中国高考平均分:语数外总分450,广东246.8/450=55%。 比美国平均分,好点?

郭大平
楼主 (文学峸)

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borisg
美国2024年平均SAT是1024。这是什么意思呢,是所有问题在可以瞎蒙的情况下只答对50%。其实自己真正知道答对的只有

其实自己真正知道答对的只有大概1/3。

最接近太阳的人
没可比性
郭大平
美国的阅读/数学/科学熟练度,为什么不能和中国高考成绩相比较?
蒋闻铭
中国中学,是应试教育,和美国中学教育,没用可比性。比较中美的中学教育,没有意义。要比较,比大学,特别是研究生教育。
蒋闻铭
就说语文,中文难学无比,学英文就容易很多。没法比。
郭大平
SAT, 瞎蒙就能答对50%?除非全是TRUE/FALSE选择题。
b
borisg
四个选择。瞎蒙蒙中的比例是1/4。 会1/3,剩下的2/3蒙中1/4是1/6,共计50%。
郭大平
中国人不会觉得中文难学。是外国人觉得中文难学。
哪一枝杏花
不不不不不,这些难度,前面5年应该已经解决了基础问题。语言的难度,完全依赖这个文明的思想深度
哪一枝杏花
教育理念不同,一个是培养独立创新的,一个是培养人云亦云的。其实,中美的教育都很成功。中国尤其成功
郭大平
那中国考生55%的分数中,应该也是存在瞎蒙的部分的。比如数学考试中,也有许多简单题,是送分题。
蒋闻铭
英文学两年,抵中文学五年。您要说这个文明的思想深度,那就更没法比了呀。:)
哪一枝杏花
中文要是没有老子和易经,就其他的四书五经,需要学多久?
蒋闻铭
象形文字,跟拼音文字,学起来的难度,有量级差。
哪一枝杏花
英文语法,是中学学的。英文的单词数量巨大,还包含莎士比亚的英语
郭大平
不觉得在中国中小学,培养人云亦云的成分就一定那么高!
哪一枝杏花
应试教育,就是人与亦云么
蒋闻铭
就说Harry Potter,英文二年级就能读,中译本,五年级都读不了。
蒋闻铭
学英文不用学语法,读写都不用,您难道不知道?
郭大平
中国很多人在小学,也可以读西游记,连环画了。
哪一枝杏花
读读 说文解字,象形文字,是天然存在的,不应该难。反而拼音文字,逻辑在哪里呀?
哪一枝杏花
我2年级的暑假,就读红楼梦和西游记了,不信任何美英的小孩,2年纪能读莎士比亚
蒋闻铭
拼音语言,看到一个词,就能读出来,读出来就认得。不需要先认后读。
哪一枝杏花
冒昧问一下,你小孩的学习你管过吗?甚至,你和他们聊天吗?
哪一枝杏花
天呀,你试试古罗马的著作?你知道它们有多少词语吗?
郭大平
中国其实是大学教育不行。中学教育还行。许多留学生到美国读大学,不比当地人差,就证明中学教育还是不错的。
蒋闻铭
一共二十六个字母,在一起拼读发音,很容易。会说话的孩子,读出来就认得了,所以读书超级容易。:)
哪一枝杏花
不,我和这里的好几个朋友聊过这个问题,包括我,我们一直认为,我们洗掉了原来的思考方式的很大一部分,重新学的
蒋闻铭
哪个孩子,需要去读古罗马?疯了吗?
邵丰慧
中国的中小学教育在数理化基础上。略胜一筹。但是在文史哲方面,差距大了去了。

Covid 期间, 我读了我孩子小学五年级的历史书,真是被感动到了。

开篇就说,历史书上的记载,很大概率是假的,我们必须设身处地的去分析,尽可能的还原事件真实的样子,或者其可能性。 

对每个历史事件,都从不同的角度来解读,比如对发现新大陆,哥伦布到底是不是个英雄还是刽子手, 就从多个角度,拿出各种证据,让孩子认识到, 历史人物的复杂性,和哥伦布在那时的困境。 问孩子,如果是你,你会怎么选择。

中国孩子呢? 从小背诵统一答案。完全不教逻辑。 

蒋闻铭
都是我教大的。手把手教的那种。:)
哪一枝杏花
我读博的3年,工作的前2年,一直在经历这个过程,一直到工作的第三年,我才有一种醍醐灌顶的感觉,研发没有任何束缚
哪一枝杏花
他的英文写作怎样?
蒋闻铭
我女儿大学二年级,跟同学说,他爸是Stay home dad.:)
哪一枝杏花
读和读懂不算一回事
蒋闻铭
在同学中,一直是最好。:)
哪一枝杏花
那你读读莎士比亚?我觉得是折磨
郭大平
袁腾飞的历史课,就包含了逻辑。不用逻辑,历史事件是记不住的,历史也是学不好的。
波粒子3
一个主要原因是历史书只是一本书却要叙述上千年发生的事,总是会漏掉许多重要的事,给人错误的理解
哪一枝杏花
数理化,好的高中,一定比国内的要好。高中以前是不如中国的
蒋闻铭
如果您说的是原著,那您是天才中的天才。三年级我报纸都读不了。
哪一枝杏花
不是中小学
哪一枝杏花
美国高中最难的课是APUSH,和时间的长度没有直接关系
邵丰慧
非常同意 。
蒋闻铭
我孩子二年级,读Harry Potter。到高中,才读荷马史诗,莎士比亚。:)
邵丰慧
中国中小学历史,薄薄的一本,就那样都让人头疼,都是要死记硬背的东西。都是一刀切的英雄或者贼蔻。 袁腾飞,在国内不是被封了
蒋闻铭
您这个话是真懂行。最麻烦的课,是APUSH,美国历史。
郭大平
听说美国人的数学不如中国。
哪一枝杏花
我小孩,美国生的,高中毕业读红楼。中文如果这么难,怎么可能会读?
波粒子3
美国大学里修历史课,教授会要求学生读许多本书,不是只用一本教科书
邵丰慧
我自己也经历过一个全面改变思维方式和认知的过程。
哪一枝杏花
美国人算术不如中国人,中国人数学不如美国人
邵丰慧
中国的高中,要按照高中的大纲来,比如数学不教微积分。 美国的高中,是按照孩子的进度来,不设置上限,高中可以教大学内容。
蒋闻铭
My God。我的孩子,不会中文,听说都不会。现在一天天的骂我,没教他们中文。
老生常谈12
SAT题大部分是初中题,比中国高考题简单得多。

美国高中生准备SAT花的时间和努力比中国高中生差得多了。

蒋闻铭
证明我不是吹牛胡编。这是我女儿大学一年级的一篇作文:

                                                    It Never Stops Flowing  

 

“Daddy, are you sure that the sand crabs are happy? They don’t look very happy.”

As my dad and I find a less crowded spot on the warm Santa Monica shore, the invasive

sand creeps into every crevice of my body. I pick up a bright red sand bucket, a shovel so

yellow it competes with the sun, and his hand. The crisp sound of the shovel digging into

the sand makes my ears perk up, and I give another four digs before I finally see tiny,

grey antennas appear, anxious and scrambling to escape the sand. I cup my left hand and

gently push away the sand surrounding the crab. When I have a secure grip on him, I

scurry to the bright red bucket that is filled with salty, ocean water.

“Daddy, I think he needs sand, just so he feels like he’s at home!” I call out as I shovel sand into the bucket.

Within two hours, I have captured 25 sand crabs, and I return with my dad to our red and

orange striped towels further back on the beach. I watch the crabs for another 30 minutes,

as they emerge, submerge, and climb over one other in an attempt to achieve the seemingly impossible task of escaping the sand. As the sun begins to set, and pinks and purples fill the sky, I can sense that it is time to say goodbye to my 25 new friends. With all my strength, I lift the bright red bucket and tip it onto its side.

 

*          *          *         

 

            I lift the key tray off of its side, taking only the rectangular block that leads to my father’s car, and call out, “It’s time to go!”

            “Who’s driving? My newly permitted 15-year old, or me?”

            “I think we both know the answer to that question already!”

            After a minute of struggling, my dad and I burst into a fit of laughter as we realize why the car won’t start – my foot isn’t on the brake. This realization is quickly interrupted by a high-pitched whine from the other side of the garage door.

            “Are you sure we don’t want to bring him?” my dad asks, accompanied by his very-own puppy dog eyes.

            “You know he’s not actually allowed inside of the grocery store, Dad. And we have a long list of things to buy today.”

            “Good thing no one can tell me where my dog is and isn’t allowed to be!” He propels himself out of the passenger seat and into the garage, emerging moments later with our four-month old puppy, Dash, between his arms.

            “You do this every morning and it is actually quite annoying,” I passively comment as I pull out of the driveway, and into the broader neighborhood.

            “Oh, stop being so dramatic. We all know he’s nicer to me than you and your brother,” my dad responds, as his gigantic smile shoots out the window towards the warm summer skies, and plethora of cacti. He picks up the auxiliary cord, and plays our “Everyday Grocery” playlist, that is exclusively Tchaikovsky, Chopin, and Grieg. These melodies fill the confines of the small sedan, and my dad and I sway side-to-side, amidst the same stoplights, signs, and one-way road we have taken my entire life to our local Bashas.

            Once I have pulled into the slanted-parking space, and the car is properly parked, I am distracted by my peripheral, in which Dash’s nugget tail swiftly swings against my father’s uniform khaki pants. My dad opens his door, Dash hurls himself out of the car – an enormous leap for his six-pound self – and drags my dad through two opening, automatic doors.

 

*          *          *         

 

I apply just enough pressure to my bedroom door handle, so that it is as close to silent as possible as it opens. For the first time in twelve years of school, I have been awoken by the sound of my phone’s blaring, guttural alarm, and not my father’s soothing whisper, “It’s another beautiful day to wake up and learn!”

 As I step out of my bedroom, and my feet contact the ice-cold, tile floor, I am forced to pass through the kitchen, where my dad is seeping his second cup of tea for the morning. We make eye contact, holding it only for an intense, but brief moment before I swiftly move past his viewpoint and into my secluded bathroom. Moments later, he appears and knocks on the bathroom door.

“Amanda, the deadline is approaching, so let’s stop being childish and just talk about it.”

“Dad, there is literally nothing to hash out; stop trying to make big life decisions for me. This actually has nothing to do with you.”

“It has everything to do with me because it’s about how my daughter is choosing to spend her next four years, and her entry into the real world. I’m also paying, so that should hold some weight.”

“It’s honestly cute that you think you can try and force me to spend some of my most crucial developmental years somewhere I don’t actually want to be, just because you’re paying. Please, cut me off. I’d rather take loans to go somewhere I will actually enjoy than suffer for free. Because I can do that anywhere.”

            “What’s crazy is that you somehow think I’m trying to make you suffer; as if I don’t want what’s best for you! I know you can’t actually understand what it’s like to be a parent, but you’re not so dumb to think that I wouldn’t want what I actually believe is best for you.”

            “Have you ever entertained the idea that I’m old enough now to make these decisions? And know what’s best for me?”
            “How many times are we going to go through this same loop of fighting?”

            “Until you realize and accept that UPenn is an amazing school and where I want to end up, more than anything! And that early-decisioning gives me my best shot.”

 “You know, I really can’t do this whole fighting thing. I knew I shouldn’t have sent you there for the summer. You can do what you want, but I think that you know I’m right. Regardless, the choice is yours. Just remember that I know a lot more than you.” He sighs and outstretches his hand; a sign of complacent acquiescence.

 

*          *          *

 

 My father pulls with great weight on my hand as he helps me off of the charcoal pavement, chuckling to himself. “I’m going to get it, I swear,” I mumble underneath my breath.

“I can’t believe my daughter is eighteen years old and doesn’t know how to ride a bike.”

“And I can’t believe my parents never thought to teach me. And that I’m going to the one university where a bike is NOT optional.” 

“We could get you a scooter?” He jokingly nudges my arm, picks the beaten-up, vomit-green bike from the ground, and places it once again in front of me. I hobble over the seat, grip the handlebars until my hands turn three shades lighter, and let out a deep sigh.

“Well, the good news is: you’ve only fallen twice today. Bad news is: you obviously still need me to push you,” he remarks as he aligns himself with the back-wheel.

            I push off of my left foot and begin to pedal. In stark contrast with my dad’s heavy pants, as he sprints to keep up with the moving bike, I refuse to let a single sip of air escape my mouth, and internally scream, “Please don’t fall, please don’t fall,” as I remember my dad’s tips: look straight ahead, and focus on where you’re going. As the pressure of his hands against my back releases, and the sound of his pants dissipates, the words “Keep going! Pedal faster!” encourage me as I speed down the pavement. His laughter fades into the distance as I speed toward and loop around the narrow, dead-end cul-de-sac.

 

*          *          *         

 

 As my Uber reaches the end of Galvez Street – my new, routine cul-de-sac – I quickly sprint into my dorm room, and answer the persistent ring of a Facetime call from home.

“One second – I’m closing my door! People are being noisy in the hallway,” I call over my shoulder to the computer screen, where my dad is patiently waiting.

When he sees me reappear, he asks, “So exactly which problems do you need help with? None seem too difficult.”

“Wait, before we start, can I see my doggo? I don’t believe that he’s actually twelve pounds now! The vet probably made a mistake.”

“Just you wait and see. Also, he is objectively my dog now.” I roll my eyes as he disappears from the screen, and I hear him distantly seek Dash, “Your old master is calling you, Dash!”  

I see their silhouettes approach the camera, and cannot contain my laughter.

“Good God, you really weren’t kidding! How did he get SO big?! I told you to stop feeding him so much human food.”

“I’d rather have a fat and happy dog with a sense of good food than one who only eats kibble. Besides, there’s more of him to love now.”

“I mean, I guess nothing I say will change your opinion on that one.”

“Okay that’s enough about the dog; what problems do you need help with?” I watch as Dash scurries away; rather than contain a simple nugget tail, he himself has now become – well – a sturdy grey nugget.

“I still can’t believe you let the dog get so big.” I pull out my homework and then prompt my father, “Supplemental Problem G Part B. I don’t understand how I’m supposed to go about this – you know I’ve never formally written a mathematical proof.” 

“I do know that, but I also know that I tried teaching you in high school, only to be told it doesn’t matter. As always, you should’ve listened to me.” 

He spends the next ten minutes walking me through every detail of the problem, checking in every few seconds – “did that make sense? Did you not already go through this in class?” – and making his own comments along the way – “I teach this same way to undergraduates. I love that they’re forcing you to do this. You can’t tell me that math isn’t cool after all of this!”

As I frantically flip through the pages and take pictures for submission, he prompts, “Okay, so how’s everything else? Do you have time to talk with me and mom?”

“Sorry, daddio. Wish I could, but I have to turn this in really quickly; a bunch of my friends are downstairs waiting for me so we can go to the beach. Love you, thanks for the help – talk to you soon; tell Mom I miss her!” The call ends and I bolt out of the door.

 

*          *          *         

 

            My feet sink into the warm, crisp sand, and my unconscious instinct leads me to sprint straight into the water, where a slight breeze pushes against me. The ice-cold water pierces through my skin, and I stand tall. My gaze ahead is exactly that of when I am biking through the beautiful green and elegant archways of campus, as my father’s words remain: look straight ahead, and focus on where you’re going. And as I stare ahead, mesmerized by the rhythmic percussion of waves against the sandy shore, my mind wanders. Where did all of the sand crabs go?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Lisland_2013
中国学校的历史课是政治老师上的。毫无逻辑
老生常谈12
北京普通高中在1980年代就有微积分了,有高中生曾经问我微积分题。
哪一枝杏花
是这样,小孩说英语每周200页的阅读,连痛苦哀嚎的时间都没有 :)
哪一枝杏花
是的,很好。但明显不是口语语法
哪一枝杏花
周六的中文班,坚持了8~9年。前面痛苦,后来也说,望文生义就行
哪一枝杏花
我们学校就没教
精木
袁腾飞聪明,但不如我。我一开始背得死去活来,窥见中共伪政权开设政治课目的后,发现只要按它的意思胡诌,基本都能得满分
精木
当时对中共伪政权的历史,跟广大同学一样,只是国军也抗日,让我对中共伪政权的真实历史产生疑问:不是说抗日都是共产党打的?

“蒋介石躲在峨眉山上,抗战胜利后,就跑下山来摘桃子”?怎么真实的历史是,绝大部分战斗是国军打的?

哪一枝杏花
哈哈,我的政治课就是这样的
邵丰慧
我90年代上高中,都不教,上了大学才开始学,有种相见恨晚的感觉。
精木
“蒋介石躲在峨眉山上,抗战胜利后,就跑下山来摘桃子”?怎么真实的历史是,绝大部分战斗是国军打的?所以说,说一个谎,

要几十个别的谎来园。只要一处破,就全面奔溃,处处破。

后面就是顺理成章了,分析了中共伪政权想要的,什么是它的目的? 就是洗脑,说它如何好,如何为国为民、伟光正,那就按它的意思说呗!后来大学政治课非常轻松,基本上不花什么功夫。

在出国之前,除了公开信息(国军抗日)外,我当时并不知道中共伪政权还有其他那么多的罪恶和血债!

中共伪政权的真实历史和真实身份,就是苏联一手炮制、长期豢养、最终成功扶植到中国的共产独裁法西斯政权。

它的本质就是反人民、反民族、反民主 (为便于记忆,简称“三反”),中共伪政权血债累累、罪恶累累,对中国人民犯下滔天罪行!

哪一枝杏花
看来中国也是越来越容易
精木
要几十个别的谎来园。只要一处破,就处处破。

要几十个别的谎来园。只要一处破,就全面奔溃,处处破。

后面就是顺理成章了,分析了中共伪政权想要的,什么是它的目的? 就是给大众洗脑,说它如何好,如何为国为民、伟光正,那就按它的意思说呗!后来大学政治课非常轻松,基本上不花什么功夫。

在出国之前,除了公开信息(国军抗日)外,我当时并不知道中共伪政权还有其他那么多的罪恶和血债!

后来知道中共伪政权的罪恶,是出国后了,随着互联网的兴起和苏联垮台后的资料解密,更多的中共伪政权真实历史被揭发出来。

当时接触到这些,心情是非常沉重的。不愿再去回看。

被中共伪政权杀害的中国人实在是太多太多了!而且都太冤!无法说理!毫无道理!共惨党就是道理!

中共伪政权的真实历史和真实身份,就是苏联一手炮制、长期豢养、最终成功扶植到中国的共产独裁法西斯政权。

它的本质就是反人民、反民族、反民主 (为便于记忆,简称“三反”),中共伪政权血债累累、罪恶累累,对中国人民犯下滔天罪行!

郭大平
可能就数学来说,美国认为有初中做基础,就可以够用了。没必要考那么多高中知识。比如,在你后来的工作生活中,高中数学有用?
老生常谈12
SAT I没有物理化学生物历史地理等,只有英语和数学。而subject SAT又不要求。
原上草2017
张口就来,根本不需要圆谎。现在打倒,过一阵再平反,这叫做“与时俱进” 。