The struggle between China and US now is much bigger than a trade war, or even trade policies, economic structure. It is about whether US will allow China to rise to world power in its current political structure. Pompeo's attack on China is rarely on trade, but the fundamental "evil power" of China.
If this were just trade dispute, China would give in, because trade protection is much lower priority, and frankly, the leadership in China know that they didn't follow through on many commitments.
Back in the days when China tried to get in WTO, Premier Zhu came to US to pamper the US public with a very generous offer. That was when China was much weaker economically than today. It says that China is willing to give in in trade policies for larger strategic reasons, and China has the means to do that today.
The problem with the Trump administration is that Chinese leaders are convinced that EVEN IF they give in, Trump will just come back asking for more, until China is rendered powerless economically, technologically, militarily and politically. When you negotiate, you don't "give" if that give only invites more "asks" and you won't get anything back. If you track the recent trade war history, you will see Trump keeps asking China to buy more farm products. China came back & forth with that commitment, but in the process lost a lot more in other areas. So Trump didn't lose much but China lost a lot. So there is no point for China to give more if this "give and take" is only one-sided. Trump wants China to just surrender (actually he expects all his opponents to do so), but if you have been educated in China, you will know how proud and vulnerable China from past humiliations since the Opium War. So expect China to surrender is philosophically and personally unacceptable this generation of Chinese leaders. It rocks the very foundation of why they believe the Communist cause and the revolutionary cause started in China 150+ years ago. Trump doesn't understand that, or rather, I think he does understand but doesn't care. He is cares about winning for himself. He would not hesitate to destroy anyone who disagrees with him, down to their flesh and bones.
The struggle between China and US now is much bigger than a trade war, or even trade policies, economic structure. It is about whether US will allow China to rise to world power in its current political structure. Pompeo's attack on China is rarely on trade, but the fundamental "evil power" of China.
If this were just trade dispute, China would give in, because trade protection is much lower priority, and frankly, the leadership in China know that they didn't follow through on many commitments.
Back in the days when China tried to get in WTO, Premier Zhu came to US to pamper the US public with a very generous offer. That was when China was much weaker economically than today. It says that China is willing to give in in trade policies for larger strategic reasons, and China has the means to do that today.
The problem with the Trump administration is that Chinese leaders are convinced that EVEN IF they give in, Trump will just come back asking for more, until China is rendered powerless economically, technologically, militarily and politically. When you negotiate, you don't "give" if that give only invites more "asks" and you won't get anything back. If you track the recent trade war history, you will see Trump keeps asking China to buy more farm products. China came back & forth with that commitment, but in the process lost a lot more in other areas. So Trump didn't lose much but China lost a lot. So there is no point for China to give more if this "give and take" is only one-sided. Trump wants China to just surrender (actually he expects all his opponents to do so), but if you have been educated in China, you will know how proud and vulnerable China from past humiliations since the Opium War. So expect China to surrender is philosophically and personally unacceptable this generation of Chinese leaders. It rocks the very foundation of why they believe the Communist cause and the revolutionary cause started in China 150+ years ago. Trump doesn't understand that, or rather, I think he does understand but doesn't care. He is cares about winning for himself. He would not hesitate to destroy anyone who disagrees with him, down to their flesh and bones.
【 在 naalii (naalii) 的大作中提到: 】 : The struggle between China and US now is much bigger than a trade war, or : even trade policies, economic structure. It is about whether US will allow : China to rise to world power in its current political structure. Pompeo's : attack on China is rarely on trade, but the fundamental
近日,人民日报在其官方公众微信号上,发布了外交部发言人对“拜登胜选”的评论。令人意味深长的是,人民日报把这样的重磅信息,放在了微信公众号的第二条。
自从拜登胜选以来,西方媒体就开始捕捉北京对美国大选的态度。
但是让美国失望的是,除了民间对美国大选的关注,北京官方对这个问题显然没有提起什么兴趣。
北京更关注自己的十四五规划、十九届五中全会的落实、精准扶贫、经济双循环、对外开放等等。
北京其实是在以实际行动告诉全世界:
美国大选重要不重要?重要。但是,中国基本上没工夫关心这些事儿,中国有更重要的事情做。
这一点,与台湾地区、日本以及欧洲列强形成了鲜明的对比。
过去四年,特朗普的所作所为,已经打破了北京精英阶层对美国的最后的幻想。
特朗普及其队友蓬佩奥、班农等,在疫情之前,将矛头直接对准中国的发展利益,甚至要消灭中国的华为以及一些对中国具有战略支撑的国有企业。
这种经济上的绞杀让中国社会逐渐认识到美国曾经宣传的一些价值理念具有相当的虚伪性,中国人民开始逐步舍弃自改革开放以来对美国的一些不切实际的幻想。
但是,即便在那个时候,北京可能都没有做好和美国坚决斗争的准备。毕竟,无论是民间还是精英阶层,中国社会对美国的好感,中国在高科技领域对美国等列强的依赖,会引发内部的激烈讨论与不同意见。
但是,疫情爆发以来,美国政府将斗争矛头直接对北京的政治体制、国家制度,试图从根本上消灭北京,并号召国际社会对北京进行强力政治打压,以从根本上解散北京。
这样的言行,触碰了北京的底线。也让中国社会在民间与精英阶层,在中国核心利益问题的守护问题上,达到了空前团结。
以北京高调纪念抗美援朝70周年为根本标志,中国对与美国进行斗争的认知达到了一个崭新的高度:空前统一、空前坚定。
改革开放以来,北京在发展过程中,小心翼翼的维护着对美关系。无论美国在人权等问题上对北京作何等严厉的批评,北京都是不断隐忍。为了自己的长远利益,不去和美国作过多争论,一心一意搞建设,聚精会神谋发展。
但是,特朗普当选总统后的言行,逐渐将北京逼到了墙角。北京要么选择斗争,要么选择死亡。
于是,北京在美国的逼迫下,不得不与美国开展经济层面的对抗,直至在政治层面的直接对抗。
应该说,在这个对抗过程中,北京的心态,从焦虑、无奈到紧张,最后变得气定神闲。
最开始有部分人担心,中国和美国对抗,中国必死无疑。
这种声音不在少数,尤其是在知识界,这种声音曾经一度对北京产生过不好的影响,也严重地影响了斗争的士气。
后来,特别是疫情后,美国对中国的直接点名对抗,让中国社会许多人倒吸一口冷气。不过,北京在这个时刻表现出了极为娴熟的斗争姿态。
从最开始的一言不发,到最后将矛头对准班农、蓬佩奥,进行隔空对批。同时又没有直接批评特朗普,保留了对总统的批评,始终保持对美国斗而不破的姿态。
随着事态的发展,随着美国疫情的一步步失控,美国对北京的政治指责常态化以后,北京发现,美国的这些姿态,不过就是纸老虎而已。
他们嘴上说说可以,对中国搞经济斗争也可以,但是在政治上和中国直接发生战争或者其他形式的极端对抗,美国也不会轻易作出这样的决定。
正是在这个焦虑--斗争--再焦虑--再斗争的过程中,北京逐渐从青涩走向成熟。
特朗普当政以来的中美对决,以及因疫情引发一系列问题,是改革开放以来,北京遭受的最为严重的全面考验,但是显然,北京又一次赢了!
所以,当抗美援朝70周年到来时,北京一反过去几十年对美国的柔和姿态,高调纪念抗美援朝斗争,抚今追昔,让人无比感慨。
如果说以毛泽东为核心的第一代领导人与美国的正面对抗,是缔造中华人民共和国的立国之战。
那么今天,当代核心带领中国社会与美国的正面对抗,彻底扫除了中国社会对美国的迷信,彻底树立了中国的四个自信,是中国社会转向全面强盛的二次立国之战。
其意义,与抗美援朝斗争一样,将永载史册。
也正是基于此,北京对美国谁当选,似乎已经不是很感兴趣。
如果特朗普继续当选,那么北京将与美国继续斗争。中国做好了经济双循环并且以内循环为主的准备。
如果拜登当选,那这个北京当然乐见其成。但是,即便拜登对中国没有特朗普和班农那么咄咄逼人,中国和美国的爱情也永远不会再回来。
当然,该合作的合作,该斗争的斗争。如果新当选的总统要搞合作,那么北京随时与美国合作,这样做大家都高兴。
如果新当选的总统要搞斗争,那么就搞斗争。大不了是下一个特朗普,大不了再来一次抗美援朝。
大选前夜的北京,在故宫旁边的那座神秘院落——中南海里,应该是灯火通明的。
但是这种灯火通明,与以往相比,显然并不是因为北京在担心谁当选。而是北京永远有更重要的事情要做。
北京要关心精准扶贫、内循环、改革开放,甚至是要关心某一户农民今年的收成,而这些事情无论哪一件,在今天这个特殊时刻,其重要性,都远胜于美国究竟谁当选。
北京在写文章时,很喜欢引用诗歌。
我想,面对美国的大选结果,面对全世界对美国大选的纷纷扰扰,北京的心里或许也有一首诗要引用:
两岸猿声啼不住,轻舟已过万重山。
最主要的原因是中南海也找大师算了卦,结论是Biden很有可能当不了总统。你以为呢?
【 在 boter (阿哈呦) 的大作中提到: 】
: 近日,人民日报在其官方公众微信号上,发布了外交部发言人对“拜登胜选”的评论。
: 令人意味深长的是,人民日报把这样的重磅信息,放在了微信公众号的第二条。
: 自从拜登胜选以来,西方媒体就开始捕捉北京对美国大选的态度。
: 但是让美国失望的是,除了民间对美国大选的关注,北京官方对这个问题显然没有提起
: 什么兴趣。
: 北京更关注自己的十四五规划、十九届五中全会的落实、精准扶贫、经济双循环、对外
: 开放等等。
: 北京其实是在以实际行动告诉全世界:
: 美国大选重要不重要?重要。但是,中国基本上没工夫关心这些事儿,中国有更重要的
: 事情做。
: ...................
任何成熟的政治家都能做出同样的判断
我无意介入争论。随笔
贸易战,我理解是川普是按中国入世承诺,有文卡的。比如开放金融市场,知识产权也是重要一部分。我不是贸易专家,这是我的理解。
关键是2019年贸易战正烈,中国对美出口还增加了3000亿(数据待考证)。我在中国做过外贸,最少美国企业没有中国出口企业这个补那个补,那给退。“保护幼稚工业”一直到现在。然后搞个很高玄的奥运,载人航天。
我认为这种贸易不是良性的竞争,而且美国有特定的反拖拉斯反垄断,绝对不允许政府培养华为这样的企业,比如BELL,还有一些石油公司,美国对自己的企业也不手软。
贸易战也不是中国政府高明在那里,肯定的是出口省份不想让利,无法协调。北京只好打太极坐看贸易战升级。
那么在美留学侨居人成为贸易战的直接牺牲品。贸易战适当让利,在美留学乔居人员境遇会有一定改善。
阐述生产关系,在上层建筑方面,北京对土鳖博士知识分子和留洋人员的争斗没有正确的疏导。就是知识分子的秩序,传统的欧式学术评审类似教会,大牛主导的委员会。美国现在搞成了群众运动式的随便人一票。中国则是武侠小说里的门派制。瞎说了,我也不在学术界。没有好的生产关系,就会影响生产力。
另外我怀疑国内的三角债是不是又重新回头(刨除新冠因素)。GDP 公式,国内生产总值+出口,还要减去浪费。我们东北80年代末对国企投资的浪费非常敏感。三角债是浪
费很好的标尺。权力部门介入生产经营也造成浪费。浪费就是投入没有回报,哪怕是远期回报,严重影响流动性。
对于新冠,北京选择回避话题的态度,坚决不说软话。大家都很忙。
生活短期内可能明年一年无法回复到2019年初的样子。大家都很闹心烦躁。没有太好的选择。
希望提供另外一个角度。
【 在 boter (阿哈呦) 的大作中提到: 】
: 近日,人民日报在其官方公众微信号上,发布了外交部发言人对“拜登胜选”的评论。
: 令人意味深长的是,人民日报把这样的重磅信息,放在了微信公众号的第二条。
: 自从拜登胜选以来,西方媒体就开始捕捉北京对美国大选的态度。
: 但是让美国失望的是,除了民间对美国大选的关注,北京官方对这个问题显然没有提起
: 什么兴趣。
: 北京更关注自己的十四五规划、十九届五中全会的落实、精准扶贫、经济双循环、对外
: 开放等等。
: 北京其实是在以实际行动告诉全世界:
: 美国大选重要不重要?重要。但是,中国基本上没工夫关心这些事儿,中国有更重要的
: 事情做。
: ...................
因為敗燈偽總統根本就沒有當選
【 在 heteroclinic(asymptotically stable) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我无意介入争论。随笔
: 贸易战,我理解是川普是按中国入世承诺,有文卡的。比如开放金融市场,知识产权也
: 是重要一部分。我不是贸易专家,这是我的理解。
: 关键是2019年贸易战正烈,中国对美出口还增加了3000亿(数据待考证)。我在中国做
: 过外贸,最少美国企业没有中国出口企业这个补那个补,那给退。“保护幼稚工业”一
: 直到现在。然后搞个很高玄的奥运,载人航天。
: 我认为这种贸易不是良性的竞争,而且美国有特定的反拖拉斯反垄断,绝对不允许政府
: 培养华为这样的企业,比如BELL,还有一些石油公司,美国对自己的企业也不手软。
: 贸易战也不是中国政府高明在那里,肯定的是出口省份不想让利,无法协调。北京只好
: 打太极坐看贸易战升级。
: ...................
The struggle between China and US now is much bigger than a trade war, or
even trade policies, economic structure. It is about whether US will allow
China to rise to world power in its current political structure. Pompeo's
attack on China is rarely on trade, but the fundamental "evil power" of
China.
If this were just trade dispute, China would give in, because trade
protection is much lower priority, and frankly, the leadership in China know that they didn't follow through on many commitments.
Back in the days when China tried to get in WTO, Premier Zhu came to US to
pamper the US public with a very generous offer. That was when China was
much weaker economically than today. It says that China is willing to give
in in trade policies for larger strategic reasons, and China has the means
to do that today.
The problem with the Trump administration is that Chinese leaders are
convinced that EVEN IF they give in, Trump will just come back asking for
more, until China is rendered powerless economically, technologically,
militarily and politically. When you negotiate, you don't "give" if that
give only invites more "asks" and you won't get anything back. If you track the recent trade war history, you will see Trump keeps asking China to buy
more farm products. China came back & forth with that commitment, but in the process lost a lot more in other areas. So Trump didn't lose much but China lost a lot. So there is no point for China to give more if this "give and
take" is only one-sided. Trump wants China to just surrender (actually he
expects all his opponents to do so), but if you have been educated in China, you will know how proud and vulnerable China from past humiliations since
the Opium War. So expect China to surrender is philosophically and
personally unacceptable this generation of Chinese leaders. It rocks the
very foundation of why they believe the Communist cause and the
revolutionary cause started in China 150+ years ago. Trump doesn't
understand that, or rather, I think he does understand but doesn't care. He is cares about winning for himself. He would not hesitate to destroy anyone who disagrees with him, down to their flesh and bones.
【 在 heteroclinic (asymptotically stable) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我无意介入争论。随笔
: 贸易战,我理解是川普是按中国入世承诺,有文卡的。比如开放金融市场,知识产权也
: 是重要一部分。我不是贸易专家,这是我的理解。
: 关键是2019年贸易战正烈,中国对美出口还增加了3000亿(数据待考证)。我在中国做
: 过外贸,最少美国企业没有中国出口企业这个补那个补,那给退。“保护幼稚工业”一
: 直到现在。然后搞个很高玄的奥运,载人航天。
: 我认为这种贸易不是良性的竞争,而且美国有特定的反拖拉斯反垄断,绝对不允许政府
: 培养华为这样的企业,比如BELL,还有一些石油公司,美国对自己的企业也不手软。: 贸易战也不是中国政府高明在那里,肯定的是出口省份不想让利,无法协调。北京只好
: 打太极坐看贸易战升级。
: ...................
The struggle between China and US now is much bigger than a trade war, or
even trade policies, economic structure. It is about whether US will allow
China to rise to world power in its current political structure. Pompeo's
attack on China is rarely on trade, but the fundamental "evil power" of
China.
If this were just trade dispute, China would give in, because trade
protection is much lower priority, and frankly, the leadership in China know that they didn't follow through on many commitments.
Back in the days when China tried to get in WTO, Premier Zhu came to US to
pamper the US public with a very generous offer. That was when China was
much weaker economically than today. It says that China is willing to give
in in trade policies for larger strategic reasons, and China has the means
to do that today.
The problem with the Trump administration is that Chinese leaders are
convinced that EVEN IF they give in, Trump will just come back asking for
more, until China is rendered powerless economically, technologically,
militarily and politically. When you negotiate, you don't "give" if that
give only invites more "asks" and you won't get anything back. If you track the recent trade war history, you will see Trump keeps asking China to buy
more farm products. China came back & forth with that commitment, but in the process lost a lot more in other areas. So Trump didn't lose much but China lost a lot. So there is no point for China to give more if this "give and
take" is only one-sided. Trump wants China to just surrender (actually he
expects all his opponents to do so), but if you have been educated in China, you will know how proud and vulnerable China from past humiliations since
the Opium War. So expect China to surrender is philosophically and
personally unacceptable this generation of Chinese leaders. It rocks the
very foundation of why they believe the Communist cause and the
revolutionary cause started in China 150+ years ago. Trump doesn't
understand that, or rather, I think he does understand but doesn't care. He is cares about winning for himself. He would not hesitate to destroy anyone who disagrees with him, down to their flesh and bones.
【 在 heteroclinic (asymptotically stable) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我无意介入争论。随笔
: 贸易战,我理解是川普是按中国入世承诺,有文卡的。比如开放金融市场,知识产权也
: 是重要一部分。我不是贸易专家,这是我的理解。
: 关键是2019年贸易战正烈,中国对美出口还增加了3000亿(数据待考证)。我在中国做
: 过外贸,最少美国企业没有中国出口企业这个补那个补,那给退。“保护幼稚工业”一
: 直到现在。然后搞个很高玄的奥运,载人航天。
: 我认为这种贸易不是良性的竞争,而且美国有特定的反拖拉斯反垄断,绝对不允许政府
: 培养华为这样的企业,比如BELL,还有一些石油公司,美国对自己的企业也不手软。: 贸易战也不是中国政府高明在那里,肯定的是出口省份不想让利,无法协调。北京只好
: 打太极坐看贸易战升级。
: ...................
写了一大堆,可惜就跟新闻联播一样,不能信。😄
没有啥US,米有和麻油是一伙的,干死胡蜂,统治世界!
【 在 naalii (naalii) 的大作中提到: 】
: The struggle between China and US now is much bigger than a trade war, or : even trade policies, economic structure. It is about whether US will allow
: China to rise to world power in its current political structure. Pompeo's : attack on China is rarely on trade, but the fundamental
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出口补贴,知识产权,金融市场开放等等争端都可以诉诸WTO要求裁决的
中国以前也输了不少WHO的官司,但这是多边解决方式,有根有据,不是自说自话,比
如欧盟最近打算对美国商品加收关税就是根据WTO初步裁决采取的措施。
至于华为,首先并无垄断,不仅国际上,即使中国国内都无垄断,在美国更和垄断不沾边。
其次,如果能扣垄断的锅,美国早就扣了,没扣,就是美国也知道不沾边
【 在 heteroclinic (asymptotically stable) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我无意介入争论。随笔
: 贸易战,我理解是川普是按中国入世承诺,有文卡的。比如开放金融市场,知识产权也
: 是重要一部分。我不是贸易专家,这是我的理解。
: 关键是2019年贸易战正烈,中国对美出口还增加了3000亿(数据待考证)。我在中国做
: 过外贸,最少美国企业没有中国出口企业这个补那个补,那给退。“保护幼稚工业”一
: 直到现在。然后搞个很高玄的奥运,载人航天。
: 我认为这种贸易不是良性的竞争,而且美国有特定的反拖拉斯反垄断,绝对不允许政府
: 培养华为这样的企业,比如BELL,还有一些石油公司,美国对自己的企业也不手软。: 贸易战也不是中国政府高明在那里,肯定的是出口省份不想让利,无法协调。北京只好
: 打太极坐看贸易战升级。
: ...................
我弟现在就一破落户,总统选不出来不行让近平掣签
器人有所不知,这不叫冷静而是反射弧比较长
【 在 boter (阿哈呦) 的大作中提到: 】
: 近日,人民日报在其官方公众微信号上,发布了外交部发言人对“拜登胜选”的评论。
: 令人意味深长的是,人民日报把这样的重磅信息,放在了微信公众号的第二条。
: 自从拜登胜选以来,西方媒体就开始捕捉北京对美国大选的态度。
: 但是让美国失望的是,除了民间对美国大选的关注,北京官方对这个问题显然没有提起
: 什么兴趣。
: 北京更关注自己的十四五规划、十九届五中全会的落实、精准扶贫、经济双循环、对外
: 开放等等。
: 北京其实是在以实际行动告诉全世界:
: 美国大选重要不重要?重要。但是,中国基本上没工夫关心这些事儿,中国有更重要的
: 事情做。
: ...................
拜登当选了个鸡巴
【 在 boter (阿哈呦) 的大作中提到: 】
: 近日,人民日报在其官方公众微信号上,发布了外交部发言人对“拜登胜选”的评论。
: 令人意味深长的是,人民日报把这样的重磅信息,放在了微信公众号的第二条。
: 自从拜登胜选以来,西方媒体就开始捕捉北京对美国大选的态度。
: 但是让美国失望的是,除了民间对美国大选的关注,北京官方对这个问题显然没有提起
: 什么兴趣。
: 北京更关注自己的十四五规划、十九届五中全会的落实、精准扶贫、经济双循环、对外
: 开放等等。
: 北京其实是在以实际行动告诉全世界:
: 美国大选重要不重要?重要。但是,中国基本上没工夫关心这些事儿,中国有更重要的
: 事情做。
: ...................
垄断调查的trigger是市场75%,就是不允许一家通吃,给个小的留活路
美国开放商业银行给CIBC,国内好像没有一个
我不是搞商务部的,就是华为来美国做生意,自身的compliance有什么准备,比较好奇反正发签证不是GATT仲裁的,这就叫leverage,当然大家都有明的暗的。
看屁股坐在那里
【 在 wljyx (nescaf) 的大作中提到: 】
: 出口补贴,知识产权,金融市场开放等等争端都可以诉诸WTO要求裁决的
: 中国以前也输了不少WHO的官司,但这是多边解决方式,有根有据,不是自说自话,比
: 如欧盟最近打算对美国商品加收关税就是根据WTO初步裁决采取的措施。
: 至于华为,首先并无垄断,不仅国际上,即使中国国内都无垄断,在美国更和垄断不沾
: 边。
: 其次,如果能扣垄断的锅,美国早就扣了,没扣,就是美国也知道不沾边