玻教授厉害,网管真的删掉了.

最接近太阳的人
楼主 (文学城)

不过我还是觉得这属于言论自由的一部分.

 

 

q
qiaoyun0416
所以以后这帮人再跟你谈自由主义自由美国你千万别信。他们就是一帮时刻不忘阶级斗争的激情毛右。
s
supercs88
同意太阳兄的看法,没仔细看,好像原帖只是谈一些关于哈马斯的看法,并不是支持哈马斯。

美国有不少人对哈马斯持支持的态度,也没事儿啊。

网管的处理方法可以理解,删帖不封号,息事宁人嘛,。

不过有的人一蹦三尺高,叫嚷着要把网友“踢出去”,就太不厚道了,这里鄙视一下。

下面的内容摘自英文网站The bulwark:

链接:https://www.thebulwark.com/p/how-many-young-americans-support-hamas

Another poll, taken in November by the Marquette Law School, challenged respondents to take sides. It asked: “When it comes to Israel’s war with Hamas in Gaza, should the U.S. support Israel, support Hamas or not take a position?” Only 5 percent of registered voters said the United States should support Hamas, but 16 percent of under-30s chose that answer. Twenty-three percent preferred to support Israel; 61 percent said the United States shouldn’t take a position.

Hamas’s favorability ratings are in the same ballpark. In a Wall Street Journal/Ipsos poll taken less than two weeks after the October 7 massacre, 13 percent of under-30s expressed a favorable view of Hamas. Weeks later, after a lot more carnage in Gaza, a mid-November Yahoo/YouGov poll found that 18 percent of under-30s expressed a favorable view of Hamas.

The most alarming numbers have come from surveys taken by HarrisX for Harvard’s Center for American Political Studies. Unlike other pollsters, the Harvard-Harris team has reported cross-tabulations not just for Americans under age 35 or 30, but specifically for those between the ages of 18 and 24. Among these under-25s:

60 percent said “Hamas and Israel both have fairly equal just causes.” (The alternative answer was that “there is no moral equivalency between the terrorist murders of Hamas and the actions of Israel.”)

58 percent said “the Hamas killing of 1200 Israeli civilians and the kidnapping of another 250 civilians can be justified by the grievances of Palestinians.” (The alternative answer was that the killings by Hamas were “not justified in any way.”)

45 percent said they sided more with Hamas than with Israel.

These are eye-popping numbers, but there are reasons to be skeptical. The Harvard/Harris poll is somewhat sloppy, its November tables still haven’t been released, and the pollster hasn’t responded to requests for the data. Also, in the same survey in which 58 percent of under-25s said the October 7 attack could be justified, 54 percent said “universities have a moral obligation to condemn the Hamas terrorist killings.” So it’s not clear what some of these respondents are thinking.

Other polls have reported much lower numbers in this age range. In a Generation Lab survey taken a week after October 7, two-thirds of college students called the attack terrorism; only 12 percent described it instead as a justified act of resistance. Another poll, taken in late October, found that among college students aged 18 to 22, 9 percent said they sympathized “a lot” with Hamas, and another 13 percent said they sympathized “a little.”

All in all, sympathy with Hamas seems to show up, on average, in about 15 percent to 20 percent of young American adults. That’s way too high. But keep three things in perspective. First, the most reliable polls indicate that even in this age group, the vast majority of respondents oppose or at least don’t support Hamas. Second, there’s a huge gap between sympathy with Palestinians, which is quite broadly shared in the younger cohort, and sympathy with Hamas, which isn’t. And third, there’s a big gap between young people’s feelings about the Israeli government and their feelings about the Israeli people.

 

新手庚
刚才在路上。我都没来得及,突然发现贴子没了。
q
qiaoyun0416
是发在德国Magazin der Masse的 一篇学术性长文。学术性的,不是政治宣传。
s
supercs88
不得不说,美国是一个言论非常自由的国度,这也是美国伟大、令人不得不称赞的地方。

我个人反对哈马斯,但是支持在法律许可下的言论自由。

链接:https://www.adl.org/resources/article/support-hamas-terror-anti-israel-rallies-across-us

 

s
supercs88
有些人天天赞美美国伟大,却对美国的立国之本---自由精神,一窍不通,实在令人好笑。

他们之所以喜欢美国,不是因为美国的平等和自由,而是因为他们有造谣、说谎、夹带私货的自由,而且还有打击别人言论的自由。

不过还是支持网管,这样做可以减少争吵,少些是非,让坛子平和一些。

q
qiaoyun0416
结果这被在美国办的文学城给证伪了!令美国和中国看起来一模一样。
q
qiaoyun0416
一见别人发出不同的声音就吓得要死,赶紧跑去和领导汇报要求删帖封号。
新手庚
严重同意!那天我第一次发贴子。那个蒋网友上来就说我是大外宣,造谣。后来居然说我是你的马甲。全是文革那一套。
s
supercs88
有的人是只准州官防火,不许百姓点灯,经常骂人五毛、小粉红、大外宣、腊肉粉,哎,希望能提高素质。
天堂之令
应该删除。。。在灯塔反鱿相当于在天朝反共。
过来人2
+100
q
qiaoyun0416
这不是证明了美国和中国一样没有自由?
有言
波教授原则性强,正直善良。but 很多时候不免偏狭和书生之见。哈哈哈。-:)
竞选
文学城是私人网站,允许什么不允许什么完全由网站拥有者私人决定,其决定不代表美国政府的立场,与言论自由无关
竞选
私人网站私人说了算,不代表美国政府的立场,除非某人因言获罪被判刑,那才是没有言论自由,因为代表美国官方立场
竞选
如果你老婆不准你谈论某件事,你不能因此就说美国没有言论自由,因为那是你们私人之间的事,你老婆的规定不代表美国官方态度。
有言
这样乱比喻真的不好不足取。-:)
新手庚
明白了。你是说政府支持言论自由。而文学城由于是私人拥有,和政府支持的不一样。
w
weed123
举报自己认为不当言论,是负责任的行为。 网管根据掌握的尺度删掉言论,作者如果不服的话,同样可以去意见区与网管质询商榷
k
kl3527
最好补点基本知识:)
新手庚
什么知识?
k
kl3527
补点常识不是坏事,对自己好处更大:)