Hiking 高手们你们在烈日下暴晒五六小时的防晒伤措施除了涂防晒霜,物理防晒衣物是什么?請支招

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年底要去 Petra 和 Luxor.  两处都是会在烈日下暴晒五六小时的地方。 还有在 Giza Plateau 上的 Saqqara 最近开放了很多墓。墓群分佈很散 所以也是烈日下步行的节奏。

Petra trail 如果不能從 Back Door 进 由 Monastery 走到 Treasury ,就需要 double back, 大概六七小时,还要爬一个八百多石階上去,再爬下来。 Back Door 入口 能让 Bedouin 们的 4x4 到大概 1.5 KM 就是 Monastery 上方 的,那段路五月时关闭 現在仍然没有消息重开。 如果要從 Little Petra 走起 那是 走 8 KM+ 在荒野中才能走到这个点,还不如在 Treasury 入 做 Double Back.  不管怎么样,烈日下五六个小时是不能避免的,除非放弃 Monastery.

埃及的 在 Giza plateau 上的各种金字塔 和 帝王谷 皇后谷 就不用描述了,都是光秃秃的一片土地。

物理防晒霜不知道在当地容不容易買到 质量如何。帶的話要 check bag。我们在多哈有十二小时 layover.  Check bag 很 tricky。Check thru to Amman with such long layover 可能会弄丢,或者根本不可能,因为 overnight.  而且如果要在多哈 claim 那个checked bag, 可能变成入境而不是 transit.  Transit Doha 没有 Covid related 要求,入境多哈的 Covid related 要求极为复杂而且难做, 因为 卡塔尔的系统好像是 manually review the submission then manually approved!  Totally nuts.

所以現在正研究有 UPF rating 的帽子 最好是那种两側和后面有 flap 的,圍脖 和長?子上衣 或者袖套。

各位户外活动,爬山 钓鱼 跑步 徒步 等等的大神们 請分享你们的防晒方法。 謝谢了。

 

威伯
你又不愿意穿muslim burqa, which covers everything except eyes
再看看
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在 outdoor research 上找到这个加在帽子上的 removable sun cape, 还有这个 kid的

https://www.outdoorresearch.com/us/removable-sun-cape-267318

https://www.rei.com/rei-garage/product/190193/outdoor-research-sun-runner-cap-kids

REI 上只有 XS and S 剩下。 在 Outdoor Research 上找不到。他家没有 Kids 的 反而在第三方上有賣。

咪呜
戴个帽子就可以了。国王谷很热。防晒霜早上出来的时候你用一下,之后听天由命吧。你想想一脸

油汗和灰尘,怎么可能再补擦?

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我不想晒伤脱皮呵 那会很痛的
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完全不介意穿那个只是它太長了走trail 不方便。这儿给你說一声 MS 的國内航班很多巳经sold out

我看到我们CAI-ASW 的航班巳经没有在埃航网上 吓得我馬上用 manage booking 把它提出來。Booking intact but the flight no longer a nonstop, now it has a pit stop at LXR so the duration adds an additional 45 min.  Why is that?!

同样 LXR-CAI 9:25 飞的那班也不見了。我们是早一班 8:35。 当时我还想看这个9:25的会不会降价 那可以取消UA award ticket, buy MS 的。 人家已经是 sold out 了。

后知后觉今年是 发现Tut 的墓一百周年记念 有很多活动,Tourism 比平时活跃。 还有 Luxor 很貴!看了 trip advisor 一个 Scot 的实時发貼 那些普通快餐店式的东西curry chicken, can be several days of a local's wage!

再看看
我推荐那个,超轻,湿了很容易干,你这个我没用过。
威伯
啊?机票涨了一倍以上!谢谢提醒,我得抓紧。
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十一月first wk开罗南下的只有很早或很晚的航班还在賣 其它sold out 包括bogus business

你大概率要坐 USD10 的近十小时的日间火車了。

威伯
去Aswan我是坚决不坐火车的!我会飞去阿布辛贝,陆地游轮火车回来,不同的体验嘛。
威伯
我把防晒霜分放在几个小瓶里,不托运。两三个小时补涂一遍吧。
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CAI 飞 ABS 是经 ASW 的 你的行李会被卸下在 ASW. 去 ABS 的航班連Laptop 都不能帶 你知道嗎

火車 Luxor 回开罗是一个近十小时的白天 到开罗已经入黑了。 而且沿途有值得的景色很少。 这个体验於我來看比鸡肋还差。同理 在埃及用 guides 是不想要被无数 hawkers pester 的体验。 Guides 替你挡了一大部分这些 annoyance.  不是所有的体验都是值得的.  Of course this is the classical YMMV. 

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我打算芦荟膠这樣做 防晒霜可以选 solid roll on 没有 lotion 那么好但方便reapply 80min
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Read this on how MS handles the CAI-ABS, and the luggages

This blogger site is designed to forbit copying the contents so you would need to go thru the article and find the information, about 2/3 down.

For the ASW-ABS segment, you cannot leave your hand luggage on the plane.  Your options are to either check the bag at CAI so it would be unloaded at ASW before the plane departs again to ABS.  Then when you return from ABS-ASW, you pick up your bag(s),  or to leave your hand luggage on the bus that is at Abu Simble airport waiting to transport the passengers to the site, and later from the site to the airport.

Because the writer did not want to part with their laptops and other valuables, they chose to do the ASW-ABS-ASW round trip versus booking the multi-cities as CAI-ABS-ASW

https://www.earthtrekkers.com/how-to-visit-abu-simbel-day-trip/

Right now even if you dont mind to leave your hand carry bags on the shuttle bus during the whole time you visit the site,  the flight choices are extremely limited. 

Your thought of waiting for the last minute sale is totally out of reality.  I honestly dont understand why you are willing to spend boatloads of money on the Ponant Antarctica cruise while so skimpy on the Egypt trip, from the Nile cruise to the local guides to the fairly reasonable priced flights... The cost for an Egypt trip is probably less than 1/7 of a Ponant Austral. 

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六月初到Utah 徒步一周,爬山涉水,过沙漠。女生们回来都白白净净的。

1. 带宽沿帽子

2. 最重要:戴neck gaiter. 它有几种叫法。REI有卖。防UV特别好,而且透气。

3. 墨镜。近视的话,戴处方墨镜。

4. 长袖衣。穿短袖的话,手臂穿徒步用的手?(sleeve). 它轻便,抗UV.

5. 戴手套。买那种只露出手指头的薄手套,方便用手机。

威伯
I found no luggage restrictions to ABS

Actually, there is a few things I want to try. First, I want to watch the sound light night show at Abu Simbel, so I'll have to take my luggage and stay in hotel at ABS overnight. I found no document of restrictions on luggage though. I also want to see Abu simbel from air plane view(if I can find a seat on left hand side). Going back to Aswan, I want to see mirage from desert, this plan also avoided round trip car ride. I don't think any travel agent can organize this kind of customization for me. :-)  For those who put luggage experience on trip advisor, I would leave my laptop on airplane safer than take it to shuttle bus. This is not applicable to me as I'll take all my stuff with me and taxi to hotel. Currently, I haven't found any flaw on my plan. As people may not understand, my travel style is a combination of 2 extremes. Just booked MS tickets to Aswan, you're right, only bogus business class seats are available now, but hey, it's not too much expensive, and it has lounge access in CAI, not sure how bogus that lounge is  :-)  Anyway, if my plan ends up with working well, I'll have a comprehensive experience in Egypt. If not, I'll share everything that is not meant to be working. Finger crossed 

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The blogger called MS about the hand luggage. MS told him

Nothing can be left on the plane.  They can leave it on the shuttle bus.  Because of that they chose to take the round trip flights from ASW versus your hoped for itinerary,

I did some researches on the sound and light shows at every location that offers such.  At the end I came to the conclusion that they all are some type of tourist traps.  All sounded very nice but the reality often is way below expection.  那些 technology 还是很久前一直用下来的,你想想那些效果好到那里去? 惟一好的是 多种语言的headset 所以不论是什么语言主导的埸次你都可选择。 Narration 不外就是历史 古代的和現代的 但是投影太差了。

Only time Abu Simbel worths to spend a night would be during the Sun Festival.  You would need to plan for a 2023 trip for that as it is in Feb.

中文怎么說? 理想是丰满的 現实是骨感的。

如果你仍然是在计划階段 of a 2022 Nov/Dec trip,  I wish you luck to weave together what you hope for, based on the trends of how flights and hotels availability are going.   As you already discovered, flights disappeared or went up a lot in prices.  Ditto for the BonVoy hotels in Cairo.  They all went up by 3 to 5K in points and of course 10 to 15% in rates since May or June.

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The MS lounge in CAI is very small, like 20 persons capacity

I checked that before getting our flight CAI-LHR - because BA also uses MS lounge at CAI.  People of both Star Alliance and of course OneWorld on BA, have endless complaints on the very poorly equipped lounge. 

For your overnight at Abu Simbel,  surely there are providers cater for that, and also want an arm and a leg from those who want to have the "experiences".   Go to either Viator or TripAdvisor, search Abu Simbel Sound and Light Show - you will find at least 1/2 a doz or more providers on such.

My opinion on traveling in 3rd world countries, is that extra services that normally you do not need, are wellworth to spend on, because doing so would avoid lots and lots of nuiances / annoyances / frustrations.  Sure, one can still do be the true and true DIY person but NOT worth the hassles in 3rd world countries!  

For that matter, using pre-reserved online transportation service would be quite a bit more than getting a local taxi.  But then you dont have to haggle with the local taxi drivers, who 10 out of 10 would tell you the meters do not work.  You then negotiate the fare with him until one is willing to take your fare...  I dont want to be on the street outside the hotel or the sight, spend 10, 15 min haggling with each taxi driver who would stop and then got one you two come to an agreement.   What a waste of the traveller's time and energy on such haggling.  YMMV naturally. 

I firmly believe services that have a clearly stated price tags, and from reliable providers, are well worth the extra EGPs paid over whatever the EGP cash you eventually agreed after the haggling.  You can try Uber or the local Uber but it depends on the traffic, they are not very reliable.  The advantage is, your app will be in English so supposedly no language barrier.  For us, the ONLY transportation we would need in Cairo is the last day from hotel to CAI.  Everything else, is incl in the tour package.  In Luxor where we stay for 3 nights, we may need taxi in the evening if we want to wonder out further.  The hotel Misr used, is quite close to town center,  versus Hilton resort which is at the North of town center.  Hence we opted to let Misr take care of the hotel in Luxor while we book the hotels in Cairo ourselves.

Besides, the services in Egypt are fairly cheap.  What are expensive, especially when considering the income levels of the locals,  are the meal costs in tourist towns like Luxor and Aswan, especially Luxor.  That is unavoidable,  so be it. 

 

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我皮肤老经晒,不过今年先生给我买了这个,很喜欢:

Patagonia SPF50, from REI, 本来还想再买一件其他颜色的,但是再没有看见。

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謝谢 昨天在REI 上看Buff 觉得会好用 在找?套 不过觉得寛松的 hoodie 也可以 不怕黑怕晒伤

REI hoodie 的袖子長到蓋了一半手背 有个大姆指的洞。穿这个可能不用半指手套了。

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謝信息 昨天就在 REI 上看了一輪。也觉得 Hoodie 有用 男生的有 可能去買男生的 S 碼了
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小竹妈
防晒衣帽比较经典的有Coolibar. 质量很好,品类也多。近年来比较轻薄的,特别是适合女性的品牌有Ibkul,

Jamie Sadock. 虽然Nike 等众多品牌都出防晒衣服, 但是by far, Ibkul, Jamie Sadock 是最舒适美观的, trust me, I have tried many many brands, lol.

Such as this, if you want to have your whole face, neck all covered;

https://ibkul.com/collections/sale/products/ibkareful-convertible-mock-47000?variant=32844638290029

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Thanks for the info. Coolibar costs 3 times more than others

I really dont care about the look.  This can be reflected on our trip photos and videos - we are very very very rarely in the pictures.  LOL.

If the functions are the same, I would not pay for the look.  Coolibar is really charging a premium.  Let those who have the need to have hundreds of personal pix then send to their friends circles pay for that premium.  Haha.

Interestingly I also found it definitely is worth the time to shop around.  Identical items could be priced 50 to 60% differently on various sites!

One Buff Gaiter might have a flash sale on REI site last Friday?  when I first saw it.  It was a sale price around $19.  Yesterday when I pulled it up from bookmark - the darn thing is back to $30.   BUT,  identical technology same brand name Buff,  very very similar print (wild life with a grizzly) - it is available on Amazon at $12 !!!

Another thing probably most others already knew - I found Amazon often price same products by different colors and sizes, based on its inventory level on the item no doubt.

 

熊猫媳妇
我都是长袖长裤,薄的透气好的。 帽子嘛,这个不错。

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B089Y81V29/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 

蒙面大侠了。 

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謝謝。又找到一个特别寛边的 UPF 50, 后面一个很大的 flap. 連接在内

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07R9Y6K7H/?coliid=IEI9SETM48N4R&colid=2FAF7B3DHJ7GX&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it&th=1