【奥巴去广岛,称美国不能“repeat the evil”,为反法西斯的胜利道歉?】大选聊天帖

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PositiveVibe
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妈呀,Kanye West说2020要run president,说它有5年时间做准备
不会都是因为Trump在tonight show里提了句选Kanye West做VP,它就认真了吧,但Trump马上说是开玩笑的
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BlueNDGold
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Mccain当年还不知道O8的行动而已。换作我也会在08年时defend O8,但现在不会。他anti-Christian, sympathizing msl是大家都看到的事实,行动胜于雄辩。
  luckyso 发表于 9/24/2015 5:59:13 PM
教皇也同情穆斯林教的难民。这么说教皇也是anti-Christian?

送你一句教皇今天说的话,希望你能理解:

But there is another temptation which we must especially guard against: the simplistic reductionism which sees only good or evil; or, if you will, the righteous and sinners.
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BlueNDGold
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就是说你不介意有人说要把你的balls给cut off了? If you have any
  
   PositiveVibe 发表于 9/24/2015 5:55:06 PM

Rich Lowry 听都没听说过这人, 怎么就代表Fox了? Megyn Kelly 不是也马上说:"What did you say?" "You can't say that."
  
  而且Trump自己也说了不少恶心话,怎么别人说他的时候就不行了?
  
其实这是个很好的例子,不应该跟Trump吵架。太容易就跟他一个等级了。
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luckyso
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教皇也同情穆斯林教的难民。这么说教皇也是anti-Christian?
  
   送你一句教皇今天说的话,希望你能理解:
  
   But there is another temptation which we must especially guard against: the simplistic reductionism which sees only good or evil; or, if you will, the righteous and sinners.
  
   BlueNDGold 发表于 9/24/2015 7:36:47 PM

O8 anti-Christian的证据一堆堆。Hackabee举了一些例子。http://www.inquisitr.com/2442898/mike-huckabee-muslim-or-not-obama-is-the-most-anti-christian-president-ever/
我从来没说教皇anti-Christian。找到一个共同点你就拿教皇和O8比,也是醉了。
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luckyso
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  Rich Lowry 听都没听说过这人, 怎么就代表Fox了? Megyn Kelly 不是也马上说:"What did you say?" "You can't say that."
  
   而且Trump自己也说了不少恶心话,怎么别人说他的时候就不行了?
  
  其实这是个很好的例子,不应该跟Trump吵架。太容易就跟他一个等级了。
  
  BlueNDGold 发表于 9/24/2015 7:42:01 PM
Kelly的表情你看到了吗?分明就是窃喜。这人是kelly的常客,天天trump bashing。这么粗俗的语言,今天fox自己放在首页上。fox是默许和支持的态度。这人没在和Trump吵架,他自己自顾自说的。victim blaming, yeah, more of that.
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luckyso
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你反对Trump可以,Trump有很多地方可以批评。但如果为了反对而为Rich Lowry这种low class的跳梁小丑辩解就适得其反了。

你自己应该读读你引用的Pope的那段话,和你之前说的“人要有一定的标准。不能因为对手的政治观念跟你不同就把自己的标准抛弃了。”
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BlueNDGold
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Kelly的表情你看到了吗?分明就是窃喜。这人是kelly的常客,天天trump bashing。这么粗俗的语言,今天fox自己放在首页上。fox是默许和支持的态度。这人没在和Trump吵架,他自己自顾自说的。victim blaming, yeah, more of that.


  luckyso 发表于 9/24/2015 7:50:24 PM
To be honest I think that reaction was purely shock and disbelief.  But you obviously have a different perspective.
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congqiancongqian
2308 楼
mark一下
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BlueNDGold
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你反对Trump可以,Trump有很多地方可以批评。但如果为了反对而为Rich Lowry这种low class的跳梁小丑辩解就适得其反了。

你自己应该读读你引用的Pope的那段话,和你之前说的“人要有一定的标准。不能因为对手的政治观念跟你不同就把自己的标准抛弃了。”
  luckyso 发表于 9/24/2015 7:54:29 PM
我又没赞同Lowry的行为。他说的话明显得过分。但是Trump自己说话过分的时候呢?
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luckyso
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To be honest I think that reaction was purely shock and disbelief.  But you obviously have a different perspective.
  

  BlueNDGold 发表于 9/24/2015 8:06:22 PM
A bit shock at the beginning, and then secretly delighted. The other day she was also smiling delightfully when someone started to trash Trump. The bias is all over her face. Have you seen that on other commentators? At least they can keep a straight face.
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luckyso
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我又没赞同Lowry的行为。他说的话明显得过分。但是Trump自己说话过分的时候呢?
  
  BlueNDGold 发表于 9/24/2015 8:08:20 PM
Trump哪有他过分,程度不同, 你想想如果Trump说了这么过分恶毒且没有歧义的话媒体早就上了天了不是,估计已经被迫退选了。当然Trump也应该自己多小心些,不要大嘴巴。Glad you don't support Lowry, which shows you still have class.
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BlueNDGold
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Trump哪有他过分,程度不同, 你想想如果Trump说了这么过分恶毒且没有歧义的话媒体早就上了天了不是,估计已经被迫退选了。当然Trump也应该自己多小心些,不要大嘴巴。Glad you don't support Lowry, which shows you still have class.
  
  
   luckyso 发表于 9/24/2015 8:18:29 PM

我现在越来越认为Trump是民主党派来混底的。Trump出来糊乱搅和一场,导致共和党选手只有时间骂他,减少对Clinton的注意力。这才是真的高级黑啊。
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luckyso
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  我现在越来越认为Trump是民主党派来混底的。Trump出来糊乱搅和一场,导致共和党选手只有时间骂他,减少对Clinton的注意力。这才是真的高级黑啊。
  
  BlueNDGold 发表于 9/24/2015 8:32:03 PM
Clinton的敌人是FBI(或者是她自己?),共和党根本不用骂她,只要时不时的报道FBI的进展就可以了。
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PositiveVibe
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我又没赞同Lowry的行为。他说的话明显得过分。但是Trump自己说话过分的时候呢?
  
  BlueNDGold 发表于 9/24/2015 8:08:20 PM
Trump哪有这么low过?除了说ears, nose,如果你认为ears,nose跟balls等同,那你的脸长得肯定很有特点
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PositiveVibe
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  我现在越来越认为Trump是民主党派来混底的。Trump出来糊乱搅和一场,导致共和党选手只有时间骂他,减少对Clinton的注意力。这才是真的高级黑啊。
  
  BlueNDGold 发表于 9/24/2015 8:32:03 PM
大伙没有像你这么脑袋一根筋吧,顾了这头就顾不了那头了
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PositiveVibe
2316 楼
麦加今天踩踏死了七百多。。。
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BlueNDGold
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Trump哪有这么low过?除了说ears, nose,如果你认为ears,nose跟balls等同,那你的脸长得肯定很有特点
  PositiveVibe 发表于 9/24/2015 8:48:10 PM r
如果你信Trump是在说ear, nose,那估计Trump说他是达赖喇嘛转生你也信。
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BlueNDGold
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Clinton的敌人是FBI(或者是她自己?),共和党根本不用骂她,只要时不时的报道FBI的进展就可以了。

  luckyso 发表于 9/24/2015 8:47:40 PM
根本不用担心FBI.

这就是新闻里吵一吵。
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luckyso
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根本不用担心FBI.
  
  这就是新闻里吵一吵。

  BlueNDGold 发表于 9/24/2015 9:18:47 PM
你是FBI卧底?
只要希拉里说是个人email的那部分查出来有contain classified info的work email. 她就彻底完蛋了。
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BlueNDGold
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你是FBI卧底?
只要希拉里说是个人email的那部分查出来有contain classified info的work email. 她就彻底完蛋了。

  luckyso 发表于 9/24/2015 9:30:12 PM
放心。不会有事滴。

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whyhere
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希老太身体不好, 她刚说的, 不要有贵药,那也不要看顶级专科医生了,随便个门诊打发好了。
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luckyso
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希老太身体不好, 她刚说的, 不要有贵药,那也不要看顶级专科医生了,随便个门诊打发好了。
  whyhere 发表于 9/24/2015 9:39:15 PM
啥意思?身体不好不需要看专科医生?
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whyhere
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啥意思?身体不好不需要看专科医生?
   luckyso 发表于 9/24/2015 9:55:10 PM

我是说她生病也别看专家了,吃点otc的药就成。她不是刚说要biotech 改革吗?
不知道药厂的同学怎么看
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PositiveVibe
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如果你信Trump是在说ear, nose,那估计Trump说他是达赖喇嘛转生你也信。
  
   BlueNDGold 发表于 9/24/2015 9:16:46 PM
反正如果他说你是蛤蟆喇叭转世我不信
你的意思是,我应该信?
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luckyso
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我现在最不想看到的是HP女出现在GOP的ticket里面,即使是VP。这比希拉里当选还让人不能忍。
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PositiveVibe
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我现在最不想看到的是HP女出现在GOP的ticket里面,即使是VP。这比希拉里当选还让人不能忍。
  luckyso 发表于 9/24/2015 11:40:36 PM
Trump不会选女它的吧?
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luckyso
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Trump不会选女它的吧?

  PositiveVibe 发表于 9/24/2015 11:52:10 PM
万一Trump没选上呢?Jeb/Rubio都可能找她。还不如Kasich
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PositiveVibe
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万一Trump没选上呢?Jeb/Rubio都可能找她。还不如Kasich

  luckyso 发表于 9/24/2015 11:56:05 PM
我看分析说,有很多本来会选DEM的黑人会转投给他,外加上以前不出来投票的,这回也会出来投他,所以他赢的可能性还是很大的,根本不用靠latino的票
他不是自己也分析了,按现在的polls来看,很多黑人投他了,以前没有那么多黑人投REP的,因为说其实黑人最烦非移
说上次本来Romney应该能选上的,但是好多人没出来投票,因为Romney还是缺了点energy和ethusiasim,但他都有
上次看个commentator说,我忘了是哪台的了,如果Trump不断有新substance加进来,应该可以赢
再说了,有咱呢,所以我觉得应该不会有万一的情况 ;)
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luckyso
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我看分析说,有很多本来会选DEM的黑人会转投给他,外加上以前不出来投票的,这回也会出来投他,所以他赢的可能性还是很大的,根本不用靠latino的票
他不是自己也分析了,按现在的polls来看,很多黑人投他了,以前没有那么多黑人投REP的,因为说其实黑人最烦非移
说上次本来Romney应该能选上的,但是好多人没出来投票,因为Romney还是缺了点energy和ethusiasim,但他都有
上次看个commentator说,我忘了是哪台的了,如果Trump不断有新substance加进来,应该可以赢
再说了,有咱呢,所以我觉得应该不会有万一的情况 ;)

  PositiveVibe 发表于 9/25/2015 12:23:48 AM
谢谢分析。我不担心Trump的general election, 这次GOP的投票热情很高(65% vs. 50% in Dem),大势很好。我担心他初选。。。
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PositiveVibe
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楼上滴,普京周一要跟O8会面了,习总今天已经到华盛顿了,好热闹
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luckyso
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楼上滴,普京周一要跟O8会面了,习总今天已经到华盛顿了,好热闹
PositiveVibe 发表于 9/25/2015 12:53:43 AM

secret service估计累死了都。习core就是搞个碳市场摆摆样子,等看普京出招。普京来时习core应该还在吧,好热闹
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ronyning
2332 楼
玛雅!这时候Isis再来现现眼!三大巨头正好成立一个反Isis联盟!联手算了!中国军队也该练练筋骨了!
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PositiveVibe
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FBI已经发现3封希老太的个人email有classified info,还在继续看别的信
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PositiveVibe
2334 楼
彭丽媛今天跟O8老婆一起去DC动物园看新出生的小熊猫
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PositiveVibe
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Housr speaker John Boehner辞职了,并且放弃了his Ohio congressional seat
出啥大事了?
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whyhere
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FBI已经发现3封希老太的个人email有classified info,还在继续看别的信
   PositiveVibe 发表于 9/25/2015 9:28:33 AM

  希望她就此可以回家专心做个外婆!
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urthur
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Housr speaker John Boehner辞职了,并且放弃了his Ohio congressional seat
出啥大事了?
  PositiveVibe 发表于 9/25/2015 9:59:20 AM
He was crying during pope's speech yesterday.  Not sure if is related
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luckyso
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Boehner饱受批评,GOP majority congress didn't achieve a thing. 不过有O8在,确实啥也干不成。
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luckyso
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   希望她就此可以回家专心做个外婆!
  

  whyhere 发表于 9/25/2015 10:10:49 AM
她还是赶紧退选吧,全身而退,免得被起诉
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lvhuaele
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Boehner饱受批评,GOP majority congress didn't achieve a thing. 不过有O8在,确实啥也干不成。
  luckyso 发表于 9/25/2015 10:54:11 AM

这个真不是o8的功劳, GOP内部的分歧不比他们和民主党的分歧小。茶党太右,茶党选出来的议员不可能对GOP的温和派妥协, 如果一点不妥协,其实什么谈判都不会有结果。Boehner一开始就被认为没法控制茶党。他几次谈话中相当不客气的不点名的批评了茶党。
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luckyso
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    这个真不是o8的功劳, GOP内部的分歧不比他们和民主党的分歧小。茶党太右,茶党选出来的议员不可能对GOP的温和派妥协, 如果一点不妥协,其实什么谈判都不会有结果。Boehner一开始就被认为没法控制茶党。他几次谈话中相当不客气的不点名的批评了茶党。
  
    lvhuaele 发表于 9/25/2015 10:57:53 AM

可是O8极左啊,会veto任何保守派的提案,茶党只不过想通过一个半个提案,也就算有所成就,可以和选民交代了。如果是一个moderate的总统,懂得合作的总统,偶然给个棒棒糖,不会闹成这样。2012年总统大选辩论的一个重要主题就是bipartisan cooperation, 现在影都没有,都是用EA绕过congress。
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PositiveVibe
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可是为啥O8跟Boehner的关系还非常好呢?
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lvhuaele
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可是O8极左啊,会veto任何保守派的提案,茶党只不过想通过一个半个提案,也就算有所成就,可以和选民交代了。如果是一个moderate的总统,懂得合作的总统,偶然给个棒棒糖,不会闹成这样。2012年大选辩论的一个重要主题就是bipartisan cooperation, 现在影都没有,都没人提了。

  luckyso 发表于 9/25/2015 11:05:40 AM
茶党是在奥巴马第一任内迅速达到顶峰的。再极端的总统都不可能在第一任期内有任何极端的行为,都是夹着尾巴做人,连任需求。所以你可以看出历史上第二任期内的总统往往政策会更加偏某一端。

茶党从来不是只想通过一个半个提案,而是一定要全盘按照自己的政治理想来,基本上就是你不达成我的要求,我就无理取闹,参见上次政府shutdown。其实后来也有分析认为Boehner 当时也有让茶党闹一次,然后让他们自己看看后果的意思。民间把共和党骂死了,不仅没有达成他们的要求,最后还因为政府关门,导致了巨大的经济损失,茶党在那个之后,也没有了当年的气势。

奥巴马其实是一个moderate的总统,你看他被美国国内左派势力骂的就知道了。
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BlueNDGold
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茶党是在奥巴马第一任内迅速达到顶峰的。再极端的总统都不可能在第一任期内有任何极端的行为,都是夹着尾巴做人,连任需求。所以你可以看出历史上第二任期内的总统往往政策会更加偏某一端。

茶党从来不是只想通过一个半个提案,而是一定要全盘按照自己的政治理想来,基本上就是你不达成我的要求,我就无理取闹,参见上次政府shutdown。其实后来也有分析认为Boehner 当时也有让茶党闹一次,然后让他们自己看看后果的意思。民间把共和党骂死了,不仅没有达成他们的要求,最后还因为政府关门,导致了巨大的经济损失,茶党在那个之后,也没有了当年的气势。

奥巴马其实是一个moderate的总统,你看他被美国国内左派势力骂的就知道了。

  lvhuaele 发表于 9/25/2015 11:15:51 AM
好不容易有个明白的人来发言了。

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BlueNDGold
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可是为啥O8跟Boehner的关系还非常好呢?
  PositiveVibe 发表于 9/25/2015 11:14:40 AM
因为他们俩虽然政治观念不同,但是明白从政不能像茶党那样一意孤行.
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luckyso
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茶党是在奥巴马第一任内迅速达到顶峰的。再极端的总统都不可能在第一任期内有任何极端的行为,都是夹着尾巴做人,连任需求。所以你可以看出历史上第二任期内的总统往往政策会更加偏某一端。
  
  茶党从来不是只想通过一个半个提案,而是一定要全盘按照自己的政治理想来,基本上就是你不达成我的要求,我就无理取闹,参见上次政府shutdown。其实后来也有分析认为Boehner 当时也有让茶党闹一次,然后让他们自己看看后果的意思。民间把共和党骂死了,不仅没有达成他们的要求,最后还因为政府关门,导致了巨大的经济损失,茶党在那个之后,也没有了当年的气势。
  
  奥巴马其实是一个moderate的总统,你看他被美国国内左派势力骂的就知道了。
  
   lvhuaele 发表于 9/25/2015 11:15:51 AM

上帝都要发笑。举个例子,前两天hilary终于说了她反对keystone, 所有的媒体都说她往极左的方向走了一步,不利于general election. 而O8 veto keystone毫无压力。
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luckyso
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因为他们俩虽然政治观念不同,但是明白从政不能像茶党那样一意孤行.
  
  BlueNDGold 发表于 9/25/2015 11:25:41 AM
茶党一意孤行,奥巴马不是一样?茶党从来没实现过啥,奥巴马可是硕果累累,比如最近的Iran deal.
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luckyso
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AMONG liberals, it’s almost universally assumed that of the two major parties, it’s the Republicans who have become more extreme over the years. That’s a self-flattering but false narrative.

To see just how far the Democratic Party has moved to the left, compare Barack Obama with Bill Clinton. In 1992, Mr. Clinton ran as a centrist New Democrat. In several respects he governed as one as well. He endorsed a sentencing policy of “three strikes and you’re out,” and he proposed adding 100,000 police officers to the streets.

In contrast, President Obama’s former attorney general, Eric H. Holder Jr., criticized what he called “widespread incarceration” and championed the first decrease in the federal prison population in more than three decades. Mr. Obama, meanwhile, has chosen to focus on police abuses.

One of the crowning legislative achievements under Mr. Clinton was welfare reform. Mr. Obama, on the other hand, loosened welfare-to-work requirements. Mr. Obama is more liberal than Mr. Clinton was on gay rights, religious liberties, abortion rights, drug legalization and climate change. He has focused far more attention on income inequality than did Mr. Clinton, who stressed opportunity and mobility. While Mr. Clinton ended one entitlement program (Aid to Families With Dependent Children), Mr. Obama is responsible for creating the Affordable Care Act, the largest new entitlement since the Great Society. He is the first president to essentially nationalize health care.

Mr. Clinton lowered the capital-gains tax rate; Mr. Obama has proposed raising it. Mr. Clinton cut spending and produced a surplus. Under Mr. Obama, spending and the deficit reached record levels. In foreign policy, Mr. Obama has shown himself to be far more critical of traditional allies and more supine toward our adversaries than Mr. Clinton was. Mr. Obama has often acted as if American strength is a problem to which the solution is retrenchment, or even retreat.
克林顿是温和派,奥巴马绝对不是。
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BlueNDGold
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  上帝都要发笑。举个例子,前两天hilary终于说了她反对keystone, 所有的媒体都说她往极左的方向走了一步,不利于general election. 而O8 veto keystone毫无压力。
  
  luckyso 发表于 9/25/2015 11:26:44 AM
环保什么时候成了极左的立场了?

所有的媒体?

说话能不能不那么极端?动不动就"所有","极"。先掌握好尺寸再发言行么?
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lvhuaele
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  上帝都要发笑。举个例子,前两天hilary终于说了她反对keystone, 所有的媒体都说她往极左的方向走了一步,不利于general election. 而O8 veto keystone毫无压力。
  
  luckyso 发表于 9/25/2015 11:26:44 AM

奥巴马当选前,我在某个网站留言开玩笑说,he will make people miss Bush. 我个人一点也不喜欢奥巴马,无论是医改,还是撤军,还是移民。但是他真的不是一个极左的总统。 左派其实对他很失望,如果你留意过政治新闻超过5年以上就知道了。他对左派关注的类似同性恋婚姻,改善种族关系,以及给非法移民合法身份的关心程度远不及他对塑造美国在国际社会“负责任的大国”的热衷。以前就有研究说过这个和奥巴马的成长环境有关。他其实有很长的第三世界国家成长的经历。他竭力推广的医改也和他母亲得了癌症后医疗经历和巨额账单有关。
我最初并不喜欢trump,纯粹是他在电视里面就是一个big bully的形象,但是他给那些政治正确的人的耳光非常的令我赞叹。而且他tone down以后,我发现他其实也可以当实用主义,这点我也很喜欢。不过我并不看好他的electability。这个涉及的东西太多。

最后说一句,道不同。不是说想法有区别,而是我们态度有很大不同,这个帖子我看了好久了,几次想发言,但是觉得其实就是党同伐异。你很不喜欢别人嘲笑你,几次强烈反对,但是对我,上来就是“上帝都要发笑”。 这个姿态实在……不好听的话我不说了。
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luckyso
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奥巴马当选前,我在某个网站留言开玩笑说,he will make people miss Bush. 我个人一点也不喜欢奥巴马,无论是医改,还是撤军,还是移民。但是他真的不是一个极左的总统。 左派其实对他很失望,如果你留意过政治新闻超过5年以上就知道了。他对左派关注的类似同性恋婚姻,改善种族关系,以及给非法移民合法身份的关心程度远不及他对塑造美国在国际社会“负责任的大国”的热衷。以前就有研究说过这个和奥巴马的成长环境有关。他其实有很长的第三世界国家成长的经历。他竭力推广的医改也和他母亲得了癌症后医疗经历和巨额账单有关。
我最初并不喜欢trump,纯粹是他在电视里面就是一个big bully的形象,但是他给那些政治正确的人的耳光非常的令我赞叹。而且他tone down以后,我发现他其实也可以当实用主义,这点我也很喜欢。不过我并不看好他的electability。这个涉及的东西太多。

最后说一句,道不同。不是说想法有区别,而是我们态度有很大不同,这个帖子我看了好久了,几次想发言,但是觉得其实就是党同伐异。你很不喜欢别人嘲笑你,几次强烈反对,但是对我,上来就是“上帝都要发笑”。 这个姿态实在……不好听的话我不说了。

lvhuaele 发表于 9/25/2015 11:43:19 AM

这是上次看一个节目有个嘉宾说的,好吧,我不该乱引用,我向你道歉。不可否认的是,O8比克林顿那时极端了许多,例子我已经举了。我能接受克林顿,接受不了奥巴马。
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BlueNDGold
2352 楼

奥巴马当选前,我在某个网站留言开玩笑说,he will make people miss Bush. 我个人一点也不喜欢奥巴马,无论是医改,还是撤军,还是移民。但是他真的不是一个极左的总统。 左派其实对他很失望,如果你留意过政治新闻超过5年以上就知道了。他对左派关注的类似同性恋婚姻,改善种族关系,以及给非法移民合法身份的关心程度远不及他对塑造美国在国际社会“负责任的大国”的热衷。以前就有研究说过这个和奥巴马的成长环境有关。他其实有很长的第三世界国家成长的经历。他竭力推广的医改也和他母亲得了癌症后医疗经历和巨额账单有关。
我最初并不喜欢trump,纯粹是他在电视里面就是一个big bully的形象,但是他给那些政治正确的人的耳光非常的令我赞叹。而且他tone down以后,我发现他其实也可以当实用主义,这点我也很喜欢。不过我并不看好他的electability。这个涉及的东西太多。

最后说一句,道不同。不是说想法有区别,而是我们态度有很大不同,这个帖子我看了好久了,几次想发言,但是觉得其实就是党同伐异。你很不喜欢别人嘲笑你,几次强烈反对,但是对我,上来就是“上帝都要发笑”。 这个姿态实在……不好听的话我不说了。

  lvhuaele 发表于 9/25/2015 11:43:19 AM

话说我对Obama最大的失望是他的医改没有包括Tort Reform。
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luckyso
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  话说我对Obama最大的失望是他的医改没有包括Tort Reform。

  BlueNDGold 发表于 9/25/2015 12:00:43 PM
同意,可以帮助降低医疗费用的措施都赞成,花在malpractice insurance的钱太多了。可惜O8 care只是隔靴搔痒,没触及深层问题。
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Dupre
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同意,可以帮助降低医疗费用的措施都赞成,花在malpractice insurance的钱太多了。可惜O8 care只是隔靴搔痒,没触及深层问题。

  luckyso 发表于 9/25/2015 12:12:35 PM
深层的东西跟本没动。现在医生也不爱当医生。整天有人要sue你,能好受吗。直接导致就是医院医生liability过大。然后最终只能提高cost来补回来。

问问年纪大点的人,他们以前看病根本没这么复杂。
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luckyso
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其实我觉得我们对“极左”的定义不同,我的默认是不是central-left的就是,可有些定义均贫富那种才是。就和极右一样,有人觉得反对任何情况下的堕胎就是极右,也有人觉得“元首”那种才是。上次看到一个片子,说无政府才是极左。。。那O8显然不是。所以大家讨论的可能不是在一个假设下。
My point being, O8 is far more to the left than Clinton, who is widely recognized as a moderate central-left. As a country, we need someone more to the center.
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goldengate
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[quote]其实我觉得我们对“极左”的定义不同,我的默认是不是central-left的就是,可有些定义均贫富那种才是。就和极右一样,有人觉得反对任何情况下的堕胎就是极右,也有人觉得“元首”那种才是。上次看到一个片子,说无政府才是极左。。。那O8显然不是。所以大家讨论的可能不是在一个假设下。
My point being, O8 is far more to the left than Clinton, who is widely recognized as a moderate central-left. As a country, we need someone more to the center.
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其实大多华人是central left. 崇尚自我奋斗,赞成对老弱病残实行福利制度,推崇传统家庭价值,宗教信仰多元化。 跟这个比,obama显然是更左了。
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luckyso
2357 楼
深层的东西跟本没动。现在医生也不爱当医生。整天有人要sue你,能好受吗。直接导致就是医院医生liability过大。然后最终只能提高cost来补回来。

问问年纪大点的人,他们以前看病根本没这么复杂。
  


  Dupre 发表于 9/25/2015 12:23:39 PM
恩,对的,而且还要做很多没必要的检查,同样增加成本。
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luckyso
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CNN的文章:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/05/health/youn-liability-reform/
According to OpenSecrets.org, since 1990, the American Association for Justice, previously known as the Association of Trial Lawyers of America, has given 92% of its $36.8 million in contributions to Democrats.

The association is also a large contributor to President Barack Obama's re-election campaign. It is opposed to malpractice tort reform, for obvious reasons, and I suspect that it may have played a significant role in the absence of malpractice liability reform in the Affordable Care Act.
拿了钱后是很难和donor对着干。
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Dupre
2359 楼
恩,对的,而且还要做很多没必要的检查,同样增加成本。

  luckyso 发表于 9/25/2015 12:34:49 PM
其实没必要的检查也是因为医院医生要避免担责任。都已经模式化了,谁敢不做那些检查就下诊断。出事就惨了。
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xiang2010
2360 楼
Housr speaker John Boehner辞职了,并且放弃了his Ohio congressional seat
出啥大事了?
  PositiveVibe 发表于 9/25/2015 9:59:20 AM
被教皇感化,看破红尘了。
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luckyso
2361 楼
Hillary Clinton trails Sanders in New Hampshire, even without Joe Biden in the race
Sanders has the backing of nearly half of those who say they plan to vote in the first-in-the-nation Democratic primary next year -- 46% support him -- while just 30% say they back Clinton.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/24/politics/new-hampshire-2016-democratic-primary-hillary-clinton/index.html?sr=tw092515clintonsanders0135pVODtopLink
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luckyso
2363 楼
“I will say, the early reports are discouraging. If it is correct that the speaker, before he resigns, has cut a deal with Nancy Pelosi to fund the Obama administration for the rest of its tenure, to fund Obamacare, to fund executive amnesty, to fund Planned Parenthood, to fund implementation of this Iran deal — and then, presumably, to land in a cushy K Street job after joining with the Democrats to implement all of President Obama’s priorities, that is not the behavior one would expect of a Republican speaker of the House,” Cruz told reporters at the conservative Values Voter Summit in Washington.

The unconfirmed report came from conservative news site Breitbart. The speaker’s office did not immediately respond to an inquiry from TheBlaze about Cruz’s charge.
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whyhere
2364 楼
“I will say, the early reports are discouraging. If it is correct that the speaker, before he resigns, has cut a deal with Nancy Pelosi to fund the Obama administration for the rest of its tenure, to fund Obamacare, to fund executive amnesty, to fund Planned Parenthood, to fund implementation of this Iran deal — and then, presumably, to land in a cushy K Street job after joining with the Democrats to implement all of President Obama’s priorities, that is not the behavior one would expect of a Republican speaker of the House,” Cruz told reporters at the conservative Values Voter Summit in Washington.

The unconfirmed report came from conservative news site Breitbart. The speaker’s office did not immediately respond to an inquiry from TheBlaze about Cruz’s charge.
  luckyso 发表于 9/25/2015 4:47:02 PM
                叛徒
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BlueNDGold
2365 楼
“I will say, the early reports are discouraging. If it is correct that the speaker, before he resigns, has cut a deal with Nancy Pelosi to fund the Obama administration for the rest of its tenure, to fund Obamacare, to fund executive amnesty, to fund Planned Parenthood, to fund implementation of this Iran deal — and then, presumably, to land in a cushy K Street job after joining with the Democrats to implement all of President Obama’s priorities, that is not the behavior one would expect of a Republican speaker of the House,” Cruz told reporters at the conservative Values Voter Summit in Washington.
  
  The unconfirmed report came from conservative news site Breitbart. The speaker’s office did not immediately respond to an inquiry from TheBlaze about Cruz’s charge.
   luckyso 发表于 9/25/2015 4:47:02 PM

Are we referring to the same Breitbart report?
  
  The report that cited Political and the Washington Post?
  
  The report that has a much milder tone than what you posted above?
  
  http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/25/boehners-exit-plan-pass-obamas-agenda/

You know why Cruz is not a legitimate candidate? It's because he is always involved with bogus claims like this.
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luckyso
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  Are we referring to the same Breitbart report?
  
   The report that cited Political and the Washington Post?
  
   The report that has a much milder tone than what you posted above?
  
   http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/25/boehners-exit-plan-pass-obamas-agenda/
  
  You know why Cruz is not a legitimate candidate? It's because he is always involved with bogus claims like this.
  
  
  
  

  BlueNDGold 发表于 9/25/2015 5:20:05 PM
for example?
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luckyso
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                叛徒    
  
    whyhere 发表于 9/25/2015 5:08:38 PM

报道真假未知,but I don't buy it when Boehner said he made the decision this morning.
  "Last night I started thinking about this and this morning I woke up and I said my prayers -- as I always do -- and I decided today's the day I'm going to do this. As simple as that," Boehner said.
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luckyso
2368 楼
Trump今天拿着bible到处跑, 其实我没觉得他有多么虔诚,可是GOP里面一群福音派就好这一口。
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PositiveVibe
2369 楼
I don't believe it's as simple as that....好象跟planed parenthood以及下星期的government shutdown有关
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luckyso
2370 楼
Jeb Bush said that Democrats win black voters with 'free stuff' - 估计又要被liberal一通群殴。Bush太直白了。。。

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/25/politics/jeb-bush-free-stuff-black-voters/index.html
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luckyso
2371 楼
FBI Arrests Chinese Millionaire Once Tied to Clinton $$ Scandal

The FBI has arrested a politically prominent Chinese millionaire, the alleged secret source of foreign money in a campaign finance scandal during the Clinton administration, on charges he lied about why he brought more than $4.5 million in cash into the United States over the last two years.

  http://abcnews.go.com/International/fbi-arrests-chinese-millionaire-tied-clinton-scandal/story?id=33990683
  Plots from House of cards?
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BlueNDGold
2372 楼
for example?
    luckyso 发表于 9/25/2015 5:26:21 PM

Misstating the terms of the Iran agreement:
  
   https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/09/16/the-republican-divide-over-the-iran-deal/
  
   Just look at how he stack up against other Republican Candidates:
  
Person Party affil. Truthiness
Ted Cruz R. 34%
Jeb BushR. 69%
Donald Trump R. 26%
Chris ChristieR. 68%
John KasichR. 70%
Rand Paul R. 66%
Marco Rubio R. 61%
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luckyso
2373 楼
Misstating the terms of the Iran agreement:
  
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/09/16/the-republican-divide-over-the-iran-deal/
  
  Just look at how he stack up against other Republican Candidates:
  
  [td]
Person Party affil. Truthiness
Ted Cruz R. 34%
Jeb Bush R. 69%
Donald Trump R. 26%
Chris Christie R. 68%
John Kasich R. 70%
Rand Paul R. 66%
Marco Rubio R. 61%

  

  BlueNDGold 发表于 9/25/2015 5:57:26 PM
Before the deal, Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei insisted that “inspection of our military sites is out of the question and is one of our red lines.” Foreigners, he elaborated, “shouldn’t be allowed at all to penetrate into the country's security and defensive boundaries under the pretext of supervision, and the country's military officials are not permitted at all to allow the foreigners to cross these boundaries or stop the country's defensive development under the pretext of supervision and inspection.”

While he has remained silent about access since the deal was signed, his proxies have not. On the day the deal was finalized, according to Iran’s Fars news service, the spokesman for Iran’s Atomic Energy Organization, Behrouz Kamalvandi, said, “In the inked roadmap, no permission has been issued for the IAEA's access to any military centers and the nuclear scientists. We have explicitly announced our positions in this regard during the [past] negotiations."

IAEA的side deal没人看到,但从伊朗方面的发言来看确有这种可能。

Christie has 68%?  I highly doubt the accuracy of the chart.
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BlueNDGold
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Before the deal, Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei insisted that “inspection of our military sites is out of the question and is one of our red lines.” Foreigners, he elaborated, “shouldn’t be allowed at all to penetrate into the country's security and defensive boundaries under the pretext of supervision, and the country's military officials are not permitted at all to allow the foreigners to cross these boundaries or stop the country's defensive development under the pretext of supervision and inspection.”

While he has remained silent about access since the deal was signed, his proxies have not. On the day the deal was finalized, according to Iran’s Fars news service, the spokesman for Iran’s Atomic Energy Organization, Behrouz Kamalvandi, said, “In the inked roadmap, no permission has been issued for the IAEA's access to any military centers and the nuclear scientists. We have explicitly announced our positions in this regard during the [past] negotiations."

IAEA的side deal没人看到,但从伊朗方面的发言来看确有这种可能。

Christie has 68%?  I highly doubt the accuracy of the chart.


  luckyso 发表于 9/25/2015 6:06:14 PM
PolitiFact is an independent fact-checking journalism website aimed at bringing you the truth in politics. PolitiFact's reporters and editors fact-check statements from the White House, Congress, candidates, advocacy groups and more, rating claims for accuracy on our Truth-O-Meter. Every fact-check includes analysis of the claim, an explanation of our reasoning and a list of links to all our sources.

PolitiFact, a division of the Tampa Bay Times, won the Pulitzer Prize in 2009 for its fact-checking of the presidential election.  The Times, Florida's largest newspaper, is independently owned by the Poynter Institute, a school for journalists in St. Petersburg, Fla.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/chris-christie/

你有什么原因不信么? 我认为得过 Pulitzer 的网站比你可信。
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luckyso
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PolitiFact is an independent fact-checking journalism website aimed at bringing you the truth in politics. PolitiFact's reporters and editors fact-check statements from the White House, Congress, candidates, advocacy groups and more, rating claims for accuracy on our Truth-O-Meter. Every fact-check includes analysis of the claim, an explanation of our reasoning and a list of links to all our sources.
  
   PolitiFact, a division of the Tampa Bay Times, won the Pulitzer Prize in 2009 for its fact-checking of the presidential election.  The Times, Florida's largest newspaper, is independently owned by the Poynter Institute, a school for journalists in St. Petersburg, Fla.
  
   http://www.politifact.com/personalities/chris-christie/
  
   你有什么原因不信么? 我认为得过 Pulitzer 的网站比你可信。
  
  
   BlueNDGold 发表于 9/25/2015 6:25:08 PM

Don't take my word for it, it seems people in NJ don't agree either, that's why he's not GOP's golden boy any more.

As Gov. Christie seeks to gain the confidence of voters across the nation, he faces a glaring problem here at home: 44 percent of Garden State voters say that the word "trustworthy" does not apply to him at all, according to a new Rutgers-Eagleton Poll. Just 17 percent now say "trustworthy" describes the governor "very well."
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BlueNDGold
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  Don't take my word for it, it seems people in NJ don't agree either, that's why he's not GOP's golden boy any more.
  
  As Gov. Christie seeks to gain the confidence of voters across the nation, he faces a glaring problem here at home: 44 percent of Garden State voters say that the word "trustworthy" does not apply to him at all, according to a new Rutgers-Eagleton Poll. Just 17 percent now say "trustworthy" describes the governor "very well."
  
  luckyso 发表于 9/25/2015 6:45:11 PM

Yet Christie's has made more truthful remarks on the campaign trail than Cruz.  So what does that say about Cruz?
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PositiveVibe
2377 楼
Trump在Oklahoma讲话,现在进行时
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PositiveVibe
2378 楼
他现在演讲越来越溜了,而且越来越多料
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whyhere
2379 楼
I don't believe it's as simple as that....好象跟planed parenthood以及下星期的government shutdown有关


  PositiveVibe 发表于 9/25/2015 5:41:58 PM
      那岂不是 GOP 又要挨骂。 他们还想不想赢大选。
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PositiveVibe
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CNN的文章:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/05/health/youn-liability-reform/
According to OpenSecrets.org, since 1990, the American Association for Justice, previously known as the Association of Trial Lawyers of America, has given 92% of its $36.8 million in contributions to Democrats.

The association is also a large contributor to President Barack Obama's re-election campaign. It is opposed to malpractice tort reform, for obvious reasons, and I suspect that it may have played a significant role in the absence of malpractice liability reform in the Affordable Care Act.
拿了钱后是很难和donor对着干。
  luckyso 发表于 9/25/2015 12:37:56 PM
还是self-funding说话有底气
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PositiveVibe
2381 楼
Boehner好爱哭啊
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/09/25/john-boehner-crying-emotional-speaker-house/72799814/
  luckyso 发表于 9/25/2015 4:42:08 PM
好像每次哭都跟孩子以及孩子教育有关,他Catholic,应该也是不愿意fund planned parenthood吧,但以前没特别反对,还跟Pelosi达成deal,被茶党右派Cruz抨击,昨天见了Pope,可能忽然良心发现了
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luckyso
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      那岂不是 GOP 又要挨骂。 他们还想不想赢大选。

whyhere 发表于 9/25/2015 10:02:25 PM

据说辞职了就不会shut down了
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luckyso
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好像每次哭都跟孩子以及孩子教育有关,他Catholic,应该也是不愿意fund planned parenthood吧,但以前没特别反对,还跟Pelosi达成deal,被茶党右派Cruz抨击,昨天见了Pope,可能忽然良心发现了

PositiveVibe 发表于 9/25/2015 11:34:33 PM

他是觉得有愧吧,这下可以天天忏悔sin早日得到宽恕了。
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PositiveVibe
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昨天Trump在 Oklahoma的演讲
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luckyso
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可怜的Carson,为啥媒体还在折腾他。。。
In wake of Muslim remarks, Ben Carson calls on media to 'mature'
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/25/politics/ben-carson-muslim-values-voter-summit/index.html

Charles Krauthammer: Fox News Commentator Calls Ben Carson's Islam Comments 'Morally Outrageous'
Krauthammer said he believed Carson's statement that a Muslim should not be president was "sincerely felt," but is "politically poisonous," in an editorial in the Hartford Courant on Friday.
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luckyso
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luckyso
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A 2009 email chain between Hillary Clinton and David Petraeus is raising questions about whether some of the emails on Clinton's private email server were mistakenly deemed personal.
http://cnn.it/1G8fS6p via CNN Politics
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jiaobaozhuang
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该用户帖子内容已被屏蔽
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luckyso
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谢谢楼主一直坚持更新这个帖子。我已不想再对美国的政坛或选举发评论谈感想了,但一直会关注楼主的帖子。感谢楼主和几个坚持在帖子里发言的JM们经常提供的消息或链接。在只有2个烂苹果可以供人们挑选的情况下,我一直坚持选择我认为还不很烂的GOP 。在GOP的所有2016选举人中,我目前支持Trump,Cruz和Carsen
  jiaobaozhuang 发表于 9/26/2015 5:11:16 PM
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PositiveVibe
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A 2009 email chain between Hillary Clinton and David Petraeus is raising questions about whether some of the emails on Clinton's private email server were mistakenly deemed personal.
  http://cnn.it/1G8fS6p via CNN Politics
   luckyso 发表于 9/26/2015 4:45:14 PM

她那种虚张声势,故作镇定的狂笑,一看就是心虚想用假笑掩盖事实的表现,每次看她说话,她好像都是在努力defend for herself
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PositiveVibe
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谢谢楼主一直坚持更新这个帖子。我已不想再对美国的政坛或选举发评论谈感想了,但一直会关注楼主的帖子。感谢楼主和几个坚持在帖子里发言的JM们经常提供的消息或链接。在只有2个烂苹果可以供人们挑选的情况下,我一直坚持选择我认为还不很烂的GOP 。在GOP的所有2016选举人中,我目前支持Trump,Cruz和Carsen
  jiaobaozhuang 发表于 9/26/2015 5:11:16 PM

嗯,秋天到了,是该摘苹果,捡nuts的时候了 :D
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PositiveVibe
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可怜的Carson,为啥媒体还在折腾他。。。
In wake of Muslim remarks, Ben Carson calls on media to 'mature'
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/25/politics/ben-carson-muslim-values-voter-summit/index.html

Charles Krauthammer: Fox News Commentator Calls Ben Carson's Islam Comments 'Morally Outrageous'
Krauthammer said he believed Carson's statement that a Muslim should not be president was "sincerely felt," but is "politically poisonous," in an editorial in the Hartford Courant on Friday.
  luckyso 发表于 9/26/2015 11:33:35 AM
折腾折腾,Carson好来财啊,不是说自从它open this can of worm了以后,财源滚滚来么
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PositiveVibe
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这周日晚东部时间8点,Trump上CBS的60 minutes
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luckyso
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折腾折腾,Carson好来财啊,不是说自从它open this can of worm了以后,财源滚滚来么
  

  PositiveVibe 发表于 9/26/2015 8:01:39 PM
哈哈,因祸得福啦~~~
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monmon
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可怜的Carson,为啥媒体还在折腾他。。。
In wake of Muslim remarks, Ben Carson calls on media to 'mature'
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/25/politics/ben-carson-muslim-values-voter-summit/index.html

Charles Krauthammer: Fox News Commentator Calls Ben Carson's Islam Comments 'Morally Outrageous'
Krauthammer said he believed Carson's statement that a Muslim should not be president was "sincerely felt," but is "politically poisonous," in an editorial in the Hartford Courant on Friday.
  luckyso 发表于 9/26/2015 11:33:35 AM
Carson 思维和口才都不错,更重要的是看得出他真心是爱美国的。作为一个黑人,能在事业上如此成功,而且完全摆脱了黑人种族victimized思想心态,这点很值得人尊重。
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luckyso
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Carson 思维和口才都不错,更重要的是看得出他真心是爱美国的。作为一个黑人,能在事业上如此成功,而且完全摆脱了黑人种族victimized思想心态,这点很值得人尊重。


  monmon 发表于 9/26/2015 10:25:59 PM
Carson很值得尊重。还好他是黑人,不容易扣上racist的大帽子,这个msl的言论后续还是manageable的。
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luckyso
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Donald Trump to unveil his tax plan on Monday
Donald Trump will release his tax plan Monday morning, his campaign manager said Saturday.
Corey Lewandowski also told CNN that the plan will be published on Trump's website.
On Wednesday, Trump said his plan will call for middle class tax cuts and hikes for hedge fund managers.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/23/politics/donald-trump-tax-plan-south-carolina/index.html
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PositiveVibe
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法国空袭在叙利亚的ISIS了,难道不是俄国先?
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luckyso
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法国空袭在叙利亚的ISIS了,难道不是俄国先?
PositiveVibe 发表于 9/27/2015 10:23:23 AM

被难民潮逼的?以前西方一定要阿萨德下台,现在看立场松动有点要和俄罗斯联合的意思,看最后美国松不松口?