News: Deaths Due to Omicron Higher Than From Delta

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fuz
楼主 (文学峸)

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20220127/deaths-due-to-omicron-higher-than-from-delta

With the Omicron variant accounting for 99.9% of all COVID-19 cases in the United States, it’s proving even deadlier than the Delta variant.

This week the nation recorded a seven-day average of 2,200 daily coronavirus-related deaths, higher than the daily death count recorded two months ago during the Delta variant surge, The Wall Street Journal reported

That’s also the highest number of deaths since February 2021, when the U.S. was coming out of a winter wave of cases, and the vaccination drive was only a few months old, The Wall Street Journal said.
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CDC study released on Tuesday showed nine deaths per 1,000 cases during the Omicron surge, compared to 13 deaths per 1,000 cases during the Delta surge and 16 deaths per 1,000 cases during last winter’s deadly surge.

The current seven-day average of cases is 692,400 per day, a 6% slight dip from the previous week, while deaths went up 21% from the previous week, CDC Director Rochelle Walensky, MD, said Wednesday at a White House news briefing.

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fuz
别信“大号流感”,“O变不入肺”之类说法,美国正处于新冠病死高发期。医院负荷重,想活靠自己。有密接要检,有症状快治。二个字”别拖
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dudaan
现在大部分美国人已经耐不住了,今天广播听到的民意调查

1)70%的人希望宣布疫情结束回归正常。

2)大多数人反对强制疫苗。

3)大多数人支持强制室内戴口罩。

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fuz
二年前,在开始回家工作的时候,打算二到四周结束,重回办公室。没成想,二年过去,头头让把办公桌清干净,彻底归家干活。
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pickshell
现在个新词“ COVID fatigue” 人们对防新冠已感觉烦了倦怠了
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dudaan
正是,但病毒并不因为烦了就不咬人了
山菊花
我已经获准在家上班直到退休(还有两年),老板让我把办公间(靠窗)腾出来,说好几个人想搬进去:)
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TBz
补充一条

没打加强针的赶紧打。

 

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fuz
俺在等新疫苗
周老大
这波快过去了,下一波要过4-5个月,热天,不怕。然后这Novavax该批了吧?
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fuz
“ Novavax is working on developing an Omicron-specific vaccine ”
甜酒甜
打加强针之前,如果想测哈体内抗体(之前打过的疫苗),该跟他们说测哪种抗体?

抗体好像有不同的吧?

新年快乐!

周老大
听着怎么象是很遥远的事,:)
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fuz
怀疑得过新冠的测N蛋白抗体;打疫苗的测S蛋白抗体。最好两个都测
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TBz
Qualitative detection of IgG antibodies to the spike protein
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fuz
反正这波赶不上了,指望着打针有用的
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value_hunter
为什么CDC的研究跟加拿大Ontario的研究相差这么大

Ontario的Omicron死亡率是Delta的20%不到。Ontario的的研究是追踪cohort并按profile分组对比,似乎更可信。

https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/epi/covid-19-epi-enhanced-estimates-omicron-severity-study.pdf?sc_lang=en

甜酒甜
好的.谢谢夫子和T兄!祝新年大吉!
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julie116
您老连stillborn ,miscarriage 都分不出来,还是歇会儿吧……
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fuz
他又不是妇女,安啦。新年快乐
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value_hunter
猜想CDC研究的问题是

 

CDC研究都是用最大7天的确诊案例,住院和死亡。但Omicron比Delta病程短,所以都用最大7天的住院和死亡数量与base(确诊病例)比,有可能Omicron被纳入的死亡和住院病人比base多。

原文:

The maximum 7-day moving averages of the daily number of COVID-19 cases, ED visits, hospital admissions, and deaths during the Omicron period were compared with the peak 7-day moving averages for the winter 2020–21 and Delta periods. The maximum percentages of inpatient and ICU bed use overall and by COVID-19 patients were compared between periods. For each period analyzed, ratios of ED visits, hospital admissions, and deaths per 1,000 COVID-19 cases were calculated.

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julie116
天天在这发布,需要点医学基础常识吧。新年快乐!
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julie116
年底年初是病毒版本transition 的窗口
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fuz
这个是一个多月前的数据了
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value_hunter
除非你能证明Omicron变得更致病。Ontario的研究也累计了37000个Omicron样本。
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fuz
其实,应该用每十万人口每日病死率更合理。现在“自检”或“自不检”的情况越来越多,病例数已严重失真。
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value_hunter
还是不如追踪Cohort准确。
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AprilMei
把stillbirth翻成流产之前不查一下吗?太misleading。
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fuz
那是。可美国从上到下,正经干事的人不多啊
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fuz
行拉,大过年的,翻篇了。让他下辈子多怀几个
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julie116
抗疫领袖的基本素质不考虑就出现乱打一气的局面
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TBz
关注当下,别等。

新疫苗出现的定式:

- 万众期盼,媒体报道,大肆报道
- 疫苗上市,开打,大批民众注射疫苗
- 发现“副作用”,媒体报道+炒作,民众奔走相告
- 恐慌
- 官方介入,开始调查,
- 发现需要更多的信息,叫停疫苗,或针对某一类人群叫停
- 有了更多信息和更多的发现,原来不过SoSo,
- 重新开放疫苗,补充一些注意事项
- 继续, move on

其实出现这种“副作用”的现象很正常。三期临床万把人,疫苗正式开打至少有几百万人,很可能万把人没有发现的偶然现象,放大几百倍几千倍就看到了,这种小概率事件的关联性,有的是因果,有的是巧合。媒体和民众当初的期望越高,这种现象就更明显。

mRNA 疫苗是这样一个情形
牛-阿 疫苗也一样
到了J&J,还是这个 Pattern

Novavax 会改变?


 

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value_hunter
CDC研究简单粗糙,不合常理,推导荒谬结论。请看:

CDC比较每1000人感染数,住院数和死亡数。结论Omicron比Delta住院下降78至27,死亡下降13到9。那岂不是说Omicron住院者死亡率远高于Delta住院者(9/27 vs 13/78),高出一倍。这明显不合常理,甚为荒谬。我们都知道Omicron住院病人通常较轻,很少有上呼吸机的。能推导出如此结论,明显研究方法有问题。很难相信CDC这样的文章也能发表。

 

原文:

The ratio of peak ED visits to cases (event-to-case ratios) (87 per 1,000 cases), hospital admissions (27 per 1,000 cases), and deaths (nine per 1,000 cases [lagged by 3 weeks]) during the Omicron period were lower than those observed during the winter 2020–21 (92, 68, and 16 respectively) and Delta (167, 78, and 13, respectively) periods. 

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greennew
一个月前,很多omicron新变种无法立即确定,安省和整个加拿大Omicron早已超过Delta死亡人数很多倍。

12月时确定的Omicron经常只是疑似的1/10左右。

对比安省,加拿大与美国的死亡数据,8-10月间Delta的死亡人数,美国只是最近omicron才超过Delta,加拿大疫苗接种比美国晚,而且比率高。

 

周老大
这才是西方国家抗疫失败的根源