州大给a lot of As, actually! 比例大? depends on how to compare

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burnwoodhot
楼主 (文学峸)

For hardcore science, for instance, Department of biochemistry  is the toughest department at a 州大-- It has ~120 freshmen each year who generally dream for MD; but one year later, half of them quit and transfer to other departments like communication, managment, politics, evolution, ect. The rest could sustain through 4-year studies, each year ~ 10% students (6) get GPA 4.0 (全A). The average GPA ~3.4. Overall spearking, around 25% students (~15) have GPA > 3.8-- these are the ones who will apply for MD.

That means, if one wants to straight As, that is not easy; but getting most of As is not that difficult-- In fact, the courses that are tough are taught typically in freshman and sophormore-- In the junior  and senior year--most As and Bs.

For the undergraduates in the soft science majors-- GPAs are really really high-- many courses are sign-up bonus Äs.

For one ivy school I am very familar with, it is very difficult to get high GPAs-- the professors assign grades according to Norman distribution--- A+, A, A-, B+, B, B---- until D- students are very stressed out! 

加州阳光123
以我知道的一些例子,不完全是这样的
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Midwestrural
顶尖私立表示不同意...哈哈..我娃一公立一私立, 问了一下, 州大难多了..

https://ripplematch.com/journal/article/the-top-20-universities-with-the-highest-average-gpas-84ef5edf/

 

这些旗舰州大要保持与私立的竞争力, 不会轻易放水的...基本上都是CURVE来, A的比例小多了.

b
burnwoodhot
Harvard AOs said that our students are the best ones-- they all

deserve As. 

But you might not read my post carefully--- I separated the majors into the hardcore and soft majors-- they are quite difficult! 

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Midwestrural
你说的对, 文理科有很大的不同,我们主要是说理工科,毕竟紫檀多理工....
加州阳光123
看看这篇:

https://ripplematch.com/journal/article/the-top-15-universities-with-the-highest-average-gpas-4f4b544d/

The Top 15 Universities with the Highest Average GPAs Do these schools deserve their top spots?

Read our 2019 ranking of the Top 20 Universities with the Highest Average GPAs here and the average GPAs of every Ivy League university here.

 

Between pulling all-nighters and skipping class to finish an assignment for another class, college students will do anything to keep up their GPA. However, with grade inflation recognized as a prevalent issue in higher education, not all GPAs are created equal. Grade inflation occurs when institutions award students with higher grades than they might deserve, increasing the overall average grade received. While this may result in seemingly more qualified students, it can make it harder to distinguish between two candidates with 4.0s, as well as fairly compare candidates from schools with known grade inflation versus schools without.

 

In our 2018 analysis of thousands of student profiles on our platform (which include self-reported GPAs), RippleMatch found that Ivy League schools rank as the worst offenders of grade inflation, with some of the average student GPAs falling in the A / A- range. While there’s no denying that students at these institutions work hard, it’s worth questioning how much these averages are skewed through grade inflation, and if it’s fair to compare a 3.7 from Brown University to a 3.7 from Baylor University.

 

 

 

1. Brown University

Brown University came out on top with an average GPA of 3.73. Interestingly, the Brown grading system doesn’t record failing grades, and there’s no such thing as a D. The school also doesn’t record any pluses or minuses, so the only grading options are an A, B, or C. Students not interested in letter grades can choose to take a class on a Satisfactory/No Credit basis.

 

Brown might have the highest GPA on paper, but their No. 1 spot is likely due to their extreme grade inflation.

 

2. Stanford University

Stanford has a pretty standard grading system, but also gives students the chance to receive above a 4.0 if they receive an A+ in a class. At 3.68, the average GPA of Stanford students is high, hovering around a solid A-.

 

3. Harvard College, Yale University

These two Ivy Leagues are tied for third place with a 3.63 average GPA, coming in right behind Stanford University. Unlike Stanford, neither Harvard or Yale University offer A+ grades to students and stick to the 4.0 grading scale. Yale cracked down on overly-generous grading after a 2013 report found that some departments mainly awarded A’s and A-’s, which was “close to having no grading at all.”

 

Harvard had a similar problem with grade inflation, with its former Dean of Undergraduate Education Jay M. Harris revealing that the median grade at Harvard was an A-, while the most frequently awarded grade was an A. While both colleges have recognized their problems with grade inflation, their shared third place spot begs the question if any improvements were made.

 

5. Columbia University

Another Ivy League takes the fifth spot with an average 3.6 GPA. Columbia University uses a standard A-F grading scale for most of their individual colleges, but those students can also receive an A+, boosting their GPA above a 4.0. Additionally, many of their graduate or professional schools such as the American Language Program, the School of Architecture, Planning and Preservation, the School of the Arts, the Business School, the School of Journalism, the Medical School, and the Psychoanalytic Training Program, are excluded from the standard grading system, opting for alternate scales such as pass/fail.

 

6. University of California – Berkeley

Breaking from the Ivy League domination, this UC system school is right below Columbia University with its 3.59 average. UC Berkeley grades on a standard grading system, and does offer A+ grades, but no extra points. Additionally, the UC Berkeley student newspaper, The Daily Californian, has spoken about Berkeley grade deflation, pointing out that the university typically awards lower grades than the Ivy League institutions on this list.  

 

While GPA can be a great indicator of a student’s work ethic and skill, grade inflation complicates its ability to serve as an objective tool for assessing a candidate. Notably absent from this list are top schools like MIT and flagship state schools such as Penn State and University of Wisconsin – Madison, all of which had much lower average GPAs. Check out the list of the top 15 schools with the highest average GPAs below, and request a demo here if you're a recruiter interested in connecting with early-career candidates from these top universities.

 

Are you a student looking for awesome entry-level jobs and internships? Sign up for a RippleMatch account here and get matched with exciting opportunities from top companies.

 

 

Download our guide “Beyond The Ivy League” for more information on expanding your recruitment reach and finding students at the top public schools, HBCUs, and HSIs.

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Midwestrural
你这个是新版本....
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burnwoodhot
It is too embarrassed to say that

professors in the public schools are afraid of students-- if you are mean and give a little As, they will fight badly, pointing the fingers to you saying that it is the teachers's fault.

Typically, administrations always support students and professors never win--then, professors' eyes half closed, half openned. Consequently, grades are inflating ( word not sure correct?)

 

 

成功的熊
就几门躲不开的课给分紧。去年疫情是给P/F,选了必修难课的主流学生们喜大普奔:全A有望了。

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burnwoodhot
I interepret that the top schools have largely LACs

have many soft-science majors. The example i gave was just for a tough-science major!

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Midwestrural
CURVE后就是看给A的比例, 州大给的少, 整体GPA都在涨..
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Midwestrural
哈哈, 要是用人单位把P当成C就麻烦了啊...同班的同一门课有A有P....
加州阳光123
No, Grades inflated 发生在私校名校比较多吧 有些州大某些学科教授

评分没curve, 考试超难的也有不少。

b
burnwoodhot
整体GPA都在涨--very true!

As far as i know, the professors in this department typically curve to ˜25% A; 40~50% B.  
r
randomness
楼下可是说的哈佛生读不下来。州大生三年毕业了。到底哪个更难啊?
加州阳光123
我不同意soft science, tough science 之说,虽然有点区别,但是任何一门学科都有最基本的要求,即使是纯文

那么轻松拿A的,一个学校是否grade inflated, 这篇文章已经说得很清楚了,譬如Brown, 没有D, 没有failing courses, 你到州大去看看有没有D,有没有failed courses? 这点说明Brown  相对给学生更多的leeway, 这点也不用否认。

其实用人单位都知道哪些学校的GPA是货真价实的,那些学校的GPA是有水分的,更关键的是用人单位还是看个人能力。

成功的熊
IOI金牌,USACO白金啥的可能会比较郁闷。显示肌肉的机会就这样过去了。
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burnwoodhot
brother/sister:有些州大某些学科教授考试超难

Yes, it is true! But too few of this type of professors these days!

At the beginning of AP career, senior professors would mentor juninor faculty:-- not be too harsh to students- whose evaluation is very critical for AP's tenure.   In the end, professors are easy to students; vice versa-- everyone is happy!  

 

 

b
burnwoodhot
Individual cases, I guess!
加州阳光123
这就用到前两天网友的话了啊,pool 不一样啊,我倒要问了,进哈佛的学生的pool 要比州大生pool 好吧,

为什么读不下来呢?还是说明此哈佛生和彼州大生水平不一样啊,凡事不能一刀切,不是所有的藤校生水平都是高的,也不是所有的州大生水平都是差的啊,能三年毕业的旗舰州大生本身水平就不差啊,我就不明白为什么本坛连这个道理都不能理解呢?

所以我那天看到有网友此类说法不能苟同啊 

b
burnwoodhot
again, B like H-- its student profile is high,

isn't it?

b
burnwoodhot
Haha, we should avoid comparion of

藤校生 and 州大生水平--- they are separate questions-- 

the note here I present is that getting As is not too difficult in  州大.

加州阳光123
LOL 我今天也是用其人之矛攻其人之盾啊,本来就不能片面认为藤校生水平一定高于州大生嘛,

看看楼下我帖的那位州大生成为了CEO后给母校捐款2000万,97年毕业生,跟我们差不多年纪的人啊,我们这里哪位老中做了高管捐过2000万给母校了?

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burnwoodhot
our 州大生 成为了CEO后给母校捐款, too..

but not 2000万-- setting up a lab named after him.

Precisely, it is not 州大生--he is a chinese like us, studying Ph.D. here.

成功的熊
在学业上,周围这几年进H的部分学生和去州大的顶尖学生看不出有啥区别。
加州阳光123
赞!为这样的人点赞!曾认识一位OSU毕业的,现任某企业高管,

真的像OSU说的该校有最大最给力的校友团,他和他太太一直参与给母校捐款,每年录取新生介绍会都在他家豪宅举办,他的车都毫不忌讳地帖着OSU的校名和logo  可见有多fan !  

b
burnwoodhot
defintely you can say this.

州大的顶尖学生 (typically ABCs)-- they are academically qualified for the top schools, too.
b
burnwoodhot
Chinese?

UTA and Aggie have 最大最给力的校友团, too-- they are said to be among the most richest schools, due to the donation of their allumni, particularly football fans.

I think the game started on today.

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randomness
本坛经常认为藤校容易拿A但是老有人读不下来得抑郁症。lol
成功的熊
虽然T5里有很多牛人,但随便选一个就是牛娃的pool只有M的小中男。
加州阳光123
No, American, OSU可能是校友人数最多?反正介绍会的时候这么讲我还半信半疑,

后来看到人家那么粉自己的学校,诚实耐心地回答问题,给我印象很好。记得我们当时问过一个问题,该校CS毕业生在找工作尤其是回到湾区的情况如何?他很诚实地告诉我们学校这方面资源有限,要回湾区还需要自己更多地努力。还看到有个小白男因为喜欢OSU的校园而放弃了IU的business 专业,去OSU 读商,他告诉我们也是因为这位校友更让他对自己的决定有信心。

加州阳光123
藤校和州大生得抑郁症的不在少数,美国18岁以上成年人里有7%的人

有过不同程度的抑郁。

https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/major-depression

 

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burnwoodhot
Brother/sister: UTA and TAMU are way more rich than OSU

UTA # 4 or 5 richest; 

TAMU # 7 richest--

I read this before.

This is why these two schools do not take international undergraduates as much as other state schools as they do not care for out-of-state -tuition and fees.

OSU takes  a large number of young chinese students.

可能成功的P
你会不会引发一场GPA大战呢?嘿嘿,我觉得给我娃GPA冲水的就是好学校!孩子四年不要那么苦哈哈的。别的以后再说。
胡宙
哈哈哈,赞!没想到康奶也在榜上:-)
b
burnwoodhot
could be-- college students are very fragile!

if they have close friends, or are in active clubs, or like sports/ atheletics, these help a lot. 

加州阳光123
True. 以前

曾带孩子去Columbus 玩,商场里看到小留开豪车,背名牌包包,小留男男女女一起。

孩子现在能一眼看出ABC和小留的区别,用她的话就是小留的statement 就是浑身上下一个字“钱”,即浑身上下都是用名牌来打扮自己 :)

b
burnwoodhot
for sure, 不会引发GPA大战-- as parents do not care for GPAs, at all!

胡宙
哈哈哈,越来越欢乐了,大伯能排第六,竟然超过公爵了!?
加州阳光123
Yes 大学时代也是他们认识自我的时代,外加社交,经济,学业,就业等的压力,如果一时间处理不好,

比较容易陷入低潮 运动和充足的睡眠是预防抑郁的好方法之一

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burnwoodhot
By contrast, ABCs only wear T-shirt!
胡宙
看来不光是fed大放水,ed也大放水,难怪标考也不要了。以后每个人都给个A,皆大欢喜:-)
加州阳光123
ABC 不那么在乎品牌,也不会以你是否有钱作为是否跟你交往的标准之一,而更多的是

看who you are 来结识朋友圈的 

b
burnwoodhot
Yeah-- synchronization of GPAs in high schools and colleges--

not too far away!

荔枝枇杷
我也赞同 :) 其实很多大学学习的东西工作中也用不太到或者得重学,四年开开心心的最重要
可能成功的P
有几个贴心的朋友也很重要。
胡宙
想起了韩复渠发篮球的故事

第三個綱目則講他的進校見聞,也就是學生的籃球賽,韓復榘痛斥總務處長道:

「要不是你貪污了,那學校為什麼這樣窮酸?十來個人穿著褲衩搶一個球像什麼樣子,多不雅觀!明天到我公館再領筆錢,多買幾個球,一人發一個,省得再你掙我搶。」

胡宙
唉,典型的老中思维
t
tibuko
这个倒不知道, 如果3/4年级专业课都是那么水, 看医生的时候要当心了
加州阳光123
是的 能一起说说心里话
香草仙子
要点都被你cover住了. 贴心朋友, 有意思的俱乐部, 运动这三项我女儿都有.

最后一项去年有点问题, 因疫情, 她的户外俱乐部不能去隔壁州户外hiking和滑雪了. 她带去 的ski一次都没用上. 这次暑假回家刚开始新项目 - 每天跑步. 这个比较容易有可持续性.