“Recently the administration of the medical school made a presentation to the faculty and only 49% of 3rd year UCLA students have taken Step 1 as of January 2024. This is a shockingly low number and it suggests that a large percentage of the class is worried about failing the exam. This is even more concerning since it is a pass fail exam, a school that is supposedly a top 10 medical school should have an extremely small number of students who can’t pass this exam which has a high pass rate.”
“Even more concerning is their performance on the shelf exams during the clinical year. After every rotation (ie peds, surgery, IM) the students take a national exam that tests the material from the rotation. To pass this exam you need to score in 5% of all students in the county who take this exam. It is a fairly low bar that one would think everyone could pass. I was shocked to see the data recently from the medical school, close to 50% of UCLA students have failed one of these exams. In addition 24% of the current 3rd year UCLA students have failed one of the shelf exams more than three times. For these 24% of student"
”A few years ago the medical school made some major changes to the curriculum, essentially the two preclinical years were cut down to one year.“
"Some professors are now claiming that this emphasis on diversity has led to less qualified student cohorts who are struggling academically. And UCLA has fallen in national rankings from #6 to #18 and is seeing a significant rise in the number of students failing standardized tests. "
"Basically, Jennifer Lucero's management style and focus on diversity is causing significant internal drama. Some faculty and admissions officers have resigned from the admission committee in protest, alleging racially charged accusations (like insinuating someone is racist if they don't agree to admitting more minority students) and a refusal to address concerns about declining academic standards. And so the medical school has shrunk its preclinical curriculum and introduced courses focusing on social issues, which some professors believe are detracting from essential medical education, while others believe it's important."
I am a faculty member at UCLA and while this is my first post I think everyone will quickly understand why I want to remain anonymous. I also realize that when someone posts something like this as their first post everyone should be openly skeptical of the post and try to understand what motives the poster has. My motives are simple, I think the administration at UCLA medical school have made some major changes to the curriculum that are detrimental to the medical school and the students. If you are applying to UCLA just ask the students and you can decide for myself if there is any truth in what I am posting.
A few years ago the medical school made some major changes to the curriculum, essentially the two preclinical years were cut down to one year. For those of us who went through medical school these two years are difficult and there is a great deal to learn in this time. The thought was to cut out the waste and focus on the key topics, I can say without a doubt this has been a colossal failure. The residents and faculty I work with have noticed a dramatic decrease in the knowledge of the medical students since this change. Most medical schools still have two years of pre-clinical curriculum and then as a third year student you start your clinical rotations and then the 4th year is primarily based on specialty rotations and applying to your chosen field. While many people can argue if this is the ideal model for teaching medical students, I can tell you with certainty it is better than what UCLA has done. UCLA decided to cram the two years of pre-clinical courses into one year. Then the 2nd year students do their clinical rotations, the third year is an “discovery year” where students can do anything they want and then they return as 4th year students for the typical 4th year rotations.
It’s true that the UCLA entering medical school class has become more diverse over time. Figures issued by UCLA and published by the Beacon show that from 2019 through 2022, the number of whites in the 173-member class declined to 46 from 49, the number of Black students rose to 25 from 22, Hispanic students rose from 25 to 37, a catchall “other” category grew to 20 from eight, and American Indians, Hawaiians and other Pacific Islanders went from zero to three. The number of Asian students declined to 55 from 84.
UCLA Medical School in Crisis | Student Doctor Network
“Recently the administration of the medical school made a presentation to the faculty and only 49% of 3rd year UCLA students have taken Step 1 as of January 2024. This is a shockingly low number and it suggests that a large percentage of the class is worried about failing the exam. This is even more concerning since it is a pass fail exam, a school that is supposedly a top 10 medical school should have an extremely small number of students who can’t pass this exam which has a high pass rate.”
“Even more concerning is their performance on the shelf exams during the clinical year. After every rotation (ie peds, surgery, IM) the students take a national exam that tests the material from the rotation. To pass this exam you need to score in 5% of all students in the county who take this exam. It is a fairly low bar that one would think everyone could pass. I was shocked to see the data recently from the medical school, close to 50% of UCLA students have failed one of these exams. In addition 24% of the current 3rd year UCLA students have failed one of the shelf exams more than three times. For these 24% of student"
”A few years ago the medical school made some major changes to the curriculum, essentially the two preclinical years were cut down to one year.“
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其他學校也有改成一年的 怎麽就沒這問題呢
問題大概是從DEI來的
Regarding UCLA Medical School's admissions controversy and internal faculty drama : r/ucla
"Some professors are now claiming that this emphasis on diversity has led to less qualified student cohorts who are struggling academically. And UCLA has fallen in national rankings from #6 to #18 and is seeing a significant rise in the number of students failing standardized tests. "
"Basically, Jennifer Lucero's management style and focus on diversity is causing significant internal drama. Some faculty and admissions officers have resigned from the admission committee in protest, alleging racially charged accusations (like insinuating someone is racist if they don't agree to admitting more minority students) and a refusal to address concerns about declining academic standards. And so the medical school has shrunk its preclinical curriculum and introduced courses focusing on social issues, which some professors believe are detracting from essential medical education, while others believe it's important."
要考这么多试？
不通过不一定是好医生啊。
有人会看病不会考试吧。
沒通過的可能連醫生都當不了
好医生被剥夺机会了？
赤脚医生也有很棒的
老中医也基本是自学成才。
2025年match得不错
https://medschool.ucla.edu/sites/g/files/oketem456/files/media/documents/2025_match_list_-_for_website_v3.pdf
white students dropped 16% and hispanic/latinos increased 40%
是可以在实践当中慢慢学的。
历史文化造成，学生是无辜的。 用考试刷人不公平不人道。他们都是好医生。 墨西哥人的寿命不比美国人短
1. step1 這個全國統一的考試本來就是P/F 全美的醫學院都一樣 怎麽其他醫學院就沒這問題 就UCLA到了M3 還有一半人不敢去考呢
2. rotation完的每個單元的考試叫Shelf exam, 這個也是全國統一的考試 好像每個學校自己決定考多少percentile算Pass
UCLA貌似高於全國5th percentile(也就是100個人只要贏4個就好了)就算pass了 就算這樣還有 50%的學生至少fail了一次， 24%的學生至少fail了三次
https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/ucla-medical-school-in-crisis.1494584/
I am a faculty member at UCLA and while this is my first post I think everyone will quickly understand why I want to remain anonymous. I also realize that when someone posts something like this as their first post everyone should be openly skeptical of the post and try to understand what motives the poster has. My motives are simple, I think the administration at UCLA medical school have made some major changes to the curriculum that are detrimental to the medical school and the students. If you are applying to UCLA just ask the students and you can decide for myself if there is any truth in what I am posting.
A few years ago the medical school made some major changes to the curriculum, essentially the two preclinical years were cut down to one year. For those of us who went through medical school these two years are difficult and there is a great deal to learn in this time. The thought was to cut out the waste and focus on the key topics, I can say without a doubt this has been a colossal failure. The residents and faculty I work with have noticed a dramatic decrease in the knowledge of the medical students since this change. Most medical schools still have two years of pre-clinical curriculum and then as a third year student you start your clinical rotations and then the 4th year is primarily based on specialty rotations and applying to your chosen field. While many people can argue if this is the ideal model for teaching medical students, I can tell you with certainty it is better than what UCLA has done. UCLA decided to cram the two years of pre-clinical courses into one year. Then the 2nd year students do their clinical rotations, the third year is an “discovery year” where students can do anything they want and then they return as 4th year students for the typical 4th year rotations.
的和医学生要受的教育根本没关系。
因为roations仅仅P/F, 没有honor; 平时压力小到Step2就很难拿高分. 我儿子大学同学MACT525,Step2居然只有253;
你有沒有看我貼的啊？
It’s true that the UCLA entering medical school class has become more diverse over time. Figures issued by UCLA and published by the Beacon show that from 2019 through 2022, the number of whites in the 173-member class declined to 46 from 49, the number of Black students rose to 25 from 22, Hispanic students rose from 25 to 37, a catchall “other” category grew to 20 from eight, and American Indians, Hawaiians and other Pacific Islanders went from zero to three. The number of Asian students declined to 55 from 84.
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最後match的大概135人？ 135/173好像有點低啊
平均520到516 差別大了 別以爲只是4分
https://mededits.com/medical-school-admissions/statistics/
Mcat 差一分，一个级别。
医学院排名有两种，一种是科研，另外一种是临床。如果不专门指出，一般来说指的是科研。所谓科研，一般指的是基础，或者偏基础的科研（因为更容易出论文）。进医学院的学生，绝大多数都是希望今后practice medicine，医学院的基础科研水平如何，对这些学生基本上没有任何现实和长远的意义。因为第一，医学院的课程和其他活动安排的满满当当的，就算是你对科研很有兴趣，你也没有时间去选其他的课（据我所知，很多学校根不就不开这样的课），其二，就算是你有一点空闲，亮你也不敢分心去选那些科研的课，因为决定你的命运的就是那两个考试，稍有闪失，你的前途可能就很不一样了，不要忘了你的竞争对手不是你们班上的同学，而是全国的医学院的学生（还有少量的外国学生）。医学院在录取的时候很注意政治正确（种族，性别，家庭背景，还有谁更会编故事，等等），但是到了residency match，这种考虑就少多了，所以进了医学院，不管医学院的好坏，大家都是一张白纸，都是从头开始，你去看一看每年residency match的结果，一大堆名不见经传的学校的学生进入顶尖的医院做住院医生。
这里有个误解，虽然Step 1 是F／P，但是在申请住院医生时，你的考试的percentile都要全部报过去的，而且一般说来最后决定的2／3都是来自于你Step 1 ／2的表现。
UC都差不多这样了
同学环境这么差，还是远离吧