wiki爆了奥巴马的email-o8是作弊当的总统

无欲则刚
楼主 (北美华人网)
号外。今天的wikileak爆了奥巴马的email,意思是投票之前总统就内定了。o8这个就是作弊上的。email 日期2008-10-29请注意,11月4号才是正式投票日。那之前奥巴马的transition team就和布什政府对接了。可见bush他家也是阴谋的一部分。
rosebullet
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真的 假的?
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luckyzzz
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顶顶顶...
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luckyzzz
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10/20: wikileaks刚公布奥8用自己的私人邮箱发出的邮件,是第一批,以后估计还会继续公布
http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2080037


真的 假的?

rosebullet 发表于 10/20/2016 18:18:00
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joujou01
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号外。今天的wikileak爆了奥巴马的email,意思是投票之前总统就内定了。o8这个就是作弊上的。email 日期2008-11-4,请注意,11月8号才是正式投票日。11/4号那时奥巴马的transition team就和布什政府对接了。可见bush他家也是阴谋的一部分。
无欲则刚 发表于 10/20/2016 6:16:53 PM
哦卖糕的!美国政府一次次玩弄老百姓。

如果这个情况属实, 那我相信,911是布什政府导演的。我记得刚来美国的时候在YouTube上看到过很多科学家用很多实验,信息分析认为世贸大楼不是被飞机炸倒的,二是定向爆破造成的。
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luckyzzz
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哇,这个消息也好劲爆啊


哦卖糕的!美国政府一次次玩弄老百姓。
如果这个情况属实, 那我相信,911是布什政府导演的。我记得刚来美国的时候在YouTube上看到过很多科学家用很多实验,信息分析认为世贸大楼不是被飞机炸倒的,二是定向爆破造成的。

joujou01 发表于 10/20/2016 18:24:00
aggies
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说白了政府就是财团挣钱的工具🛠
rosebullet
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回复 4楼luckyzzz的帖子

谢啦
ajilon
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John Kerry 挡不住wikileak呀
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zhongwen
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回复 5楼joujou01的帖子

对。。。。
whyhere
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南无大愿地藏王菩萨!
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scootie
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2008年的election day是11/4不是11/8,关键看他这封信是当天什么时候发的
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zhongwen
13 楼
说白了政府就是财团挣钱的工具🛠
aggies 发表于 10/20/2016 6:26:22 PM
怎么还不派特工把阿桑奇,trump 暗杀掉?08晚节难保。
leoparderm
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南无大愿地藏王菩萨!
whyhere 发表于 10/20/2016 6:31:57 PM
惊天大秘密啊
mediumpig
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10/30

2008年的election day是11/4不是11/8,关键看他这封信是当天什么时候发的
scootie 发表于 10/20/2016 6:36:40 PM


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jennyqq
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回复 1楼无欲则刚的帖子

11/4,  经济危机中,当年民主党谁上谁躺赢。也不算作弊了
aggies
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这选举制度就这样爆光了!
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suibianqi
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民主党当年力保奥巴马 而非希拉里 是因为奥巴马赢面更大

彼时美国在布什八年之后 急切寻求新面孔 奥巴马的change口号 极其蛊惑人心
加上他确实形象鲜明又新鲜 比起希拉里是更好人选

而且美国人有legend情节 一个黑人总统 恰好符合此意 所以民主党必定与希拉里谈好交易 让奥巴马顺利上台 四年后再次说服希拉里做做样子让奥巴马顺利过渡 但今年要让希拉里得到补偿

所以奥巴马上台 是得了民主党一力保驾护航的 有无舞弊 就要看以后被揭露的证据了

今年又想搞个女总统的传奇来迎合美国人的legend情结

现在就看美国人民行不行了 实在不行 舞弊也是个备用方案
无欲则刚
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大选结果出来之前就各种联系,这也不算作弊。这逻辑真是醉了。


回复1楼无欲则刚的帖子
11/4,  经济危机中,当年民主党谁上谁躺赢。也不算作弊了

jennyqq 发表于 10/20/2016 6:50:00 PM
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scootie
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10/30

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mediumpig 发表于 10/20/2016 6:48:16 PM


早上10点30分吗,那说明美式民主是个joke已经很久了
syb1999
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Lz更新一下帖子内容吧,08年选举是11月4号,信件是10月29号

October 29, 2008

TO:        Senator Obama

FROM:    Transition Board

SUBJECT:    Transition Engagement with the Outgoing Administration on Financial and Housing Issues
无欲则刚
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很可能布什就作弊了。戈尔被布什打败了之后,民主党深挖原因,发现作弊才是王道,从此两党都走向养票蛆作弊的不归路。而且炒作绿色能源现在证明已经是个骗局,用电的汽车比用油的汽车更污染环境,因为电池及其污染环境。感叹一下,只有屁民上当的份。
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chmod999
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我觉得这个email最多也只能说明o8觉得自己躺赢 没有什么hard evidence
无欲则刚
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已更新。多谢。


Lz更新一下帖子内容吧,08年选举是11月4号,信件是10月29号
October 29, 2008
TO:        Senator Obama
FROM:    Transition Board
SUBJECT:    Transition Engagement with the Outgoing Administration on Financial and Housing Issues

syb1999 发表于 10/20/2016 7:01:00 PM
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suibianqi
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哇 这是谁在给希拉里提词
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1xzw9DeNsof
syb1999
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我觉得这个email最多也只能说明o8觉得自己躺赢 没有什么hard evidence
chmod999 发表于 10/20/2016 7:03:48 PM
那是布什的transition board发给Obama的
mediumpig
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十月三十



早上10点30分吗,那说明美式民主是个joke已经很久了

scootie 发表于 10/20/2016 6:59:44 PM


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mediumpig
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你到底看了email没有啊。

我觉得这个email最多也只能说明o8觉得自己躺赢 没有什么hard evidence
chmod999 发表于 10/20/2016 7:03:48 PM


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jennyqq
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2008, 布什已经把经济弄的不能更糟了,当年o8是躺赢,结局大家提前都知道,都明白。
rosebullet
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我觉得这个email最多也只能说明o8觉得自己躺赢 没有什么hard evidence
chmod999 发表于 10/20/2016 7:03:48 PM
还没坐上位子就开始筹划总统该干的事情了?而且还involved了其他人... 这邮件真不像是自信爆棚的产物 说白了 就是内定了~

美国跟中国古代的皇帝继位有啥区别 改一改遗诏就好 何必去讨好皇上 同理 直接选票作弊 何必去讨好选民~
无欲则刚
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email是布什政府的人发给奥巴马的。


我觉得这个email最多也只能说明o8觉得自己躺赢 没有什么hard evidence

chmod999 发表于 10/20/2016 7:03:00 PM
无欲则刚
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Confidential Draft
October 29, 2008

TO:​Senator Obama

FROM:​Transition Board

SUBJECT:​Transition Engagement with the Outgoing Administration on Financial and Housing Issues
Immediately after the election Secretary Paulson and other members of the Administration will likely seek to involve you and your transition team in their ongoing policy responses to the financial and housing crises.  We also expect relentless interest from the press and public about your intended level of engagement with the Administration on these matters during the transition.  
There is inevitably some tension among the desirable aims of providing confidence to the markets, demonstrating involvement in the most critical immediate challenge facing the American people, assuring the best-advised policy choices during the transition, avoiding ownership of the Bush Administration’s policies (and the resulting economic conditions –e.g., unemployment rates), and facilitating a confidence-inspiring clean break with past policies.  We present below three options for the basic stance you could adopt following the election.  On balance, we recommend an initial course of action that indicates your intention to be deeply engaged with the problems while preserving, both publicly and privately, a clear distinction between the incumbent Administration and your own.
Background
As you have observed in your interactions with Secretary Paulson, he is apparently eager to involve you and your transition team extensively in his policy choices following the election.  His inclination doubtless arises in part from a desire to share responsibility for the important decisions he will be making.  But we believe he also respects you and your economic advisors, and that he sincerely wants to facilitate a smooth transition in these very challenging circumstances. Paulson and his subordinates do not believe they can responsibly defer until after January 20 significant decisions concerning both the use of TARP funds and other potential stabilizing measures.
Notwithstanding Secretary Paulson’s sincerity, given Treasury’s relative performance to date in predicting problems or designing processes that address them successfully, it is not obvious that engagement by you or your team can overcome their limitations.  Moreover, given market perceptions that government policy responses have generally been too slow and too tentative, a restoration of market confidence may best be achieved by emphasizing the fresh approach your Administration will take, rather than a sense of continuity with the current Administration.  Finally, it is important to prevent any confusion about the lines of authority especially in a rapidly evolving environment.
Three sets of personnel issues are of importance going forward.  First is the question of how we will structure interactions with Treasury and, as needed, other parts of the current Administration.  We contemplate that the primary interlocutors will be the NEC director-designate (or, if an NEC Director is not in place immediately after the election, an economic director for the transition), a transition team member who will be the regular contact with Treasury on the TARP and other operational issues, and a Treasury Secretary-designate.  The Treasury Secretary-designate may be somewhat constrained in interacting with officials outside the transition team by the tradition of limiting such contacts prior to Senate confirmation, though there may be a more flexible attitude in the present exigent circumstances.  
Second, there have been specific suggestions with respect to key personnel decisions during the transition.  For example, Secretary Paulson has indicated he would like to have you choose among a list of candidates he will develop for the new position of an Assistant Secretary for Financial Stability, who will manage the TARP and related programs. He envisages this individual being confirmed by the Senate in a lame duck session. Along similar lines, Senator Dodd has suggested that President Bush nominate, and the Senate confirm, a Treasury Secretary of your choosing.  As indicated in our recommended course of action, we think such steps would be at best premature in the immediate aftermath of the election.  
Third, we will need early decisions on numerous government positions, some of which would normally be filled well after Inauguration Day.  These obviously include several sub-cabinet positions in Treasury and one or more members of the Council of Economic Advisors, as well as three governors of the Federal Reserve Board.  In addition, we will need relatively early decisions on whether we will want certain incumbent regulators (FDIC chair, Comptroller of the Currency, Director of Office of Thrift Supervision) to remain in their jobs after January 20.  
Goals
We believe that your posture should seek to achieve the following objectives:
• Leave yourself freedom of movement given the speed with which the economic situation is evolving.
• Maintain a distinction between engagement with the Bush Administration (at whatever level you choose) and identification with its policies
• Without raising unrealistic expectations and while framing current and prospective conditions, provide badly needed confidence to the markets and the public by making clear that you will be setting a new course with strong economic leadership.
• Provide you and your team with full access to information in order to ensure the smoothest possible transition upon your team assuming office.
• Provide the opportunity for your team to weigh in on actions that would undermine the recovery or restrict your freedom of action upon becoming President.
• Demonstrate urgency and awareness.
• Avoid taking responsibility without authority for any administration policies.
Options
We believe that you should be prepared to make a statement soon after the election that will set the general posture for your engagement, but leave yourself the flexibility to adapt that posture if required.  On the scale of disengagement to full engagement, the statement we propose tries to steer a middle course, though it can of course be modified to communicate a somewhat greater or lesser intended degree of initial involvement.  
Given the rapid pace of financial market and economic developments, it is very difficult now to predict the circumstances we will face during the transition period.  A relatively cautious posture at the outset will give you the necessary flexibility to adjust to these developments in the weeks ahead.  You would certainly be able to increase the involvement of your team in Treasury affairs if circumstances during the transition warrant.  It would be more difficult to extricate transition personnel from activities in which they had been involved, at least without awkwardness and – potentially – public perception of conflict between the incumbent and elected administrations.  
Put differently, even if you are inclined towards a more active role, we would suggest not making that explicit until you have had a chance to gain access to better information and the benefit of the advice of your economic team appointees in the period following the election.  While we have frequently been skeptical of the steps taken by the Administration over the last year and a half, we should not underestimate the time and analysis that will be required to formulate a comprehensive set of alternatives.  Among other things, we do not yet have access to the confidential financial information of troubled firms.
While the statement clearly matters and will be closely parsed, of perhaps even greater importance is a series of decisions concerning your engagement level.  We have therefore started with the framing statement and followed it with three options for the initial mode of engagement your transition will adopt.  Each option bundles specific forms of interaction with the current administration and other relevant actors, such as foreign governments. The second option presented is the modulated approach we suggest, preceded by an option for a largely hands-off approach and followed by one for substantial integration with Bush Administration activities.
Proposed Statement

“Beginning in the first hour after I become President, I will confront this economic crisis head-on.  I will take all steps necessary to return credit markets to more normal operation and to get the American economy moving again, so that it will restore growth for ordinary, hard-working Americans.  We will of course honor all the public commitments made by the U.S Government in addressing the crisis in financial markets.

“But until January 20 the United States can have only one government, and that government is the current Administration.  I deeply appreciate President Bush’s declared willingness in our conversation today to do everything possible to ensure that his economic policy team keeps us fully informed as economic developments unfold.   During this transition period, it is essential to have a decisive and resolute response.”

“For the next two and half months we will be consulting with Members of Congress, business and labor leaders, the financial community, state and local government officials, the Federal Reserve, Secretary Paulson, and other members of the Administration.  It is crucial that we all work together to meet the great economic challenges facing the American people.”
The following options are listed in increasingly levels of engagement.  We are supportive of the Option 2:
Option 1: Hands-Off Approach.  If you chose to have a more hands-off approach, this option would entail actions such as the following:
− Receipt by transition team of briefings by current Administration officials, but no suggestions, endorsements, etc.
− No involvement by you in G-20 summit
− Limited, discrete consultations with foreign governments.
− Almost complete concentration on preparing for the first days of your Administration
Option 2: Modulated Approach.   In operational terms, this option would entail actions such as the following:
− Behind-the-scenes discussions by your transition team with government officials, but no public appearances with them
− No statements approving or, commenting upon, Treasury steps to implement TARP or other rescue programs (tactical decisions)
− Endorsement by you of any genuinely major new actions, such as the bailout of a non-financial firm (strategic decisions)
− Indication to Treasury that you would prefer to appoint your own Assistant Secretary to run TARP
− No effort to have your selection for Treasury Secretary nominated by President Bush and confirmed during a lame duck Congressional session
− Discreet, and generally non-committal, consultations with foreign governments
− High degree of focus on preparing for the first few days after your Inauguration.
− Circumscribed or no involvement by you in Nov. 15 G-20 meeting
Option 3: Substantial integration with Treasury.  If you chose to have a more substantial and visible involvement, this option would entail actions such as the following:
− Publicly named members of transition team working and consulting actively with Treasury
− Coordination of statements with Secretary Paulson to convey continuity in policy being developed during transition
− Presence of transition team members in key discussions on significant matters such as rescue package for a troubled institution
− Selection of individual to be confirmed as Assistant Secretary during lame duck and begin working at Treasury
− Active policy dialogue by transition and named members of incoming Administration with Federal Reserve officials
− Statements by you endorsing significant, as well as major, Treasury decisions – i.e., more such statements
− Active consultation with foreign governments by transition team
− Active and visible presence for you at the Nov. 15 G-20 meeting
− Possible legislative package in lame duck (e.g., statutory resolution regime for financial holding companies, authority for Fed to guarantee debt)


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scootie
33 楼
土共运气真好,他们这次很高兴吧
无欲则刚
34 楼
大选就是个幌子。美国人民都上当了。现在的问题是这个样子的大选从什么时候开始的?
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scootie
35 楼
其实这很好的解释了,为什么我们更喜欢的候选人,每次都“被落选”。
显然这是屁民和权力中心的战斗,只是每次权力中心都胜出,选上了能让他们继续为非作歹的总统罢了。我们还以为这是靠民众的选票改变的。
turtletanita
36 楼
确定这个不是给两个候选人一人发一个?
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pipi888
37 楼
wikileak是干嘛的,这么有种,点赞
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pqrs
38 楼
两个竞选人的goal不会一样吧


确定这个不是给两个候选人一人发一个?

turtletanita 发表于 10/20/2016 7:28:00 PM
xiang2010
39 楼
确定这个不是给两个候选人一人发一个?
turtletanita 发表于 10/20/2016 7:28:29 PM
不可能吧,这是机密,给预备总统看说得过去,给败选的张三李四看不符合逻辑啊。
BJyanzi
40 楼
当年南方公园有一集说的就是这事,我找不到整集了,大意就是麦凯恩和奥8在人前是一套但背后是合作关系

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUsttPsqx1k


还有关于奥8的"change"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8CjxhWptS4


现在看来所有的change都成真了
aggies
41 楼
上帝保佑美国,把那个婊子删了
candidcamera
42 楼
怎么还不派特工把阿桑奇,trump 暗杀掉?08晚节难保。
zhongwen 发表于 10/20/2016 6:37:04 PM

估计现在这帮人都恨不得川普死五无葬身之地,就是不敢下手,时间太敏感。
ameliamia
43 楼
上帝保佑美国,把那个婊子删了
aggies 发表于 10/20/2016 8:24:40 PM
God bless america
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anneklein
44 楼
很可能布什就作弊了。戈尔被布什打败了之后,民主党深挖原因,发现作弊才是王道,从此两党都走向养票蛆作弊的不归路。而且炒作绿色能源现在证明已经是个骗局,用电的汽车比用油的汽车更污染环境,因为电池及其污染环境。感叹一下,只有屁民上当的份。
无欲则刚 发表于 10/20/2016 7:02:03 PM

这个解释合理。而且父子两前后当总统是不是美国史上唯一啊?父子完了,现在开始夫妻两轮流当总统,绝了。

普金一次采访不是直接说了嘛:你们美国老标榜自己民主,可你们不也是曾经两次挑出一个选票最少的选手当总统吗?
aggies
45 楼
真的很难想象小布什辩论,那智商绝了!
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anneklein
46 楼
真的很难想象小布什辩论,那智商绝了!
aggies 发表于 10/20/2016 8:43:04 PM

哈哈哈
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redsalt
47 楼
美国以后别再骂中国独裁专制了,美国只是幕后大佬给马仔们取两个名字一个叫民主党一个叫共和党,中国的就一个名字。。大家其实都是一样的玩法.
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suibianqi
48 楼
美国是财阀隐形专制
中国是共党公然专制
谁也没资格笑话谁
redsalt
2016-10-20 20:57
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美国以后别再骂中国独裁专制了,美国只是幕后大佬给马仔们取两个名字一个叫民主党一个叫共和党,中国的就一个名字。。大家其实都是一样的玩法.
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hangel
49 楼
怎么知道不是小布什政府给双方候选人都发transition 的事宜呢。。不是两党候选人都听什么brief 吗。
ajilon
50 楼
很可能布什就作弊了。戈尔被布什打败了之后,民主党深挖原因,发现作弊才是王道,从此两党都走向养票蛆作弊的不归路。而且炒作绿色能源现在证明已经是个骗局,用电的汽车比用油的汽车更污染环境,因为电池及其污染环境。感叹一下,只有屁民上当的份。
无欲则刚 发表于 10/20/2016 7:02:03 PM
怪不得Rubio不让提wikileak
luoguo
51 楼
真不是双方都发了么,这乐子也太大了
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susannaqq
52 楼
我记得广播上说过,初选之后白宫现任总统就会给两边候选人的团队都开始商讨一些transition的事宜。因为等大选之后两个月时间来不及。
babeann
53 楼
08年我记得的,觉得真的是民心所向,MCCAIN根本不是对手啊。

当天结果出来很多人都去BAR欢呼的。2012年大家的情绪已经冷静很多。

所以现在也觉得不可能哪一个人就是救世主的。
mediumpig
54 楼
初选之后?不科学呀。

我记得广播上说过,初选之后白宫现任总统就会给两边候选人的团队都开始商讨一些transition的事宜。因为等大选之后两个月时间来不及。
susannaqq 发表于 10/20/2016 9:36:06 PM


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ratzinger
55 楼
华人吸粉一定要看清楚了,亚细法出台的表格上面可没有问你是吸粉还是呼粉,只问你是不是chinese,知道为什么吗?

发信人: TELFAIRWIN (telfairwin), 信区: USANews
标  题: 华裔希拉里/民主党助选团的未来发展方向一片大好
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Oct 19 18:13:59 2016, 美东)

希拉里当选总统,开放非移和穆斯林,四年后,人口结构往有利于民主党的方向改变,
民主党真正是躺赢的了,完全没有必要再费精力竞选,华裔希拉里/民主党助选团也就
没有使用价值,
兔死狗烹的历史经验教训一定要吸取

如果华裔希拉里/民主党助选团想以后还有存在必要和价值,这次一定要川普赢得大选

要让川普赢, 投川普的票是必须的,而且还要多给川普拉票,最好是用希拉里的经费
给川普拉票才是上上选。。。。

反正都是希拉里不仁,华裔希拉里/民主党助选团当然也就不义
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mucho
56 楼
吃瓜群众洗洗睡吧,连选秀都有人操控, 何况选总统呐,谁认真谁就输啦。
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jennyjiang
57 楼
10年前我就知道习近平要上台了。。。。。那时候很多香港人都知道,他早就已经在系统里面了。
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jennyjiang
58 楼
哦卖糕的!美国政府一次次玩弄老百姓。

如果这个情况属实, 那我相信,911是布什政府导演的。我记得刚来美国的时候在YouTube上看到过很多科学家用很多实验,信息分析认为世贸大楼不是被飞机炸倒的,二是定向爆破造成的。

joujou01 发表于 10/20/2016 6:24:09 PM
某些人真是无知得让人无语估计你也没去过世贸中心911博物馆,里面很多资料不是你科学家实验一下就能实验出来的。
baomama
59 楼
fox官网头版头条啊。下面的评论看得好解气,美国人民都愤怒了。
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zhongwen
60 楼
当年南方公园有一集说的就是这事,我找不到整集了,大意就是麦凯恩和奥8在人前是一套但背后是合作关系

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUsttPsqx1k


还有关于奥8的"change"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8CjxhWptS4


现在看来所有的change都成真了
BJyanzi 发表于 10/20/2016 8:18:44 PM

哎。
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zhongwen
61 楼
很可能布什就作弊了。戈尔被布什打败了之后,民主党深挖原因,发现作弊才是王道,从此两党都走向养票蛆作弊的不归路。而且炒作绿色能源现在证明已经是个骗局,用电的汽车比用油的汽车更污染环境,因为电池及其污染环境。感叹一下,只有屁民上当的份。
无欲则刚 发表于 10/20/2016 7:02:03 PM

靠谱。
AngelLucy
62 楼
哇 这是谁在给希拉里提词
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1xzw9DeNsof
suibianqi 发表于 10/20/2016 7:06:55 PM
真牛啊
lolo
63 楼
哦卖糕的!美国政府一次次玩弄老百姓。

如果这个情况属实, 那我相信,911是布什政府导演的。我记得刚来美国的时候在YouTube上看到过很多科学家用很多实验,信息分析认为世贸大楼不是被飞机炸倒的,二是定向爆破造成的。

joujou01 发表于 10/20/2016 6:24:09 PM

我天,美国这么做是有历史的。当年珍珠港,美国政府得到了中国的情报,装不知道,让那么多可怜无辜的美国人死于战火,就是为了促使国会通过参战。
二十四楼
64 楼
说白了政府就是财团挣钱的工具🛠
aggies 发表于 10/20/2016 6:26:22 PM
黑白无常
65 楼
哇。。我就说嘛 美国人怎么这么瞎 选了08

☆ 发自 iPhone 华人一网 1.11.08
凉心
66 楼
哦卖糕的!美国政府一次次玩弄老百姓。

如果这个情况属实, 那我相信,911是布什政府导演的。我记得刚来美国的时候在YouTube上看到过很多科学家用很多实验,信息分析认为世贸大楼不是被飞机炸倒的,二是定向爆破造成的。

joujou01 发表于 10/20/2016 6:24:09 PM
这个我不信,不可能是定向爆破,如果有阴谋也只可能是放水让恐怖分子劫机以达到出兵伊拉克的理由
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wodehuaren
67 楼
天啊, 不要再作弊了,
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lele0
68 楼
一点都不意外,本来我就怀疑他是作弊的,BUSH家两个SB也是作弊的。
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xiaoyang2015
69 楼
看过这个阴谋论呢,但是ob那个时候确实比麦肯表现得更好些
小湘湘
70 楼
阴谋论真可怕,美国媒体再左也没有被一党控制,不像中共能够牢牢控制媒体想让老百姓怎么思考就怎么思考,在美国如果真有那么大的阴谋不可能没有人揭发,毕竟不会像中国一样被中共当成政治犯抓起来。散布阴谋论是中共一贯的手法,就是要丑化民主国家,其实即使这样,中共的独裁也不会变成好的,中国富人该出国还是出国,特别是中共内部知道底细的人。
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chainshore
71 楼
我印象中08年一开始选情还很焦灼,o8和McCain不相上下。后来宣布VP,McCain找来了智商感人的Sarah Palin,我靠真心看不下去啊。那之后,McCain的选情就急转直下了。
Xiaoxique
72 楼
O8绝对是占了小布什后期经济不好的光,美国人民被忽悠要change
女神de宠物章鱼
73 楼
这个我不信,不可能是定向爆破,如果有阴谋也只可能是放水让恐怖分子劫机以达到出兵伊拉克的理由

凉心 发表于 10/20/2016 11:44:22 PM

就是已经知道恐怖分子要劫机了,本来可以阻止,但是假装不知道,让他们撞了世贸,最后出兵伊拉克
ColoradoBlue
74 楼
我记得广播上说过,初选之后白宫现任总统就会给两边候选人的团队都开始商讨一些transition的事宜。因为等大选之后两个月时间来不及。
susannaqq 发表于 10/20/2016 9:36:06 PM

是这样子的,一直是这样。老川和希婆都已经早开始了交接。天啊,这个版是怎么了,真是太让人失望了,完全不在乎事实,满版都是可笑无知的阴谋论。唉
ajilon
75 楼

是这样子的,一直是这样。老川和希婆都已经早开始了交接。天啊,这个版是怎么了,真是太让人失望了,完全不在乎事实,满版都是可笑无知的阴谋论。唉

ColoradoBlue 发表于 10/21/2016 7:28:53 AM
早开始交接有出处吗?这两个候选人有自己的transition team是事实,从自己的党获得提名后 Obama 开始给他俩security briefing也是事实,可是交接没听说啊
rosebullet
76 楼

是这样子的,一直是这样。老川和希婆都已经早开始了交接。天啊,这个版是怎么了,真是太让人失望了,完全不在乎事实,满版都是可笑无知的阴谋论。唉

ColoradoBlue 发表于 10/21/2016 7:28:53 AM
敢情你是在白宫圈内人 知道流程一般

真像你这么说 那这种邮件 希拉里也有一封一摸一样的 让西婆证明🐷党是清白
ajilon
77 楼
Transition period 是这样定义的:

A presidential transition or presidential interregnum refers to the period of time between the end of a presidential election and the inauguration of a new President of a country. During this time the incoming President usually designates new government personnel, including selecting new Cabinet positions and government department or agency heads.
ColoradoBlue
78 楼
早开始交接有出处吗?这两个候选人有自己的transition team是事实,从自己的党获得提名后 Obama 开始给他俩security briefing也是事实,可是交接没听说啊

ajilon 发表于 10/21/2016 7:39:37 AM
你可以查一下preelection president transition act,真不是新闻。
我随手狗了一篇报道,比较了今年这两位和08年的transition stage

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/trump-clinton-presidential-transition-obama-227701
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poornuts
79 楼
有啥用呢。美国已经被搞坏了8年。现在再说也回不去了。
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Coth
80 楼
Transition Team会提前和两个候选人都接触,因为不可能知道总统之后才准备交接,时间来不及,所以他们会同时提前联系做两套方案。
这个看过《白宫风云》的应该都知道。 美国人应该也都知道吧。
莫小贝
81 楼
土共运气真好,他们这次很高兴吧
scootie 发表于 10/20/2016 7:13:38 PM
这跟土共有毛关系啊?

这只能说明,出来混,总要还的。。。
无欲则刚
82 楼
这是正常定义。那个email里面显然不是一回事。


Transition period 是这样定义的:
A presidential transition or presidential interregnum refers to the period of timebetween the end of a presidential election and the inaugurationof a new President of a country. During this time the incoming President usually designates new government personnel, including selecting new Cabinet positions and government department or agency heads.

ajilon 发表于 10/21/2016 7:57:00 AM
westlake
83 楼
哇,这个消息也好劲爆啊

luckyzzz 发表于 10/20/2016 6:25:56 PM

这个阴谋论好多年了。
picassososo
84 楼
现在版上以谣传谣真的不要太容易啊
HeyStranger
85 楼
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HeyStranger
86 楼
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HeyStranger
87 楼
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Minamiting
88 楼
看到过Wiki上说oba在某个county拿了108%的票,共和党在另外某几个county一票也没有。
baomama
89 楼
那个email里边明明说了transition一般在大选结束后到总统上任之前啊,但是那次和normal的情况不一样。国家机密怎么可能让不进白宫的人看到呢?Fox今天早上头版头条好久呢,希粉想混人耳目也找个高明点的借口吧。
凌霄蔷薇
90 楼
上次看O8出生身份造假的事…看着他的脸有点像谁…突然大胆想到,他会不会是老布什的私生子……?
burnettyan
91 楼
反正所有事情背后都有阴谋。。。只有上帝知道到底怎么回事吧。。。。。。。。。。
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aoiqa
92 楼


早上10点30分吗,那说明美式民主是个joke已经很久了

scootie 发表于 10/20/2016 6:59:44 PM
问题是这个joke式的民主就是有人愿意相信!
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aoiqa
93 楼
土共运气真好,他们这次很高兴吧
scootie 发表于 10/20/2016 7:13:38 PM
这又关土共啥事?你的联想力真丰富!
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aoiqa
94 楼
美国以后别再骂中国独裁专制了,美国只是幕后大佬给马仔们取两个名字一个叫民主党一个叫共和党,中国的就一个名字。。大家其实都是一样的玩法.
redsalt 发表于 10/20/2016 8:57:35 PM
其实共产党党内派别斗争也这样,只不过共产党傻,不懂应该把不同派别取不同名字。用同一个名字就是独裁了!
金秀贤xi
95 楼
好担心老床铺被他们干掉啊。。。。阿弥陀佛保佑坏人不要得成
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scootie
96 楼
这跟土共有毛关系啊?

这只能说明,出来混,总要还的。。。

莫小贝 发表于 10/21/2016 8:47:49 AM
原来这位著名的喷子id是五分党。。。你听好了
我对你共既无好感也无恶感,说土共走运是因为美国现在力不从心内政混乱,给了土共很好的发展机会,确实比当年日本运气好
拜托你正常点别为了你主子乱喷唾沫
tuesday14
97 楼
哦卖糕的!美国政府一次次玩弄老百姓。

如果这个情况属实, 那我相信,911是布什政府导演的。我记得刚来美国的时候在YouTube上看到过很多科学家用很多实验,信息分析认为世贸大楼不是被飞机炸倒的,二是定向爆破造成的。

joujou01 发表于 10/20/2016 6:24:09 PM
我同意你的观点,另外一个料是,有人研究找到了证据,当时911劫机的几个恐怖分子,VISA申请没通过,是FBI走特殊审批快快给过的,明显是高层授意。
tuesday14
98 楼
怎么还不派特工把阿桑奇,trump 暗杀掉?08晚节难保。
zhongwen 发表于 10/20/2016 6:37:04 PM
现在事情闹大了反而不敢杀,不然天下都知道是谁干的,不就坐实了crimes?
就好比当年白宫实习生跟总统有染,莱温斯基算聪明的,保留证据,再加上把事情闹得人尽皆知,至少命是保下来了,不然哪天人间蒸发都不知道怎么回事
happysnowwhite
99 楼
纯粹好奇,凭什么泄露人家的私人email?
依然笑眯眯
100 楼
我同意你的观点,另外一个料是,有人研究找到了证据,当时911劫机的几个恐怖分子,VISA申请没通过,是FBI走特殊审批快快给过的,明显是高层授意。

tuesday14 发表于 10/21/2016 5:20:06 PM
what??????????????
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scootie
101 楼
纯粹好奇,凭什么泄露人家的私人email?
happysnowwhite 发表于 10/21/2016 5:53:19 PM

因为某些私人自己犯贱,违法使用个人私有server发机密信件?