It's looking more and more like the virus was circulating well before it was first detected in Wuhan. China just happened to be the one to notice it first because they are a competent country
【 在 beijingren3 () 的大作中提到: 】 : 标 题: 捶实了：COVID19 possibly didn't originate in Wuhan : 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jul 21 20:05:07 2021, 美东) : : It's looking more and more like the virus was circulating well before it was : first detected in Wuhan. China just happened to be the one to notice it : first because they are a competent country : : 新冠病毒可能于 2019 年 10 月在意大利传播的“可信”证据 : : 'Plausible' evidence that Covid may have been circulating in Italy in : October 2019 : : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/plausible-evidence-covid-may-have-circulating-italy-october/ : --
【 在 beijingren3 () 的大作中提到: 】 : It's looking more and more like the virus was circulating well before it was : first detected in Wuhan. China just happened to be the one to notice it : first because they are a competent country : 新冠病毒可能于 2019 年 10 月在意大利传播的“可信”证据 : 'Plausible' evidence that Covid may have been circulating in Italy in : October 2019 : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/plausible-evidence-covid-may-have-circulating-italy-october/
【 在 beijingren3 () 的大作中提到: 】 : It's looking more and more like the virus was circulating well before it was : first detected in Wuhan. China just happened to be the one to notice it : first because they are a competent country : 新冠病毒可能于 2019 年 10 月在意大利传播的“可信”证据 : 'Plausible' evidence that Covid may have been circulating in Italy in : October 2019 : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/plausible-evidence-covid-may-have-circulating-italy-october/
【 在 beijingren3 () 的大作中提到: 】 : It's looking more and more like the virus was circulating well before it was : first detected in Wuhan. China just happened to be the one to notice it : first because they are a competent country : 新冠病毒可能于 2019 年 10 月在意大利传播的“可信”证据 : 'Plausible' evidence that Covid may have been circulating in Italy in : October 2019 : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/plausible-evidence-covid-may-have-circulating-italy-october/
【 在 beijingren3 () 的大作中提到: 】 : It's looking more and more like the virus was circulating well before it was : first detected in Wuhan. China just happened to be the one to notice it : first because they are a competent country : : 新冠病毒可能于 2019 年 10 月在意大利传播的“可信”证据 : : 'Plausible' evidence that Covid may have been circulating in Italy in : October 2019 : : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/plausible-evidence-covid-may-have-circulating-italy-october/
Hope the human can find the true origin this time and avoid the same disaster happened again.
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】 : The West will say that it is Evidence that the virus has spread from China : to other parts of the world earlier than they thought.
Control samples are any type of well-known forensic samples used to assure analyses are properly performed so that results are reliable. ... Control samples are acquired through any source that is considered completely reliable and whose identification has been verified through proper authorities.
【 在 beijingren3 () 的大作中提到: 】 : 看文章 : “At the request of the WHO samples were sent for re-testing to VisMederi : laboratory in Siena, Italy and Erasmus University in the Netherlands. : The laboratories re-tested 29 of the original samples - some positive and : some negative - and 29 control samples from 2018.”
荷兰的Erasmus对于确认infection的bar很高。需要三种抗体都达到某种阈值。而这些 样本显然没有达到Erasmus对于确认infection的标准，所以professor of virology at Erasmus只能说结果很有趣，不是不可能。
However, Erasmus has a high bar for proof of infection and found that none of the samples contained enough levels of each of the three types of antibodies that it needs to consider proof of infection.
Marion Koopmans, professor of virology at Erasmus, told the Financial Times the results were “interesting”. She said it was “not impossible” that the patients had been infected with Covid. “Just that you would like to see other pieces of evidence,” she said.
【 在 beijingren3 () 的大作中提到: 】 : It's looking more and more like the virus was circulating well before it was : first detected in Wuhan. China just happened to be the one to notice it : first because they are a competent country : 新冠病毒可能于 2019 年 10 月在意大利传播的“可信”证据 : 'Plausible' evidence that Covid may have been circulating in Italy in : October 2019 : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/plausible-evidence-covid-may-have-circulating-italy-october/
【 在 beijingren3 的大作中提到: 】 : :It's looking more and more like the virus was circulating well before it was first detected in Wuhan. China just happened to be the one to notice it :first because they are a competent country : :新冠病毒可能于 2019 年 10 月在意大利传播的“可信”证据 : :'Plausible' evidence that Covid may have been circulating in Italy in :October 2019 :http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/plausible-evidence-covid-may-have-circulating-italy-october/ :
荷兰的Erasmus对于确认infection的bar很高。需要三种抗体都达到某种阈值。而这些 样本显然没有达到Erasmus对于确认infection的标准，所以professor of virology atErasmus只能说结果很有趣，不是不可能。
However, Erasmus has a high bar for proof of infection and found that none of the samples contained enough levels of each of the three types of antibodies that it needs to consider proof of infection.
Marion Koopmans, professor of virology at Erasmus, told the Financial Times the results were “interesting”. She said it was “not impossible” that the patients had been infected with Covid. “Just that you would like to see other pieces of evidence,” she said.
【 在 ridgway (ridgway) 的大作中提到: 】 : 荷兰的Erasmus对于确认infection的bar很高。需要三种抗体都达到某种阈值。而这些 : 样本显然没有达到Erasmus对于确认infection的标准，所以professor of virology at : Erasmus只能说结果很有趣，不是不可能。 : However, Erasmus has a high bar for proof of infection and found that none: of the samples contained enough levels of each of the three types of : antibodies that it needs to consider proof of infection. : Marion Koopmans, professor of virology at Erasmus, told the Financial Times : the results were “interesting”. She said it was “not impossible” that : the patients had been infected with Covid. : “Just that you would like to see other pieces of evidence,” she said.
It's looking more and more like the virus was circulating well before it was first detected in Wuhan. China just happened to be the one to notice it
first because they are a competent country
新冠病毒可能于 2019 年 10 月在意大利传播的“可信”证据
'Plausible' evidence that Covid may have been circulating in Italy in
October 2019
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/plausible-evidence-covid-may-have-circulating-italy-october/
THE VIRUS HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE 2002 YOU ABSOLUTE DUMB NIGGERS
IT IS SARS... FUCKING SARS.... AND IT WAS PATENTED SINCE 2002 OVER 73 TIMES AND IT IS THE SAME STRAIN FROM THE OUTBREAKS IN THE EARLY 2000s
WUHAN DIDNT HAVE TO LEAK SHIT, WE JUST USED A VIRUS THATS BEEN AROUND
>https://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7279327.PN.&OS=PN/7279327&RS=PN/7279327
没有测序，实锤个屁
又开始贼喊捉贼了
欧洲的疮瘟来自鸦片国
亚洲的疮瘟来自五毒所
马里兰P4和五毒所独立泄露实锤了
盹盹盹
【 在 beijingren3 () 的大作中提到: 】
: 标 题: 捶实了：COVID19 possibly didn't originate in Wuhan
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jul 21 20:05:07 2021, 美东)
:
: It's looking more and more like the virus was circulating well before it
was
: first detected in Wuhan. China just happened to be the one to notice it
: first because they are a competent country
:
: 新冠病毒可能于 2019 年 10 月在意大利传播的“可信”证据
:
: 'Plausible' evidence that Covid may have been circulating in Italy in
: October 2019
:
: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/plausible-evidence-covid-may-have-circulating-italy-october/
: --
At the request of the WHO samples were sent for re-testing to VisMederi
laboratory in Siena, Italy and Erasmus University in the Netherlands.
The laboratories re-tested 29 of the original samples - some positive and
some negative - and 29 control samples from 2018.
Did the Military World Games Spread COVID-19?
The October 2019 event, held in Wuhan, China, appears to have been a vector for spreading disease in the U.S. and around the world.
https://prospect.org/coronavirus/did-the-military-world-games-spread-covid-
19/
【 在 vigo (vigo) 的大作中提到: 】
: 没有测序，实锤个屁
大利病毒来自霉帝
大利2018就有了，也太早了点吧？
LOL
【 在 dragonfly (五星旗插遍太阳系) 的大作中提到: 】
: 大利病毒来自霉帝
米蒂实验室2016年就合成了新冠了。。。
【 在 beijingren3 () 的大作中提到: 】
: 大利2018就有了，也太早了点吧？
: LOL
大外宣天天这样自娱自乐有意思吗？
就冲你们不敢去reddit发阴文帖谈某堡，就知道你们外宣很怂逼
【 在 beijingren3 () 的大作中提到: 】
: It's looking more and more like the virus was circulating well before it
was
: first detected in Wuhan. China just happened to be the one to notice it
: first because they are a competent country
: 新冠病毒可能于 2019 年 10 月在意大利传播的“可信”证据
: 'Plausible' evidence that Covid may have been circulating in Italy in
: October 2019
: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/plausible-evidence-covid-may-have-circulating-italy-october/
你没有测序，所以你不是你爸的儿子！
【 在 vigo (vigo) 的大作中提到: 】
: 没有测序，实锤个屁
西梅演戏而已，一会说是一会说不是。给人很公正的样子，最终肯定还是武汉。
【 在 beijingren3 () 的大作中提到: 】
: It's looking more and more like the virus was circulating well before it
was
: first detected in Wuhan. China just happened to be the one to notice it
: first because they are a competent country
: 新冠病毒可能于 2019 年 10 月在意大利传播的“可信”证据
: 'Plausible' evidence that Covid may have been circulating in Italy in
: October 2019
: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/plausible-evidence-covid-may-have-circulating-italy-october/
【 在 BBCCNN (步步错纯牛奶) 的大作中提到: 】
: 米蒂实验室2016年就合成了新冠了。。。
The West will say that it is Evidence that the virus has spread from China
to other parts of the world earlier than they thought.
谁说大力2018就有了？
【在 beijingren3()的大作中提到：】
：大利2018就有了，也太早了点吧？
：
看文章
“At the request of the WHO samples were sent for re-testing to VisMederi
laboratory in Siena, Italy and Erasmus University in the Netherlands.
The laboratories re-tested 29 of the original samples - some positive and
some negative - and 29 control samples from 2018.”
【 在 ridgwaymj (ridgwaymj) 的大作中提到: 】
: 谁说大力2018就有了？
: ：大利2018就有了，也太早了点吧？
: ：
米蒂制造新冠没跑了。
现在就看石正丽能不能在东南亚的蝙蝠身上找到新冠，把米蒂的嫌疑洗清。
2017年正是石正丽帮米蒂洗清了SARS嫌疑。
实际上在2019年已经大规模在欧美各国传播，基本上当成B型猪流感处理。实际上根本
没有B型猪流感，因为Tamiflu根本不管用，B型猪流感就是新冠。
如果没有兔子揭锅，欧美现在还歌舞升平呢。
【 在 beijingren3 () 的大作中提到: 】
: It's looking more and more like the virus was circulating well before it
was
: first detected in Wuhan. China just happened to be the one to notice it
: first because they are a competent country
: 新冠病毒可能于 2019 年 10 月在意大利传播的“可信”证据
: 'Plausible' evidence that Covid may have been circulating in Italy in
: October 2019
: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/plausible-evidence-covid-may-have-circulating-italy-october/
美帝已经闭上眼睛堵起耳朵
【 在 beijingren3 () 的大作中提到: 】
: It's looking more and more like the virus was circulating well before it
was
: first detected in Wuhan. China just happened to be the one to notice it
: first because they are a competent country
:
: 新冠病毒可能于 2019 年 10 月在意大利传播的“可信”证据
:
: 'Plausible' evidence that Covid may have been circulating in Italy in
: October 2019
:
: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/plausible-evidence-covid-may-have-circulating-italy-october/
That is actually what they are doing right now.
Hope the human can find the true origin this time and avoid the same
disaster happened again.
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】
: The West will say that it is Evidence that the virus has spread from China
: to other parts of the world earlier than they thought.
我们需要诺贝尔医学奖
【在 Markenzhang(灵琳)的大作中提到：】
：实际上在2019年已经大规模在欧美各国传播，基本上当成B型猪流感处理。实际上根本
：没有B型猪流感，因为Tamiflu根本不管用，B型猪流感就是新冠。
冠状病毒是一大家族，至少有7种会感染人，还有许多种冠状病毒会感染动物
人体血样中的抗体检测并不能确定由哪种冠状病毒引起的，只有在新冠大流行的条件下才把抗体解释成新冠感染。
贼喊捉贼
The laboratories re-tested 29 of the original samples - some positive and
some negative - and 29 control samples from 2018.”
就是这段话，说明你根本就读不懂原文。所谓2018年的control sample都是阴性的，用来和可能的阳性做对比。并不是说2018年的样本里也有阳性。
Control samples are any type of well-known forensic samples used to assure
analyses are properly performed so that results are reliable. ... Control
samples are acquired through any source that is considered completely
reliable and whose identification has been verified through proper
authorities.
【 在 beijingren3 () 的大作中提到: 】
: 看文章
: “At the request of the WHO samples were sent for re-testing to VisMederi
: laboratory in Siena, Italy and Erasmus University in the Netherlands.
: The laboratories re-tested 29 of the original samples - some positive and
: some negative - and 29 control samples from 2018.”
我帝只要不把某宝的事情说清楚
只要继续拒绝公开透明调查某宝
就说明心中有鬼
无论怎样发动舆论战
只能说明我帝是贼喊捉贼
啼啼啼
【 在 netwt (netwt) 的大作中提到: 】
: 贼喊捉贼
荷兰的Erasmus对于确认infection的bar很高。需要三种抗体都达到某种阈值。而这些
样本显然没有达到Erasmus对于确认infection的标准，所以professor of virology at Erasmus只能说结果很有趣，不是不可能。
However, Erasmus has a high bar for proof of infection and found that none
of the samples contained enough levels of each of the three types of
antibodies that it needs to consider proof of infection.
Marion Koopmans, professor of virology at Erasmus, told the Financial Times the results were “interesting”. She said it was “not impossible” that
the patients had been infected with Covid.
“Just that you would like to see other pieces of evidence,” she said.
【 在 beijingren3 () 的大作中提到: 】
: It's looking more and more like the virus was circulating well before it
was
: first detected in Wuhan. China just happened to be the one to notice it
: first because they are a competent country
: 新冠病毒可能于 2019 年 10 月在意大利传播的“可信”证据
: 'Plausible' evidence that Covid may have been circulating in Italy in
: October 2019
: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/plausible-evidence-covid-may-have-circulating-italy-october/
惊人英语太烂了
憋精人，小报别再看了
这是主媒体
【 在 YouHi1 (YouHi1) 的大作中提到: 】
: 憋精人，小报别再看了
测一测2018年世界范围内的血样结果一定非常有趣。
【 在 beijingren3 的大作中提到: 】
:
:It's looking more and more like the virus was circulating well before
it was first detected in Wuhan. China just happened to be the one to notice it
:first because they are a competent country
:
:新冠病毒可能于 2019 年 10 月在意大利传播的“可信”证据
:
:'Plausible' evidence that Covid may have been circulating in Italy in
:October 2019
:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/plausible-evidence-covid-may-have-circulating-italy-october/
:
荷兰的Erasmus对于确认infection的bar很高。需要三种抗体都达到某种阈值。而这些
样本显然没有达到Erasmus对于确认infection的标准，所以professor of virology atErasmus只能说结果很有趣，不是不可能。
However, Erasmus has a high bar for proof of infection and found that none
of the samples contained enough levels of each of the three types of
antibodies that it needs to consider proof of infection.
Marion Koopmans, professor of virology at Erasmus, told the Financial Times
the results were “interesting”. She said it was “not impossible” that
the patients had been infected with Covid.
“Just that you would like to see other pieces of evidence,” she said.
鳖惊不是装傻是真傻，这帖子的标题只有弱智写的出来。
各位看看原文再骂不迟.挺好的研究文章,多有意思的结果,好好讨论多好.
看动机,
找到以前的血样,尽力去检测是否有新冠抗体来推测病毒起源,想法很好啊.
看方法,
为求公正,找了第三方机构重验.检测指标有三: IgG,IgM,中和.每个指标还用了两种方
法.
有阴性对照, 阳性对照用了多个,还分为有症状和无症状的样本.
还用了同样数量(29)的类似检测样本,只是把时间再退前一年,作为对照.这实验设计很
不错了.
看结果,
在19年的血样中出现了不少阳性结果, 类似的18年就完全没有. 很有意思的结果了.统
计也做了,不是巧合了.
尤其看到阳性对照组, 有症状组的各个指标阳性,无症状正对照组也是只有某些指标阳
性,其他阴性,这和低病毒浓度-低抗体-低症状相吻合. 也指向了19年的病人可能是无症状/低病毒/低抗体.从而很可能是早期病毒低姿态传播.
这研究为寻找起源提供了帮助.
正对照组,无症状的样本也没有三项阳性,这应该和病毒在体内的浓度相关.
考虑到早期传播的隐蔽性的需要,这可能正是那一时期的总体特性. 所以, 用爆发后的
有症状病人的血样作为阳性对照是好的,但也不能以这样的"高标准"作为判断未知的早
期传播的硬性指标. 更灵敏的检测才是正路吧.
【 在 ridgway (ridgway) 的大作中提到: 】
: 荷兰的Erasmus对于确认infection的bar很高。需要三种抗体都达到某种阈值。而这些
: 样本显然没有达到Erasmus对于确认infection的标准，所以professor of virology at
: Erasmus只能说结果很有趣，不是不可能。
: However, Erasmus has a high bar for proof of infection and found that none: of the samples contained enough levels of each of the three types of
: antibodies that it needs to consider proof of infection.
: Marion Koopmans, professor of virology at Erasmus, told the Financial
Times
: the results were “interesting”. She said it was “not impossible” that
: the patients had been infected with Covid.
: “Just that you would like to see other pieces of evidence,” she said.
毫无疑问，无毒所泄露
应该是武毒所米兰分所泄露的，实锤了。
【 在 Evilcpc () 的大作中提到: 】
: 毫无疑问，无毒所泄露