NVDY和CONY这种能碰吗?看前面大家说所有covered call ETF不要碰

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xebbk
楼主 (文学城)

这种年分红接近100%了,一年就回本了,股价也就20左右,能亏到哪去呢?

股价也跟着正股波动,涨跌幅度差不多吧

是不是too good to be true ?

三心三意
Never touch any ETF that use covered call strategy

There is a very simple reason for this, any covered call ETF will "always 100%" underperform the underline stock on which it writes covered call. If you were to buy a covered call ETF, you might as well buy the stock directly.

Take NVDY as example, it is a covered call ETF on NVDA. Yes, you might think its current yield of 63% looks unreal, but that is because NVDA has had a huge run up. If you plot NVDY and NVDA on the same chart, you will see

1: NVDY's overall return is signficantly lower than NVDA

2: Whenever NVDA drops, NVDY also drops, and therefore offers no real protection on the downside risk.

Net net, you are better off to buy NVDA directly if you want to buy NVDY. You can plot "any covered call ETF" against its stock and you will see this behavior 100% of time.

So, never touch any covered call ETF

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xebbk
暴涨的时候不如正股,震荡期或者缓升期是不是比正股好?

比如正股一年涨了10%20%,这种ETF拿分红能拿50%?

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start2020
观察它家的Tsly 的效果,时间长些,的确上面回帖所言
三心三意
Statistically, all covered ETF underperform its stock

Even more important, you dont know which stock will 爆涨 or 震荡. If you know that consistently, you would be a multi-billionare by now :) 

This is an absolute no-go

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julie116
怎么知道它是covered call strategy. 主动报告吗?
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start2020
它家的产品每天网站上发布交易
三心三意
Can't help every step. Just Google it and you will see
三心三意
Google "is NVDY a covered call ETF"?"
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Fisherman
我读到的文章的说法是:covered call strategy合适波动不大的环境。

涨太快跟不上 ,小跌有保护,大跌保护作用不大。所以,用这个strategy的ETF选股有讲究。我自己有JEPI,看了它的持股和SP500的差别很大,表现是大涨的年份远远不如index,跌的年份2022相当不错。我接近退休,需要分红,目前还满意。但也观察着。

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hhtt
JEPI算做的不错的分紅基金,基金里的公司组合是多行业的,所以波动要比楼主说的两个基金小很多。
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Fisherman
我一直没敢进JEPQ,就是持股的股票波动比较大。。。
三心三意
JEPI far underperform SPY (the index it does cover call)
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Fisherman
官方说法是cover sp500,实际持股成分差别太大。。。

我更愿意和schd比。。。当然,JEPI历史比schd短,还没法比。。。

另外,投资不纯粹是return,还有自己的实际需要。我到了考虑现金流的年龄,也考虑自己的portfolio起伏小一些更合适。对年轻人,我肯定不会鼓买JEPI。。。

三心三意
他们的strategy是在SP500挑选他们认为合适的股票

However, the end result is that it underperforms SPY on 1Y, 3Y, and 5Y total return consistently, by pretty significant margin