Hillary - the women's rights champion - defended a child molester who raped a 12-year-old girl, then laughed about knowing he was guilty.
https://youtu.be/qcqh0gRy-og
这个女孩，在被强奸之后，昏迷了4天，还不得已接受了10多年的治疗。差点终身不育！ 引用这个帖子里一个ＭＭ的话“But how could she went to a talk show and laugh about it, being a woman herself? that is just cold heartless.” 这个youtube video刚刚出来，看到的人还不多，求在social media上转发，让更多的人看到！昨天的view count是50K，今天就150K，求转发（ＦＢ，ＴＷ），让更多的人看到希拉里的真面目。她不是喜欢打女人这张牌吗？因为希拉里是女人，就选她的人，也要看看她是不是真的为女人争取利益。
Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. 這個是基本的司法觀念。
Peiping 发表于 10/7/2016 7:43:52 PM
I agree, Hillary was an attorney at that time, and that was her job. She was good at it. But how could she went to a talk show and laugh about it, being a woman herself? that is just cold heartless.
I agree, Hillary was an attorney at that time, and that was her job. She was good at it. But how could she went to a talk show and laugh about it, being a woman herself? that is just cold heartless.
suibianqi 发表于 10/7/2016 8:03:19 PM
She also called this little girl "bitch". She has a daughter her self. How would she feel if she was raped while she was 12 years old? How would she feel if her daughter was raped while she was 12 years old?
I agree, Hillary was an attorney at that time, and that was her job. She was good at it. But how could she went to a talk show and laugh about it, being a woman herself? that is just cold heartless.
suibianqi 发表于 10/7/2016 8:03:19 PM
she didn't laugh about the plaintiff. she laughed at how absurd the legal system truly was. the first laugh was about the prosecutor not giving her the required evidence. The second was about the defendant passing a polygraph test, which as she said, destroyed her faith in polygraph.
she didn't laugh about the plaintiff. she laughed at how absurd the legal system truly was. the first laugh was about the prosecutor not giving her the required evidence. The second was about the defendant passing a polygraph test, which as she said, destroyed her faith in polygraph.
why she laughed? this is a debatable topic, everyone sees it different. By the way I am reading it, she is not ashamed of hurting the poor girl and ruining her life. If I were Hillary, I probably would never talk about the win because I would be so ashamed of myself. I would probably feel guilty towards the girl for the rest of my life....let alone bringing her back to the public attention by not avoiding discussing the case in the talk show.
As you mentioned, she said that the defendant's passing the polygraph destroyed her faith in it------which means, Hillary knew it, she knew he was guilty--------------------------------I don't blame her for doing her job professionally, I hate that she didn't care about the victim at all when she knew the girl was ruined by the justice that didn't do her right.
She also called this little girl "bitch". She has a daughter her self. How would she feel if she was raped while she was 12 years old? How would she feel if her daughter was raped while she was 12 years old?
annazhangj 发表于 10/7/2016 8:08:31 PM
this literally never happened. find me the source where Hilary called the plaintiff a bitch.
why she laughed? this is a debatable topic, everyone sees it different. By the way I am reading it, she is not ashamed of hurting the poor girl and ruining her life. If I were Hillary, I probably would never talk about the win because I would be so ashamed of myself. I would probably feel guilty towards the girl for the rest of my life....let alone bringing her back to the public attention by not avoiding the case in the talk show.
As you mentioned, she said that the defendant's passing the polygraph destroyed her faith in it------which means, Hillary knew it, she knew he was guilty--------------------------------I don't blame her for doing her job professionally, I hate that she didn't care about the victim at all.
suibianqi 发表于 10/7/2016 8:17:07 PM
that's what being a defense lawyer is. She believed that the defendant is guilty. She is still under professional obligation to defend him fully. That's how the system works. The lawyers don't decide the guilt. The judge and the jury does.
I mean would you rather that she purposely lose the case if she thought he was guilty? If today you were accused of a crime, would you rather your public defender decide for herself that you were guilty, or so her best and let the court decide?
that's what being a defense lawyer is. She believed that the defendant is guilty. She is still under professional obligation to defend him fully. That's how the system works. The lawyers don't decide the guilt. The judge and the jury does.
I mean would you rather that she purposely lose the case if she thought he was guilty? If today you were accused of a crime, would you rather your public defender decide for herself that you were guilty, or so her best and let the court decide?
Peiping 发表于 10/7/2016 8:23:38 PM
Of course not, I repeatedly said Hillary was doing her job--and she did well. I mean would you rather consider that she has conscious left when she brought the public attention back to the poor ruined girl? Anyone who has a heart wouldn't do that, would you agree?
"Of course he claimed he didn’t. All this stuff. He took a lie detector test. I had him take a polygraph, which he passed, which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs. [laughs]"
"So I got an order to see the evidence and the prosecutor didn’t want me to see the evidence. I had to go to Maupin Cummings and convince Maupin that yes indeed I had a right to see the evidence [laughs] before it was presented."
Of course not, I repeatedly said Hillary was doing her job--and she did well. I mean would you rather consider that she has conscious left when she brought the public attention back to the poor ruined girl? Anyone who has a heart wouldn't do that, would you agree?
suibianqi 发表于 10/7/2016 8:27:04 PM
she didn't do that. She never even talked about the defendant at all. It was the conservative media who tried to use this to attack her that brought the attention back onto the case.
she didn't do that. She never even talked about the defendant at all. It was the conservative media who tried to use this to attack her that brought the attention back onto the case.
Peiping 发表于 10/7/2016 8:34:12 PM
She should have refused to talk about the case at the first place. If I were her, I would just say that I had a few wins or lose, and I wouldn't get into details because that's against my ethics. Is it too hard for her? or she just didn't feel sorry for the victim AT ALL that she couldn't care less to come up with that?
she didn't do that. She never even talked about the defendant at all. It was the conservative media who tried to use this to attack her that brought the attention back onto the case.
Peiping 发表于 10/7/2016 8:34:12 PM
You seem to be an insider. Is your name Bill Clinton? Can you talk about Monica Lewinsky? What a matching couple you two are!
She should have refused to talk about the case at the first place. If I were her, I would just say that I had a few wins or lose, and I wouldn't get into details because that's against my ethics. Is it too hard for her? or she just didn't feel sorry for the victim AT ALL that she couldn't care less to come up with that?
suibianqi 发表于 10/7/2016 8:36:30 PM
you do realize that the 1980 article was never published, and the recording was of the interview for the article, not the actual program to be released right?
Perhaps you're right, she shouldn't have talked about the case in such detail. At the same time, I think there's some value in talking about mishandling of justice by the court system against public defenders like this. This is hard to judge. But she had never talked about the girl at all. In fact, the girl didn't even know that Hilary Clinton was her defendant until 2008. Calling Hilary a rape enabler for this is a disrespect to all public defenders.
you do realize that the 1980 article was never published, and the recording was of the interview for the article, not the actual program to be released right? Perhaps you're right, she shouldn't have talked about the case in such detail. At the same time, I think there's some value in talking about mishandling of justice by the court system against public defenders like this. This is hard to judge. But she had never talked about the girl at all. In fact, the girl didn't even know that Hilary Clinton was her defendant until 2008. Calling Hilary a rape enabler for this is a disrespect to all public defenders.
you do realize that the 1980 article was never published, and the recording was of the interview for the article, not the actual program to be released right?
Perhaps you're right, she shouldn't have talked about the case in such detail. At the same time, I think there's some value in talking about mishandling of justice by the court system against public defenders like this. This is hard to judge. But she had never talked about the girl at all. In fact, the girl didn't even know that Hilary Clinton was her defendant until 2008. Calling Hilary a rape enabler for this is a disrespect to all public defenders.
Peiping 发表于 10/7/2016 8:45:23 PM
I would not call her enabler. I just hate the way she talks about the case, she was not ashamed or maybe never realized that the victim was raped and hurt once, then lost the case and ruined for the rest of her life.... And that's what we disagree, but it's fine, we agree to disagree. Anyhow, I am heading out, good talk. hope no more fighting and cursing here....
"She was vigorously advocating for her client. What she did was appropriate," said Andrew Schepard, director of Hofstra Law School's Center for Children, Families and the Law. "He was lucky to have her as a lawyer ... In terms of what's good for the little girl? It would have been hell on the victim. But that wasn't Hillary's problem." [Newsday, 2/24/08, via Nexis]
Libertarian lawyer Jonathan Adler wrote of the case for The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/06/20/is-hillary-clintons-conduct-as-a-young-attorney-fair-game/): Much, if not all, of the criticism of Clinton resulting from this story is misplaced. She was asked (by the prosecutor, no less) to represent a criminal defendant. Her client was accused of raping a 12-year-old girl. From what I can tell, Clinton believed her client was guilty but was nonetheless able to obtain a favorable plea deal because the government had mishandled incriminating evidence. ... What should we make of this story? Perhaps nothing more than that Hillary Clinton represented someone in need and fulfilled her duty as a member of the bar to provide a zealous defense of her client. This is not something for which she should be attacked. We are all the worse off if the message sent to young lawyers is that representing guilty or unpopular clients is likely to be a political liability down the road. Ably and effectively representing a criminal defendant - even one you believe to be guilty - is not "scummy" or inappropriate. Forcing the state to prove its case before it deprives an individual of their life, liberty or property is a noble endeavor.
这个女孩，在被强奸之后，昏迷了4天，还不得已接受了10多年的治疗。差点终身不育！
引用这个帖子里一个ＭＭ的话“But how could she went to a talk show and laugh about it, being a woman herself? that is just cold heartless.”
这个youtube video刚刚出来，看到的人还不多，求在social media上转发，让更多的人看到！昨天的view count是50K，今天就150K，求转发（ＦＢ，ＴＷ），让更多的人看到希拉里的真面目。她不是喜欢打女人这张牌吗？因为希拉里是女人，就选她的人，也要看看她是不是真的为女人争取利益。
希拉里的老公一生强奸了不少女人，她是怎么对那些可怜人的？Search Juanita Broaddrick
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这次总统竞选，干脆妇女都弃权不选得了。
如果这样的话，还是川普胜的概率大
一定要看video。希拉里在video承认她知道这个男人有罪，她说“没想到这个男的通过了测谎，这使她不再相信测谎”。
不知道你們是故意裝傻還是真的不了解。
你們了解美國司法制度嗎？Hilary當時是被告的律師，當然要替他辯護。假如她這樣的是rapist enabler話，美國各個辯護律師都是個犯罪的enabler了？難道你們認為她當時應該故意庭上防水，無正義的讓被告輸？
Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. 這個是基本的司法觀念。
稍微有点节操的律师就不会接这个案子。 你确定吸瘌痢是被告拿枪逼着做辩护律师的？
她不是自願接的，是法官assign給她。Hillary當時在legal aid clinic工作。
既然接了案子，就有職業責任盡全力為被告辯護。最後沒有guilty就代表法律上被告是無辜的。
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/06/clintons-1975-rape-case/
I agree, Hillary was an attorney at that time, and that was her job. She was good at it.
But how could she went to a talk show and laugh about it, being a woman herself? that is just cold heartless.
就你懂！
做 为一个有一点尊严的女律师，有点善恶概念的女律师，就不会接这个案去为一个强奸小孩子的人辩护！
说实话，希拉里的支持者，有一部分人跟希拉里的做人标准也差不多。就象这里有人希拉里的支持者还支持母子结婚呢。
估计弄丢了染了血和精液的内裤只是尽力而为？
当年誓词，污蔑小姑娘长期倾心于年长男士，渴望发生性关系
she had been professional defending the rapist, and she had been heartless laughing on the case in a talk show.
She also called this little girl "bitch".
She has a daughter her self. How would she feel if she was raped while she was 12 years old?
How would she feel if her daughter was raped while she was 12 years old?
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she didn't laugh about the plaintiff. she laughed at how absurd the legal system truly was. the first laugh was about the prosecutor not giving her the required evidence. The second was about the defendant passing a polygraph test, which as she said, destroyed her faith in polygraph.
http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/06/23/new-conservative-clinton-smear-undermines-the-a/199831
Exactly. there is nothing wrong to be the 辩护律师, but 事后这种言行说明她没人性
睜著眼睛說瞎話。這上面都是虛實精神測驗出的結果。難道你認為指控強暴的人不可能說謊？
why she laughed? this is a debatable topic, everyone sees it different. By the way I am reading it, she is not ashamed of hurting the poor girl and ruining her life.
If I were Hillary, I probably would never talk about the win because I would be so ashamed of myself. I would probably feel guilty towards the girl for the rest of my life....let alone bringing her back to the public attention by not avoiding discussing the case in the talk show.
As you mentioned, she said that the defendant's passing the polygraph destroyed her faith in it------which means, Hillary knew it, she knew he was guilty--------------------------------I don't blame her for doing her job professionally, I hate that she didn't care about the victim at all when she knew the girl was ruined by the justice that didn't do her right.
白纸黑字在这里叫说谎话？说一个12岁的小女孩是荡妇是实验结果？你把实验拿出来
别说二十多岁了，大部分女人无论多大年纪，听说这种伤天害理的事，都会伤心不已，都会很同情那个女孩。
如果这个小孩子是你的姐妹，你的孩子，你还这么为它说话吗？
你知道吸瘌痢最缺的是什么吗？就是良心。猪党粉也跟它一样。
this literally never happened. find me the source where Hilary called the plaintiff a bitch.
反过来是不是可以说，只要能赢，就𣎴择手段，寡廉鲜耻，这就是希拉里?
真的是心术不正，其它术再高也没用。
that's what being a defense lawyer is. She believed that the defendant is guilty. She is still under professional obligation to defend him fully. That's how the system works. The lawyers don't decide the guilt. The judge and the jury does.
I mean would you rather that she purposely lose the case if she thought he was guilty? If today you were accused of a crime, would you rather your public defender decide for herself that you were guilty, or so her best and let the court decide?
Exactly the word I am searching. 良知
Of course not, I repeatedly said Hillary was doing her job--and she did well.
I mean would you rather consider that she has conscious left when she brought the public attention back to the poor ruined girl? Anyone who has a heart wouldn't do that, would you agree?
"Of course he claimed he didn’t. All this stuff. He took a lie detector test. I had him take a polygraph, which he passed, which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs. [laughs]"
"So I got an order to see the evidence and the prosecutor didn’t want me to see the evidence. I had to go to Maupin Cummings and convince Maupin that yes indeed I had a right to see the evidence [laughs] before it was presented."
第一次笑因為他認為測謊不准。第二次笑因為檢察官不按照規定給她看證據。這些聽起來像在笑被告？
she didn't do that. She never even talked about the defendant at all. It was the conservative media who tried to use this to attack her that brought the attention back onto the case.
She should have refused to talk about the case at the first place. If I were her, I would just say that I had a few wins or lose, and I wouldn't get into details because that's against my ethics.
Is it too hard for her? or she just didn't feel sorry for the victim AT ALL that she couldn't care less to come up with that?
you do realize that the 1980 article was never published, and the recording was of the interview for the article, not the actual program to be released right?
Perhaps you're right, she shouldn't have talked about the case in such detail. At the same time, I think there's some value in talking about mishandling of justice by the court system against public defenders like this. This is hard to judge. But she had never talked about the girl at all. In fact, the girl didn't even know that Hilary Clinton was her defendant until 2008. Calling Hilary a rape enabler for this is a disrespect to all public defenders.
假如你兒子被人家指控強姦，你認為律師應不應該盡力辯護？還是每個律師都應該自己下結論？
那時誰叫誰的？
今天年齡不重要，重點是假如你兒子被誣賴強姦，你也這麼想嗎？
放心，吸瘌痢不会忘记你们的；一旦她上台，第一桌菜里必有一道叫小火烤乳猪，跟温水煮青蛙相配。所以就是站在吸粉的角度，我都不希望吸瘌痢上台。
這邊一直說良心什麼的，真正沒良心的是辯護律師不盡責任，讓正義無法伸張。
希望指責Hillary的人將來小孩都被誣賴，然後通通坐牢去。
她让人恶心的不是为强奸犯辩护，恶心的是在明知犯罪事实的情况下用栽赃小孩这种恶劣手段来辩护，这已经不是professional duty的范畴了。
不管年齡怎樣，多大都有可能有強姦案。今天因為被告的年齡讓這個變成statutory rape。不過這不代表被告一定說實話。
吸粉的本质露出来了，确实狠毒。 mark一下。
视频里3:37'开始，你的拉稀知道被告是有罪的，但是还是帮被告通过的测谎！你要是看过了还这么说，我只能说明你确实没良心，三观无下限！
I would not call her enabler. I just hate the way she talks about the case, she was not ashamed or maybe never realized that the victim was raped and hurt once, then lost the case and ruined for the rest of her life.... And that's what we disagree, but it's fine, we agree to disagree.
Anyhow, I am heading out, good talk.
hope no more fighting and cursing here....
That's exactly what she did!! 要不然你以為plea bargain是什麼？這個被告最後還是被定罪了。
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既然你認為她違反了professional duty，我們來看看法律上專家怎麼說：
"She was vigorously advocating for her client. What she did was appropriate," said Andrew Schepard, director of Hofstra Law School's Center for Children, Families and the Law. "He was lucky to have her as a lawyer ... In terms of what's good for the little girl? It would have been hell on the victim. But that wasn't Hillary's problem." [Newsday, 2/24/08, via Nexis]
Libertarian lawyer Jonathan Adler wrote of the case for The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/06/20/is-hillary-clintons-conduct-as-a-young-attorney-fair-game/):
Much, if not all, of the criticism of Clinton resulting from this story is misplaced. She was asked (by the prosecutor, no less) to represent a criminal defendant. Her client was accused of raping a 12-year-old girl. From what I can tell, Clinton believed her client was guilty but was nonetheless able to obtain a favorable plea deal because the government had mishandled incriminating evidence. ... What should we make of this story? Perhaps nothing more than that Hillary Clinton represented someone in need and fulfilled her duty as a member of the bar to provide a zealous defense of her client. This is not something for which she should be attacked. We are all the worse off if the message sent to young lawyers is that representing guilty or unpopular clients is likely to be a political liability down the road. Ably and effectively representing a criminal defendant - even one you believe to be guilty - is not "scummy" or inappropriate. Forcing the state to prove its case before it deprives an individual of their life, liberty or property is a noble endeavor.
Innocent until proven guilty. 你懂嗎？有多少強姦案件最後都是捏造的？Remember Duke Lacrosse？被告不應該有良好的法律辯護嗎？
能说出红线这种话的，一定也是跟希拉里一样没有底线且无比恶毒的人，不要忘了诅咒别人的话最后都会应验到自己身上，人在做天在看，不是不报，只是时候未到。
我不是因为反感希拉里才决定不选她（虽然我确实比较反感她）
即使希拉里没当过律师 即使她是个圣人 我也不会选民主党 因为继续引进难民和非法移民 是我不希望看到的
如果民主党的政策是我所喜欢的 我就会选民主党
拜託，這個案件30多年前、她當時28歲、在free legal clinic工作、不想接而被迫接著各被告的案子、直到2008年大眾才知道這件事。你說的為了錢為了名聲，完全不符合這案件的事實。
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希望YouTube 还有点良心留下这些视频
法官之所以指定希拉里做辩护律师，根本就是是检控官向法官推荐的。
记住，是检控官推荐的，是检控官推荐的，是检控官推荐的!!!
这么重要的细节，你们这些人都不提，都不提，都不提。
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