所以就是每个18-67岁的成年人可以最多从联邦领到$1000,对吧

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cutedolphin
楼主 (文学城)

美国这个年龄段的人口多少?

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violinpiano
錢哪裡來都幫你找好了

It would be easier than you might think. Andrew proposes funding the Freedom Dividend by consolidating some welfare programs and implementing a Value-Added Tax (VAT) of 10%. Current welfare and social program beneficiaries would be given a choice between their current benefits or $1,000 cash unconditionally – most would prefer cash with no restriction.

A Value-Added Tax (VAT) is a tax on the production of goods or services a business produces. It is a fair tax and it makes it much harder for large corporations, who are experts at hiding profits and income, to avoid paying their fair share. A VAT is nothing new. 160 out of 193 countries in the world already have a Value-Added Tax or something similar, including all of Europe which has an average VAT of 20 percent.

The means to pay for the Freedom Dividend will come from 4 sources:

1.  Current spending.  We currently spend between $500 and $600 billion a year on welfare programs, food stamps, disability and the like.  This reduces the cost of the Freedom Dividend because people already receiving benefits would have a choice but would be ineligible to receive the full $1,000 in addition to current benefits.

Additionally, we currently spend over one trillion dollars on health care, incarceration, homelessness services and the like.  We would save $100 – 200+ billion as people would take better care of themselves and avoid the emergency room, jail, and the street and would generally be more functional.  The Freedom Dividend would pay for itself by helping people avoid our institutions, which is when our costs shoot up.  Some studies have shown that $1 to a poor parent will result in as much as $7 in cost-savings and economic growth.

2.  A VAT.  Our economy is now incredibly vast at $19 trillion, up $4 trillion in the last 10 years alone.  A VAT at half the European level would generate $800 billion in new revenue.  A VAT will become more and more important as technology improves because you cannot collect income tax from robots or software.

3.  New revenue.  Putting money into the hands of American consumers would grow the economy.  The Roosevelt Institute projected that the economy would grow by approximately $2.5 trillion and create 4.6 million new jobs.  This would generate approximately $800 – 900 billion in new revenue from economic growth and activity.

4.  Taxes on top earners and pollution.  By removing the Social Security cap, implementing a financial transactions tax, and ending the favorable tax treatment for capital gains/carried interest, we can decrease financial speculation while also funding the Freedom Dividend.  We can add to that a carbon fee that will be partially dedicated to funding the Freedom Dividend, making up the remaining balance required to cover the cost of this program.

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tibuko
最少,不是最多
希望17
需要他们的时候,给点小钱,这些人可以为出钱的投票或者上街。太划算了。千秋万代。
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tibuko
什么找好了,你以为VAT是谁在付?天上又掉馅饼了?
章介
very bad, VAT is the worst type of tax
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greenoasis
VAT 和current sales tax 有什么不同?
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violinpiano
誰買東西誰就付 不管是製造商買材料 還是消費者買成品啊
g
greenoasis
为什么?
章介
taxing producing is the worst thing, if you have to tax,

tax consumption

 

锦衣卫
我算是服你们这些天才精明的藤妈藤爸了,自己推娃去挣大钱不问世事,有人出来举火炬又左挑右挑找毛病扣字眼

有本事你们让你们家的藤娃也站出来举火炬呀,我们也坚决支持,而且保证不象你们这样打击挖苦给你们藤之花娃挑刺儿。紫檀的精英家长原来竟然这样自私自利不团结。看来AA不是没有道理的。

 

g
greenoasis
两码事
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tibuko
你已经在交销售税,VAT是联邦政府再加10%,等于在纽约销售税为18.875%
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greenoasis
对,就是想知道跟sales tax 是否有什么不一样
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violinpiano
誰挑字眼了啊 有人在這裡問 我就幫忙貼出來楊的說帖啊

章介
way worse than that

VAT applies to EACH & EVERY step during producing process,

it's one of the quickest way to kill an economy

 

 

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skyport
怎么没人在意Mucci,跟川总掰了,这个意味着什么?
章介
totally different animals. VAT is the worst one
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twoboys_mom
他是nobody吧
成功的兔
就事论事讨论而已,你只允许一边倒地唱赞歌?支持他的行动,把计划做得更好不行吗?杨都没希望大家事事同意
锦衣卫
LOL~中文有句话叫司马昭之心

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greenoasis
好像欧洲买东西加的税就叫VAT。不知道他们怎么定义
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skyport
有点惊讶,上次看到他还是在努力为川总辩护的
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twoboys_mom
就是个机会主义者
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tibuko
这不是给大家作为消费者一个直观的理解嘛
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violinpiano
看看這個解釋?

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/v/valueaddedtax.asp

A value-added tax (VAT) is a consumption tax placed on a product whenever value is added at each stage of the supply chain, from production to the point of sale.

锦衣卫
哪一个竞选人不是在竞选过程中不断的refine自己的policy,为什专门抓住他为定论的policy紧追死咬挑漏洞?

难道就因为他是个华裔,华裔没资格竞选总统,还是因为他干了这里藤娃不敢干的事情,自己脸上顿时无光?

华裔给人的印象历来就是一盘散沙,自己自顾自,对社会没有回报和追求。现在终于出来一个华裔的火炬娃,也这么往死里打击啊?

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cutedolphin
VAT就是中国的增值税吧
加州阳光123
增值税一般用于流通领域里每一个环节,中国早就有增值税了

譬如生产面料的企业在卖面料给服装加工厂的时候要缴纳增值税,服装加工厂在卖给外贸出口企业的时候也要缴纳增值税,中国政府在对外贸扶持政策的情况下实行退税政策,譬如缴纳增值税17%, 对于纺织品出口实行退税11%,  这个退税率根据当年的社会经济和政治等因素以及国家是否扶持这个产业有关。

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twoboys_mom
他要不是华人,这里不会讨论他的
锦衣卫
VAT是增值税,税已经在各个流通和生产环节由厂家和供应商缴纳完了,天朝用的就是增值税,美国是销售税

谁消费谁交税。

各有利弊。

锦衣卫
对,从香港山寨过来的,香港是从英国山寨的
锦衣卫
又来了,消费者不用自己直接交税,因为所有的说已经在生产和流通环节由厂家和经销商供应商缴纳完了
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tibuko
增值税,最后也是你付,当中每步的税,都是来源于你最后付的
c
cutedolphin
看了你贴的具体条款,对个人来说,还有去掉social security tax cap和long term capital ga

这相当于给中上产加税。所以对中上产,那$1000等于又被拿回去了

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cutedolphin
VAT是交给联邦的,销售税是交给local的?
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tibuko
看明白了没有?

加州阳光123
不对,羊毛出在羊身上,苹果在流通环节中缴了那么多的税,苹果不涨价才怪?

锦衣卫
没准都在齐声赞誉呢,老中对老中最苛刻不是个传说

是紫檀活生生的现实

平时就PK谁家娃上什么学校,然后看不起那些不如自家娃的家长和娃。现在上升到讽刺挖苦别人家敢站出来的火炬娃。还不是因为自己娃没能挣这个第一吗。

不信如何杨也是紫檀谁家的火炬娃,你再看看回事怎么样?

 

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violinpiano
不是啊 最後的retail價格減掉店家的成本價也是要算稅的啊
锦衣卫
联邦收的是Income Tax, State收的是Sales Taxes,具体怎么分账不知道。天朝用VAT也是没办法

各地税务混乱,中央政府收不到税,也无法了解该收多少税。

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cutedolphin
没有人往死里打击,只是对他的政策好奇,想研究一下可行性和impact
成功的兔
你天天在这指责子坛父母不就是“老中对老中最苛刻”……
锦衣卫
和你说的这个无关,是不同的税制。法律不一样。有些环节与最终消费者无关干嘛要收消费者的说

羊毛出在羊身上是老中的一个固定思维。

羊毛也可能出在机器上。

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twoboys_mom
我看你对老中够尖刻的

还让人家多打几份工想把老中累死

锦衣卫
不一样的税制。你研究一下两者的区别就知道了

各有利弊,和国家的法律制度也有关。没那么多容易。

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cutedolphin
所以VAT不会代替sales tax,而是会in addition to
高筋粉
绕道走俱乐部主席?
锦衣卫
对,VAT是在流通,供应和生产环节收税。Sales Tax是在销售过程收税各有千秋
锦衣卫
很难说,两种税制并行的国家几乎没有。不然税收就乱了。
锦衣卫
税法不是这么简单理解的