求教一个卖房depreciation recapture的问题

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cublai
楼主 (文学城)

有个房子,买42万,十年后卖45万。每年大概一般的收支相抵,加上depreciation以后就是负的。

十年大概depreciate 7万。

因为我不是professional,没有take deduction,所以十年房子accrued 7万loss。

房子本身adjusted basis变成42-7=35万。

卖房子的时候,我的capital gain是45-35=10万,到我的schedule D上,和我以前股票亏的long term capital loss抵消了。

然后那7万积攒下来的loss跑到1040上和我的w2收入冲抵,导致最后IRS要退不少钱给我。

这样对吗?我一直以为recapture的意思是那七万的capital gain会被当作normal income处理

b
borisg
这都什么乱七八糟的。。

buy 42wan, sell 45wan (disregard expenses) capital gain 3wan, add 7wan recaptured depreciation total long term capital gain 10 wan.

LTCG can offset LTCL from previous years 10wan, that's it, you still have to pay taxes for earned income.

c
cublai
多谢。那么我攒了多年的7万loss怎么处理呢?

我每年在depreciate以前是收支平衡的,加上depreciate就都是loss了。没有take deductible, 都攒着。

所以一共正好攒了7万loss

b
borisg
u needed to claim depreciation each year for which

the depreciation occurred.

c
cublai
每年是有take depreciation。但是我不是real estate professional

所以depreciation不能take deductible。

就一直accrue

b
borisg
I see.

If you report depreciation each year and if your total operation loss exceeds allowed level for your income, the balance is carried over to the next year and you should include this in the tax return.

So, say over the years you accumulated 70k losses. When you sell your house, you have the profit plus recaptured depreciation of 100k you need to report as LTCG, this you can not use the accumulated 70k to cancel. Instead, you still report the maximum allowed operational loss in a separate entry in your tax return as previous years. This will probably take a few years for you to exaust the total amount of 70k.

c
cublai
But now TurboTax put the 70K loss directly against my AGI

Doesn't seem that it will take years to exhaust.

Instead I will get a big refund from IRS this year.

 

(I do have a substantial W2 which results in a substantial AGI) 

j
jenning
感觉好像没什么问题

楼主:

1)有10万的总利润, 其中7万的Unrecaptured Section 1250 Gain(通常所说的depreciation recapture),3 万的long term capital gain

2)还有7万的passive Loss carryover(or carry forward) from previous years。

最后一项的7万是肯定可以抵消掉的, 与收入无关,只是我不确定是先抵消recapture,还是先抵消capital gain。

卖房子的long term capital gain  可以offset 股票的long term capital loss.

b
borisg
go through the paper form step by step and see.
b
borisg
No. operation loss has an income-limited upper limit

each year. If she couldn't do it previously, she can not do it this year neither.

 

c
cublai
我是男的
b
borisg
sorry, that might be your past assumed gender....
j
jenning
卖房的那一年没有任何收入限制

楼主:

1)有10万的总利润, 其中7万的Unrecaptured Section 1250 Gain(通常所说的depreciation recapture),3 万的long term capital gain

2)还有7万的passive Loss carryover(or carry forward) from previous years。

最后一项的7万是肯定可以抵消掉的, 与收入无关,只是我不确定是先抵消recapture,还是先抵消capital gain。

b
borisg
which line says that?
安红豆
赞, 我也一直想弄明白这个问题。
j
jenning
你总共有10万利润,7万offset 以前carried loss

 剩下3万offset 股票的Loss,也就是说你offset了全部10万利润, 感觉是靠谱的。

c
cublai
好像是哦。以前没注意还有性别。后来才发现居然我default 是女,赶快改了
c
cublai
可是现在TurboTax 把十万capital gain都拿去offset long term capital loss

然后七万carry forward loss拿去抵我的W2, 导致我要拿几万钱回来。感觉不对。

w
windyLL
Turbo Tax是对的,你照着做就是了。美国的税法是偏向富人的,只有到了你卖房时才能看到好处。偷着乐吧。

我们当年跟你一样不懂,和turbo tax的专家打了好几个电话才悟出来。你不懂就算了,人家不会跟你把话说白的。

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Girlsmom92
你(TurboTax) 是对的。只要照着form 一步步填就是你的结果。
G
Girlsmom92
TurboTax 是对的。7万是business loss, 所以抵W2
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DJGO_SF1996
倒数第二段有句话好像不对,"然后那7万积攒下来的loss跑到1040上和我的w2收入冲抵",积攒下的loss每年只能冲抵W2收入
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DJGO_SF1996
只能冲抵W2收入$3000呀。
G
Girlsmom92
不对。卖房时可以全抵
M
MYTA
我觉得不是吧, 他在讲passive loss.

在卖房 的那一年all the suspended passive loss from previous year都会被released. 先用来offset passive gain.

所以在楼主的例子里,70k passive loss offset 100k gain to get 30k long term capital gain, then offset long term capital loss from previous year stock loss....

 

这不是一个recapture 的问题,这是一个suspended passive loss released at selling year 的问题

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MYTA
turbo tax software 有不少缺陷。複雜一點的稅務還是請專業人給把關吧。

如果是出租房,你可以看看pub 925 和 form 8582,看看上面的邏輯關係

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MYTA
楼主的帖子从第五行就不太对了。你卖房的时候那10万长期利得先被

你前几年的unallowed (suspended) loss 7万来抵充。 剩下的3万利润可以抵剩下的炒股亏损(如果是长期的)

没有recapture 的问题。 也不涉及到主动收入(因为你以前租房就不是主业)

以上是我的理解