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AB1726似乎有些好消息,准备把教育细分取消,但是保留医疗方面的细分。这说明华人的反抗有一些效果,但是我们一定不能停在这一步上。细分病人的话,各个人种在世界各地都有分布,环境,疾病背景都可以有很大差异,凭什么要把华裔的祖宗八代细分出来?细分医生的话,凭什么老爹是中国人的医生对比老爹是越南人的医生就要被区分开来?请大家继续支持这个抗议,反对任何形式任何领域内的细分!

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大逆转:反AB1726惊现胜利曙光 【http://www.weidb.com/p54174&g=999&tag=latest&page=1

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话说3月以来,伴随着全美尤其加州亚裔和友军的一波波反对声浪,AB1726仍然一路绿灯通过加州议院和各委员会。8/10日我们南北加反AB1726大军发出最后的呼喊,会师三块馒头,官员/群众和各路友军400余人在州长和各位议员眼皮底下成功举行了一次浩浩荡荡的反AB1726集会。AB1726主作者Bonta等明显受到巨大压力,他们一方面开始在媒体上诋毁我们是被误导的不明真相的群众,甚至连带Trump一起骂,说我们都是在散布恐惧;另一方面马不停蹄搞活动搬援军,甚至在上周三把加州民主党背后大靠山CTA都搬出来给参议院施压(详情请看另一篇:《图穷匕首见,狐狸露出大尾巴:加州教师工会正式蹦出来支持AB1726》,www.weidb.com/p54093)。  与此同时,AB1726法案本身也于过去两周在参议院历经三次修改和重审,双方交锋激烈,明显已经进入短兵相接的肉搏阶段。

正当大家都感受到阵阵寒意,群情激愤时,今日官网公布了AB1726在参议院的最后修改结果(也是该法案自提出以来的第四次修改,多谢百合丁紧盯)。仔细一看,大家喜出望外。下面是几个主要改动:
1)Education部分整个全部拿掉,只字不再提,只保留Public Health部分;
2)如通过,实施日期从2018年延后到2022年;
3)去掉Local Program

而教育部分一直是大家反对最激烈的,所以改动1)意味着原始AB1726遭到了重大阉割,不通过最好,但就算通过,也已经成了半个残废,那几位作者心里的小算盘算是白打了。

这个胜利来得太突然,大家都有点把持不住。不过按照Bonta的狡猾过去,短暂庆祝之余,大家还需要继续保持关注和压力。老毛说:宜将剩勇追穷寇,不可沽名学霸王;但俗话也说了:适可而止,物极必反。下一步具体该怎么办,请大家稍安,等我们和Meimei以及几位议员多沟通,弄清楚背后来龙去脉,问问专业意见再做定论。

【刚得到Meimei Huff的消息:AB1726 的最新消息~~该法案作者Bonta在参院跳过3次可以投票的机会最主要的原因是州长无法按照当时的版本投下赞成的票,其中一个最大的原因是社区中对该法案有极大的反弹。 Bobta只有两条路走:1)按照当初的版本通过参院投票之后被州长否决,2)作出让步修改版本作到州长及议员们可以接受的程度。当初版本被人诟病的地方是AB1726想走后门绕过209号提案重新启动以人种、肤色、国籍等因素作为在教育公共政策的入学,就能及工程的审核标准,以致于导致亚裔及华人在教育方面的可能损失。大家都记得共和党越南裔参议员Janet Nguyen在健康委员会投票赞成AB1726。 Senator Bob Huff 事后特别与她详谈,Janet也特别表示由健康角度来看,AB1726对于亚裔争取资源改善健康是有益的同时也不会牺牲其他的族裔,但她向Bob表示该法案到参院投票时,她会和我们站在一起反对,因为该法案包括了教育的部分是我们无法接受的。这些来自于州长、议员及社区的反对逼的Bonta不得不将该法案中与教育有关的部分全部删除! 💪💪💪目前版本只与健康有关,而且只能在2022年及有政府资源的情形之下才可以开始实施。目前共和党参议院正在审视目前修改过后的版本。以上是目前的情形。谢谢社区朋友们齐心的努力大幅度的改善了一个不好的法案而直接的在教育领域上帮助到我们的社区的家庭及学童们! [玫瑰][玫瑰][玫瑰]如有进一步消息我也会继续提供给大家。】

先给大家一个大大的赞!也请大家继续帮拉签名,我们随时准备再次面呈州长办公室:
https://www.change.org/p/california-governor-veto-ab-1726
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[81楼] 附一下8/19日改动后的原文:Introduced by Assembly Member Bonta
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蓝色为改动部分。

Existing law requires any state agency, board, or commission that directly or by contract collects demographic data as to the ancestry or ethnic origin of Californians to use separate collection categories and tabulations for specified Asian groups and Pacific Islander groups, and requires a state agency, board, or commission to include data on specified collection categories and tabulations in every demographic report on ancestry or ethnic origins of California residents that it publishes or releases. Existing law requires specified agencies to use additional separate collection categories and other tabulations for major Asian groups and Native Hawaiian and other Pacific Islander groups, and also requires those agencies to take additional actions, including, among other things, posting, and annually updating, the demographic data collected on their Internet Web sites, and updating the reporting categories to reflect these Asian and Pacific Islander groups as they are reported for the 2020 decennial census.
This bill would require the updating of the reporting categories for future decennial censuses. The bill would require the State Department of Public[s] Health, the State Department of Health Care Services, the Board of Governors of the California Community Colleges, the Trustees of the California State University, and the Regents of the University of California(删)[/s] Health to use the additional separate collection categories and other tabulations for specified Asian groups and Pacific Islander groups, and to take additional actions as specified above, under certain circumstances.[s] The bill would not apply its categorization requirements to demographic data of graduate and professional schools of the University of California. The bill would be applicable to the University of California only if the Regents of the University of California, by resolution, make it applicable.(删)[/s]
[s] [s]To the extent the bill would impose additional requirements on community colleges, the bill would impose a state-mandated local program.[/s]
[s]The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that reimbursement.[/s]
[s]This bill would provide that, if the Commission on State Mandates determines that the bill contains costs mandated by the state, reimbursement for those costs shall be made pursuant to these statutory provisions.(删)[/s]
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DIGEST KEYVote: majority   Appropriation: no   Fiscal Committee: yes   Local Program: [s]yes[/s]no  
BILL TEXTTHE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:

SECTION 1. Section 8310.7 of the Government Code is amended to read:

8310.7. (a) This section shall only apply to the following state agencies:
(1) The Department of Industrial Relations.
(2) The Department of Fair Employment and Housing.
(3) [s]The
[/s][s] [s](删)[/s] [/s]To the extent funding is specifically appropriated for this purpose, the State Department of Public Health, on or after July 1,[s]2018,[/s] 2022, whenever collecting demographic data as to the ancestry or ethnic origin of persons for a report that includes rates for major diseases, leading causes of death per demographic, subcategories for leading causes of death in California overall, pregnancy rates, or housing numbers.
[s] [s](4)The State Department of Health Care Services, on or after July 1, 2018, whenever collecting demographic data as to the ancestry or ethnic origin of persons.[/s] [s](删)[/s] [/s][s]
[s](5)The Trustees of the California State University or the Regents of the University of California, on or after July 1, 2017, whenever the entity collects demographic data as to the ancestry or ethnic origin of students for a report that includes student admission, enrollment, completion, or graduation rates.[/s] [s](删)[/s] [/s][s]
[s](6)The Board of Governors of the California Community Colleges, on or after July 1, 2020, whenever the entity collects demographic data as to the ancestry or ethnic origin of students for a report that includes student enrollment, completion, or graduation rates.[/s] [s](删)[/s] [/s](b) In addition to the duties imposed under Section 8310.5, the state agencies described in subdivision (a), in the course of collecting demographic data directly or by contract as to the ancestry or ethnic origin of California residents, shall collect and tabulate data for the following:
(1) Additional major Asian groups, including, but not limited to, Bangladeshi, Hmong, Indonesian, Malaysian, Pakistani, Sri Lankan, Taiwanese, and Thai.
(2) Additional major Native Hawaiian and other Pacific Islander groups, including, but not limited to, Fijian and Tongan.
(c) (1) The state agencies identified in subdivision (a) shall make any data collected pursuant to subdivision (b) publicly available,[s]except as described in paragraph (2) for the entities identified in paragraph (5) or (6) of subdivision (a), and[/s] except as described in paragraph[s] (3) for departments identified in paragraphs (3) and (4)[/s][s] [s](删)[/s] [/s](2) for the department identified in paragraph (3) of subdivision (a), and except for personal identifying information, which shall be deemed confidential, by posting the data on the Internet Web site of the agency on or before July 1, 2012, and annually thereafter. This subdivision shall not be construed to prevent any other state agency from posting data collected pursuant to subdivision (b) on the agency’s Internet Web site, in the manner prescribed by this section.
[s] [s](2)Where applicable, each entity identified in paragraph (5) or (6) of subdivision (a) shall comply with the federal Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (20 U.S.C. Sec. 1232g) and shall observe federal criteria for ensuring statistical significance of data collected and published.[/s] [s](删)[/s] [/s][s]
[s](3)[/s]
[/s](2) The state[s] departments
[/s][s] [s](删)[/s] [/s] department identified in[s] paragraphs
[/s][s] [s](删)[/s] [/s] paragraph (3)[s] and (4)[/s] of subdivision (a) shall not report demographic data that would permit identification of individuals.[s] These departments[/s] The department may, to prevent identification of individuals, aggregate data categories at a state, county, city, census tract, or ZIP Code level to facilitate comparisons and identify disparities.
(d) [s](1)Except as provided in paragraph (2) for the Board of Governors of the California Community Colleges, the
[/s][s] [s](删)[/s] [/s]The state agencies identified in subdivision (a) shall, within 18 months after a decennial United States Census is released to the public, update their data collection to reflect the additional Asian groups and additional Native Hawaiian and Pacific Islander groups as they are reported by the United States Census Bureau.
[s] [s](2)Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the Board of Governors of the California Community Colleges until 18 months after the 2030 decennial United States Census is released to the public.[/s] [s](删)[/s] [/s](e) The state[s] departments[/s] department identified in[s] paragraphs[/s] paragraph (3)[s] and (4)[/s] of subdivision (a) shall not report demographic data that would result in statistical unreliability.
(f) The state department identified in paragraph (3) of subdivision (a)[s] may, but is not required to, collect demographic data pursuant to this section[/s] may continue to collect and report demographic data in the form that the data was submitted if the data was collected under either of the following circumstances:
(1) Pursuant to federal programs or surveys, whereby the guidelines for demographic data collection categories are defined by the federal program or survey.
(2) Demographic data collected by other entities, including either of the following:
(A) State offices, departments, and agencies not included in subdivision (a).
(B) Third-party entity administered surveys not solely funded by the state department.
[s] [s](g)This section shall not apply to demographic data of graduate or professional schools of the University of California.[/s] [s](删)[/s] [/s][s]
[s](h)This section shall apply to the University of California only if the Regents of the University of California, by resolution, make it applicable.[/s] [/s][s] [s](删)[/s] [/s]

[s]
SEC. 2. [s]If the Commission on State Mandates determines that this act contains costs mandated by the State, reimbursement to local agencies and school districts for those costs shall be made pursuant to Part 7 (commencing with Section 17500) of Division 4 of Title 2 of the Government Code.[/s] [/s]
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ywu130
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lz,我不太懂这个,但是疾病细分有啥害处?比如印度人高发的疾病跟中国人可能不太一样,对医疗研究有害处吗?不懂纯提问
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AngelBeibei
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lz,我不太懂这个,但是疾病细分有啥害处?比如印度人高发的疾病跟中国人可能不太一样,对医疗研究有害处吗?不懂纯提问
ywu130 发表于 8/20/2016 11:01:33 PM

可以去看看fda发布的所有药品label,很少有什么药物在哪个亚洲的一个人群和另外一个人群里使用方式不一样的,因为做临床试验的时候很少有可能收集到足够的样本来证明这个级别的人口差异。能收到亚洲人和非亚洲人的差异就不错了。这种情况下收集病人是中国人还是印度人没有意义,因为从治疗方法来讲没有差别。

你说很多疾病在某个群体里高发,主要是因为环境不同导致发病率不同。离开了那个环境,特别是对二代来说,是不是高发就难说了。也有一些高发是gene不同,但是gene对治疗反应的差异如果足够明显的话,直接上gene检测就可以了,也不需要提供是中国人还是亚洲人。再说了,要说环境和基因差别,白人黑人墨西哥人里差异也很多,为什么只分亚裔呢?

医疗研究当然信息越多越好,但这种信息在每个研究里收集就可以了,没有必要通过政府收集。现在科研中获得的这种信息怎么保密怎么使用都有严格要求。政府收了想干嘛?政府究竟会怎么用这些信息我不知道,历史上用来细分犹太人送进集中营还是听说过的。还是那句话,要分就一起分,白人黑人墨西哥人,大家都分也就罢了,只分亚裔绝对是没有科研意义但是有很多ethics隐患的。
ostrakon
4 楼
支持,加油
dextran
5 楼
多谢,支持,加油↖(^ω^)↗
Arlindgenono
6 楼
谢谢楼主的更新!我们还是要继续反对,发出自己的声音!
飞越疯人院
7 楼
不错,取消教育细分就OK。
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chali1234
8 楼
lz,我不太懂这个,但是疾病细分有啥害处?比如印度人高发的疾病跟中国人可能不太一样,对医疗研究有害处吗?不懂纯提问
ywu130 发表于 8/20/2016 11:01:33 PM

借口而已,以后就是孟加拉 菲律宾的有白卡,华裔没有
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rabbit1688
9 楼
这种医疗种族分类应该只是医疗系统,而不应该提升到政治高度,这个就是为以后福利分配其实华人做准备。

政府利用这种数据来manipulate以后的医疗研究和福利分配,都是可以打race牌的
千堆雪
10 楼
这种医疗种族分类应该只是医疗系统,而不应该提升到政治高度,这个就是为以后福利分配其实华人做准备。

政府利用这种数据来manipulate以后的医疗研究和福利分配,都是可以打race牌的
rabbit1688 发表于 8/21/2016 12:03:51 AM

太无耻了,一息尚存就坚决反对AB1726。
magicbaby
11 楼
赞!
goldengate
12 楼
Great news!继续努力!
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dianaju
13 楼
Thanks for the updates. Let's continue fighting against this!
dfgd
14 楼

借口而已,以后就是孟加拉 菲律宾的有白卡,华裔没有

chali1234 发表于 8/20/2016 11:58:38 PM

如果要细分拿福利的话,华裔估计统计还真的比较少。
ouvter
15 楼
不错,取消教育细分就OK。
飞越疯人院 发表于 8/20/2016 11:57:18 PM
不觉得OK,只要是细分,不管什么领域,要细分,黑人,白人,亚洲人一起细分。凭什么只分亚裔?如果这个新的法案通过了,感觉象温水煮青蛙,到时候把数据调出来用到其他地方去,收集的时间都省了。所以从根本上就不能让他们收集这些数据。
xiaodingdong
16 楼
还真不错
这个细分确实很诡异
就是医疗上也不应该有 亚裔里中国人 日本人 韩国人 越南人基本是一个人种
要分那么细的话白人黑人都应该细分才对
蜜饯派第一侠客
17 楼
回复 1楼AngelBeibei的帖子

👍 大家齐心合力,总算有所进展!我个人也赞同,彻底粉碎对方的阴谋!如果提出的反对观点方向对,又团结所有能团结的力量,此次目的必须要在结果,舆论上重创对方,让他们几年内没有重提类似法案的底气。

另外从长远看,坚决拥护,支持培养、选出代表华人利益,替华人发声的新华裔议员;成立专门的华人代表机构,监督发现各种有害/不利于华人利益的提案,并积极组织大家应对,将其尽早粉碎于萌芽中。 同时监督华人支持选出的议员,对于阴奉阳违,出卖华人利益的,要及时揭露,让大家去声讨,尽快把这种吃里扒外的选下去!如果发展的好并且有余力,还可以尝试游说,推动有利于华人的新法案,政策。总之,在美的华人不能再一盘散沙,必须团结起来,而且时刻警醒,必须有自己专门的组织为我们盯着我们的利益才行!
sleepykittie
18 楼
不错,取消教育细分就OK。
飞越疯人院 发表于 8/20/2016 11:57:18 PM
不能OK。
现在在大家的分对下,只好取消教育部分, 但是,用于医疗只是为细分亚裔收集数据有个出师之名。开了细分的头,政府以后会怎样manipulate data,很难说。还是一句话, why single out asian Americans?
天下掉馅饼的好事怎么可能轮到亚裔特别是华裔!
hello_kitty
19 楼
不能OK。
现在在大家的分对下,只好取消教育部分, 但是,用于医疗只是为细分亚裔收集数据有个出师之名。开了细分的头,政府以后会怎样manipulate data,很难说。还是一句话, why single out asian Americans?
天下掉馅饼的好事怎么可能轮到亚裔特别是华裔!

sleepykittie 发表于 8/21/2016 1:33:20 AM
同意。 why single out Asian American?

根本就不OK
hello_kitty
20 楼
不觉得OK,只要是细分,不管什么领域,要细分,黑人,白人,亚洲人一起细分。凭什么只分亚裔?如果这个新的法案通过了,感觉象温水煮青蛙,到时候把数据调出来用到其他地方去,收集的时间都省了。所以从根本上就不能让他们收集这些数据。
ouvter 发表于 8/21/2016 12:44:16 AM
对,不觉得OK. 要一直fight.
why single out Asian? it is odd
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lolliby
21 楼
支持!!!!谢谢楼主
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happylancer
22 楼
加油!继续努力!
lifetobepositive
23 楼

在加州,正确的就要坚持到底。否则我们就是弱势群体,遇到那些无良民主党的华人,就杯踩的更厉害
Yahii
24 楼
这是民主党缓兵之计,他们怕大选年影响选票。
我们不管细分用作什么领域 都要坚决反对
凭什么只按地区细分亚裔而不细分其他的族裔?
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woshihai
25 楼
坚决反对到㡳,医疗只是借口
majia113
26 楼
支持,加油!
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purplemeteor
27 楼
反对以任何借口的细分,除非其他族裔同时也细分。不觉得收集这个对健康有什么提高。clinical trial里都不会收集这么细的资料,asian就是一大块,有会单独看基因的但也不是根据国家分。感觉修改的这个版本还是想温水煮青蛙
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Minamiting
28 楼
支持一下。
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Emily08
29 楼
Thanks for sharing! Supports! !!!!!
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AngelBeibei
30 楼
这种医疗种族分类应该只是医疗系统,而不应该提升到政治高度,这个就是为以后福利分配其实华人做准备。

政府利用这种数据来manipulate以后的医疗研究和福利分配,都是可以打race牌的
rabbit1688 发表于 8/21/2016 12:03:51 AM
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atreeoflight
31 楼
没错,为了以后再提把教育纳入法案做准备,阴险哪!一定要彻底不能让这个歧视性法案通过!


不觉得OK,只要是细分,不管什么领域,要细分,黑人,白人,亚洲人一起细分。凭什么只分亚裔?如果这个新的法案通过了,感觉象温水煮青蛙,到时候把数据调出来用到其他地方去,收集的时间都省了。所以从根本上就不能让他们收集这些数据。

ouvter 发表于 8/21/2016 12:44:00 AM
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wtwyc
32 楼
不能OK。
现在在大家的分对下,只好取消教育部分, 但是,用于医疗只是为细分亚裔收集数据有个出师之名。开了细分的头,政府以后会怎样manipulate data,很难说。还是一句话, why single out asian Americans?
天下掉馅饼的好事怎么可能轮到亚裔特别是华裔!

sleepykittie 发表于 8/21/2016 1:33:20 AM
shopper1408
33 楼
支持支持。
ratzinger
34 楼
还真不错
这个细分确实很诡异
就是医疗上也不应该有 亚裔里中国人 日本人 韩国人 越南人基本是一个人种
要分那么细的话白人黑人都应该细分才对
xiaodingdong 发表于 8/21/2016 12:47:55 AM

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一心一意
35 楼
坚决抵制只针对Asian的细分,管它什么明目。
ratzinger
36 楼
AB 1726 Undermines The Principle of Color-Blind Equality Before The Law

http://www.ocdaily.net/commentary/ab-1726-undermines-the-principle-of-color-blind-equality-before-the-law/
ConnieBear
37 楼
医疗上最特殊的人种,黑白黄分法以外的是犹太人,很多遗传病几乎只在犹太人里发生。
区分中国人日本人韩国人,一点科学根据都没有。
大选的时候加州国人能投共和党吗,至少某个国人集中的县投个众议院参议员什么的。
happyelf
38 楼
不能OK。
现在在大家的分对下,只好取消教育部分, 但是,用于医疗只是为细分亚裔收集数据有个出师之名。开了细分的头,政府以后会怎样manipulate data,很难说。还是一句话, why single out asian Americans?
天下掉馅饼的好事怎么可能轮到亚裔特别是华裔!

sleepykittie 发表于 8/21/2016 1:33:20 AM 同意
Pussycat
39 楼

支持楼主,只要细分存在我们就要斗争,管它是哪方面的,把亚裔单独列出来细分就是有鬼!!不过下面该怎么做??
Wei2009
40 楼
为什么不细分黑人白人南美人?坚决斗争到底,反对任何形式的歧视亚裔
xiaodingdong
41 楼
千万别小看了医疗单位对病人信息的掌握度,他们那里的信息非常全 社会安全号 人种 地址 病例 啥都有
我记得电影《黑皮书》里 背叛里面一群犹太人的就是一个医生 当时很多犹太人染发(因为德国人都是金发碧眼)所以可以混在德国人群里暂时躲避搜铺 但是那个医生他掌握他们的所有信息 然后把他们把那些信息都出卖给了德国兵 最后德国兵根据得到的信息挨个搜铺那些犹太人 并且屠杀他们
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AngelBeibei
42 楼
千万别小看了医疗单位对病人信息的掌握度,他们那里的信息非常全 社会安全号 人种 地址 病例 啥都有
我记得看过一个犹太人被屠杀的一个电影 背叛里面一群犹太人的就是一个医生 当时很多犹太人染发(因为德国人都是金发碧眼)所以可以混在德国人群里暂时躲避搜铺 但是那个医生他掌握他们的所有信息 然后把他们把那些信息都出卖给了德国兵 最后德国兵根据得到的信息挨个搜铺那些犹太人 并且屠杀他们
xiaodingdong 发表于 8/21/2016 12:44:20 PM
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star1991
43 楼
好消息,除了签名,还有什么可做的?好奇怪,这个关trump什么事?议员骂trump干吗?我是强烈建议,加州有投票权的华人,真的不能再投民主党了。不然类似法案,还会卷土从来。
大喜妞
44 楼
为啥医院部分其他族裔
xiaodingdong
45 楼
好消息,除了签名,还有什么可做的?好奇怪,这个关trump什么事?议员骂trump干吗?我是强烈建议,加州有投票权的华人,真的不能再投民主党了。不然类似法案,还会卷土从来。
star1991 发表于 8/21/2016 12:56:42 PM
哪个党党不是很重要 重要的是选的人 不要选带种族歧视的人 不要选偏激激进的人就好就说trump 他以前一直是民主党的 现在为了相当总统为了选票投机转为共和党而已
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star1991
46 楼
哪个党党不是很重要 重要的是选的人 不要选带种族歧视的人 不要选偏激激进的人就好就说trump 他以前一直是民主党的 现在为了相当总统为了选票投机转为共和党而已

xiaodingdong 发表于 8/21/2016 1:14:53 PM

我倒不是为共和党拉票,我觉得从权利制衡角度来看,加州也应该选共和党,从sca-5 到今天的 AB1726, 投反对票的都是共和党对不对?你说共和党投机要亚裔的选票也行,就怕你事情一过,还是一如即往投民主党,最后连共和党也认为你毫无争取价值,放弃了你。只要加州民主党继续一党独大,类似法案绝对会卷土重来。
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page394
47 楼
哪个党党不是很重要 重要的是选的人 不要选带种族歧视的人 不要选偏激激进的人就好就说trump 他以前一直是民主党的 现在为了相当总统为了选票投机转为共和党而已

xiaodingdong 发表于 8/21/2016 1:14:53 PM
民主党等于种族歧视。天天琢磨种族这事儿的就是他们。
xiaodingdong
48 楼
重要的是选人 不是选哪个党派
重要的是选人 不是选哪个党派
重要的是选人 不是选哪个党派
重要是事说3遍
是哪个党派是可以变的!!
比如Trump
他以前一直是民主党的 现在为了选总统 换成了共和党啊
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AngelBeibei
49 楼
重要的是选人 不是选哪个党派
重要的是选人 不是选哪个党派
重要的是选人 不是选哪个党派
重要是事说3遍
是哪个党派是可以变的!!
比如Trump
他以前一直是民主党的 现在为了选总统 换成了共和党啊
xiaodingdong 发表于 8/21/2016 1:44:57 PM

今年重要的是选党派 不能再上自由派大法官
今年重要的是选党派 不能再上自由派大法官
今年重要的是选党派 不能再上自由派大法官

重要的事情说三遍。
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AngelBeibei
50 楼

今年重要的是选党派 不能再上自由派大法官
今年重要的是选党派 不能再上自由派大法官
今年重要的是选党派 不能再上自由派大法官

重要的事情说三遍
AngelBeibei 发表于 8/21/2016 1:50:13 PM

党派也是可以变的 奥巴马以前的民主党也不是像现在这样没有原则没有底线卖国求选票的 人当然也要跟着变
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star1991
51 楼
重要的是选人 不是选哪个党派
重要的是选人 不是选哪个党派
重要的是选人 不是选哪个党派
重要是事说3遍
是哪个党派是可以变的!!
比如Trump
他以前一直是民主党的 现在为了选总统 换成了共和党啊
xiaodingdong 发表于 8/21/2016 1:44:57 PM
你反trump吧,这讨论加州,你非把trump扯进来,我没觉得选hillary比trump好在哪. 你要在加州,继续投民主党吧,以后继续加州华人又告急,那就是自作孽,不可活
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dianet
52 楼

今年重要的是选党派 不能再上自由派大法官
今年重要的是选党派 不能再上自由派大法官
今年重要的是选党派 不能再上自由派大法官

重要的事情说三遍。

AngelBeibei 发表于 8/21/2016 1:50:13 PM

这才是关键。
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anabel
53 楼
老狐狸想法没得逞 他只能将计就计 只要一个细分过了 之后教育细分必定卷土从来
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dianet
54 楼
你反trump吧,这讨论加州,你非把trump扯进来,我没觉得选hillary比trump好在哪. 你要在加州,继续投民主党吧,以后继续加州华人又告急,那就是自作孽,不可活

star1991 发表于 8/21/2016 1:57:05 PM

你说对了,看她ID就知道了,真是见缝插针都要来反trump
xiaodingdong
55 楼

今年重要的是选党派 不能再上自由派大法官
今年重要的是选党派 不能再上自由派大法官
今年重要的是选党派 不能再上自由派大法官

重要的事情说三遍。

AngelBeibei 发表于 8/21/2016 1:50:13 PM

种族歧视偏向的人提名的大法官当然也是偏向种族歧视的
跟自由派还是保守派没啥关系
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dhd
56 楼
医疗也不能细分啊 不然华人当医生 做病人 以后都会给你设坎坎
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AngelBeibei
57 楼
种族歧视偏向的人提名的大法官当然也是偏向种族歧视的
跟自由派还是保守派没啥关系
xiaodingdong 发表于 8/21/2016 2:05:44 PM

最种族歧视的就是民主党了 不是偏向 是实打实地做着呢 所以不能选民主党
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AngelBeibei
58 楼

今年重要的是选党派 不能再上自由派大法官
今年重要的是选党派 不能再上自由派大法官
今年重要的是选党派 不能再上自由派大法官

重要的事情说三遍。

AngelBeibei 发表于 8/21/2016 1:50:13 PM

民主党最种族歧视 还擅长伪装 一边可着劲儿歧视亚裔 一边指责别人种族歧视
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dianet
59 楼

种族歧视偏向的人提名的大法官当然也是偏向种族歧视的
跟自由派还是保守派没啥关系

xiaodingdong 发表于 8/21/2016 2:05:44 PM

你少来了,最种族歧视的是谁大家都知道。不用狡辩了,有这点精力还是留着去看奥运会吧。
千堆雪
60 楼
坚决反对AB1726,坚决支持川普,川普2016
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foot16
61 楼
有些人非法移民指望希拉里上台能解决身份呢,不过老狐狸的话也当真
xiaodingdong
62 楼

民主党最种族歧视 还擅长伪装 一边可着劲儿歧视亚裔 一边指责别人种族歧视

AngelBeibei 发表于 8/21/2016 2:17:55 PM
每个党里都有种族歧视的人Trump就是啊 民主党的时候就是 在共和党的时候还是啊

Windygrass
63 楼
支持共和党和trump!
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kcl2015
64 楼
支持楼主,不可以松懈,一切细分都是后患。看看历史,犹太人种族大屠杀开始也是不痛不痒的细分。有了这个数据,就为以后各种排华政策铺路了
icylava
65 楼

今年重要的是选党派 不能再上自由派大法官
今年重要的是选党派 不能再上自由派大法官
今年重要的是选党派 不能再上自由派大法官

重要的事情说三遍。

AngelBeibei 发表于 8/21/2016 1:50:13 PM
RE!某ID的神逻辑是:民主党支持亚裔细分,所以不能选Trump……
这脑子里不知进了多少水
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AngelBeibei
66 楼
今年重要的是选党派 不能再上自由派大法官
今年重要的是选党派 不能再上自由派大法官
今年重要的是选党派 不能再上自由派大法官
重要的事情说三遍。
AngelBeibei 发表于 8/21/2016 1:50:13 PM

还有人说trump种族歧视的,那你给找个不种族歧视的候选人来,不会认为打压亚裔的希拉里不种族歧视吧?
advv
67 楼
我是签了名了。虽然人不在加州。但是相信唇亡齿寒。不过加州华人一片片地支持民主党觉得也有点自作自受的感觉。
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chali1234
68 楼
每个党里都有种族歧视的人Trump就是啊 民主党的时候就是 在共和党的时候还是啊



xiaodingdong 发表于 8/21/2016 2:47:59 PM

民主党粉对所有不同意他们的人都可以随便扣上种族歧视的帽子。
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star1991
69 楼
我是签了名了。虽然人不在加州。但是相信唇亡齿寒。不过加州华人一片片地支持民主党觉得也有点自作自受的感觉。
advv 发表于 8/21/2016 3:28:30 PM
我在加州曾经呆过将近四年,所以从sca-5到现在的AB1726,我家都是积极响应号召,捐款呀,签名呀,但总有在作无用功的感觉,觉得这事一过,估计还是老样子,民主党铁票,不弄你弄谁。
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AngelBeibei
70 楼
我是签了名了。虽然人不在加州。但是相信唇亡齿寒。不过加州华人一片片地支持民主党觉得也有点自作自受的感觉。
advv 发表于 8/21/2016 3:28:30 PM
不要这样说加州同胞嘛,现在大家要团结起来。说真的,去年这个时候我也对选举毫不关心,参政意识总是慢慢建立的,我们要一起加油啊。
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wtwyc
71 楼
医疗上最特殊的人种,黑白黄分法以外的是犹太人,很多遗传病几乎只在犹太人里发生。
区分中国人日本人韩国人,一点科学根据都没有。
大选的时候加州国人能投共和党吗,至少某个国人集中的县投个众议院参议员什么的。
ConnieBear 发表于 8/21/2016 10:57:04 AM


是这样的 很多基因检测都是犹太人的基因缺陷有关
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wtwyc
72 楼

我倒不是为共和党拉票,我觉得从权利制衡角度来看,加州也应该选共和党,从sca-5 到今天的 AB1726, 投反对票的都是共和党对不对?你说共和党投机要亚裔的选票也行,就怕你事情一过,还是一如即往投民主党,最后连共和党也认为你毫无争取价值,放弃了你。只要加州民主党继续一党独大,类似法案绝对会卷土重来。

star1991 发表于 8/21/2016 1:39:19 PM


同意
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wtwyc
73 楼
我是签了名了。虽然人不在加州。但是相信唇亡齿寒。不过加州华人一片片地支持民主党觉得也有点自作自受的感觉。
advv 发表于 8/21/2016 3:28:30 PM


完全不明白为啥加州华人爱投民主党。
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AngelBeibei
74 楼
完全不明白为啥加州华人爱投民主党。
wtwyc 发表于 8/21/2016 4:38:23 PM

应该说以前各地华人都不怎么关心政治,希望以后我们华人能够对此重视起来,也团结起来。
luckyso
75 楼
川普种族歧视?TRUMP从1997开始就为黑人争取平等权利
When Palm Beach social clubs barred African Americans and Jews, Donald Trump's lawyer sent copies of the film, 'Guess Who's Coming to Dinner,' to members of Palm Beach town council and filed a lawsuit against them April 30, 1997, "Trump’s Palm Beach Club Roils the Old Social Order," The Wall Street Journal, by Jacqueline Bueno.

Throughout the 90s, Trump pissed off the establishment in Palm Beach by TAKING DOWN white supremacy and discrimination. WSJ article from 1997.

In other words? In other words, long before he was running for president, there was Donald Trump battling racism and anti-Semitism in Palm Beach society. Using every tool at his disposal.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB862335923489989500
http://doingadvancework.huaren.us/2016/02/when-palm-beach-social-clubs-barred.html
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AngelBeibei
76 楼
顶。请大家继续支持,签名petition
lz3456
77 楼
坚决反对到㡳,医疗只是借口
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AngelBeibei
78 楼
https://www.change.org/p/california-governor-veto-ab-1726

反对细分的petition,请大家继续支持。
anangel
79 楼
ding!
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catgoose
80 楼
我附一下8/19日改动后的原文:Introduced by Assembly Member Bonta
Existing law requires any state agency, board, or commission that directly or by contract collects demographic data as to the ancestry or ethnic origin of Californians to use separate collection categories and tabulations for specified Asian groups and Pacific Islander groups, and requires a state agency, board, or commission to include data on specified collection categories and tabulations in every demographic report on ancestry or ethnic origins of California residents that it publishes or releases. Existing law requires specified agencies to use additional separate collection categories and other tabulations for major Asian groups and Native Hawaiian and other Pacific Islander groups, and also requires those agencies to take additional actions, including, among other things, posting, and annually updating, the demographic data collected on their Internet Web sites, and updating the reporting categories to reflect these Asian and Pacific Islander groups as they are reported for the 2020 decennial census.
This bill would require the updating of the reporting categories for future decennial censuses. The bill would require the State Department of Public[s] Health, the State Department of Health Care Services, the Board of Governors of the California Community Colleges, the Trustees of the California State University, and the Regents of the University of California[/s] Health to use the additional separate collection categories and other tabulations for specified Asian groups and Pacific Islander groups, and to take additional actions as specified above, under certain circumstances.[s] The bill would not apply its categorization requirements to demographic data of graduate and professional schools of the University of California. The bill would be applicable to the University of California only if the Regents of the University of California, by resolution, make it applicable.[/s]
[s] [s]To the extent the bill would impose additional requirements on community colleges, the bill would impose a state-mandated local program.[/s]
[s]The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that reimbursement.[/s]
[s]This bill would provide that, if the Commission on State Mandates determines that the bill contains costs mandated by the state, reimbursement for those costs shall be made pursuant to these statutory provisions.[/s]
[/s]
DIGEST KEYVote: majority   Appropriation: no   Fiscal Committee: yes   Local Program: [s]yes[/s]no  
BILL TEXTTHE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:

SECTION 1. Section 8310.7 of the Government Code is amended to read:

8310.7. (a) This section shall only apply to the following state agencies:
(1) The Department of Industrial Relations.
(2) The Department of Fair Employment and Housing.
(3) [s]The [/s]To the extent funding is specifically appropriated for this purpose, the State Department of Public Health, on or after July 1,[s]2018,[/s] 2022, whenever collecting demographic data as to the ancestry or ethnic origin of persons for a report that includes rates for major diseases, leading causes of death per demographic, subcategories for leading causes of death in California overall, pregnancy rates, or housing numbers.
[s] [s](4)The State Department of Health Care Services, on or after July 1, 2018, whenever collecting demographic data as to the ancestry or ethnic origin of persons.[/s]
[s](5)The Trustees of the California State University or the Regents of the University of California, on or after July 1, 2017, whenever the entity collects demographic data as to the ancestry or ethnic origin of students for a report that includes student admission, enrollment, completion, or graduation rates.[/s]
[s](6)The Board of Governors of the California Community Colleges, on or after July 1, 2020, whenever the entity collects demographic data as to the ancestry or ethnic origin of students for a report that includes student enrollment, completion, or graduation rates.[/s]
[/s](b) In addition to the duties imposed under Section 8310.5, the state agencies described in subdivision (a), in the course of collecting demographic data directly or by contract as to the ancestry or ethnic origin of California residents, shall collect and tabulate data for the following:
(1) Additional major Asian groups, including, but not limited to, Bangladeshi, Hmong, Indonesian, Malaysian, Pakistani, Sri Lankan, Taiwanese, and Thai.
(2) Additional major Native Hawaiian and other Pacific Islander groups, including, but not limited to, Fijian and Tongan.
(c) (1) The state agencies identified in subdivision (a) shall make any data collected pursuant to subdivision (b) publicly available,[s]except as described in paragraph (2) for the entities identified in paragraph (5) or (6) of subdivision (a), and[/s] except as described in paragraph[s] (3) for departments identified in paragraphs (3) and (4)[/s] (2) for the department identified in paragraph (3) of subdivision (a), and except for personal identifying information, which shall be deemed confidential, by posting the data on the Internet Web site of the agency on or before July 1, 2012, and annually thereafter. This subdivision shall not be construed to prevent any other state agency from posting data collected pursuant to subdivision (b) on the agency’s Internet Web site, in the manner prescribed by this section.
[s] [s](2)Where applicable, each entity identified in paragraph (5) or (6) of subdivision (a) shall comply with the federal Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (20 U.S.C. Sec. 1232g) and shall observe federal criteria for ensuring statistical significance of data collected and published.[/s]
[s](3)[/s]
[/s](2) The state[s] departments[/s] department identified in[s] paragraphs[/s] paragraph (3)[s] and (4)[/s] of subdivision (a) shall not report demographic data that would permit identification of individuals.[s] These departments[/s] The department may, to prevent identification of individuals, aggregate data categories at a state, county, city, census tract, or ZIP Code level to facilitate comparisons and identify disparities.
(d) [s](1)Except as provided in paragraph (2) for the Board of Governors of the California Community Colleges, the [/s]The state agencies identified in subdivision (a) shall, within 18 months after a decennial United States Census is released to the public, update their data collection to reflect the additional Asian groups and additional Native Hawaiian and Pacific Islander groups as they are reported by the United States Census Bureau.
[s] [s](2)Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the Board of Governors of the California Community Colleges until 18 months after the 2030 decennial United States Census is released to the public.[/s]
[/s](e) The state[s] departments[/s] department identified in[s] paragraphs[/s] paragraph (3)[s] and (4)[/s] of subdivision (a) shall not report demographic data that would result in statistical unreliability.
(f) The state department identified in paragraph (3) of subdivision (a)[s] may, but is not required to, collect demographic data pursuant to this section[/s] may continue to collect and report demographic data in the form that the data was submitted if the data was collected under either of the following circumstances:
(1) Pursuant to federal programs or surveys, whereby the guidelines for demographic data collection categories are defined by the federal program or survey.
(2) Demographic data collected by other entities, including either of the following:
(A) State offices, departments, and agencies not included in subdivision (a).
(B) Third-party entity administered surveys not solely funded by the state department.
[s] [s](g)This section shall not apply to demographic data of graduate or professional schools of the University of California.[/s]
[s](h)This section shall apply to the University of California only if the Regents of the University of California, by resolution, make it applicable.[/s]
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SEC. 2. [s]If the Commission on State Mandates determines that this act contains costs mandated by the State, reimbursement to local agencies and school districts for those costs shall be made pursuant to Part 7 (commencing with Section 17500) of Division 4 of Title 2 of the Government Code.[/s] [/s]
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catgoose
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我附一下8/19日改动后的原文:Introduced by Assembly Member Bonta
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Existing law requires any state agency, board, or commission that directly or by contract collects demographic data as to the ancestry or ethnic origin of Californians to use separate collection categories and tabulations for specified Asian groups and Pacific Islander groups, and requires a state agency, board, or commission to include data on specified collection categories and tabulations in every demographic report on ancestry or ethnic origins of California residents that it publishes or releases. Existing law requires specified agencies to use additional separate collection categories and other tabulations for major Asian groups and Native Hawaiian and other Pacific Islander groups, and also requires those agencies to take additional actions, including, among other things, posting, and annually updating, the demographic data collected on their Internet Web sites, and updating the reporting categories to reflect these Asian and Pacific Islander groups as they are reported for the 2020 decennial census.
This bill would require the updating of the reporting categories for future decennial censuses. The bill would require the State Department of Public[s] Health, the State Department of Health Care Services, the Board of Governors of the California Community Colleges, the Trustees of the California State University, and the Regents of the University of California(删)[/s] Health to use the additional separate collection categories and other tabulations for specified Asian groups and Pacific Islander groups, and to take additional actions as specified above, under certain circumstances.[s] The bill would not apply its categorization requirements to demographic data of graduate and professional schools of the University of California. The bill would be applicable to the University of California only if the Regents of the University of California, by resolution, make it applicable.(删)[/s]
[s] [s]To the extent the bill would impose additional requirements on community colleges, the bill would impose a state-mandated local program.[/s]
[s]The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that reimbursement.[/s]
[s]This bill would provide that, if the Commission on State Mandates determines that the bill contains costs mandated by the state, reimbursement for those costs shall be made pursuant to these statutory provisions.(删)[/s]
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DIGEST KEYVote: majority   Appropriation: no   Fiscal Committee: yes   Local Program: [s]yes[/s]no  
BILL TEXTTHE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:

SECTION 1. Section 8310.7 of the Government Code is amended to read:

8310.7. (a) This section shall only apply to the following state agencies:
(1) The Department of Industrial Relations.
(2) The Department of Fair Employment and Housing.
(3) [s]The
[/s][s] [s](删)[/s] [/s]To the extent funding is specifically appropriated for this purpose, the State Department of Public Health, on or after July 1,[s]2018,[/s] 2022, whenever collecting demographic data as to the ancestry or ethnic origin of persons for a report that includes rates for major diseases, leading causes of death per demographic, subcategories for leading causes of death in California overall, pregnancy rates, or housing numbers.
[s] [s](4)The State Department of Health Care Services, on or after July 1, 2018, whenever collecting demographic data as to the ancestry or ethnic origin of persons.[/s] [s](删)[/s] [/s][s]
[s](5)The Trustees of the California State University or the Regents of the University of California, on or after July 1, 2017, whenever the entity collects demographic data as to the ancestry or ethnic origin of students for a report that includes student admission, enrollment, completion, or graduation rates.[/s] [s](删)[/s] [/s][s]
[s](6)The Board of Governors of the California Community Colleges, on or after July 1, 2020, whenever the entity collects demographic data as to the ancestry or ethnic origin of students for a report that includes student enrollment, completion, or graduation rates.[/s] [s](删)[/s] [/s](b) In addition to the duties imposed under Section 8310.5, the state agencies described in subdivision (a), in the course of collecting demographic data directly or by contract as to the ancestry or ethnic origin of California residents, shall collect and tabulate data for the following:
(1) Additional major Asian groups, including, but not limited to, Bangladeshi, Hmong, Indonesian, Malaysian, Pakistani, Sri Lankan, Taiwanese, and Thai.
(2) Additional major Native Hawaiian and other Pacific Islander groups, including, but not limited to, Fijian and Tongan.
(c) (1) The state agencies identified in subdivision (a) shall make any data collected pursuant to subdivision (b) publicly available,[s]except as described in paragraph (2) for the entities identified in paragraph (5) or (6) of subdivision (a), and[/s] except as described in paragraph[s] (3) for departments identified in paragraphs (3) and (4)[/s][s] [s](删)[/s] [/s](2) for the department identified in paragraph (3) of subdivision (a), and except for personal identifying information, which shall be deemed confidential, by posting the data on the Internet Web site of the agency on or before July 1, 2012, and annually thereafter. This subdivision shall not be construed to prevent any other state agency from posting data collected pursuant to subdivision (b) on the agency’s Internet Web site, in the manner prescribed by this section.
[s] [s](2)Where applicable, each entity identified in paragraph (5) or (6) of subdivision (a) shall comply with the federal Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (20 U.S.C. Sec. 1232g) and shall observe federal criteria for ensuring statistical significance of data collected and published.[/s] [s](删)[/s] [/s][s]
[s](3)[/s]
[/s](2) The state[s] departments
[/s][s] [s](删)[/s] [/s] department identified in[s] paragraphs
[/s][s] [s](删)[/s] [/s] paragraph (3)[s] and (4)[/s] of subdivision (a) shall not report demographic data that would permit identification of individuals.[s] These departments[/s] The department may, to prevent identification of individuals, aggregate data categories at a state, county, city, census tract, or ZIP Code level to facilitate comparisons and identify disparities.
(d) [s](1)Except as provided in paragraph (2) for the Board of Governors of the California Community Colleges, the
[/s][s] [s](删)[/s] [/s]The state agencies identified in subdivision (a) shall, within 18 months after a decennial United States Census is released to the public, update their data collection to reflect the additional Asian groups and additional Native Hawaiian and Pacific Islander groups as they are reported by the United States Census Bureau.
[s] [s](2)Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the Board of Governors of the California Community Colleges until 18 months after the 2030 decennial United States Census is released to the public.[/s] [s](删)[/s] [/s](e) The state[s] departments[/s] department identified in[s] paragraphs[/s] paragraph (3)[s] and (4)[/s] of subdivision (a) shall not report demographic data that would result in statistical unreliability.
(f) The state department identified in paragraph (3) of subdivision (a)[s] may, but is not required to, collect demographic data pursuant to this section[/s] may continue to collect and report demographic data in the form that the data was submitted if the data was collected under either of the following circumstances:
(1) Pursuant to federal programs or surveys, whereby the guidelines for demographic data collection categories are defined by the federal program or survey.
(2) Demographic data collected by other entities, including either of the following:
(A) State offices, departments, and agencies not included in subdivision (a).
(B) Third-party entity administered surveys not solely funded by the state department.
[s] [s](g)This section shall not apply to demographic data of graduate or professional schools of the University of California.[/s] [s](删)[/s] [/s][s]
[s](h)This section shall apply to the University of California only if the Regents of the University of California, by resolution, make it applicable.[/s] [/s][s] [s](删)[/s] [/s]

[s]
SEC. 2. [s]If the Commission on State Mandates determines that this act contains costs mandated by the State, reimbursement to local agencies and school districts for those costs shall be made pursuant to Part 7 (commencing with Section 17500) of Division 4 of Title 2 of the Government Code.[/s] [s](删)[/s] [/s]
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AngelBeibei
82 楼
我附一下8/19日改动后的原文:Introduced by Assembly Member Bonta
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catgoose 发表于 8/22/2016 1:47:52 AM
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June23
84 楼
不觉得OK,只要是细分,不管什么领域,要细分,黑人,白人,亚洲人一起细分。凭什么只分亚裔?如果这个新的法案通过了,感觉象温水煮青蛙,到时候把数据调出来用到其他地方去,收集的时间都省了。所以从根本上就不能让他们收集这些数据。
ouvter 发表于 8/21/2016 12:44:16 AM
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日居月渚
85 楼

可以去看看fda发布的所有药品label,很少有什么药物在哪个亚洲的一个人群和另外一个人群里使用方式不一样的,因为做临床试验的时候很少有可能收集到足够的样本来证明这个级别的人口差异。能收到亚洲人和非亚洲人的差异就不错了。这种情况下收集病人是中国人还是印度人没有意义,因为从治疗方法来讲没有差别。

你说很多疾病在某个群体里高发,主要是因为环境不同导致发病率不同。离开了那个环境,特别是对二代来......
AngelBeibei 发表于 8/20/2016 11:30:00 PM

说的好清楚!
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zylune
86 楼
谢谢楼主的update,在美国真的是会哭的孩子有奶喝,大家不要以为自己的声音不会被听到,一定要敢于站出来说话!
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AngelBeibei
87 楼

今年重要的是选党派 不能再上自由派大法官
今年重要的是选党派 不能再上自由派大法官
今年重要的是选党派 不能再上自由派大法官

重要的事情说三遍。
AngelBeibei 发表于 8/21/2016 1:50:13 PM
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