【奥巴去广岛,称美国不能“repeat the evil”,为反法西斯的胜利道歉?】大选聊天帖

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PositiveVibe
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其实不在摇摆州的话,在家睡觉也没啥。。。美国的选举制度其实挺不激发人的积极性的,就那么几个州相关,其他都是陪跑。

  luckyso 发表于 10/22/2015 4:06:41 PM
就是,好像弄得就那几个州有发言权,其他人爱谁谁
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PositiveVibe
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/22/carson-super-pacs-unite-to-supercharge-2016-bid/

Trump应该好好利用一下这条消息,super PACs支持Carson,好显示一下自己不被财团控制,显示一下跟Carson的区别
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luckyso
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/21/surge-illegal-children-families-accelerates/
Surge of illegal children, families accelerates
Agents caught 4,476 children traveling without parents on the border last month and 5,273 parents and children traveling as families — both of those nearly twice the level of September 2014, suggesting that smugglers have once again stepped up their efforts to entice Central Americans to make the crossing.

抓住了也不管,给个hearing date就放进美国来:

Central American families and children caught at the border are given papers setting court dates but are then released into the U.S. The government calls those documents “notices to appear,” but the illegal immigrants regularly refer to them as “permisos,” or free passes, because they give tentative permission to be in the country while they await their court appearances.

“In Border Patrol circles, that paperwork is now known as the ‘notice to disappear’ — 80 percent, 90 percent of those folks will not show up for that hearing,” Mr. Cabrera testified.

美国真是加速向拉美第三世界国家冲过去了,人口结构一但彻底变化,就再也回不来了。奥巴马真的这么恨美国吗?他这是在干什么呢?为了民主党万代基业不顾国家前途?
唐伯虎点蚊香
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哪些是摇摆州?

其实不在摇摆州的话,在家睡觉也没啥。。。美国的选举制度其实挺不激发人的积极性的,就那么几个州相关,其他都是陪跑。luckyso 发表于 2015-10-22 22:07 PM
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PositiveVibe
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审问了希老太一天关于Benghazi,居然啥新鲜的都没问出来
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BlueNDGold
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哪些是摇摆州?


  唐伯虎点蚊香 发表于 10/22/2015 10:00:00 PM
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PositiveVibe
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艾玛,那个ebola时期被强行隔离的护士诉讼Chris Christie,说行为自由遭受限制,要250,000美元赔偿,真TMD自私加贪心
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PositiveVibe
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五级飓风要着陆墨西哥了,Trump以后建的墙一定要够结实
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BlueNDGold
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艾玛,那个ebola时期被强行隔离的护士诉讼Chris Christie,说行为自由遭受限制,要250,000美元赔偿,真TMD自私加贪心
  PositiveVibe 发表于 10/22/2015 11:17:24 PM
这种无聊的官司根本不可能赢的。不用理。
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PositiveVibe
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闹了半天black lives matter, dead cop,结果杀了个black cop。。。
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PositiveVibe
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又是Rand Paul,又是Paul Ryan的,就不能起点新鲜点的不重样的名字么,晕
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PositiveVibe
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这种无聊的官司根本不可能赢的。不用理。
  
   BlueNDGold 发表于 10/22/2015 11:28:05 PM Chris Christie放话了,说告它的状子多了,让丫排队去,哈哈哈
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luckyso
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闹了半天black lives matter, dead cop,结果杀了个black cop。。。
  PositiveVibe 发表于 10/22/2015 11:43:21 PM
那些BLM能不能消停会啊,四处冲击会场,变相宣扬对violence against police, 好多police都不敢干活了,原来可疑的可能就上去问一问,现在干脆睁一眼闭一眼,一点动力都没有了。各大城市犯罪率增加,他们自己都承认了police不敢干活是重要原因,可是还是没人敢碰BLM。
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luckyso
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   PositiveVibe 发表于 10/22/2015 11:51:11 PM

我对这个胖子印象最近还可以,比他几年前懂事多了,何必当初啊,要不他现在应该是establishment新宠。
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BlueNDGold
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又是Rand Paul,又是Paul Ryan的,就不能起点新鲜点的不重样的名字么,晕
  PositiveVibe 发表于 10/22/2015 11:46:25 PM
这也在意?是不是因为你爹妈给你起了个很有特别性的名字?
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PositiveVibe
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那些BLM能不能消停会啊,四处冲击会场,变相宣扬对violence against police, 好多police都不敢干活了,原来可疑的可能就上去问一问,现在干脆睁一眼闭一眼,一点动力都没有了。各大城市犯罪率增加,他们自己都承认了police不敢干活是重要原因,可是还是没人敢碰BLM。

  luckyso 发表于 10/22/2015 11:51:21 PM 有个黑女说,警察不敢干活,就等于不守本职工作,不要赖BLM
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luckyso
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  PositiveVibe 发表于 10/22/2015 11:53:38 PM
真是站着说话不腰疼啊,那就把所有警察都fire吧,谁让他们不做本职工作,BLM终于达成目标了。
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BlueNDGold
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那些BLM能不能消停会啊,四处冲击会场,变相宣扬对violence against police, 好多police都不敢干活了,原来可疑的可能就上去问一问,现在干脆睁一眼闭一眼,一点动力都没有了。各大城市犯罪率增加,他们自己都承认了police不敢干活是重要原因,可是还是没人敢碰BLM。

  luckyso 发表于 10/22/2015 11:51:21 PM
能以这么好的理由偷懒,当然是何乐而不为了。
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luckyso
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能以这么好的理由偷懒,当然是何乐而不为了。
  
  BlueNDGold 发表于 10/22/2015 11:56:52 PM
victim blaming? 你支持BLM?
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BlueNDGold
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真是站着说话不腰疼啊,那就把所有警察都fire吧,谁让他们不做本职工作,BLM终于达成目标了。

  luckyso 发表于 10/22/2015 11:56:11 PM
警察里面混蛋多的是。要是能就这么开他/她们就好了。可是有union,不是想开就能开的。
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BlueNDGold
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victim blaming? 你支持BLM?
  
   luckyso 发表于 10/22/2015 11:58:16 PM

BLM里面很多小混混。利用BLM来扇风点火。但是BLM也的确highlight了很多警察无法无天的事实。

某些方面上BLM值得支持,某些方面上BLM做过头了。
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luckyso
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警察里面混蛋多的是。要是能就这么开他/她们就好了。可是有union,不是想开就能开的。
  BlueNDGold 发表于 10/22/2015 11:59:14 PM
警察里面的混蛋比例是多少?有依据吗?哪个类别里都有坏人,那就可以随便找其中一个进行报复了吗?警察不干活,最终倒霉的是良民。
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BlueNDGold
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警察里面的混蛋比例是多少?有依据吗?哪个类别里都有坏人,那就可以随便找其中一个进行报复了吗?警察不干活,最终倒霉的是良民。

  luckyso 发表于 10/23/2015 12:04:15 AM
http://www.vox.com/2015/5/28/8661977/race-police-officer

On any given day, in any police department in the nation, 15 percent of officers will do the right thing no matter what is happening. Fifteen percent of officers will abuse their authority at every opportunity. The remaining 70 percent could go either way depending on whom they are working with.

That's a theory from my friend K.L. Williams, who has trained thousands of officers around the country in use of force.

至于15%到底有多准却其实不重要。重要的是肯定有不少警察根本不配穿警衣。
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BlueNDGold
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警察里面的混蛋比例是多少?有依据吗?哪个类别里都有坏人,那就可以随便找其中一个进行报复了吗?警察不干活,最终倒霉的是良民。

  luckyso 发表于 10/23/2015 12:04:15 AM

有多少警察说不干活了?
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luckyso
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http://www.vox.com/2015/5/28/8661977/race-police-officer
  
  On any given day, in any police department in the nation, 15 percent of officers will do the right thing no matter what is happening. Fifteen percent of officers will abuse their authority at every opportunity. The remaining 70 percent could go either way depending on whom they are working with.
  
  That's a theory from my friend K.L. Williams, who has trained thousands of officers around the country in use of force.
  
  至于15%到底有多准却其实不重要。重要的是肯定有不少警察根本不配穿警衣。

  BlueNDGold 发表于 10/23/2015 12:13:55 AM
这数字可是非常重要,概率matters,特别是15%可是个不小的数字。可惜你引用的这个vox是个liberal网站,这是15%还是"my friend"说的,没有可信度。BLM闹到这个程度,我觉得至少10%的概率才能justify, 可是他们拼命找,才找到这么几个,还有好几个受害人根本不是好鸟,媒体拼命放大。可见警察不当暴力是存在,但是很小的比例,BLM闹的过了。
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luckyso
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Some BLM supporters are cheering the news of the murder Tuesday night of New York City Police Officer Randolph Holder, a five year veteran and immigrant from Guyana who was killed in the line of duty, according to a report by former NYPD officer John Cardillo posted to Twitter.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/10/22/speaking-police-obama-defends-black-lives-matter-movement/74368552/
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luckyso
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/22/obama-defends-black-lives-matter-movement/
  
  艾玛,O8又跳出来支持BLM了
  PositiveVibe 发表于 10/23/2015 12:29:22 AM
But the president said people should also "understand the overwhelming majority of law enforcement's doing the right thing and wants to do the right thing" and "recognize that police officers have a really tough job and we're sending them into really tough neighborhoods that sometimes are really dangerous and they've got to make split-second decisions."

He said people shouldn't be "too sanctimonious" about situations that can sometimes be ambiguous.

"But having said all that, we as a society, particularly given our history, have to take this seriously," Obama said. "And one of the ways of avoiding the politics of this and losing the moment is everybody just stepping back for a second and understanding that the African-American community is not just making this up."
美国欠黑人的,在O8的眼睛里是永远还不完的,是怎么折腾都合理的。
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PositiveVibe
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Lincoln Chafee也退选了,继Jim Webb之后,民主党真没人了
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luckyso
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Lincoln Chafee也退选了,继Jim Webb之后,民主党真没人了
   PositiveVibe 发表于 10/23/2015 10:14:10 AM

The Jeb Bush campaign is cutting back 45% of its budget, removing some senior staff from the payroll and canceling some fundraisers http://bloom.bg/1jYJVbK
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luckyso
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luckyso
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Carson不太好搞啊,特别是evangelical占43%的Iowa, 也不知道他们知不知道是选总统,不是选chief white house bible reader
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urthur
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Carson不太好搞啊,特别是evangelical占43%的Iowa, 也不知道他们知不知道是选总统,不是选chief white house bible reader
   luckyso 发表于 10/23/2015 11:35:40 AM

Well, you can't win a race by insulting everyone...Hope Trump learns his lesson.  In fact, the Iowan retweet blew up because his enemies helped to disseminate mean-spirit tweet almost as soon as it was published
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BlueNDGold
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Carson不太好搞啊,特别是evangelical占43%的Iowa, 也不知道他们知不知道是选总统,不是选chief white house bible reader
  luckyso 发表于 10/23/2015 11:35:40 AM
You should tweet that to Trump.  There is a 95% chance that he'll re-tweet it and then blame it on someone else.
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whyhere
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南无大愿地藏王菩萨!
保佑我们的守护老百姓安全的警察!
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luckyso
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  Well, you can't win a race by insulting everyone...Hope Trump learns his lesson.  In fact, the Iowan retweet blew up because his enemies helped to disseminate mean-spirit tweet almost as soon as it was published
  

  urthur 发表于 10/23/2015 1:32:05 PM
Trump这两天应该在搞下一阶段的部署,没怎么发原创tweet。我看他还是以后自己掌管twitter吧,少一点tweet也无所谓,别搞砸是关键,媒体天天都盯着找他的碴呢。

不过那个retweet其实有道理的,有些人天天想着上帝,殊不知大选时可不是念着上帝就能赢的,太虔诚的反而是负面。现在debate很关键,希望Trump能表现好,Carson debate也是弱项。还要小心Rubio。
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luckyso
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Trump的新招式:号召所有人refuse super PAC!
"I am self-funding my campaign and therefore I will not be controlled by the donors, special interests and lobbyists who have corrupted our politics and politicians for far too long," Donald J. Trump said in a statement. "I have disavowed all Super PAC's, requested the return of all donations made to said PAC's, and I am calling on all Presidential candidates to do the same."
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urthur
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Trump这两天应该在搞下一阶段的部署,没怎么发原创tweet。我看他还是以后自己掌管twitter吧,少一点tweet也无所谓,别搞砸是关键,媒体天天都盯着找他的碴呢。
  
  不过那个retweet其实有道理的,有些人天天想着上帝,殊不知大选时可不是念着上帝就能赢的,太虔诚的反而是负面。现在debate很关键,希望Trump能表现好,Carson debate也是弱项。还要小心Rubio。
  
   luckyso 发表于 10/23/2015 2:20:15 PM

选民并不是逻辑的动物。骂人不会帮trump加分。
  Iowa的数据也不全是因为evangelical,还有女性。
  
  若说为了经济,为了美国的未来,谁能logically predict呢?所以trump当下的表现才是别人评价他的根据
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luckyso
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  选民并不是逻辑的动物。骂人不会帮trump加分。
  Iowa的数据也不全是因为evangelical,还有女性。
  
  若说为了经济,为了美国的未来,谁能logically predict呢?
  

  urthur 发表于 10/23/2015 2:26:54 PM
女性和福音派也有重叠的,女性福音派绝对最喜欢Carson。我是觉得Carson不懂经济,主张太偏右,没有leadership经验,大选时民主党一拥而上,很难挺得住。女克不好搞,选民结构在那里摆着呢,GOP现在是绝望中寻找希望,弄不好白忙和一场。
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PositiveVibe
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Trump应该解释一下他的twitter account是如何运作的
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urthur
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女性和福音派也有重叠的,女性福音派绝对最喜欢Carson。我是觉得Carson不懂经济,主张太偏右,没有leadership经验,大选时民主党一拥而上,很难挺得住。女克不好搞,选民结构在那里摆着呢,GOP现在是绝望中寻找希望,弄不好白忙和一场。
  
   luckyso 发表于 10/23/2015 2:33:38 PM

不要小觑carson,个性和做事风格上,他应该跟ivanka trump有些像,两人这些年的财运都不错。
  若说经济,trump的反对者会指出他的生意破产过4次。
  总统竞选有时候不一定在看综合,而是谁的破绽越多谁越先出场。
我那时候真的好希望romney上台,但最后花落obama.
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PositiveVibe
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Trump这两天应该在搞下一阶段的部署,没怎么发原创tweet。我看他还是以后自己掌管twitter吧,少一点tweet也无所谓,别搞砸是关键,媒体天天都盯着找他的碴呢。

不过那个retweet其实有道理的,有些人天天想着上帝,殊不知大选时可不是念着上帝就能赢的,太虔诚的反而是负面。现在debate很关键,希望Trump能表现好,Carson debate也是弱项。还要小心Rubio。

  luckyso 发表于 10/23/2015 2:20:15 PM 可能正骂intern呢
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luckyso
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  PositiveVibe 发表于 10/23/2015 3:03:22 PM

Trump这两天应该是在整理campaign finance, 最新的statement:
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luckyso
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  不要小觑carson,个性和做事风格上,他应该跟ivanka trump有些像,两人这些年的财运都不错。
   若说经济,trump的反对者会指出他的生意破产过4次。
   总统竞选有时候不一定在看综合,而是谁的破绽越多谁越先出场。
  我那时候真的好希望romney上台,但最后花落obama.
  

  urthur 发表于 10/23/2015 3:00:05 PM
破产那个已经解释过好多次了, 已经过关了。经济我是指减税啊,trade啊,增加蓝领工作啊。共和党和民主党竞争,在现在的人口结构下,默认就是民主党赢,中规中矩的这次的结果还是一样。试想如果哪个GOP候选人像希拉里这样多次说谎被逮住,早就退选了,民主党的错误余量要宽容的多。现在Carson躲在Trump后面,Trump takes most heat, 到大选时他自己是顶不住的, Carson vs Hilary,胜算很低,如果胜算高的话我会转而支持他。
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urthur
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破产那个已经解释过好多次了, 已经过关了。经济我是指减税啊,trade啊,增加蓝领工作啊。共和党和民主党竞争,在现在的人口结构下,默认就是民主党赢,中规中矩的这次的结果还是一样。试想如果哪个GOP候选人像希拉里这样多次说谎被逮住,早就退选了,民主党的错误余量要宽容的多。现在Carson躲在Trump后面,Trump takes most heat, 到大选时他自己是顶不住的, Carson vs Hilary,胜算很低,如果胜算高的话我会转而支持他。
    
     luckyso 发表于 10/23/2015 5:10:57 PM

过关的结论只是针对trump的支持者。剩下的80%不支持trump的人不会这么轻易相信trump的说法,因为judge他的标准不一样,比如,世上成功的公司很多,但在短短20-30年破产4次的没那么普遍 (支持者当然也可以指出startup的成功率blahblah, 但这依然是个messy argument)
  
    trump的破绽太多了,但愿他不要再随随便便insult别人,美国人对他们的总统依然抱有某种程度的憧憬。他现在需要扩大票源而不是把其他人都得罪了
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luckyso
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初选大家最focus在那四个early states,其实super Tuesday才是胜负之关键:
• 3/1: Alabama Primary
• 3/1: Alaska Republican Caucuses
• 3/1: Colorado Democratic Caucuses
• 3/1: Arkansas Primary
• 3/1: Georgia Primary
• 3/1: Massachusetts Primary
• 3/1: Minnesota Caucuses
• 3/1: Oklahoma Primary
• 3/1: Tennessee Primary
• 3/1: Texas Primary
• 3/1: Vermont Primary
• 3/1: Virginia Primary
• 3/1: Wyoming Republican Caucuses

南方的省很多,Trump的优势就很明显,Carson的主要票仓是白女福音派。所以前四个early states只要拿下2个就差不多了。Iowa之前好像是santorum赢的,没什么大用,Iowa对moderate来说太难赢了。
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PositiveVibe
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  过关的结论只是针对trump的支持者。剩下的80%不支持trump的人不会这么轻易相信trump的说法,因为judge他的标准不一样,比如,世上成功的公司很多,但在短短20-30年破产4次的没那么普遍 (支持者当然也可以指出startup的成功率blahblah, 但这依然是个messy argument)
  
    trump的破绽太多了,但愿他不要再随随便便insult别人,美国人对他们的总统依然抱有某种程度的憧憬
  
  

  urthur 发表于 10/23/2015 5:17:30 PM

其实insult也没关系,不要throw others under the bus
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PositiveVibe
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  过关的结论只是针对trump的支持者。剩下的80%不支持trump的人不会这么轻易相信trump的说法,因为judge他的标准不一样,比如,世上成功的公司很多,但在短短20-30年破产4次的没那么普遍 (支持者当然也可以指出startup的成功率blahblah, 但这依然是个messy argument)
  
    trump的破绽太多了,但愿他不要再随随便便insult别人,美国人对他们的总统依然抱有某种程度的憧憬
  
  

  urthur 发表于 10/23/2015 5:17:30 PM
可我觉得,有句话说,如果什么事都没做,就不会有没做好的事,Carson没啥business经验,没错过,是因为没做过,所以没有这样的“破绽”
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PositiveVibe
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破产那个已经解释过好多次了, 已经过关了。经济我是指减税啊,trade啊,增加蓝领工作啊。共和党和民主党竞争,在现在的人口结构下,默认就是民主党赢,中规中矩的这次的结果还是一样。试想如果哪个GOP候选人像希拉里这样多次说谎被逮住,早就退选了,民主党的错误余量要宽容的多。现在Carson躲在Trump后面,Trump takes most heat, 到大选时他自己是顶不住的, Carson vs Hilary,胜算很低,如果胜算高的话我会转而支持他。
  
   luckyso 发表于 10/23/2015 5:10:57 PM

对于Carson这点我很反感,躲在别人后边狐假虎威。同觉得,Carson跟Hillary对垒 ,没胜算。
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urthur
2951 楼
可我觉得,有句话说,如果什么事都没做,就不会有没做好的事,Carson没啥business经验,没错过,是因为没做过,所以没有这样的“破绽”
  

  PositiveVibe 发表于 10/23/2015 5:24:54 PM

如果大家都这么条理清晰,布什和o8当初肯定不会被选上。
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PositiveVibe
2952 楼
Hillary自从昨天Banghazi的11小时的审问以后,据说donations大增
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urthur
2953 楼
初选大家最focus在那四个early states,其实super Tuesday才是胜负之关键:
   • 3/1: Alabama Primary
   • 3/1: Alaska Republican Caucuses
   • 3/1: Colorado Democratic Caucuses
   • 3/1: Arkansas Primary
   • 3/1: Georgia Primary
   • 3/1: Massachusetts Primary
   • 3/1: Minnesota Caucuses
   • 3/1: Oklahoma Primary
   • 3/1: Tennessee Primary
   • 3/1: Texas Primary
   • 3/1: Vermont Primary
   • 3/1: Virginia Primary
   • 3/1: Wyoming Republican Caucuses
  
   南方的省很多,Trump的优势就很明显,Carson的主要票仓是白女福音派。所以前四个early states只要拿下2个就差不多了。Iowa之前好像是santorum赢的,没什么大用,Iowa对moderate来说太难赢了。
    luckyso 发表于 10/23/2015 5:21:10 PM

现在离iowa caucus还有四个月,大家肯定八仙过海各显神通,top candidate其实会比较辛苦。但好处就是trump现在不论做什么都还有挽救的机会。
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PositiveVibe
2954 楼

  现在离iowa caucus还有两个月,大家肯定八仙过海各显神通,top candidate其实会比较辛苦。但好处就是trump现在不论做什么都还有挽救的机会。
  
  

  urthur 发表于 10/23/2015 5:29:52 PM

不知道他把那个young intern怎么着了,可能已经you're fired了
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luckyso
2955 楼

  过关的结论只是针对trump的支持者。剩下的80%不支持trump的人不会这么轻易相信trump的说法,因为judge他的标准不一样,比如,世上成功的公司很多,但在短短20-30年破产4次的没那么普遍 (支持者当然也可以指出startup的成功率blahblah, 但这依然是个messy argument)
  
    trump的破绽太多了,但愿他不要再随随便便insult别人,美国人对他们的总统依然抱有某种程度的憧憬
  
  

  urthur 发表于 10/23/2015 5:17:30 PM
关键是现状,人家现在又活过来了,赚得更多,come back story也很精彩的。这个真不是硬伤,否则他早就被打死了,GOP内斗一点也不逊于大选,比如HP女就是被自己的business record打死了。同意Trump现在要转变风格,由攻击变成防守,出言要更谨慎,先拿下辩论再说。
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PositiveVibe
2956 楼

  现在离iowa caucus还有两个月,大家肯定八仙过海各显神通,top candidate其实会比较辛苦。但好处就是trump现在不论做什么都还有挽救的机会。
  
  

  urthur 发表于 10/23/2015 5:29:52 PM
我觉得他可以看看那个young intern是不是其他candidates的卧底,故意捣乱的
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luckyso
2957 楼

  现在离iowa caucus还有两个月,大家肯定八仙过海各显神通,top candidate其实会比较辛苦。但好处就是trump现在不论做什么都还有挽救的机会。
  
  

  urthur 发表于 10/23/2015 5:29:52 PM
今天的statement就不错,突出了自己的独特优点。不露声色的暗示Carson说的再好听,你以为你投票选的是他,但其实也是背后金主而已。
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PositiveVibe
2958 楼
我下周一去志愿者培训,有什么好建议,我去转达
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luckyso
2959 楼
我觉得他可以看看那个young intern是不是其他candidates的卧底,故意捣乱的
  

  PositiveVibe 发表于 10/23/2015 5:33:07 PM
即使是卧底,也说明是领导无能,不会甄别。。。所以这事没好结果,还是不要追究了,以后自己的tweet只是自己管理,别再出麻烦就行了,而且减少数量,转换风格。
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PositiveVibe
2960 楼
即使是卧底,也说明是领导无能,不会甄别。。。所以这事没好结果,还是不要追究了,以后自己的tweet只是自己管理,别再出麻烦就行了,而且减少数量,转换风格。

  luckyso 发表于 10/23/2015 5:37:50 PM
说得有道理,减少注意力,一会儿大家就忘了,今天听媒体,也没怎么提
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PositiveVibe
2961 楼
今天Trump晚7点在Miami, FL集会
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luckyso
2962 楼
我下周一去志愿者培训,有什么好建议,我去转达
     PositiveVibe 发表于 10/23/2015 5:37:46 PM

大赞!我随便说说:
   1. 好好准备下周的辩论,多讲substance,对每个话题提前想好有理有据的talking points
2. 竞选风格: 减少attack, 突出自己优点,间接暗示攻击别人最好
3. 社交媒体的发言要更谨慎,宁可不说也不要留把柄
  
   现在的Iowa给Trump敲响警钟挺好的。
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luckyso
2963 楼
说得有道理,减少注意力,一会儿大家就忘了,今天听媒体,也没怎么提
  
  
   PositiveVibe 发表于 10/23/2015 5:38:30 PM

因为毕竟是个没有任何评论的retweet,不小心弄错了是可信的,而且Trump这两天显然是在忙别的,都没上任何媒体。尽管是个负面新闻,但是破坏力有限。放的太大会backfire,反而会帮Trump。
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PositiveVibe
2964 楼
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/10/23/alarm-bell-texas-clock-boy-may-not-enjoy-time-in-qatar/

闹钟心机娃在卡塔尔未必有好日子,穆斯林教规森严。。。
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PositiveVibe
2965 楼

  因为毕竟是个没有任何评论的retweet,不小心弄错了是可信的,而且Trump这两天显然是在忙别的,都没上任何媒体。尽管是个负面新闻,但是破坏力有限。放的太大会backfire,反而会帮Trump。
  

  luckyso 发表于 10/23/2015 5:49:58 PM
不会昨天一天都听Benghazi去了吧
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PositiveVibe
2966 楼

  大赞!我随便说说:
    1. 好好准备下周的辩论,多讲substance,对每个话题提前想好有理有据的talking points
  2. 竞选风格: 减少attack, 突出自己优点,间接暗示攻击别人最好
  3. 社交媒体的发言要更谨慎,宁可不说也不要留把柄
    
    现在的Iowa给Trump敲响警钟挺好的。
    
    
    
    
  
  
  luckyso 发表于 10/23/2015 5:43:53 PM
不错!赞!
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luckyso
2967 楼
不会昨天一天都听Benghazi去了吧
  
  
   PositiveVibe 发表于 10/23/2015 5:57:11 PM

没有,他说只听了几分钟。他最近应该是在折腾campaign finance,从他的声明来推测。
从现在到Iowa, round two正式开始了!
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PositiveVibe
2968 楼

  没有,他说只听了几分钟。他最近应该是在折腾campaign finance,从他的声明来推测。
  从现在到Iowa, round two正式开始了!


  luckyso 发表于 10/23/2015 6:00:04 PM

我觉得他在round one的过程中已经“成熟”多了,更具有presidential的样子了,我还是希望他能赢
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luckyso
2969 楼

  我觉得他在round one的过程中已经“成熟”多了,更具有presidential的样子了,我还是希望他能赢

  PositiveVibe 发表于 10/23/2015 6:04:00 PM
同希望,他如果真像我们想象的是个厉害聪明的角色,会采用正确的strategy的,否则就证明我们开始的观点是错的,也没有太多遗憾。
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BlueNDGold
2970 楼

  不知道他把那个young intern怎么着了,可能已经you're fired了

  PositiveVibe 发表于 10/23/2015 5:32:21 PM
You really believe Trump gave an intern control of his Twitter account?

Seriously?
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BlueNDGold
2971 楼
我觉得他可以看看那个young intern是不是其他candidates的卧底,故意捣乱的
  

  PositiveVibe 发表于 10/23/2015 5:33:07 PM
If nothing else, Trump is good at reading people.  If you think a young intern that was planted in Trump's campaign, and was able to gain access to his Twitter account, then you have greatly underestimatied Trump.
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PositiveVibe
2972 楼
同希望,他如果真像我们想象的是个厉害聪明的角色,会采用正确的strategy的,否则就证明我们开始的观点是错的,也没有太多遗憾。

  luckyso 发表于 10/23/2015 6:09:08 PM
怎么听着跟找男朋友的规则差不多啊,哈哈哈
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PositiveVibe
2973 楼
You really believe Trump gave an intern control of his Twitter account?
  
  Seriously?

  BlueNDGold 发表于 10/23/2015 6:41:16 PM
为什么没可能?希拉里站在台上Debate的同时,她的twitter账户都有发tweet,而且还不是retweet,证明她的账户不只她一个人控制
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PositiveVibe
2974 楼
OAN马上要直播Trump在Miami, FL的演讲啦,我想听听他对Hillary对于Benghazi的testimony是啥意见
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BlueNDGold
2975 楼
为什么没可能?希拉里站在台上Debate的同时,她的twitter账户都有发tweet,而且还不是retweet,证明她的账户不只她一个人控制
  
   PositiveVibe 发表于 10/23/2015 6:54:57 PM

Because no one give interns that much power.
  
  The official Twitter account for any candidate is an important communication tool for that candidate's campaign.  Only the candidate, his/her communications director and/or other senior people within the communication team would have access to it.

It's laughable to think an intern would have the authority to retweet things from any candidate's Twitter feed.
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PositiveVibe
2976 楼

  Because no one give interns that much power.
  
   The official Twitter account for any candidate is an important communication tool for that candidate's campaign.  Only the candidate, his/her communications director and/or other senior people within the communication team would have access to it.
  
  It's laughable to think an intern would have the authority to retweet things from any candidate's Twitter feed.
  

  BlueNDGold 发表于 10/23/2015 7:02:58 PM
prove it
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PositiveVibe
2977 楼

   Because no one give interns that much power.
    
    The official Twitter account for any candidate is an important communication tool for that candidate's campaign.  Only the candidate, his/her communications director and/or other senior people within the communication team would have access to it.
  
   It's laughable to think an intern would have the authority to retweet things from any candidate's Twitter feed.
  
  
   BlueNDGold 发表于 10/23/2015 7:02:58 PM

而且你这么说就已经间接承认不止只有candidate有access
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BlueNDGold
2978 楼
我下周一去志愿者培训,有什么好建议,我去转达
  PositiveVibe 发表于 10/23/2015 5:37:46 PM
Be prepared to stuff a lot of envelopes.  If you're good, they'll put you on the phones.
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BlueNDGold
2979 楼

  而且你这么说就已经间接承认不止只有candidate有access

  PositiveVibe 发表于 10/23/2015 7:05:31 PM
Of course other people within the candidate's team help manage the candidate's social media accounts.  But no one would give that responsibility to an intern.
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PositiveVibe
2980 楼
Of course other people within the candidate's team help manage the candidate's social media accounts.  But no one would give that responsibility to an intern.
  

  BlueNDGold 发表于 10/23/2015 7:07:56 PM
我已经说了,prove it
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Dohremi
2981 楼
很可惜,虽然昨天证明了希拉里说谎,但是明珠党的人还是会投给希拉里。没办法,圣母和左派能为她想出无数借口。
我看了WSJ报道下的comments,明珠党的脑残不在少数。
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BlueNDGold
2982 楼
我已经说了,prove it
  
   PositiveVibe 发表于 10/23/2015 7:10:54 PM


  A person identifying himself as a Fordham University student who works at the New York campaign headquarters told International Business Times via email Friday that interns do not have access to Trump's account. "As an intern for the internal headquarter campaign, we do not manage or in that case have any access to Mr. Trump's personal Twitter," said Garrison Groeschke, whose personal site and LinkedIn list him as a 2016 intern. "From my understanding and what I've been informed of by my superiors is that Mr. Trump's tweets and Twitter responses are done by him personally. All email accounts, however, associated and endorsed by the Donald J. Trump for President Campaign are managed by interns and other associates within the organization."

  http://www.ibtimes.com/donald-trump-offensive-iowa-tweet-update-campaign-intern-denies-having-access-twitter-2153846
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luckyso
2983 楼
很可惜,虽然昨天证明了希拉里说谎,但是明珠党的人还是会投给希拉里。没办法,圣母和左派能为她想出无数借口。
我看了WSJ报道下的comments,明珠党的脑残不在少数。
  Dohremi 发表于 10/23/2015 7:11:58 PM
看中间选民吧。Trump如果出线的话还能搞到点蓝领的票,这些都是工会传统民主党的。老黑那里也能挣来一些。Carson/Rubio出线的话扩大选民的面就更困难了。
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luckyso
2984 楼

  
   A person identifying himself as a Fordham University student who works at the New York campaign headquarters told International Business Times via email Friday that interns do not have access to Trump's account. "As an intern for the internal headquarter campaign, we do not manage or in that case have any access to Mr. Trump's personal Twitter," said Garrison Groeschke, whose personal site and LinkedIn list him as a 2016 intern. "From my understanding and what I've been informed of by my superiors is that Mr. Trump's tweets and Twitter responses are done by him personally. All email accounts, however, associated and endorsed by the Donald J. Trump for President Campaign are managed by interns and other associates within the organization."
  
   http://www.ibtimes.com/donald-trump-offensive-iowa-tweet-update-campaign-intern-denies-having-access-twitter-2153846
  
  
  
  
  BlueNDGold 发表于 10/23/2015 7:19:21 PM
一个intern就能知道全局信息?Trump campaign里面还不知有多少intern呢。况且他说的我highlight的部分也就是“就他所知"罢了。这个intern发这个声明明显就是个卧底,真正支持Trump的intern会出来说这个吗?
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BlueNDGold
2985 楼
一个intern就能知道全局信息?Trump campaign里面还不知有多少intern呢。况且他说的我highlight的部分也就是“就他所知"罢了。这个intern发这个声明明显就是个卧底,真正支持Trump的intern会出来说这个吗?

  luckyso 发表于 10/23/2015 7:26:11 PM
If you really think some mysterious intern that does not work at the campaign headquarters was given access to Trump's Twitter account, then you are more naive than I thought.
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luckyso
2986 楼
If you really think some mysterious intern that does not work at the campaign headquarters was given access to Trump's Twitter account, then you are more naive than I thought.
  

  BlueNDGold 发表于 10/23/2015 7:32:51 PM
Point being it's really hard to prove otherwise, so media has nothing to run with the story. THE END.
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BlueNDGold
2987 楼
Point being it's really hard to prove otherwise, so media has nothing to run with the story. THE END.
  
   luckyso 发表于 10/23/2015 7:35:05 PM

When I first read Trump's excuse, I thought it was insulting that he would come up with a BS excuse and try to use an unnamed intern as a scapegoat.  The fact that some people actually choose to believe that half cocked excuse is simply amazing.
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urthur
2988 楼

     When I first read Trump's excuse, I thought it was insulting that he would come up with a BS excuse and try to use an unnamed intern as a scapegoat.  The fact that some people actually choose to believe that half cocked excuse is simply amazing.
      
    
     BlueNDGold 发表于 10/23/2015 7:41:20 PM

It is equally insulting that Hillary said she set up a personal email acct so that she can manage from a single device, when, in fact, she lugs around a iPhone, iPad, and iPadMini.  
  The practice of using personal email for work matters is a major IT breach in most big companies (and in Hillary's case, possibly ethical breach as well).
  
  But no reason to attack other people over any of this, okay?
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PositiveVibe
2989 楼

    
     A person identifying himself as a Fordham University student who works at the New York campaign headquarters told International Business Times via email Friday that interns do not have access to Trump's account. "As an intern for the internal headquarter campaign, we do not manage or in that case have any access to Mr. Trump's personal Twitter," said Garrison Groeschke, whose personal site and LinkedIn list him as a 2016 intern. "From my understanding and what I've been informed of by my superiors is that Mr. Trump's tweets and Twitter responses are done by him personally. All email accounts, however, associated and endorsed by the Donald J. Trump for President Campaign are managed by interns and other associates within the organization."
    
     http://www.ibtimes.com/donald-trump-offensive-iowa-tweet-update-campaign-intern-denies-having-access-twitter-2153846
    
    
    
    
    BlueNDGold 发表于 10/23/2015 7:19:21 PM

我去那个人的linkedin看了。今年10月份才开始当的intern,现在10月才23号,就算它10月1号开始当的intern,它一共当了几天的intern啊,它知道什么????而且还把自己全名公布给媒体?它没当几天差,它的忠诚度完全没有考证。我看它如果不是其他candidate的卧底,就是想利用机会求给自己出名的。
   Garrison Groeschke
  Student at Fordham University
  Bronx, New YorkInternational Trade and Development
  
  Campaign Headquarters InternDonald J Trump for President Inc.October 2015 – Present (1 month)Trump Tower 725 5th Avenue New York, NY
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luckyso
2990 楼

  When I first read Trump's excuse, I thought it was insulting that he would come up with a BS excuse and try to use an unnamed intern as a scapegoat.  The fact that some people actually choose to believe that half cocked excuse is simply amazing.
  
  
  BlueNDGold 发表于 10/23/2015 7:41:20 PM
Intern or not, it doesn't matter. The whole thing is not a big deal, that's why even media who hated Trump most reluctant to dig further coz it will backfire on them.

The only intern mattered is called "Monica".
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luckyso
2991 楼

  我去那个人的linkedin看了。今年10月份才开始当的intern,现在10月才23号,就算它10月1号开始当的intern,它一共当了几天的intern啊,它知道什么????而且还把自己全名公布给媒体?它没当几天差,它的忠诚度完全没有考证。我看它如果不是其他candidate的卧底,就是想利用机会求给自己出名的。
    Garrison Groeschke
   Student at Fordham University
   Bronx, New YorkInternational Trade and Development
  
   Campaign Headquarters InternDonald J Trump for President Inc.October 2015 – Present (1 month)Trump Tower 725 5th Avenue New York, NY



  PositiveVibe 发表于 10/23/2015 7:44:10 PM
这人绝对有问题,找个借口要把他开了,最好和几个其他intern一起,省得媒体找麻烦。
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BlueNDGold
2992 楼
Intern or not, it doesn't matter. The whole thing is not a big deal, that's why even media who hated Trump most reluctant to dig further coz it will backfire on them.
  
The only intern mattered is called "Monica".


  luckyso 发表于 10/23/2015 7:44:52 PM
Just like how the Benghazi investigation has backfired on the Republicans?
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BlueNDGold
2993 楼

  我去那个人的linkedin看了。今年10月份才开始当的intern,现在10月才23号,就算它10月1号开始当的intern,它一共当了几天的intern啊,它知道什么????而且还把自己全名公布给媒体?它没当几天差,它的忠诚度完全没有考证。我看它如果不是其他candidate的卧底,就是想利用机会求给自己出名的。
  
  PositiveVibe 发表于 10/23/2015 7:44:10 PM
When interns join an organization, they all go through an orientation period. During which they are taught the organization's policies and their specific job responsibilities.  Internships at political campaigns are no different.

While young Garrison here wasn't with the campaign long, he has been there long enough to learn the campaign's protocols regarding communications, which is what was reported by I.B. Times.
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luckyso
2994 楼
Just like how the Benghazi investigation has backfired on the Republicans?
  

  BlueNDGold 发表于 10/23/2015 7:56:27 PM
These two things are not comparable at all. Though republicans didn't handle that one well enough, they once again proved Hilary lied. They could've done better without big mouth from Mccarthy.
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luckyso
2995 楼
When interns join an organization, they all go through an orientation period. During which they are taught the organization's policies and their specific job responsibilities.  Internships at political campaigns are no different.
  
   While young Garrison here wasn't with the campaign long, he has been there long enough to learn the campaign's protocols regarding communications, which is what was reported by I.B. Times.
  
  
   BlueNDGold 发表于 10/23/2015 8:05:11 PM

What you said are all speculations. Not every organization goes through the same process.  It just can't be proved.  My advice: Don't fixate on it as we have all moved on.
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Dohremi
2996 楼
看中间选民吧。Trump如果出线的话还能搞到点蓝领的票,这些都是工会传统民主党的。老黑那里也能挣来一些。Carson/Rubio出线的话扩大选民的面就更困难了。

  luckyso 发表于 10/23/2015 7:21:53 PM
Carson和Rubio能搞点黑人和拉丁裔票吧。希拉里在黑人和拉丁裔那里现在得票率很高啊,根本不需要很多白男就能赢了。
Trump拉丁裔没戏啊。
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luckyso
2997 楼
Carson和Rubio能搞点黑人和拉丁裔票吧。希拉里在黑人和拉丁裔那里现在得票率很高啊,根本不需要很多白男就能赢了。
Trump拉丁裔没戏啊。

  Dohremi 发表于 10/23/2015 8:26:32 PM
Trump拉丁裔未必没戏,拉丁裔合法来的很多其实不希望非法来插队,而Trump能给他们创造就业机会。黑人希望自食其力做些蓝领工作的会支持Trump,不会支持Carson,领福利的那些就别想了。Rubio也许能有拉丁裔票,但不会太多,现在他在非移上改了立场,但如果Rubio对非移软下来,GOP内部一些人不会出来投他。总之很难。
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luckyso
2998 楼
如果共和党把Trump折腾下去,或者Trump自己犯错下去了,大家就可以洗洗睡了,总统基本上就是希拉里的了。GOP has nobody but themselves to blame.
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luckyso
2999 楼
看看CNN最怕谁就知道了,全力污蔑Trump, 这能叫"slam"?
@realDonaldTrump slams @RealBenCarson amid dipping poll numbers in Iowa http://cnn.it/1NYNHza  @CNNSotu
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peacelily921
3000 楼
我感觉川普已经没戏了,各种迹象表明希拉里会赢这次选举。。。。。。。。。。。