偶然在reddit看到这一帖， 觉得有些information或许对今年申请的学生和家长有点启发， 虽然对land grant这部分有些不太准确，不过这是trivial的一个方面, because 大部分申请的是CAS和ENG。 去年录取率只有5.39%和6.12%。 贴中拿P的录取率作比较， 可以说已经很逼近了。CAS录取率低于P整个学校录取率。 ENG稍微高一点. class 2026 P1500，康CAS1130. 所以该ED的不要犹豫。 我把回帖提出来。很fun to read， 写的人是S毕业的, but a Cornell Dad。 Enjoy!
原帖: Bro is complaining about cornell
There’s this girl in my english class going to cornell. She was literally complaining about how some of her friends are going to schools like brown, penn, and columbia and how those are not the “worst ivy” Like bro wants to transfer from cornell and she hasn’t even started college yet
wtf is wrong with some of these ppl
回帖：by Kitchen-Taste-4643
Worst Ivy, that’s funny. Pass this on to her:
Is a university really better simply because it is more selective, regardless of why?
Here are some recent admissions stats: *Harvard: 3.1% *Yale: 4.4% *Princeton: 5.7% *Cornell: 7.2%
But Cornell admits by College: * College of Agriculture and Life Sciences: 12.88% * College of Architecture, Art, and Planning: 8.10% * College of Arts and Sciences (CAS): 5.39% * SC Johnson College of Business: 4.17% * College of Engineering: 6.12% * School of Hotel Administration: 16.47% * College of Human Ecology: 15.70% * Industrial and Labor Relations (ILR): 18.26%
So the largest college at Cornell (CAS) is technically more selective than Princeton, albeit barely. Let’s call them comparable. My kid is a physics/math major in CAS, so I guess I could just stop there and revel in the pretension.
But now let’s look at how Cornell’s other colleges place in the rankings: -Agriculture: Ranked #1 Nationally -Architecture: Ranked #3 or better Nationally, #1 in Ivy League -Business: Ranked #13 Nationally, #5 in Ivy League. -Engineering: Ranked #13 Nationally, #1 in Ivy League -Hotel Admin: Ranked #1 Nationally -Human Ecology: Ranked #1 Nationally -ILR: Ranked #1 Nationally
Yes, Cornell’s Hotel Admin program is statistically ~5x less selective than Harvard, and its USNWR ranking takes a hit because of it! But if you are a student there, do you care? Presumably you want to know how to run a hotel, and you are in one of the best places in the world to learn how to do that.
So what would Princeton’s College of Agriculture ranking be? Who knows? Perhaps not too bad (Garden State and all…), but the point is that it doesn’t have one.
If you are obsessed with prestige for prestige’s sake, you might conclude that many of Cornell’s highly-ranked albeit less selective programs aren’t particularly important because the subject matter is too utilitarian or “blue collar.” You may feel that Cornell admitting into Agriculture at 12.88% would dilute the value of your 5.39% CAS diploma. But I don’t think Cornell cares too much about that, as long as it is fulfilling its academic mission to teach anything to anyone who is capable of learning it.
?Cornell is a decidedly forward-thinking, egalitarian university that has been traditionally more strongly influenced by 19th century American pragmatism than the other Ivies, who were all founded during English colonialism. If her point is that Cornell feels qualitatively different than the other Ivies, that is true; it is the easiest to separate as "different" than the others.
Yes, there is no denying that Cornell identity carries undertones of old-school privilege as well. But Cornell has always been interested in advancing all forms of knowledge regardless of stigma, including applied science and engineering. In that way, it is much more historically similar to Stanford than the other Ivies are. This is no coincidence, Cornell and Stanford were founded a mere 2 decades apart; Leland Stanford modeled his university largely after Cornell, the campuses were designed by the same architect, and David Star Jordan (Stanford’s first president) and a large fraction of the first Stanford faculty were all Cornell-affiliated.
Don’t get me wrong, I think the other Ivies are each great in their own ways. I was at Yale for postgraduate training, and I loved the camaraderie there and found most of my colleagues and teachers surprisingly humble. I’ve been at Penn for over a decade, and admire Ben Franklin’s university immensely. Princeton is beautiful. A few of my closest colleagues are Harvard grads, and they are incredibly talented and surprisingly chill. Ivy league schools are all pretty great, although they by no means have a monopoly on that.
But Cornell is sometimes considered a “lesser” Ivy owed to factors that I believe are many of its greatest strengths, namely:
Having a shorter history that that has always focused on individual merit, Cornell is less supplicant to the American aristocracy than many of the other Ivies are.
Cornell has always considered women and men equals, which is not true for the others; I am sure that many men attending Harvard (1977), Yale (1969), Princeton (1969), and Columbia (1983!) felt that the addition of women to the student body made their university less "prestigious." You read that correct, Star Wars and co-ed Harvard are the same age. Cornell has been co-ed since 1872.
Cornell is “too hard” and suffers grade deflation. For one thing, all Ivies can be pretty hard. For another thing, this tells me that a Cornell degree actually has some value (see individual merit, #1).
Size. As the global population has increased and the number of qualified applicants have exceed the capacity of “elite” universities to accommodate them, Cornell’s larger class size has been able train more people — while still managing to matriculate kids with 4.0 GPAs and 1500+ SAT scores. Let’s check back in a few decades and see how graduating double the number of top-percentile students than any other Ivy (save Penn) works out for them.
Its land grant status gives it access to additional resources and a broader mission in applied sciences. Yes, it is almost a private-public hybrid, and “public” is a dirty word for many. But it also means that Cornell has a unique culture that borrows from (IMHO) many of the best aspects of both worlds. Are you looking for a Stanford-like Ivy League university that has structural similarities to other land-grant schools like Berkeley and MIT? Hmm, I don't think there are a lot of choices out there.
Cornell’s wilderness location and enormous campus gives it a much more ivory tower feel and immersive experience than most other Ivies, except maybe Dartmouth. My kid says it feels like being at a real-world Hogwarts. Yes, that is a bit isolating as well; it is intellectual immersion. But Cornell also has opportunities at multiple satellite campuses in NYC, which rumor has it is a pretty big city.
That having said, do I think Cornell is “better” than Harvard? No, of course not. But not because USNWR. Not because Harvard>>Yale>Princeton>>Columbia>>Penn>>Brown>Dartmouth>Cornell, or whatever.
And I think in the long run, Cornell will be on the right side of history about many things that they currently get crap for, including traits that detrimentally influence the pseudo-objective college rankings.
Some unsolicited advice; find places where you think you’ll thrive, rather than based on arbitrary numbers. There is no substitute for doing your own research, taking charge of your own life, and making the most of any opportunity given to you. Now is a good time to start.
偶然在reddit看到这一帖， 觉得有些information或许对今年申请的学生和家长有点启发， 虽然对land grant这部分有些不太准确，不过这是trivial的一个方面, because 大部分申请的是CAS和ENG。 去年录取率只有5.39%和6.12%。 贴中拿P的录取率作比较， 可以说已经很逼近了。CAS录取率低于P整个学校录取率。 ENG稍微高一点. class 2026 P1500，康CAS1130. 所以该ED的不要犹豫。 我把回帖提出来。很fun to read， 写的人是S毕业的, but a Cornell Dad。 Enjoy!
原帖: Bro is complaining about cornellThere’s this girl in my english class going to cornell. She was literally complaining about how some of her friends are going to schools like brown, penn, and columbia and how those are not the “worst ivy” Like bro wants to transfer from cornell and she hasn’t even started college yet
wtf is wrong with some of these ppl
回帖：by Kitchen-Taste-4643
Worst Ivy, that’s funny. Pass this on to her:
Is a university really better simply because it is more selective, regardless of why?
Here are some recent admissions stats:
*Harvard: 3.1%
*Yale: 4.4%
*Princeton: 5.7%
*Cornell: 7.2%
But Cornell admits by College:
* College of Agriculture and Life Sciences: 12.88%
* College of Architecture, Art, and Planning: 8.10%
* College of Arts and Sciences (CAS): 5.39%
* SC Johnson College of Business: 4.17%
* College of Engineering: 6.12%
* School of Hotel Administration: 16.47%
* College of Human Ecology: 15.70%
* Industrial and Labor Relations (ILR): 18.26%
So the largest college at Cornell (CAS) is technically more selective than Princeton, albeit barely. Let’s call them comparable. My kid is a physics/math major in CAS, so I guess I could just stop there and revel in the pretension.
But now let’s look at how Cornell’s other colleges place in the rankings:
-Agriculture: Ranked #1 Nationally
-Architecture: Ranked #3 or better Nationally, #1 in Ivy League
-Business: Ranked #13 Nationally, #5 in Ivy League.
-Engineering: Ranked #13 Nationally, #1 in Ivy League
-Hotel Admin: Ranked #1 Nationally
-Human Ecology: Ranked #1 Nationally
-ILR: Ranked #1 Nationally
Yes, Cornell’s Hotel Admin program is statistically ~5x less selective than Harvard, and its USNWR ranking takes a hit because of it! But if you are a student there, do you care? Presumably you want to know how to run a hotel, and you are in one of the best places in the world to learn how to do that.
So what would Princeton’s College of Agriculture ranking be? Who knows? Perhaps not too bad (Garden State and all…), but the point is that it doesn’t have one.
If you are obsessed with prestige for prestige’s sake, you might conclude that many of Cornell’s highly-ranked albeit less selective programs aren’t particularly important because the subject matter is too utilitarian or “blue collar.” You may feel that Cornell admitting into Agriculture at 12.88% would dilute the value of your 5.39% CAS diploma. But I don’t think Cornell cares too much about that, as long as it is fulfilling its academic mission to teach anything to anyone who is capable of learning it.
?Cornell is a decidedly forward-thinking, egalitarian university that has been traditionally more strongly influenced by 19th century American pragmatism than the other Ivies, who were all founded during English colonialism. If her point is that Cornell feels qualitatively different than the other Ivies, that is true; it is the easiest to separate as "different" than the others.
Yes, there is no denying that Cornell identity carries undertones of old-school privilege as well. But Cornell has always been interested in advancing all forms of knowledge regardless of stigma, including applied science and engineering. In that way, it is much more historically similar to Stanford than the other Ivies are. This is no coincidence, Cornell and Stanford were founded a mere 2 decades apart; Leland Stanford modeled his university largely after Cornell, the campuses were designed by the same architect, and David Star Jordan (Stanford’s first president) and a large fraction of the first Stanford faculty were all Cornell-affiliated.
Don’t get me wrong, I think the other Ivies are each great in their own ways. I was at Yale for postgraduate training, and I loved the camaraderie there and found most of my colleagues and teachers surprisingly humble. I’ve been at Penn for over a decade, and admire Ben Franklin’s university immensely. Princeton is beautiful. A few of my closest colleagues are Harvard grads, and they are incredibly talented and surprisingly chill. Ivy league schools are all pretty great, although they by no means have a monopoly on that.
But Cornell is sometimes considered a “lesser” Ivy owed to factors that I believe are many of its greatest strengths, namely:
Having a shorter history that that has always focused on individual merit, Cornell is less supplicant to the American aristocracy than many of the other Ivies are.
Cornell has always considered women and men equals, which is not true for the others; I am sure that many men attending Harvard (1977), Yale (1969), Princeton (1969), and Columbia (1983!) felt that the addition of women to the student body made their university less "prestigious." You read that correct, Star Wars and co-ed Harvard are the same age. Cornell has been co-ed since 1872.
Cornell is “too hard” and suffers grade deflation. For one thing, all Ivies can be pretty hard. For another thing, this tells me that a Cornell degree actually has some value (see individual merit, #1).
Size. As the global population has increased and the number of qualified applicants have exceed the capacity of “elite” universities to accommodate them, Cornell’s larger class size has been able train more people — while still managing to matriculate kids with 4.0 GPAs and 1500+ SAT scores. Let’s check back in a few decades and see how graduating double the number of top-percentile students than any other Ivy (save Penn) works out for them.
Its land grant status gives it access to additional resources and a broader mission in applied sciences. Yes, it is almost a private-public hybrid, and “public” is a dirty word for many. But it also means that Cornell has a unique culture that borrows from (IMHO) many of the best aspects of both worlds. Are you looking for a Stanford-like Ivy League university that has structural similarities to other land-grant schools like Berkeley and MIT? Hmm, I don't think there are a lot of choices out there.
Cornell’s wilderness location and enormous campus gives it a much more ivory tower feel and immersive experience than most other Ivies, except maybe Dartmouth. My kid says it feels like being at a real-world Hogwarts. Yes, that is a bit isolating as well; it is intellectual immersion. But Cornell also has opportunities at multiple satellite campuses in NYC, which rumor has it is a pretty big city.
That having said, do I think Cornell is “better” than Harvard? No, of course not. But not because USNWR. Not because Harvard>>Yale>Princeton>>Columbia>>Penn>>Brown>Dartmouth>Cornell, or whatever.
And I think in the long run, Cornell will be on the right side of history about many things that they currently get crap for, including traits that detrimentally influence the pseudo-objective college rankings.
Some unsolicited advice; find places where you think you’ll thrive, rather than based on arbitrary numbers. There is no substitute for doing your own research, taking charge of your own life, and making the most of any opportunity given to you. Now is a good time to start.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/143ugpi/bro_is_complaining_about_cornell/
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真不容易，昨天Pollack跑到Hotel West Hollywood跟西岸校友联络感情化缘来了
🛋️ 沙发板凳
国内机构太会钻营了
能看得懂的，或者有耐心能看得下去的群众可能不多
我瞎猜的
纽约高中相比外州进CAS有无优势？
我朋友娃NYU没录进了康的农业系
private $65204
Endowed Ithaca
Architecture, Art and Planning; Arts and Sciences; Engineering; Hotel Administration
Contract - New York State Resident
Agriculture and Life Sciences; Human Ecology; Industrial and Labor Relations
据说NYU 还有录取率30%的专业LOL
premed哪个专业都可以。 纽约孩子一般去那几个学院读一个生物等专业，就可以premed。四年省十万银子
最准确。
统计与数据科学；计算生物学；Dyson应用经济学和管理。不知道这些专业与传统的农业专业录取有没有区别？
be careful， 15。7%是整体录取， 纽约孩子容易， 外州不容易， 就是纽约比这高，外州比这低。
A+不是regular grade
是honor grade， 很少。
<5%. 听院长在家长会上说的录取人数和申请人数，换算一下不到5%
会不会相对容易一点，曲线升学！
我是不是聪明过度了？
潮起潮落，都是有USNEWS惹得祸
里面好多纽约市私立学校的学生，好多legacy，康的legacy就集中在这里了。
有人拿到沃顿的，但是有钱人有选择自由。更何况政治世家有他们的考量。
eng 需要物理化学之类，CAS需要外语等。ＣＳ课一样要求一起上课
他主要还学数学，所以进的是CAS
女娃可能eng 容易些，男娃可能CAS。不过我猜的，没数据支持
整天跟着小孩屁股后面去认NBA的明星
比录取率纯数字没太大意义， 因为申请的pool不一样，可以说很不一样
GPA的区别都在小数点之后!奥数比赛那才几个人，而且还都是几个中国人玩的。这年头还真没有人敢说，申请哪个学校就能囊中取物，手到擒来的！还不都是大撒网的
没有不申请的。不过比这些意义不大吧，人家纽约的富人大概不屑沃顿的pool呢。你的pool不是想象的那样。
不是人人对T5 跪拜。就跟你说的富人不屑沃顿一样。跪久了的，不习惯别人不跪。
以前有些学校GPA第一的孩子上T5，现在居然听说GPA第一的孩子上GTech, 你说他们不申请康，EA/ED没有能不申请？我都不信了。现在这个世道谁说的清？
他们有其他考量，好多人上小的LAC，也不是知名那种，学习也可以，他们说有朋友父母上过，就是喜欢。
顶尖的没多少，pool的重合率在90% 以上。录取的学生智力区别很小，从P的CS 毕业去向就看出来了。
他们现在满难录取的。
那些contract school才是，因为本专业课轻松，容易集中精力提高GPA还有其他课外的Research。CAS的孩子太容易distracted。
REA进T5的，去掉运动员，人数非常有限。