有钱出钱, 没钱的免费。你讲了两个极端, 然后中间数量巨大的中产呢?

和气客气
楼主 (文学城)

以加州为例,中间收入是7万7, 扣掉税, 算6万。加大的多数校园,学费加生活费用4万多。

对中间收入的家庭, 可能有一些资助(资助中的贷款不算资助)。算自己付3万。

你来说说: 一个净收入6万的家庭,付3万大学学费, 这还不贵?

 

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tibuko
确实学费是中产的痛。在藤校被学费劝退的老美,我见得多了;藤校毕业,学生债多少年还不清的,我也见得多了。
农村出来的博士后
哎,我老人家科普了这么多年,就对你这样的家长完全没有用啊。。。

七万七的收入,房子上20万的equity,你的EFC大约两万不到。。。另外,这种情况尽量申请有钱的私校,可能连生活费都包了,当然要算好,把税表上的收入压到65000以下。。。

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violinpiano
為什麽IRA的要加回收入算EFC 意思就是說讓你那幾年別投IRA了 拿來付學費 這樣就一定付得起了

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Rockeymountain
你报一下你的FAFSA的EFC。如果收入七万七只有少量存款投资没有投资房,你会很surprised。这是公校。

私校就更有可能一个子不掏或掏很少。

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fantasticdream
考私立

7万7估计最多出食宿费

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Rockeymountain
如果你有工资以外的其它收入拿不到多少FA,说明你可以支付学费。
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sji
7万5以下T20基本免学费和一部份生活费
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Rockeymountain
公立大学收入过十万基本没啥FA了。如果还是地主啥的,虽然明面收入低也是不行的。
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Rockeymountain
老美两端的多,有钱全付和有点钱自己享乐不愿付孩子学费的。后者就要贷款。
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borisg
资产5%每年打进EFC,所以有百万资产(房子,股票)的就别指望了。。
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fakegreen
好像还包laptop和出国旅费活动费,连taxi都包
凊荷
这样的家庭,如果四口人的话,是拿不出两万块钱供娃的

如果不提前存钱的话

凊荷
要看哪里的公校的

七万七很多地方拿不到钱

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Rockeymountain
嗯,可以先CC省两年钱,也可以贷款。看你有多大的desire去读这个大学。
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Rockeymountain
FAFSA是federal的。如果拿不到说明这个大学费用低于FAFSA的EFC。
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tibuko
没有全免,这里面本来就是要贷款一部分
凊荷
去CC很少

大部分还是住在家里,吃住父母承担,贷款然后打工,一年赚个一万款就过得去了,GameStop干这个活得很多大学生啊,这点多活一年能帮不少大学生呢

凊荷
这个是联邦的,给自助是学校的事儿
凊荷
节点底气哈

干脆他们之上HP,给钱最多

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Rockeymountain
有很多学生走这个路,我们高中一半以上毕业生去CC两年后转UC。家长都认为是最好的途径。
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tibuko
情况多了,首先他们本来就没有余钱,其次校园的开销远超学校的预算,再次离婚父母有不认帐的
凊荷
整体来说,CC毕竟人少太多了。
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Rockeymountain
但不意味着父母是低收入,他们消费观念和老中不同。我有限的接触中,收入三四十万的要孩子去CC的是多数。
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Rockeymountain
前提对小中来说。
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violinpiano
看怎麽算cost of attendance

除了學費和住宿餐費 學校可能把旅費 書費 零花費都算進去 COA

COA-EFC就是FA的數目

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tibuko
说的就是中产,按照EFC算法,是跟实际有出入的,按照实际收支,只有当年老刘和现在的农博能在预算内搞定。
凊荷
不是,美国人

大多数娃不愿去CC,边打工边上学的娃到处都是

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tibuko
然后收入三四十万要去CC,那就不只是一个不知道FA的问题了,因为EFC算法跟老美中产的生活成本是脱节的。
和气客气
加州房子EQUITY很多上50万
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Rockeymountain
如果供孩子大学和平时没啥两样大家就会都供了。肯定会紧张啊,像双琴说的别存退休金之类的。
和气客气
就是自住房一个, 百万的不多, EQUITY 50万的比比皆是
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Rockeymountain
哎,你知道收入三四十万的老美和老中的生活方式一样吗?
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violinpiano
但在IRA裏的資產不用算 自住房也不用算
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tibuko
举个例子,我第一年室友说凑钱买个起居室沙发,电视他已经贡献了,这FA上有吗?
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borisg
Private schools count primary residence in EFC
南侠
招的那些免费的学生基本是作样子,堵别人嘴的。基本上,美国的阶级已经固化,阶级流动非常困难。
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violinpiano
這樣沒一個老中可以拿的到了

雖然CSS會問 但不代表大學就把這個當資產用5.6%來算了 

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violinpiano
看我下面cost of attendance的解釋
农村出来的博士后
别偷懒,去敢兴趣的学校算算。

公立不算房子上的equity,别担心。很多私校也不算。去学校网站算,自己有把握,也不会耽误了自己的孩子。。。

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borisg
每个学校算法不同,一般只计入EQUTY中家庭收入若干倍的上限。详情如下:

Will Your Home Equity Hurt Financial Aid Chances?   Have you given any thought to how home equity might hurt your child’s chances for financial aid?

Luckily, at most state and private colleges and universities, the equity in your primary home is a non-issue.

That’s because most schools only require families to complete the FAFSA (Free Application for Federal Student Aid) when applying for financial aid, which doesn’t even ask about your home equity.

There are just over 200 schools, however, that are quite interested in the value of your house and how these institutions treat home equity varies dramatically.

The schools in this category (nearly all private) include the nation’s most prestigious institutions.  These colleges use an additional financial aid form called the CSS Profile.

Depending on how schools treat your home equity, your chances of getting financial aid could blow up while at other institutions your odds wouldn’t be jeopardized even if you are living in an exclusive zip code.

How Your House Can Impact Financial Aid

Many schools that assess home equity for financial aid purposes do so by linking it to the family’s income. For instance, a school might assess home equity at no more than two times the family’s income. Let’s look at an example of how this would work:

Family’s income: $60,000 Home equity: $400,000

Normally, the schools that use the PROFILE formula would assess the home equity (as well as other parental assets) at 5% for financial aid purposes.

  400,000 x 5% = $20,000

In this example, the home equity value would have boosted the expected family contribution (EFC) by $20,000 (a significant hit!) if the school didn’t link the home equity to income. Put another way, the home equity would have decreased a student’s chances for financial aid by $20,000.

By the way, if you don’t know what an EFC is, read this post:

Do You Know What Your EFC IS?

But now let’s look at what happens when the school ties the home equity assessment to no more than two times the family’s income of $60,000.

$60,000 x 2= $120,000

In this example, the school would only use $120,000 of home equity this family’s aid calculation.

120,000 x 5% = $6,000

So in this example, the parent’s EFC would rise $6,000 rather than $20,000.

How Individual Schools Treat Home Equity

If you hope to qualify for financial aid — and the more expensive the school the more likely you will – it’s important to know how individual schools treat home equity. To help you with this effort, I am sharing with you the following spreadsheet of the home-equity policies of more than 100 colleges:

Home Equity Spreadsheet

The spreadsheet comes courtesy of Paula Bishop, a friend of mine, who is a CPA in Bellevue, WA, and a financial aid expert. She contacted the schools about their home equity policies this summer, but keep in mind that schools can change how they assess home equity at any time so don’t just depend on this list.

Schools that Ignore Home Equity

As you’ll see from the list, some PROFILE schools don’t consider home equity at all, which is obviously the best scenario. Institutions in this smallest category include:

Bard College California Institute of Technology Cooper Union DePauw University George Washington University Hamilton College Harvard University Massachusetts Institute of Technology Princeton University University of Chicago University of Virginia Ursinus College Whitman College Schools That Hit Home Equity Hard

On the other extreme, some schools use the full weight of parents’ home equity to help determine financial need, which can seriously hurt aid changes.  Here are some examples:

American University Babson College Bentley College Boston College Emory University Holy Cross College Lehigh University Loyola University Maryland Northeastern University Sarah Lawrence College Tulane University

Some schools that take this draconian approach will consider parent appeals, but how many families even know this is a possibility? In fact, parents typically won’t even know why their aid packages seems so paltry.

It’s highly unlikely that parents are going to trace a poor award back to their home equity. But now everyone reading this knows this is a possibility and can appeal.

Schools That Limit Home Equity Hit

Other institutions use a home-equity cap that’s tied to the family income so it’s less likely that someone who is house rich, but cash poor will be penalized. The home-equity caps below range from 1% to 4%, which is a huge span.

Here are a few schools in this category:

Amherst College (1.2x) Barnard College (1.2x) Bucknell Univesity (2x) Cornell University (1.2x) Dartmouth College (1.2x) Emerson College (3x) Haverford College (1.2x) Kenyon College (4x) Lewis and Clark College (2x) Rice University (2x) Tufts University (2x) University of Rochester (3x) Vanderbilt University (2.4x) Wake Forest University (2x) Washington University, St. Louis (2.2x)
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violinpiano
這個表不錯 如果準的話

大部分紫檀的學校都是cap或不計 所以也影響不大了

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SerendipityA
就说明这些老美认为超高学费不值
三河匹夫
见过大城唐人街家庭,差校史上第一个上顶级藤,真正改变命运。这种在大藤不是绝无仅有的稀奇事。
原上草2017
扯!