Allowances, and Other Federal Benefits.” In that report, the CRS noted that the White House’s fiscal year 2017 budget requested $3,865,000 “for expenditures for former Presidents, an increase of $588,000 (17.9%) from the FY2016 appropriation level.”
CRS, March 16, 2016: The [budget] request includes language stating that the appropriation includes funding for “future former President Barack Obama.” President Obama’s anticipated transition from incumbent to former President is scheduled to occur on January 20, 2017.

But presidential pensions are set by law, the Former Presidents Act, and any changes would require an act of Congress, as also explained in the CRS report. Under the law, former Presidents George H.W. Bush, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush in calendar year 2016 each received $205,700 — which is “equal to the annual rate of basic pay for the head of an executive department (Executive Level I),” as CRS explains. Nothing in Obama’s request would change the pension formula.
Not all of the $588,000 increase is earmarked to cover the cost of Obama’s retirement. The budget justification document from the General Services Administration said $359,000 would be needed to cover the cost of Obama’s pension, staff, office and other related expenses. The rest — $229,000 — is needed to cover the rising costs of expenses for the current four living former presidents.
The GSA provided this breakdown of the net $588,000 increase:
$9,000 increase in pension costs for Presidents George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush and Jimmy Carter.
$9,000 decrease in travel and transportation costs for George H.W. Bush.
$359,000 in new spending for “new former President Barack Obama,” including funds for his pension, beginning Jan, 20, 2017, as well as money for his staff, office and other related expenses, beginning on July 21, 2017.
$19,000 increase in additional personnel compensation for George H.W. and George W. Bush.
$36,000 increase in printing and communication costs for Carter, George W. Bush and George H.W. Bush.
$163,000 increase in rental payments for Carter, George W. Bush, Clinton and George H.W. Bush.
$6,000 increase in equipment purchases for George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush.
$5,000 for increased contractual services for George H.W. Bush, Carter and George W. Bush.
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garry
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含笑的猫 发表于 10/22/2016 12:53:24 PM
asvs
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ytwk
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Obama从小在夏威夷长大对那里有感情,休假多去几次很难理解吗。小布什从当总统到2006年8月8日共休假407天,其中381天也是去德州老家度假的。
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Kuku123
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看着这些造谣贴就窝火
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EErCeM
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回复 33楼ytwk的帖子

事实不能随便讲。他们会更愤怒的。
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ytwk
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garry 发表于 10/22/2016 4:41:27 PM

你以为当年小布什为John McCain竞选出门用的是民航机?
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ytwk
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如果你丈母娘给你带孩子,你出门度假就把她搁在家里?一起外出吃饭时还叫她自己付账单?
Crazyworld
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感觉这帮人已经死去理智了。


你以为当年小布什为John McCain竞选出门用的是民航机?

ytwk 发表于 10/22/2016 17:11:00
mediumpig
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顶这个

http://nationalreport.net/obama-family-vacations-surpass-100-million/?from=groupmessage&isappinstalled=0
sakurasnow 发表于 10/22/2016 2:23:35 PM


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mediumpig
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mediumpig
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ytwk
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谣+谣=双谣
谣+谣+谣=三谣
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Bellissima
43 楼
看看楼上这些发言,造谣还有理了,呵呵
picassososo 发表于 10/22/2016 10:58:04 AM
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ytwk
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http://nationalreport.net/obama-family-vacations-surpass-100-million/?from=groupmessage&isappinstalled=0
sakurasnow 发表于 10/22/2016 2:23:35 PM
小布什任总统八年,共回德州度假77次。来回飞机一次算5个小时。按本楼16层疮粉说的$200,000/hr飞行cost. 光飞行就要花大约77million美元。77x5x200,000=77million US$
fighting8
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怎么了,就算辟谣了难道奥巴就被洗白了吗?笑s人,他永远都会被人唾弃
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ytwk
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According to CBS News White House Correspondent Mark Knoller, today's trip marks Mr. Bush's 149th visit to the presidential retreat.
The planned three-day stay, during which the president is being joined by family and former and current aides, will bring his total time spent at Camp David to all or part of 487 days.

Yes, that's 487 days. And Camp David is not even where the president has spent the most time when not at the White House: Knoller reports that Mr. Bush has made 77 visits to his ranch in Crawford during his presidency, and spent all or part of 490 days there. 26 at Kennebunkport, Maine.
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ytwk
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Obama与Bush approval rating比较


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piranha
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川粉造谣被揭穿了从来都觉得造谣有理。
这一点和川普很像。川普也是自己偷税漏税被抓住后大骂现有税法不严密。

看看楼上这些发言,造谣还有理了,呵呵

picassososo 发表于 10/22/2016 10:58:00 AM
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kimy33
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回复 1楼westlake的帖子

snopes.com 本身就是为希拉里洗地的工具,Kim LaCapria 是一个 “openly left-leaning" and a liberal (她自己说的)。作为一个自称为“fact-checking” 的journalist, 本身就违背了最基本的规则。 而且如果你自己读,很多他们所谓“fact- check" 完全在鬼扯,绕来绕去,避开问题扯有的没的。引用MSM 的报道作为理论依据,你在逗我么?
前几天wikileaks 爆出来希拉里在自己email 里管中东穆斯林叫”sand nigger" , snopes 的洗地方式是说她只是在引用某个作者(Israeli author David Grossman,都特么不是英文原作)在自己作品用的词。问题是她的原文里没有任何引号,没有任何表示是引用的语句。 以为大家都是傻子么? 希特勒还写过《我的奋斗》 呢, 所以大家可以随便说任何种族主义的话,然后俩手一摊,“我只是引用的某个知名作者“么?

另外snopes 关于给希拉里为强奸犯辩护,之后“laughed about the case" 的洗地。早有人分析过了。
https://ethicsalarms.com/2016/07/31/bye-bye-snopes-youre-dead-to-me-now/

可长点心吧!
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yueyuelr
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川粉造谣被揭穿了从来都觉得造谣有理。
这一点和川普很像。川普也是自己偷税漏税被抓住后大骂现有税法不严密。

piranha 发表于 10/22/2016 9:00:46 PM
把所有看Obama不顺眼的都叫做床粉,你是造谣吗?
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kimy33
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川粉造谣被揭穿了从来都觉得造谣有理。
这一点和川普很像。川普也是自己偷税漏税被抓住后大骂现有税法不严密。

piranha 发表于 10/22/2016 9:00:46 PM


一看你就不报税。
asvs
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怎么了,就算辟谣了难道奥巴就被洗白了吗?笑s人,他永远都会被人唾弃

fighting8 发表于 10/22/2016 8:12:33 PM
在你这么气愤填膺的辱骂奥巴马的同时,请静下心来大声读一下这一段

“2011年10月6日及2012年6月18日,正值总统奥巴马任内民主党掌控参议院众议院,两院分别通过一项道歉案,两院议员一致就《排华法案》向全体在美华人致歉。”
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jiujiu778899
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O8在我眼里是美国最差的总统,没有之一,他上台后除了制造种族矛盾,警民问题,难民问题,国家安全问题,国债问题,厕所问题,没有任何建树。也许龙虾党是直接受益人群所以对他感恩戴德,但是他在位这8年,我深深感受到美国走向衰落。。。
asvs
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O8在我眼里是美国最差的总统,没有之一,他上台后除了制造种族矛盾,警民问题,难民问题,国家安全问题,国债问题,厕所问题,没有任何建树。也许龙虾党是直接受益人群所以对他感恩戴德,但是他在位这8年,我深深感受到美国走向衰落。。。
jiujiu778899 发表于 10/23/2016 12:07:50 AM
幸好只是你个人感觉

我喜欢以事实说话

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vic3128
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和他们理性解释讲道理就是无用功,他们造谣揭穿也可以有诸多借口和理由来证明“他们的造谣污蔑诽谤都是非常有理“。
凡是这些帖子和回复,我都绕道和不看,有功夫还是现实中去多多做些实际的。