再说一遍, 那是个初中水平的考试。 能爬的, 没它照爬; 不能爬的, 比别人

古道阳关
楼主 (文学峸)

高那几十分是徒增烦恼, 还倍受打击。。。

就好像领带夹(clip), 风度翩翩者没它也潇洒, 对不对?

 

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joytolearn
继续发展下去,标考,EC,竞赛,GPA 升学时都不算数。剩下就只能要么左派比穷,要么右派拼爹。中产的孩子两头够不着。
孵蛋妈
我估计UC还是会有自己的一套标准的

我家啥EC都没有,再不看标考, 真的损失很大 LOL

不过, 去不了UC, 还有很多cal state, 他们看不上的我们去 

 

姜申
大声说你家孩子不考,我佩服你
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12度圆缺
SAT/ACT的确是鸡肋,不过反对取消她的原因是

取消SAT/ACT是反智的一部分,今天取消标考明天就会取消GPA,后天就会取消一切academic相关的指标。

反对取消SAT/ACT不只是小中爬藤问题,更重要的是美国的竞争力问题

 

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beachlver
为啥这么恨SAT?什么水平不重要,关键是能分出高低。想起我出校门第一次工作面试

天有点热,我对面试官说,我把西服脱了噢?

她说,“你穿不穿西服不重要,关键是我们知道你有。”

姜申
再鸡肋也好过毫无标准的门阀/肤色垄断
古道阳关
这么说俺同意
古道阳关
不是还没取消呢吗?
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greenoasis
正反双方来分析一下这一贴。加州小中男。务必看到最后部分。

So a little bit about me: I’m a chinese male, hoping to pursue something in the pre-med sphere. I’m in southern California, and my to be honest, I’m completely surprised by how this whole thing went. My guidance counselor told me that I should beg my safety to let me in, but I got into some reaches so yeah.

Academic Stats:
3.2 unweighted GPA, 3.74 weighted GPA, 1520 SAT (rip me, also my GPA was like a 2.9 when +/- was considered)

EC’s:
Very well known for my talent in music and singing, have performed at Carnegie Hall as well.

3 years of research at UC San Diego, a paper published (as first author),

Shadowing at UCSD Medical Center

Internship at Harvard Medical Center

Co-founder and VP of a non-profit that raised 23,000 through music

Intern at a neurological lab

Some extenuating circumstances with regards to the grades (multiple deaths in direct family)

Now, the fun part! Schools:

Johns Hopkins University (ED, BME) → Deferred (Pretty surprised that they didn’t straight up reject me, but weirder things would end up happening)

University of Michigan at Ann Arbor → Deferred (EA) (Again, a pleasant surprise given OOS and my grades…)

The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (EA)→Denied (Expected, but sad. One of my top couple OOS publics, just because it’s known as one of the best schools for premed)

RD:

University of California, Riverside (RD) → Admitted with scholarship: This is where I actually expected to end up, and it felt kinda bad, just because it wasn’t too strong for research, but I had some friends choosing here over absolutely amazing schools such as UW, UCLA and UCSD because grades may be easier to obtain.

University of California, Santa Cruz (RD) → Not Admitted Rip, I thought that confirmed I was UCR bound.

The University of Washington at Seattle (RD) → Admitted WITH scholarship!! (An ABSOLUTE top choice for OOS publics, and the scholarship they gave me made it equivalent to my state school. I still don’t know how I got in with scholarships, my GPA was 0.8 below the 25th %ile for OOS, and my SAT was around the 75th %ile, but it’s amazing. UW is one of the absolute best schools for premed, out of publics, since they have a very strong bio/biochem department, and a top med school. All my friends who went here got research at the med school for freshman year. The school is known to be a top premed destination, and they were giving me the price of one of my in states. I was very happy).

Case Western Reserve University → Denied (Rip, that one’s pretty good for premed, but I seriously doubt I’d have chosen it over UW)

Purdue → Admitted to the school of Engineering to FYE (Another pleasant surprise but I didn’t want BME as much)

Johns Hopkins → Denied (Expected, Thankful they considered me :) )

Now, things get weirder, before there was just one weird result…

UCSD → ADMITTED (such a pleasant shock, I now had 2 schools I loved to consider, UCSD also has awesome bio department.)

UCSB → Denied (Wasn’t going to choose this over UW or UCSD anyway, so it was fine)

UCI → Waitlisted (Did not accept the waitlist, I had options I liked much more)

UC Davis → Waitlisted (Did not accept the waitlist, didn’t really wanna go)

University of California, Los Angeles → My dream school which I knew I had no chance at lol (Denied) I mean, ofc it stings, but I had other options which exceeded expectations.

Emory University → Admitted (WAIT, WHAT?? I still dk how that happened)

The University of Michigan at Ann Arbor → Admitted (Or how that happened)

New York University → Admitted (Or that one lol)

University of Southern California → Admitted to the Spring Term (Idk how this happened either)

Tufts → Admitted (lol applied bc I had a fee waiver, never really wanted to go)

The University of California at Berkeley → Waitlisted (And offered admission to Spring 2021) What is even happening…

Harvard College: Waitlisted (no words)

Stanford University: Waitlisted (Shocked)

Dartmouth College: Waitlisted (Why do colleges like waitlisting me lol)

University of Pennsylvania: Waitlisted (ok, at this point, it was getting a tad bit repetetive)

Cornell University: Denied (Eh, better than I expected for Ivy Day)

Rice University: Denied (I loved Rice, but they didn’t love me)

Ok, so now UW and UCSD were affordable, and NYU, Emory, Michigan, USC, Tufts etc. were not.

Well, they would have required some loans, but there’s no way any of those schools had a value that’s 30–40,000 dollars more than schools that were already exceptional in my field. So, I eliminated them lol.

Now, the choice between UCSD and UW was tough. It was one of the hardest choices EVER and I was always in between - The academic quality was strong at both. At the end, I decided it was best to go to UW, The University of Washington at Seattle! I used to live in Seattle, and I’ve always been a Husky fan. As a little kid, I remember going to the University every Friday, because I loved being there so much - I loved everything about University Ave, UW is absolutely gorgeous, and I was SO excited to actually be a Husky. Besides, I always wanted to go back to Seattle. Everyone I knew at UW had overwhelmingly positive premed experiences with positions at UW School of Medicine freshman year being a HUGE selling point. I was genuinely so excited to be a Husky and go to Seattle, it was quite literally something I always dreamed of doing, and I was finally doing it. Paying the New Student Enrollment and Orientation Fee was genuinely one of the best feelings ever.

BUT THERE’S MORE TO THIS ROLLER COASTER, SOMETHING CALLED THE WAITLIST!

The University of California, Berkeley → Admitted to Spring 2021. Well, I really wanted to start college in the fall, plus Berkeley premed is rumored to be a very cutthroat environment, and the clinical and research opportunities are seemingly very cut throat and limited. I decided to stick with the UW

Dartmouth College → Not Admitted (Rip)

The University of Pennsylvania → Not Admitted :(

Harvard College → ADMITTED - I freaked out when I got the phone call. Genuinely one of the BEST feelings ever. I switched to Harvard, and thought that was that until…

Stanford University: ADMITTED - How did this even happen?? They emailed me saying an update was posted. Then, I saw confetti and Congratulations. I was crazy happy and told my parents. And then, we saw the aid. It was so generous, I won’t need to take any loans. Such a shock, no other college gave me anything. I registered instantly, and I’m so excited to be a part of Stanford’s class of 2024.

I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t emotionally attached to UW still, but it was Stanford lol. I still wake up every day in awe that I made it. I can’t believe I’ll be attending arguably the best school in the world in the fall. And, I couldn’t be more excited.

To my counselor: YOU WERE SOOOO WRONG lol. Please stop discouraging kids, it’s nice to be realistic, but don’t be condescending. I got into some of the best schools in the world, and some of the best schools for my major. Use my example to encourage other kids; don’t be unreasonably optimistic about their chances but encourage them to apply. After all, none of us really know, not me, not you. Stanford might have made a mistake, but I hope this shows that everyone has a shot at their dream :)

To Prospective Seniors: Good Luck!! We don’t know what’ll happen in Admissions this year, but do your best. It’s an immense amount of stress, and I completely understand. I only really loosened up after getting my UW admission and scholarship. Y’all will hopefully get a second semester of senior year, so please enjoy it!!

姜申
optional。。。
古道阳关
本来就两头都够不着啊, SAT/ACT给个VAGUE/FAKE 希望。。。
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Zinfandel
看不上SAT/ACT那就考GRE,申请上肯定是个亮点吧

 

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greenoasis
关键是得到offer了吗?

我一次面试,跟他们一帮人去吃午餐,他们点酒,还跟我说,没事,大家都喝,你也点一份?LOL

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beachlver
:-)

The answer is YES! 

姜申
符合我的预测。如果我是常规名校AO,我也会据他;如果我是SHY的AO,我会抢他
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12度圆缺
unbelievable,估计是锦衣卫的学生
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greenoasis
好思路。lol.有孩子考过吗?

直接把MCAT GMAT也考了。也许有惊喜。高中生里牛娃多。

古道阳关
这才叫励志, 收下了, 给俺家那臭小子看看。。。
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greenoasis
理由?

好像的确研究很多。

但是也可能是家里有connection。这些研究机会不容易拿到,尤其本身成绩不太好。

另外好像他拿到很多FA. 第一代? 低收入? 但是好像也不是申请的QB。

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greenoasis
这叫

狗shi 运。lol. 一般人复制不了。觉得还是有些东西贴里没说明白。但是的确除了H S其他录取结果都还算意料之中。所以看不懂。

姜申
思维/文化的区别。常规名校尤其是偏理工科的甚至包括M,四平八稳,非常看重GPA。SHY更看重奇点,更愿意承担风险赌一把

 

顶级人才往往不会四平八稳面面俱到。但是不四平八稳面面俱到的,成为顶级人才的概率也不高。

就看各校的思维和文化了。

 

 

成功的兔
Raise money through music & 1st author?
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beachlver
SHY都极重视GPA。S对标考要求稍微活络一点

现在要求的人才, 是全面发展基础上有很大spike

成功的兔
哈哈哈
特洛伊人
我不得不同意你这次
姜申
“3 years of research at UC San Diego, a paper published”,就这一条,我就
姜申
要了。跟这个能力相比,只要GPA不太糟糕,GPA 是 nothing
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greenoasis
小中尤其加州的有爬藤实力的,人人都有研究吧。GPA就是牙疼

牙疼不是病,疼起来真要命。

GPA低在我们这种学校就意味着排名排到沼洼国。他这个得30%以外了吧。连旗舰州大都不用想了。

姜申
我怀疑是HS要了他的Paper读了
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greenoasis
的确music 是大spike, 还raised那么多钱。怎么raised 可能是个领导船的故事。加上做研究发文章

好像明白点了。基本这孩子就是除了标考和GPA低,其他都强。他还有hardship。 拿到很多FA说明家里不富裕。也是大藤更看重的hook.

所以不看标考对他这样的有利。

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beachlver
CC上有些stats/cases是假的,或部分假的, 这个我比较存疑

S和H同时off WL的概率,比彗星撞地球小

在大学干3年研究,出一篇一作,在H/S眼里,根本没啥了不得。
他们见得多了

 

 

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Zinfandel
很多研究经历,还有paper,能募捐到23000这条也很牛很牛

Tufts免了申请费,估计硬件不差

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sji
Gpa太低,不太相信是真的。认识有几个小中都有第一作者文章。

加上GPA4,标准考试近满分,都没有进T5

八音涧
不错的主意啊,理工专业的考GRE,premed的考MCAT,商科的GMAT
姜申
天呐,AO都瞎眼了吗?这些孩子应该essay写三百遍BLM
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sji
第一作者文章有时候不需要太多努力。有的是拼爹,有的是运气

很多年前有一个交换高中学生来系主任做实验,什么都已经设计好了,他只需要记录数据,用了5个星期完成,系主任给了他第一作者

古代的事物
娃还是很有实力的,应该的哈哈哈,gpa比他高的,故事没有这个残缺美
古代的事物
有一定道理。。。
静听秋雨
这个孩子的心理素质超好,抗逆性强。

Some extenuating circumstances with regards to the grades (multiple deaths in direct family)

leadership:

Co-founder and VP of a non-profit that raised 23,000 through music

坚持长期做两件事:音乐和研究

 

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greenoasis
小中长期坚持这两样的都快是标配了。他应该是楼上说的除了这些,残缺美是其他人没有的

所以也只有H S慧眼了。其他学校按照常规录取,没看上。

古道阳关
Essay 应该不错, 人也很风趣, 绝对不是天天复习SAT 那种。
古道阳关
Essay 应该不错, 人也很风趣, 绝对不是天天复习SAT 那种。
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amiyumi
不太相信是真的,藤校GPA没那么低的,而且也没有什么spike。