"In every census from 1890 to 1954, blacks were either just as active as or more so than whites in the labor market. During that earlier period, black teen unemployment was roughly equal to or less than white teen unemployment. As early as 1900, the duration of black unemployment was 15 percent shorter than that of whites; today it's about 30 percent longer. Would anyone suggest that there was less racial discrimination during earlier periods?"
"As late as 1950, only 18 percent of black households were single parent. From 1890 to 1940, a slightly higher percentage of black adults had married than white adults. In 1938, black illegitimacy was about 11 percent instead of today’s 75percent. In 1925, 85 percent of black households in New York City were two-parent. Today, the black family is a mere shadow of its past."
"The most damage done to black Americans is inflicted by those politicians, civil rights leaders and academics who assert that every problem confronting blacks is a result of a legacy of slavery and discrimination."
"The No. 1 problem among blacks is the effects stemming from a very weak family structure."
A recent study by Just Facts, an excellent source of factual information, shows that after accounting for income, charity and noncash welfare benefits such as subsidized health care, housing, food stamps and other assistance programs, "the poorest 20% of Americans consume more goods and services than the national averages for all people in the world's most affluent countries." This includes the majority of countries that are members of Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development, including its European members. The Just Facts study concludes that if the U.S. "poor" were a nation, then it would be one of the world's richest.
As early as 2010, 43% of all poor households owned their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage and a porch or patio. Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning. The typical poor American has more living space than the average non-poor individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens and other cities throughout Europe. Ninety-seven percent of poor households have one or more color televisions — half of which are connected to cable, satellite or a streaming service. Some 82% of poor families have one or more smartphones. Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens and more than a third have an automatic dishwasher. Most poor families have a car or truck and 43% own two or more vehicles.
4,African Americans are more likely than white Americans to be arrested; once arrested, they are more likely to be convicted; and once convicted, they are more likely to face stiff sentences. Black men are six times as likely to be incarcerated as white men
匆匆写几句。 今天看到邻居发出来的Walter Williams一些话,就去查了查出处。
Walter Williams, 美国经济学家, 大学教授。 他的非裔身份,才让他有底气说下面这些话。其他人早就被扣上帽子了。据他的数据,60年代之前,非裔失业率比白人低, 而今天比白人高30%。 他认为自己族裔的首要问题是very weak family structure, 而不是种族歧视。
https://www.creators.com/read/walter-williams/06/20/some-facts-worth-knowing
"In every census from 1890 to 1954, blacks were either just as active as or more so than whites in the labor market. During that earlier period, black teen unemployment was roughly equal to or less than white teen unemployment. As early as 1900, the duration of black unemployment was 15 percent shorter than that of whites; today it's about 30 percent longer. Would anyone suggest that there was less racial discrimination during earlier periods?"
"As late as 1950, only 18 percent of black households were single parent. From 1890 to 1940, a slightly higher percentage of black adults had married than white adults. In 1938, black illegitimacy was about 11 percent instead of today’s 75percent. In 1925, 85 percent of black households in New York City were two-parent. Today, the black family is a mere shadow of its past."
"The most damage done to black Americans is inflicted by those politicians, civil rights leaders and academics who assert that every problem confronting blacks is a result of a legacy of slavery and discrimination."
"The No. 1 problem among blacks is the effects stemming from a very weak family structure."
然后我再google 了一下这个人名, 出来的第一个结果是他今天新鲜出笼的一篇文。 他喜欢用数据说话。 据他说美国穷人的人均居住面积超过欧洲普通人人均居住面积。
https://www.creators.com/read/walter-williams/06/20/some-facts-worth-knowing
A recent study by Just Facts, an excellent source of factual information, shows that after accounting for income, charity and noncash welfare benefits such as subsidized health care, housing, food stamps and other assistance programs, "the poorest 20% of Americans consume more goods and services than the national averages for all people in the world's most affluent countries." This includes the majority of countries that are members of Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development, including its European members. The Just Facts study concludes that if the U.S. "poor" were a nation, then it would be one of the world's richest.
As early as 2010, 43% of all poor households owned their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage and a porch or patio. Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning. The typical poor American has more living space than the average non-poor individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens and other cities throughout Europe. Ninety-seven percent of poor households have one or more color televisions — half of which are connected to cable, satellite or a streaming service. Some 82% of poor families have one or more smartphones. Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens and more than a third have an automatic dishwasher. Most poor families have a car or truck and 43% own two or more vehicles.
而且她们在学校里吃的免费早餐,午餐就是她们一天中能吃的所有正餐了。真是不明白怎么会有这么穷吃不上饭的?我们这里平均户均收入十几万的。可以跟国内贫穷地方比了?
这个学区还据称是南部几个州都数一数二的学区。
所以今天读到这个教授的这些话,很新鲜。他的数据应该也都是真实的, george mason university不是什么野鸡大学, 正经好大学,他是正教授。
所以我也不明白这里面的disconnect.
比住宅面积?人均还是每户?咋不跟美国自己其它人的住宅面积比?而是去找世界最拥挤的地方黑人的住宅?
那个种族都有自己的叛徒,给几个钢板,就蹦蹦跳跳地给主子摇尾巴!
这种blame victim自己不努力,不知足的调调让人恶心。
亚裔中很有些人喜欢为虎作伥?
这仨officers,只有那个亚裔的照片,全网都是。为啥会引起这么大的兴趣啊?是不是有傻 X 华人,接着去组织抗议?去啊,去抗议媒体区别对待亚裔啊!
当年纽约的亚裔警察,不是也开枪打死一无辜的黑人吗?之后被判刑的时候,不是组织抗议了吗?接着来啊!
其实美国的食物是便宜的,特别是如果不挑剔的话。
不好意思,你一上来,就看我这发泄情绪了。
不过断章取义来看,这几段的说服力不是太强。。。
最近听了两本以前看过的书:Uncle Tom's Cabin, 和 The Adventure of Hucklebery Finn.
的确就是正好因为邻居发的,觉得他的数据挺有意思。我们平时说话不可能面面俱到,有时候很多问题,发帖的本人也没啥立场, 也没有答案, 就是拿出来探讨一下。如果都要面面俱到和政治正确, 大伙儿的口水都会少一大半
不好说今天的美国非裔算不算victim,入学和就职方面在政策上得到的帮助挺多的。
说说你的理解?为什么他们不管孩子?
成功的职业男黑人,大多娶了白人和亚裔。觉得这里黑人职业女性求偶的待遇有点像国内的女博士。
我觉得是他们内心深处对命运的绝望,看不到自己未来的希望,也看不到后代的未来的希望。这种绝望的情绪,会让有些人选择逃避责任。
就活不下去了。
美国,还有其他国家也算上, 教育不平等是最近这些年热门话题吧。
有多少黑人孩子,可以有“富二代”,甚至中产二代的同等机会?
还有,天天吹嘘华人重视教育,出国的华人,有多少华人本身就是富裕,有权势,有高等教育的父母?看看国内穷苦孩子,有多少机会?这不是一目了然吗?是底层人民的现实,使得他们更加处处落后。而黑人人口占大的比重。这是历史长期积累下来,得不到解决的问题,而且日益加重
BTW,我说没废奴隶制之前的意思是:那时黑人失业率还近0%呢。黑人都不算“人”,自然没失业统计。他咋不把这数字加进去?
能说这些孩子,有相同的起点吗?
大人做的都是低配的工作,超时的工作,能有精力去更多地照顾孩子的学习吗?
上都无法与白人平等。说到就业,黑人在上上世纪应该是100%的就业,都是奴隶。西方国家千年前就从非洲赎买奴隶,西方经济的发展是建立在血淋淋的抢夺压搾非州亚洲弱势民族基础上的。我们华人做为少数民族今天在美国有平等的发展机会,真是坐黑人团体多年的抗争“顺风车”得来的。没有他们在美国几百年的血泪史与大规模的平权运动,我们的华人后代不可能有机会加入好的学校,我们可能还没有权力购置自己的房产,也不会在大公司找到好工作进入管理层…我理解和坚决支持反歧视的游行示威,但反对任何暴力和打砸抢行为。
电影里说到, 那个时候在一些州黑人都不可以去白人的酒吧, 餐馆和旅馆。 看过文学城城头上的讲陈香梅的一篇文章, 文中说到在五十年代, 陈想在DC的白人区租房子, 因为她不是白人, 房主就是不租给她。她可是将军的遗孀呢。 我老公也说都过, 他很小的时候在中部住过几年, 那个社区就是“white only”的
妈妈忙着打几份工。没有人引导他们,他们也不知道除了这种生活,还有什么别的生活。
估计这是你想表达的意思
欧州几百年从非州赎买奴隶,身强力壮体格健美的男女非州人都被选出赎卖到各欧州国家和北美州,仅美国就有八百万至一千万之多。这些非州人在异国他乡代代承担最繁重的体力劳动,没有读书教育的权力,没有人身自由,太悲惨了。几百年留在非州的都是老弱病残的,跟我们常说:崖山之后无中华可能是一个道理。
是不能被平等对待,出去跑步都会有被打死的危险,走到哪里都要先证明自己,有时候还来及证明自己就已经被打死或摈弃了。有一部分人有足够的Faith可以克服这种绝望,给自己信心,但有一部分人就没有这种能力。
他还替一个学生捡书,挺有意思的
见我上面的回帖:
https://bbs.wenxuecity.com/kghy/3322604.html
比如说美国近几年的No child left behind act, 再比如说 teach for America, 更不用说几十年前最高法院强制学校不可以种族隔离。
当然实际上的问题还很多很多。比如说我听过一个节目,说是白人为主的住宅区的房子价值这50年涨了好多,可黑人区的没涨。白人贷款也容易,等等。
我们的意见不同点是,个人有没有责任?还是都是社会歧视的责任?
你想想几百年身强力健的都被抓走了,会是什么情况?
这句话真是蛮搞的,也不知道说这句话的中国人把自己当成了啥?
各大洲经济发展都不平衡,这里面历史文化原因太多了,怎么是一句身体条件不好就能解释的。。。
我忘了在哪看的了。好像讲的是纽约照顾低收入的住房问题。里面采访了俩家。一个是奶奶(或者外婆)和孙子。一个是爷爷(或姥爷)和孙女。都是黑人家庭。当时我就纳闷,爸爸妈妈哪去了?就靠隔代养育?
女儿小的时候和她读过好多儿童读物。有一个作者是印第安人。里面有一句话我当时不懂,所以记得很深。她妈妈告诉她,她一定要想办法逃离保护区。否则就没有希望了。现在我懂了。当人们只是想着享受福利,就此懒惰的话,这辈子就废了。父母这样,孩子也就废了。
同理,你想在问的,二战时,被屠杀的犹太人有没有责任?
在社会大环境和自己的小环境(家庭,社区)的双重束缚下,个人的努力很有限。这是社会学家的结论。
另外:你发的第一个贴,看不出你所说的个人的努力的议题是主要的考虑。
总体看着,只是blame 黑人自己的问题。就像下面军大衣和装秋水所说,有断章取义,扭曲原文作者本意的嫌疑啊!
“As early as 1900, the duration of black unemployment was 15 percent shorter than that of whites; today it's about 30 percent longer.”
这里关键的词是the duration of black unemployment. 为什么会低于白人? 因为黑人从事的是低端manual 的工作,费时长,收入低,所以要用更多地工作时间,来弥补收入的不足。而白人的工作工资高,工作时间就不用更长。这样的解释不是很合理吗?
这样一个现实,怎好用来指责黑人现在劳动时间少了?美国在七八十年代,就把更多地低端工作转到南美和其它国家和地区。黑人的就业,尤其受到打击。
1,美国有2.2百万的犯人,其中近25%是Drug criminals,(这也是一些州要把大麻合法化的原因之一吧,大麻在荷兰就是合法的。)很多黑人入狱都与drug有关。
2,美国法律存在轻罪重判、重罪轻判的缺陷。
3,还有监狱商业私人化,是赚钱的一大重要行业,所以美国监狱关的犯人占全世界犯人的近25%。是美国人犯罪性高吗?
4,African Americans are more likely than white Americans to be arrested; once arrested, they are more likely to be convicted; and once convicted, they are more likely to face stiff sentences. Black men are six times as likely to be incarcerated as white men
5,美国用工制度的背景调查,一旦有犯罪史,很难找到Decent的工作,也就不会有实力住在好区,小孩也就去不了好学校,住在坏区上差学校teenage时就小错不断,到了青年就找不到好工作…然后恶性循环…
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