Pretax 401K, Aftertax 401K, and ROTH 401K

柠檬椰子汁
楼主 (文学城)

This applies to 401K, 403B or other ERISA plan. 

Pretax 401K is no tax now, but tax on withdrawal for both contribution and earning.  This is what we usually call 401(k), the limit is 19500.

ROTH 401K is tax contribution now, but no tax on earning when withdrawal

The Pretax/ROTH 401K has a combined limit of 19500.

Aftertax 401K is contribution is taxed now, and its earning is taxed on withdrawal.  It is just like your other after tax savings.  The only advantage I can see is that it is inside a ERISA protected account so usually lawsuit cannot get to it.  

The after-tax 401K contribution limit is ($38,500).  That is ERISA total limit of $58,000 minus Pretax limit of $19, 500.

The contribution part of the after-tax 401K can be converted to a ROTH account.  This is called mega ROTH backdoor.  The earning part of the after-tax 401K can be rolled over to a traditional IRA. 

see https://www.irs.gov/retirement-plans/rollovers-of-after-tax-contributions-in-retirement-plans

Hope this helps. 

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kitfrommars
after tax 401K最大的好处是mega backdoor Roth, 如果能同时提供in-plan Roth conv
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yezi-us
谢谢科普,本以为roth 401k和after-tax 401k是一回事呢。
柠檬椰子汁
你来问以前我也不太清楚,做了点research,反馈一下。
花飞絮
谢谢!如果前些年的after tax 401k,在报税时没有填8606表,以后会不会被再次课税?
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Sam1963
will Roth 401k be tax on the contribution money?
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twototango
After tax contribution limit不一定是38,500.还要减去公司match的。一共不能超过五万八
柠檬椰子汁
要的
柠檬椰子汁
你个人的Roth才需要你自己填表

公司401k, 不管是pretax aftertax 还是roth, 投资公司都已经帮你向IRS报告了。

柠檬椰子汁
是的,谢谢说明,有时候解释一件事很麻烦,给一个链接很多人也看不懂
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yezi-us
谢谢,今天你们几位让我学到了很多。感谢你们的耐心。
花飞絮
谢谢!
永远正能量
aftertax 401K 以及之后的Roth conversion有收入的限制吗?
睡觉不打呼噜
要是公司没有任何match, 401Ktotal limit $58,000
睡觉不打呼噜
要是公司没有match的话,那么总的401K(不管pre-tax,还是roth 401K加起来)不是58K而只是19.5K吧,也

要是公司没有match的话,那么总的401K(不管pre-tax,还是roth 401K加起来)不是58K而只是19.5K吧,也就是没有after-tax的那38.5K。

 

我理解对吗?