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greenoasis
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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/09/even-coronavirus-cant-kill-sat-and-act/616360/

重点是我画的。

For most applicants, a test score alone doesn’t show admissions officers anything new. A 2011 national study found that some 60 percent of college applicants have test scores consistent with their academic performance in high school. The remaining students in that study, however, had a significant gap between the two metrics—either high test scores combined with low grades, or low test scores along with high grades. According to the study, female applicants along with Black and Latino students are more likely to have higher GPAs and lower test scores. Meanwhile, students—especially boys—who come from families that make more than $100,000 a year and whose parents have graduate degrees are more likely to have lower GPAs and higher SAT scores.

Researchers found that many students who have relatively low GPAs compared with their SAT scores take more rigorous courses in high school. The reverse is true for students who have high GPAs, but low test scores. This is why selective colleges often suggest that teenagers focus more on taking the toughest courses they can in high school, and less on prepping for the SAT.

再看看Holistic是怎么拒掉一个高分孩子的。我怎么看不太明白他们在找什么?这孩子要是干脆报undecided是不是就稳进?

High test scores don’t guarantee admission, as I saw one morning while observing application reviews at Emory University in January 2019. Lupe Monterreso, the admissions officer I was sitting with, opened an application and set the timer on her iPhone. Seven minutes. When the alert went off, it was a gentle reminder to move on to the next file.

As Monterreso pored over the student’s transcript, she did a double take. She wasn’t familiar with the high school, and the senior class was much bigger than she was used to seeing, about 1,000 students. This applicant ranked No. 3.

The student had taken more than a dozen AP courses and earned nearly a 4.0 GPA. Her lowest grade in high school was a 91—in ninth grade. The applicant’s SAT score? A near-perfect 1570.

Monterreso asked her colleague Nicole Dancz for an evaluation of the applicant’s extracurricular activities. The grades, curriculum, and test scores were among the strongest they would probably see that day. If the selection process were conducted by a computer programmed to look only at the numbers, this student would have been an automatic acceptance. But Monterreso and Dancz were reminded of something their boss told them often: Academic metrics are important, but they are not everything.

The applicant had solid activities—band, National Honor Society, tutoring—but they read more as a checklist, without a sense of deep commitment to any one in particular. Although the student said she wanted to be a doctor, she had “no activities related to premed.” Monterreso  suggested scoring her a three out of five for activities. Dancz wanted to knock it down to a two.

Dancz turned to the essay. The applicant had written about conquering the slide on the playground as a child. “A missed opportunity,” she said. “We didn’t learn much about her.”

Monterreso typed a few notes in the file, and then came to routing the application. “Great kiddo. Incredibly smart,” she told Dancz. Emory accepts almost half of students with credentials like this one’s, but the application illustrated the vagaries of admissions: No special combination of attributes exists that guarantees acceptance. “I’m okay with ‘deny,’” Monterreso said. And that’s where the girl with nearly a 4.0 GPA and an almost perfect SAT score ended up.

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Zinfandel
把米国名校录取类比于我党选人大代表与政协委员,这样就容易理解多了
加州阳光123
是不是EC 和 Essay killed it?

EC 没有和 premed 相关联,Essay 也没有体现出对学医的兴趣或学医所需要的潜质?

成功的兔
成绩过关了,EC不够强,essay没有体现特色。。。需要表达出 grit,通过 EC 结果 或 essay 描述 ?
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greenoasis
肯定是这两样的问题。但是这学校又不是T5.所以我说她要是申请undecided 是不是就行了?

EC有band, tutoring, NHS,大概就是members, 没有领导岗位。

我感觉这孩子没有人指点。老老实实的,不会玩录取游戏,所以完蛋了。但是看到AO这种审阅过程,真的让人无语。又不是哈佛,至于吗。

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greenoasis
但是我不知道我党怎么选啊。lol
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greenoasis
这孩子找紫檀AO包装一下估计就进了。找花钱的AO包装一下大概能T20
祝马到成功
你家是今年申请吗?老紫檀了怎么还在研究这些 :)
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greenoasis
很少看到这种实况转播的案例
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POTPRC
Emory居然也这么拽。这女孩最后肯定去了更好的学校
姜申
州大不会也这么拽吧?
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gladys
就是
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greenoasis
我都怀疑这是不是就是传说中的over qualified 被拒?她不但1570, 还排名3/1000.还有十几门AP

我都怀疑这是不是一个小中啊。

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amiyumi
文章不好好写,就是录取不好啊。
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gladys
去了Emory就可惜了

不过应该是小中。只有小中才能有这么好的成绩。

而且如果是贵人,早当天才录了。

姜申
我觉得我家熊娃要碰大钉子,太stubborn了,自家免费AO拒之千里之外,
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greenoasis
我都不想了。今年这么乱。看运气吧。
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greenoasis
写小时候怎么征服滑梯的。看怎么写了?所以说有高人指点一下就好了
成功的兔
是不是写高中阶段的事好一些?比较重要的shape yourself的小事/思考? 瞎猜的哈,没看过任何书或申请文
姜申
运气/机遇只偏爱有心人。我家熊娃这种,按达尔文主义,就是要被AO淘汰的。反正我尽力了,怨不得家长了
姜申
这个确实对理工科nerd娃们不公平。。。不是所有的孩子都能信手拈来妙笔生花的
东施爱美
我儿子SAT 很差,GPA 也不高,反正是有B, 没有大奖,都是local 小奖,照样top 20 要。
姜申
你们加州白天不懂落后州夜的黑
古代的事物
羡慕极了,说不定就是文章中的两位AO录的emory。。。
成功的兔
是。。。男娃还相对不成熟,觉得"我就这样,爱要不要,so what" ?
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WISEBAO
文书是需要花心思的。大学看不到孩子真人,录取的就是申请package

文书需要体现的是孩子的personality,千万别把activity再重新捋一遍。最后要升华。

不夸张的说倒在申请文书上的优秀孩子太多了。读书好doesnt mean much these days.

四娃兔妈
是不是应该花钱找人包装?反正一切已晚了
东施爱美
Emory 的AO 非常八婆也非常nice, 我和她聊了很久。另外两个director 也是非常nice, 我发了我儿子童子军照

他说希望我们研究生的时候再申请,或者是我们可以先local 大学读然后转Emory. 我说希望我们的推出不影响儿子学校后来的招生,他说not at all, more than welcome to have students like 我儿子。

四娃兔妈
UC Application 月底due,我儿子还在磨洋工
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WISEBAO
读完一篇文书如果有“oh, she's Jane." 基本上对头了。

填活动时不要不舍得砍,少而精绝对好过多而杂。

活动不一定是要leadership, 显示impact非常重要。

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Midwestrural
你说的对。。赞!
东施爱美
娃都是磨洋工,我家的当时他爸一催他就很烦躁,还好他几个nerd study group 的同学一起商量怎么申请。
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greenoasis
好难。进T5肯定是难。但是这个孩子被爱茉莉拒了。我知道去年进去的,比这个差远了
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WISEBAO
我们知道的听到的都是”硬件“,申请package里的”软件“才make difference.

不单单对t5, 对前30甚至前50的私立都适用。

成绩过线拼ec, ec过线拼运气。大多数小中成绩都过线了, 卡在ec上了,ec也不是没有过线,只是没有在申请表上好好体现出来。

米汤
“Although the student said she wanted to be a doctor, she had “n

EC is indeed a bit weak. 3/1000+1570+12plusAPs could have been a t10 contender with some research or awards.

But she had 50%-60% chance at Emory; applying three or four t15 colleges might have helped to secure one admission.

事后诸葛亮容易做

我是平凡人
我亲临其境
米汤
不会是over qualified

Davison scholar 这类才会被Emory over qualified .这个学生可能不会被 Emory 或UC OQ, 感觉Emory 50-60% chance

https://bbs.wenxuecity.com/znjy/2738006.html

https://bbs.wenxuecity.com/znjy/2738281.html

 

 

古代的事物
哈哈不要对自己的A O水平太认真

毕竟是大人,总觉得我们只适合给防守的建议。

无言无语无声
正好证明the process is ridiculous. 这么多努力 被个把主观片面的人一把抹杀。Grit?

另一个AO可能会想的相反:成绩就是证明 grit 用的,你essay应该用来显示自己的性格 和纯文字水准。那pizza文得宠正是此理。还有,AO怎么在这么早的阶段就给毙了 连讨论都没有 这么草率了事。你不觉得 她要是一路premed activities,AO又会说:我这是不是太 calculating了啊?投其所好,知道你要premed一套,我就做一套,也不动动脑筋,不敢尝试没做过的事情,不敢探索啊?这种不负责任的录取方式我就真奇怪大家居然都接受,没有一个在法律层面的质疑 - 好大学都是 heavily sponsored by federally. 

有言
赞慕!-:)
娃无完娃
关键句:"She wasn’t familiar with the high school"

这说明该娃的高中应该不是太好并且以往很少有学生被Emory录取。这样的高中

的GPA以及3/1000 并不是很有竞争力。

此外essay写conquering slide大概是3-6岁的事?基本上属于tell a story的范畴,这违反了show do not tell的写作要求。

所以这娃的唯一拿得出手的就是SAT 1570。这样成绩的申请人应该大把大把的, 不可能都进T20吧?

以上纯属俺的马后炮

红兰花花
欲加之罪,何患无词。这孩子不过是皮肤长错了。

Emory 这样有点鸡肋的私校,不去也罢。

成功的兔
3~4个不够,我们村有例子,小中男女都是
想做好父亲
没错,我也想说这个。若是黑的,什么都可以反着说找补过来!
我是平凡人
不知道学校还有这么明确的排名?是不是问counselor?
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wlwt123
小女孩以為是safety,連essay也懶下功夫,結果被AO看穿。
评论2012
Emory知道给这样的孩子发录取书,大概率最终被据。从鸡蛋里挑骨头,找些理由给记者写点东西,也可以拔高学校,政治正确。
评论2012
想成为一个医生,同上什么本科专业有关系吗?高中生就需要准备申请医学院的课外?Emory是在录取医学生?有些荒唐了吧?
想做好父亲
若是黑的,什么都可以是加分项,咱们就不跟她掰扯了
潭影空心
这两句话一起出现,总觉得有点别扭

The grades, curriculum, and test scores were among the strongest they would probably see that day.

 

Emory accepts almost half of students with credentials like this one’s

评论2012
正因为太优秀了,当天最好的。Emory的AO已经有经验了:这样优秀的学生,极有可能是拿Emory做保底学校。
潭影空心
这个案例里其实还是有些有价值的信息的

一个是AO设7分钟读完一个申请, 这个不离谱, 一般8分钟以下, 很少有超过10分钟的。如果申请者整个package里没有特别让AO记忆停留长一点的货, AO的notes真的可以一带而过。 还有, 要是碰到AO在这7分钟里,因为喝的咖啡太苦或者吃的中饭太差而心情不好的话, 申请者就倒霉了

 

另外,这孩子的Essay确实失误了, 虽然对很多背景强的孩子来说essay不是决定因素,可这孩子的EC没有突出到让AO印象深刻的地步, 这Essay的选题就确实是missed opportunity, 毕竟如何写essay还是有讲究的。

 

 

古道阳关
对!比方俺吧,不管啥马甲,上来就能被认出来 。。。
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Progressive
是的。这孩子是over qualify了。AO们肯定这孩子会拿到更好的offer不会去E。