if you decide to look for another job, find one. the moment you start applying, plus 7 days, your department will know.
if you are not even confident you will find another job, what makes you think you have more cards to play by moving now or a movement will benefit your research?
【 在 mitbbscop (cop) 的大作中提到: 】 : if you decide to look for another job, find one. the moment you start : applying, plus 7 days, your department will know. : if you are not even confident you will find another job, what makes you : think you have more cards to play by moving now or a movement will benefit : your research?
【 在 mitbbscop (cop) 的大作中提到: 】 : if you decide to look for another job, find one. the moment you start : applying, plus 7 days, your department will know. : if you are not even confident you will find another job, what makes you : think you have more cards to play by moving now or a movement will benefit : your research?
【 在 mitbbscop (cop) 的大作中提到: 】 : No department chair likes it. But some are okay with it. : Again, if you prepare to leave, leave. You need to apply to safe schools too.
you have a fundamental misunderstanding about the job market. you are an employee. you are not an entrepreneur. frequent job hoppers are not appreciated by ANY department or university. having a reputation of moving frequently and going after money will only stop future offers from coming. this is true universally, big name or not.
faculty当然是entrepreneur，除非是teaching school 学校还指着你拿外部funding抽overhead呢
后面的学校的确 教授跟学校叫板的资本很小,处处看领导脸色
不过R1里面自己没有实验室，只教课的deadwood也是这样 系里放p都没人理
学校里面么，论文基金这些是根本，核心竞争力
【 在 mitbbscop (cop) 的大作中提到: 】 : you have a fundamental misunderstanding about the job market. you are an : employee. you are not an entrepreneur. frequent job hoppers are not : appreciated by ANY department or university. having a reputation of moving : frequently and going after money will only stop future offers from coming. : this is true universally, big name or not.
i happen to have firsthand witnessed the very best in the field all the way through the middle of the road. and unfortunately, only research schools. again, my comment is universal.
and you misunderstand an institute built on relationships and interpersonal connections, with an institute with a boss. no tt faculty needs a boss, but it is essential to have a system where decisions are made through rational discussions and fair negotiations.
your ideal world appears to be transactional, where the highest bidder wins, and there is no difference whether you know the next door neighbor in the department or not. that is the employment model of walmart or mcdonalds.
【 在 mitbbscop (cop) 的大作中提到: 】 : i happen to have firsthand witnessed the very best in the field all the way : through the middle of the road. and unfortunately, only research schools. : again, my comment is universal. : and you misunderstand an institute built on relationships and interpersonal : connections, with an institute with a boss. no tt faculty needs a boss, but : it is essential to have a system where decisions are made through rational : discussions and fair negotiations. : your ideal world appears to be transactional, where the highest bidder wins, : and there is no difference whether you know the next door neighbor in the : department or not. that is the employment model of walmart or mcdonalds. : ...................
【 在 mitbbscop (cop) 的大作中提到: 】 : i happen to have firsthand witnessed the very best in the field all the way : through the middle of the road. and unfortunately, only research schools. : again, my comment is universal. : and you misunderstand an institute built on relationships and interpersonal : connections, with an institute with a boss. no tt faculty needs a boss, but : it is essential to have a system where decisions are made through rational : discussions and fair negotiations. : your ideal world appears to be transactional, where the highest bidder wins, : and there is no difference whether you know the next door neighbor in the : department or not. that is the employment model of walmart or mcdonalds.
现在AP第二年了，多了几篇文章，拿了几个co-PI的grants。最近看到market上有一些
适合的职位，正考虑要不要投一下。
我们领域AP跳槽的很多，2年跳槽的也很多。有人建议再等两年，到快tenure再跳，但
我觉得早跳我更主动一些，对自己研究也有利。
我的顾虑是：如果现在跳槽最后没拿到offer会对现在的职位有负面影响吗？ 我们圈子就这么大，申多了早晚会让系里的人知道。 怕系里知道我想走，给我tenure
promotion穿小鞋。
求有经验的给些建议。
applying, plus 7 days, your department will know.
if you are not even confident you will find another job, what makes you
think you have more cards to play by moving now or a movement will benefit
your research?
正常的系主任高兴还来不及的吧
肯定想办法留
没本事还走不了的
呆着才郁闷 天天看人脸色
当然明面上还是要表现出热爱现在的单位
【 在 BenNevis (Alex) 的大作中提到: 】
: 地理位置不佳，刚来就想跳了。只是迟早的问题。
: 现在AP第二年了，多了几篇文章，拿了几个co-PI的grants。最近看到market上有一些
: 适合的职位，正考虑要不要投一下。
: 我们领域AP跳槽的很多，2年跳槽的也很多。有人建议再等两年，到快tenure再跳，但
: 我觉得早跳我更主动一些，对自己研究也有利。
: 我的顾虑是：如果现在跳槽最后
排名高，要么比现在位置好，竞争也更激烈。条件差不多的我也懒的申。
我想知道一般系里对这种“骑驴找马”的行为是什么态度？毕竟start-up还没花完就想走感觉有点不地道。
【 在 mitbbscop (cop) 的大作中提到: 】
: if you decide to look for another job, find one. the moment you start
: applying, plus 7 days, your department will know.
: if you are not even confident you will find another job, what makes you
: think you have more cards to play by moving now or a movement will benefit
: your research?
【 在 mitbbscop (cop) 的大作中提到: 】
: if you decide to look for another job, find one. the moment you start
: applying, plus 7 days, your department will know.
: if you are not even confident you will find another job, what makes you
: think you have more cards to play by moving now or a movement will benefit
: your research?
最后反倒把人得罪光了
【 在 BenNevis (Alex) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我知道系里早晚会知道。 至于能不能找到别的工作，这个我不确定。我申的学校要么
: 排名高，要么比现在位置好，竞争也更激烈。条件差不多的我也懒的申。
: 我想知道一般系里对这种“骑驴找马”的行为是什么态度？毕竟start-up还没花完就想
: 走感觉有点不地道。
【 在 hxw (我到这里干吗来了？回吧！) 的大作中提到: 】
: why 7 day? They will contact home department?
Again, if you prepare to leave, leave. You need to apply to safe schools too.
【 在 BenNevis (Alex) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我知道系里早晚会知道。 至于能不能找到别的工作，这个我不确定。我申的学校要么
: 排名高，要么比现在位置好，竞争也更激烈。条件差不多的我也懒的申。
: 我想知道一般系里对这种“骑驴找马”的行为是什么态度？毕竟start-up还没花完就想
: 走感觉有点不地道。
早点走
教授是独立学者 又不是雇来的教书匠
哪个名教授不是跳来跳去的
【 在 mitbbscop (cop) 的大作中提到: 】
: No department chair likes it. But some are okay with it.
: Again, if you prepare to leave, leave. You need to apply to safe schools
too.
employee. you are not an entrepreneur. frequent job hoppers are not
appreciated by ANY department or university. having a reputation of moving
frequently and going after money will only stop future offers from coming.
this is true universally, big name or not.
【 在 greemint (看门) 的大作中提到: 】
: 系里要是这种氛围
: 早点走
: 教授是独立学者 又不是雇来的教书匠
: 哪个名教授不是跳来跳去的
: too.
越往前的学校越接近于教授治校，行政领导是给学者服务的https://www.douban.com/group/topic/48227161/
faculty当然是entrepreneur，除非是teaching school
学校还指着你拿外部funding抽overhead呢
后面的学校的确
教授跟学校叫板的资本很小,处处看领导脸色
不过R1里面自己没有实验室，只教课的deadwood也是这样
系里放p都没人理
学校里面么，论文基金这些是根本，核心竞争力
【 在 mitbbscop (cop) 的大作中提到: 】
: you have a fundamental misunderstanding about the job market. you are an
: employee. you are not an entrepreneur. frequent job hoppers are not
: appreciated by ANY department or university. having a reputation of moving
: frequently and going after money will only stop future offers from coming.
: this is true universally, big name or not.
again, my comment is universal.
and you misunderstand an institute built on relationships and interpersonal connections, with an institute with a boss. no tt faculty needs a boss, but it is essential to have a system where decisions are made through rational
discussions and fair negotiations.
your ideal world appears to be transactional, where the highest bidder wins, and there is no difference whether you know the next door neighbor in the
department or not. that is the employment model of walmart or mcdonalds.
【 在 greemint (看门) 的大作中提到: 】
: 您在R几的学校？
: 越往前的学校越接近于教授治校，行政领导是给学者服务的
: https://www.douban.com/group/topic/48227161/
: faculty当然是entrepreneur，除非是teaching school
: 学校还指着你拿外部funding抽overhead呢
: 后面的学校的确
: 教授跟学校叫板的资本很小,处处看领导脸色
: 不过R1里面自己没有实验室，只教课的deadwood也是这样
: 系里放p都没人理
: 学校里面么，论文基金这些是根本，核心竞争力
这个对别人的参考意义差好远了
harvard跟west Kentucky学校规章制度，文化肯定是差很远
MCK的厨师当然要靠Manager脸色了
可是顶尖餐厅的老板是要陪笑脸哄好自己的招牌大厨的，生怕没伺候好跑别家去了
有手艺在哪没饭吃
美国的烂校，美国人phd都不爱去
从院长到下面faculty都是第三世界国家移民
教授也是一脸苦相，怀才不遇，没经费，烂发表
想回国没有过硬的成果也没人要啊，彻底废在美国农村了
(算是美国take了世界其他国家的人才advantage）
俺们那大牛，拿着CNS跑到Rx的创业系
结果人家不value paper，光想着怎么赚学费
成天看大牛烧钱没效益，dean恨得牙痒痒
待错了地方不就是
自己也难受，学校也难受
本质上科研这种游戏太高端了，国立研究院+top20的圈子也就差不多了
后面的都是自欺欺人
当然了美国发达，可以找大把外国人填这些没什么油水的坑
【 在 mitbbscop (cop) 的大作中提到: 】
: i happen to have firsthand witnessed the very best in the field all the
way
: through the middle of the road. and unfortunately, only research schools. : again, my comment is universal.
: and you misunderstand an institute built on relationships and
interpersonal
: connections, with an institute with a boss. no tt faculty needs a boss,
but
: it is essential to have a system where decisions are made through rational
: discussions and fair negotiations.
: your ideal world appears to be transactional, where the highest bidder
wins,
: and there is no difference whether you know the next door neighbor in the
: department or not. that is the employment model of walmart or mcdonalds.
: ...................
【 在 greemint (看门) 的大作中提到: 】
: 您遮遮掩掩又不说自己的background
: 这个对别人的参考意义差好远了
: harvard跟west Kentucky学校规章制度，文化肯定是差很远
: MCK的厨师当然要靠Manager脸色了
: 可是顶尖餐厅的老板是要陪笑脸哄好自己的招牌大厨的，生怕没伺候好跑别家去了
: 有手艺在哪没饭吃
: 美国的烂校，美国人phd都不爱去
: 从院长到下面faculty都是第三世界国家移民
: 教授也是一脸苦相，怀才不遇，没经费，烂发表
: 想回国没有过硬的成果也没人要啊，彻底废在美国农村了
: ...................
offer（有这样的例子），那应该也默许自己的TT AP跳槽。
【 在 mitbbscop (cop) 的大作中提到: 】
: i happen to have firsthand witnessed the very best in the field all the
way
: through the middle of the road. and unfortunately, only research schools. : again, my comment is universal.
: and you misunderstand an institute built on relationships and
interpersonal
: connections, with an institute with a boss. no tt faculty needs a boss,
but
: it is essential to have a system where decisions are made through rational
: discussions and fair negotiations.
: your ideal world appears to be transactional, where the highest bidder
wins,
: and there is no difference whether you know the next door neighbor in the
: department or not. that is the employment model of walmart or mcdonalds.
chair的确会比较生气
但是也depends双方形势
小学校可能得罪就得罪了
或者跳出去混成个人物，老chair还觉得长脸呢
（公家的钱时间长了也没人心疼）
我们学校的ap还出过跳到mit的
【 在 BenNevis (Alex) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你们说的都有道理，但我在想一个逻辑： 如果我们学校给其它学校跳来的TT AP发
: offer（有这样的例子），那应该也默许自己的TT AP跳槽。
: way
: interpersonal
: but
: wins,
哪个学校这么不靠谱， 泄露消息的？ 除非你是爱因斯坦好吧。
即便知道， 你矢口否认， 又奈你何？
些2年跳的人有过私下交流。
我的想法是试着往上跳，要么学校排名更高，要么地理位置更好，不然也不想折腾。
有没有offer没法guarantee。我还是做走和留的两手打算。
现在问题是如果return to market，是不是就没有回头路了？即使好学校申不到，也得有差的backup？
【 在 greemint (看门) 的大作中提到: 】
: 拿了人家的startup就跑
: chair的确会比较生气
: 但是也depends双方形势
: 小学校可能得罪就得罪了
: 或者跳出去混成个人物，老chair还觉得长脸呢
: （公家的钱时间长了也没人心疼）
: 我们学校的ap还出过跳到mit的
俺学校有college干了4年跳到大U的
结果认为college不科研不算数，从头开始tt
【 在 BenNevis (Alex) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我们领域2年走人的很多。 包括有一个职位的search chair也是2年跳的。我没有跟这
: 些2年跳的人有过私下交流。
: 我的想法是试着往上跳，要么学校排名更高，要么地理位置更好，不然也不想折腾。
: 有没有offer没法guarantee。我还是做走和留的两手打算。
: 现在问题是如果return to market，是不是就没有回头路了？即使好学校申不到，也得
: 有差的backup？