第一次听到这个说法:可能于子女教育有关,华大基因的CEO尹烨说基因真正对人类健康,行为(包括经验)有贡献的

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gegenion
楼主 (文学城)

华大基因的CEO尹烨说基因真正对人类健康,行为(包括经验)有贡献的是还有性能力的老男人。不知道他说这话是有意制造轰动,还是有遗传学上的公认的道理?

 

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oryzivore
老年得子一般问题多。身体也不如头生子强壮
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ashouluo2012
嗯,精子会老化
大观园的贾探春
随着男性年龄增大,精子的随机变异也会增多,所生孩子的问题也会增多。见ChatGPT的解释:

Yes, sperm accumulates random mutations as a male ages. This is because sperm cells are continuously produced throughout a man’s life via spermatogenesis, a process involving numerous rounds of cell division. Each time a cell divides, there is a chance of DNA replication errors, leading to mutations.

 

Key Reasons for Mutation Accumulation in Sperm

1. Continuous Cell Divisions – Unlike eggs, which are formed before birth, sperm undergo ongoing replication. By the time a man reaches 40, his sperm-producing stem cells have undergone hundreds of divisions, increasing the likelihood of mutations.

2. Replication Errors – DNA polymerase, the enzyme responsible for copying DNA, makes occasional errors, some of which are not corrected by repair mechanisms.

3. Oxidative Stress – With aging, increased oxidative stress in the testes can cause DNA damage in sperm.

4. Telomere Shortening – While sperm telomeres tend to lengthen with age, certain genetic stability mechanisms may decline, contributing to mutation risks.

 

Effects of Accumulated Mutations

• Increased Risk of Genetic Disorders – Older fathers have a higher likelihood of passing on de novo mutations, which can contribute to conditions like autism, schizophrenia, and certain congenital disorders.

• Reduced Sperm Quality – DNA fragmentation and chromosomal abnormalities may increase, potentially affecting fertility.

 

Conclusion

 

Yes, sperm accumulates random mutations as men age due to the continuous cell divisions and environmental factors. While many mutations are harmless, some can increase the risk of genetic conditions in offspring.

 
凊荷
不明白,对一个男人,老了以后基因会变化?

年轻时候和老了以后,一个人的基因不一样?

脑洞大开

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oryzivore
还有基因印记的问题
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oryzivore
你再gpt 下甲基化的影响
大观园的贾探春
精子的基因会累积random mutations。里面是ChatGPT的解释:

Yes, sperm accumulates random mutations as a male ages. This is because sperm cells are continuously produced throughout a man’s life via spermatogenesis, a process involving numerous rounds of cell division. Each time a cell divides, there is a chance of DNA replication errors, leading to mutations.

 

Key Reasons for Mutation Accumulation in Sperm

1. Continuous Cell Divisions – Unlike eggs, which are formed before birth, sperm undergo ongoing replication. By the time a man reaches 40, his sperm-producing stem cells have undergone hundreds of divisions, increasing the likelihood of mutations.

2. Replication Errors – DNA polymerase, the enzyme responsible for copying DNA, makes occasional errors, some of which are not corrected by repair mechanisms.

3. Oxidative Stress – With aging, increased oxidative stress in the testes can cause DNA damage in sperm.

4. Telomere Shortening – While sperm telomeres tend to lengthen with age, certain genetic stability mechanisms may decline, contributing to mutation risks.

 

Effects of Accumulated Mutations

• Increased Risk of Genetic Disorders – Older fathers have a higher likelihood of passing on de novo mutations, which can contribute to conditions like autism, schizophrenia, and certain congenital disorders.

• Reduced Sperm Quality – DNA fragmentation and chromosomal abnormalities may increase, potentially affecting fertility.

 

Conclusion

 

Yes, sperm accumulates random mutations as men age due to the continuous cell divisions and environmental factors. While many mutations are harmless, some can increase the risk of genetic conditions in offspring.

 
凊荷
那也是越变越坏
大观园的贾探春
这是ChatGPT的回答:

As males age, sperm DNA methylation patterns change, impacting sperm quality and potentially affecting offspring health. DNA methylation is an epigenetic modification where a methyl group (-CH₃) is added to DNA, usually at cytosine bases in CpG sites, regulating gene expression without altering the DNA sequence.

 

Effects of Aging on Sperm DNA Methylation

1. Global Hypomethylation –

• Older sperm tend to exhibit decreased overall DNA methylation, which can lead to genomic instability and increased mutation rates.

• Hypomethylation in repetitive elements (e.g., LINE-1, Alu) may increase the risk of DNA damage and chromosomal abnormalities.

2. Hypermethylation in Key Genes –

• Certain imprinted genes (e.g., IGF2, H19, MEG3) show hypermethylation, which can disrupt normal embryonic development and increase the risk of imprinting disorders.

• Improper methylation in genes involved in spermatogenesis can reduce sperm production and motility.

3. Oxidative Stress and Methylation Dysregulation –

• Aging leads to increased oxidative stress in the testes, which can interfere with the enzymes responsible for maintaining proper DNA methylation patterns (e.g., DNMTs).

• This results in epigenetic drift, causing variations in methylation patterns that may impair sperm function.

4. Impact on Offspring Health –

• Aberrant sperm DNA methylation has been linked to autism, schizophrenia, congenital disorders, and increased risks of metabolic diseases in children.

• Epigenetic changes in sperm can be heritable, meaning that even if the DNA sequence remains unchanged, abnormal methylation patterns may be passed to offspring.

 

Conclusion

 

As males age, sperm DNA methylation becomes less stable, with both hypomethylation (leading to genomic instability) and hypermethylation (affecting key gene regulation). These changes contribute to reduced sperm quality, lower fertility, and increased risks of genetic and developmental disorders in offspring.

 
大观园的贾探春
是越变越坏。
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tidytiger
我不太信任这个人,没听过这个talk,但听过一些别的,不太像真正踏实做学位的。我知道

2011,2012左右有文章研究过父亲年龄对子女的影响,那个study size比较小,但结论是父亲年龄越大,子女有精神疾病和自闭症等发病越高。父亲越年轻,相应的risk越小。

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STEMkid
真能瞎扯。精子一直在造,也不能存活很久,差不多总是新的。相比之下,卵子就那么多,老女人生孩子不健康的几率大。男人没啥关系
飞黎
所以CHATgpT不能信,精子分化过程很复杂,一级一级的,年纪大的人有活力的精子百分比是小了,但是受精只需要一个好的精子

能受精的精子质量一般没有问题

我觉得这个link里面说的比较靠谱,

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%B2%BE%E5%8E%9F%E7%BB%86%E8%83%9E

成功的兔
+1,我学的是这版本
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zaocha2002
他是不是认为人体基因突变 老男人经历智慧社会阅历丰富,对精子里带的某种智慧基因多了?
两女宝妈
卵子难道不是一直在造的?难道女婴出生的时候一辈子的卵子都已经存在了?我是外行,好奇一问啊
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oryzivore
甲基化影响不重要?
成功的兔
卵子个数是固定的,青春期后开始减少
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oryzivore
不是基因突变。是基因甲基化的影响。基因并未突变
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gegenion
似乎这是这个视频里他要表达的观点,智慧随年龄而增长然后积累在老男人的精子里遗传下去。我不懂的是智慧如何能编码到精子里的?
飞黎
出生时的大约500个卵子就是一个女人一生所拥有的卵子,每次例假损失一个,用完以后就绝经了,捐卵的人一次弄出来几十个

所以很伤身体

成功的兔
怎么引起甲基化?小声说:我没点开视频哈,相对喜欢阅读文字或图片
羊爸兔妈
不知道。我知道三个家庭,男人late 40,女人比较年轻,孩子自闭。也有夫妻都是40+,孩子很健康。
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gegenion
这个说法还说的过去:基因编码没变,只是更多的基因甲基化。 这个甲基化能传下去吗?
两女宝妈
我主要想知道这些固定数量的卵子都是一次造出来的吗?都是青春期前已经成熟的储存在卵巢内了吗?如果不是,那也很难说年龄大的女

性卵子质量一定差;如果是,那卵子后期差的原因就是因为放置太久的缘故?

 

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oryzivore
和这个视频无关。抽烟酗酒之类压力都会影响甲基化吧
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STEMkid
没有数据证据说对婴儿有影响吧
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oryzivore
我很久不关心了。你可以google下天使人综合症
凊荷
自闭和父母年龄没关
两女宝妈
逻辑上不靠谱啊。也许可以这样理解:智慧的积累让人不断做着对健康更好的调整,这种调整让身体从细胞层面变得更加优质

进而影响精子的质量

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zaocha2002
他之前在圆桌派和窦文涛的吧得吧过 我听了一耳朵,好像意思人体会有基因小变化随着时间推移,这个智慧上的可能写入代码。但我觉

得老男人肯定身体上的问题也会复制粘贴,对小孩的健康有不好影响。

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zaocha2002
所以甲基化可遗传?
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tidytiger
是的fetus使就形成了,以后只会减少。详见下面20 weeks: A fetus typically has 6–7

million eggs Birth: A newborn typically has 1–2 million eggs Puberty: A girl typically has 300,000–500,000 eggs。女性成熟的卵子一般400-500左右,因为每个月是随机从众多(这个随年龄减少十几到几十都有可能)选出一个能够成熟。

两女宝妈
哈哈哈,基因的变化怎么可能用几十年作为单位呢
羊爸兔妈
我没研究过这个,不过这几个家庭的哥哥姐姐都正常。也许有机率的差别
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oryzivore
你查一下genomic imprinting
幸福象花儿一样
我听过他这一期,但他说的“贡献” 更确切地说是"影响“。随着年龄的增长,基因突变的概率增高,所以老男人的精子会影响人类
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zaocha2002
好 谢谢
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zaocha2002
印记印记
成功的兔
是,出生时。有卵子变异概率曲线,在~30后急剧上升
两女宝妈
那捐卵子的女性会因为卵子提前用完了就更早更年期吗?还是绝经和卵子有没有没啥关系?
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HappyWed
老男人对子女教育的主要贡献是钱多了,性情温和亲善耐心些,相对于年轻时的主要优势是在后天育儿上
成功的兔
对,所以我反对捐卵冻卵
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wlwt123
孔子,胡适的老爸都是老年得子。
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phobos
希特勒也是
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sanshengshishang2
这个华大基因的老板,做节目的主要目的,就是推广各种疫苗....坏透了!
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sgbigsell
人类要突破,就靠基因突变了,老男人有这优势。代价是,同时会产生很多不好的基因突变。