对夫妻,如果两人以前都工作,都付社安。怎么计算一个人什么时候领取社安,对另一个人以后领取社安的影响?

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6degrees
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Will early taking social security by one spouse impact the Benefits for the other Spouse, if both spouses worked before? By how much?

如果两人以前都工作,所谓的双职工,都付社安,退休后都可以按自己以前的工作领取social security。还有Combined Benefits吗?配偶什么时候领取social security,对另外一个以后领取social security有很大影响吗?

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fuz
各领各的,帐号分立。将来有一方不在了,少的承接多的
杏核眼
两个人都工作,除非收入差很多,full retirement 的ssn 收入差一半以上
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kwx
最早62岁,谁没到谁不能领,如果都过了62,都能领
杏核眼
这个是自动的吗?
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6degrees
不影响Spousal Benefits和Combined Benefits?ChatGPT这么说:

问:If both spouses worked before paying social security, will early taking social security by one spouse impact the Benefits for the other Spouse?

ChatGPT回答:

Yes, if both spouses have worked and paid into Social Security, the decision of one spouse to take Social Security benefits early can still impact the benefits of the other spouse. This impact can occur in several ways:

Spousal Benefits: Even if both spouses have their own work history and are eligible for their own Social Security benefits based on their earnings, one spouse may still be eligible for spousal benefits based on the other spouse's work record. If the primary earner takes Social Security benefits early, it can reduce the amount of spousal benefits the other spouse can receive.

Survivor Benefits: If one spouse passes away, the surviving spouse may be eligible for survivor benefits based on the deceased spouse's earnings record. If the deceased spouse took Social Security benefits early, it could reduce the survivor benefits received by the surviving spouse.

Combined Benefits: Couples may be eligible for combined benefits that are higher than what they would receive individually based on their own work histories. If one spouse takes benefits early, it could reduce the overall combined benefits that the couple receives.

In summary, the decision of one spouse to take Social Security benefits early can indeed impact the benefits of the other spouse, even if both spouses have worked and paid into Social Security. It's essential for couples to consider the long-term implications and potential reductions in benefits when deciding when to start taking Social Security. Consulting with a financial advisor or using online calculators provided by the Social Security Administration can help couples make an informed decision based on their specific circumstances.

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6degrees
一个人什么时候领,会影响另外一个以后领取的多少吗?
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6degrees
如果两个人工作的时间差不多,年纪也差不多,一个人什么时候领取,会影响另外一个以后领取的多少吗?
杏核眼
除非你按配偶的退休金领,否则毫无关系。chatGPT说的只适用于两个人收入悬殊的。否则按自己的退休金领,跟配偶一点关系没

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pickshell
原则上62可退休,积累40个点数。至于何时退休如何计算属很个人化的,具体的得去 ssa.gov查。。

https://faq.ssa.gov/en-US/?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwnv 或建立个ACCOUNT输入个人信息。。
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6degrees
如果两个人工作的时间差不多,年纪也差不多,薪水也差不太多,

比如都做IT。就没有影响?

Spousal Benefits 和 Combined Benefits 是怎么计算的?

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6degrees
个人的比较清楚,但 Spousal Benefits 和 Combined Benefits 怎么算?
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pickshell
SSI算法很复杂,涉及因素很多。这里没法很具体答案,你可直接打电话去SSI问。

这涉及到夫妻双方各自工作年限,薪资高低,各自分开或是联合报税记录等等,这些除了SSI 这里没人知道。

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kwx
不影响。除非一个人的工资比一个人高很多,要拿高方的一半
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6degrees
一般人有 Spousal Benefits 和 Combined Benefits 吗?SS网页没有显示出来。
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pickshell
直接打电话去问SSI。
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6degrees
ChatGPT似乎还是回答有影响。不知道真实情况如何?

问:If married couple, had similar working experience and working time, similar salaries, will early taking social security by one spouse impact the Benefits for the other Spouse?

ChatGPT:

If a married couple has similar working experience, similar salaries, and both have paid into Social Security, then the decision of one spouse to take Social Security benefits early may still impact the benefits of the other spouse. Here's how:

Spousal Benefits: Even if both spouses have similar working histories and earnings, one spouse may still be eligible for spousal benefits based on the other spouse's earnings record. If the primary earner takes Social Security benefits early, it can reduce the amount of spousal benefits the other spouse can receive.

Combined Benefits: If both spouses have similar earnings histories, they may each be entitled to similar individual benefits. However, if one spouse takes benefits early, it could reduce the overall combined benefits that the couple receives. This reduction in combined benefits could impact the financial well-being of both spouses in retirement.

Survivor Benefits: If one spouse passes away, the surviving spouse may be eligible for survivor benefits based on the deceased spouse's earnings record. If the deceased spouse took Social Security benefits early, it could reduce the survivor benefits received by the surviving spouse.

In summary, even if both spouses have similar working experience, salaries, and earnings histories, the decision of one spouse to take Social Security benefits early can still impact the benefits of the other spouse. It's important for couples to carefully consider the long-term implications of when to start taking Social Security benefits and to weigh the potential impact on both spouses' benefits. Consulting with a financial advisor or using online calculators provided by the Social Security Administration can help couples make an informed decision based on their specific circumstances.

杏核眼
我觉得首先你要清楚spousalbenefit是干什么的。比如当你退休了,开始领退休金,这个退休金就会不变了。

除非国家因为通货膨胀自己调整。

比如你领退休金的年龄和金额如下,一旦你开始领,你的退休金就不变了。spousal benefit 也会因为你开始领钱的年龄而变化。比如spouse  按你的退休金的50%领,你62岁开始领,她只能拿1900/2=950。但是你67岁才开始的话,她可以拿3000/2=1500。combined也是同样算法。

但如果你们都按自己的退休金领,就跟对方没任何关系了

62领:$1900

65领:  $2500

67领:$3000

Spousal benefit 对两个人工资差不多,年龄差不多的没什么意义。因为你根本用不上它。

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dudaan
注意这句话,你的ChatGPT用的大概是老掉牙的网上信息

In 2015, the federal government changed the rules on filing for Social Security spousal benefits, eliminating some claiming strategies that allowed couples to increase their benefits.
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dudaan
对于你来说,真正的问题是付Medicare Premium和Roth Conversion的影响
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6degrees
具体到我问的情况,是什么结果?还是一头雾水。
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6degrees
请指教。

另外,我没有Roth IRA,退休前没资格,退休以后也不想再搞Roth IRA了,限制太多。

Medicare得65岁以后了。

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dudaan
回答
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6degrees
还没有考虑Medicare,年龄不到。就是想知道对Social Security的影响,还是不是很清楚。
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xlfan11
Use Open Social Security calculator for whatif situation
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6degrees
试过,不得要领。
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AprilMei
YouTube有很多很详细的讲解,中英文都有。这里问到的答案都是支离破碎的。