地税

杨白老
楼主 (文学峸)

去年上诉到州里要求减地税,今年6月中旬马上要开庭宣判了,4月底之前双方互通信息,没有达成协议,日前收到镇里律师发来的信,要求6月2号dismiss case ,理由是我们没有提供案例比较,我们实际提供了一例,接下去不知道该怎么做了,以为很简单的事情有点复杂,谢谢大家

柠檬椰子汁
对方律师的话,你可以反驳啊。关键是反驳的时候要引经据典。

对方来信中说要求提供案例比较,肯定会引用要求案例比较的条例(citing the law/regulation requring comparison),比如说“pursuant to zoning regulation §xx-xx, any appeal shalt include recent sales/appraisal comparison ... "  etc etc. 

你的回应,应该以法律或者条例为起点,阐述你们提供了比较,而且比较案例符合条例要求。

如果对方来信中没有引用相应的法律或者条例,给对方律师打个电话,问他们他们的要求从何而来。

柠檬椰子汁
对方律师的话,你可以反驳啊。关键是反驳的时候要引经据典。

Can J2 transfer to H1 without waver? Thanks.

杨白老
谢谢你

谢谢你,信里写的 plaintiff's failure to furnish th trial-ready appraisal,or list of comparable sales,to defendant by wednesday ,April 30,2020 may result in the involuntary dismissal of plaintiff's complaints,under R.4:37-2(a) and/or under R.8:6-(B).

镇里来做了appraisal,所以我没有再请人做,给了一例。

因为我家地下室没有装修,长年一直被错误估成finish, 所以觉得减税不会有问题的,汗

柠檬椰子汁
wait a minute, what did you use?

"镇里来做了appraisal,所以我没有再请人做,给了一例。"

So you are challenging the tax appraisal of your house.... and you used the exact same tax appraisal as evidence?

Or do you mean you just submitted one comparable of sales, and did not submit another appraisal?  I don't think that's enough. 

I don't know what R.4:37-2(a) and/or under R.8:6-(B). is, but normal logic would be that you submit your OWN appraisal, which includes a list of comparables. 

Please explain yourself. 

 

杨白老
具体是

镇里给出的估价是34.5万,我给的例子卖价38.5万,2个房子完全一模一样,除了装修,还有完成了地下室,我的房子跟这个例子一样的地税,就是这样。我接受镇里的估价,我做得不对是吗,谢谢你

查了那2个条例

§ (a) For Failure to Comply With Rule or Order. For failure of the plaintiff to cause a summons to issue within 15 days from the date of the Track Assignment Notice or to comply with these rules or any order of court, the court in its discretion may on defendant's motion dismiss an action or any claim against the defendant. Such a dismissal shall be without prejudice unless otherwise specified in the order

 

(b) Exchange of Appraisals and Comparable Sales and Rentals. 

 

柠檬椰子汁
在下才疏学浅

我不知道镇里的appraisal的目的是什么。难道镇的appraisal不就是tax appraisal吗?

如果镇里面的appraisal不是tax appraisal,那么你需要把镇里的appraisal要一份authenticated copy,然后放到你appeal的fliing里面去。你去法院证据都是双方提供,法院人员不帮你去找证据。

that's all I got without getting too involved.  Please do your homework if you want to save attorney fees. 

杨白老
谢谢你,占用了宝贵的时间

我们镇用assessment value 来计算地税,我家27万,给的例子也是27万一模一样,我要来了细节,发现一个finish 地下室就1万3,10几年一直被多交这部分地税,找了镇里不肯改,说你已经上诉了,跟appraisal 怎么联系的没搞明白,所以觉得自己做一份评估意义不大,然后 就只提供了这一份例子,现在直接实事求是跟法官解释,有用吗

柠檬椰子汁
Here is what you need

You need an appraisal report, attesting that your house has unfinished basement.  Whehter your house worth 345K or 385K is less relevant.  Otherwise how can you prove that your house has unfinished basement? 

Also, the law requires an appraisal, then get an appraisal.  Stop putting your own interpretation into the law you don't understand. 

An appraisal is not the assessment.  This is a sample appraisal report

https://www.keyrealtyandappraisal.com/xSites/Appraisers/keyrealty/Content/UploadedFiles/SAMPLE%20APPRAISAL%20FHA%2082009.PDF

 

杨白老
没有想违背法官的要求

appraisal是一个选项,也可以举例证明,我只给了一个,可能少了,但以这个dismiss case,有点冤。以为很简单的纠错,最后搞得很复杂。谢谢你,谢谢你解惑

柠檬椰子汁
Where does it say appraisals are optional?

"(b) Exchange of Appraisals and Comparable Sales and Rentals. "

Exchange of "Appraisals" AND "Comparable Sales and Rentals". 

"plaintiff's failure to furnish th trial-ready appraisal,or list of comparable sales,to defendant by wednesday ,April 30,2020 may result in the involuntary dismissal of plaintiff's complaints"

The law requires "appraisals" AND "comparables".  The plaintiff's failure to funish either one of them, may result in the dismissal. 

Logic checks out.  It's not optional. 

老乡,你这个案子,去出庭说不定能够混过去,因为我不知道你们那里法庭是什么风气。但是就事论事,你的功课做得不够。

杨白老
有照片,对方律师承认了unfinished basement
杨白老
这是我网上搜来的解释,法官发的信里给了选项

要么估价,要么comparable properties

柠檬椰子汁
杨白老
汗,谢谢你的帮助
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hz82000
如果仅仅是一万多地下室装修区别,省多少税钱?我自己做了2个appeal,都成功了,

一个是差了十几万,退了900税钱(半年),一个省了700

你如果今年输了,明年还可以再 appeal 吧?

一个房子我拿了邻居的做比较

一个房子我出示了 final sale price,进去只有几个月,没有做过upgrade

 

 

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Shanghaigirl98
我是2012第一次成功后,连减三年; 第四年镇政府邮件只给降1000刀;

第五年开始年年败诉, 去年找了几个律师也做不了,最近几年卖出的房子和我难做比较,且卖出的数量也不多。

杨白老
现在

好像变成了法律程序问题,而不是地税本身的问题,感觉凶多吉少

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hz82000
你搞几个周围的房子比较一下,不成的话,明年再试,我

一次写信搞定了,一次去town里,递上文件,他们几个人坐那里,有一个问题很重要,你认为市价多少?我给了一个数,后来他们来信批了,再后来就收到一张退款支票

杨白老
你所在的town 不错,我现在已经告到州里,等有结果来报告
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Shanghaigirl98
凶多吉少?不会吧,难不成败了连本带利一并罚?