Don't blame wind turbines for Texas' historic power outages
BY SOPHIE LEWIS
FEBRUARY 17, 2021 / 7:18 PM / CBS NEWS
Officials say the situation in Texas is dire, as some 3 million homes and businesses remain without power following a deadly, record-breaking storm. As some of the coldest temperatures in decades hit the Lone Star State, many have pointed blame at an unusual source: wind turbines.
While the state's power grid can handle its blazingly hot summers, it is not nearly as prepared for severe winter weather — extremes that are only expected to worsen as the climate crisis escalates. Frozen wind turbines across the state led some conservative politicians to declare that renewable energy is responsible for the catastrophic power failures and rolling blackouts.
"This is what happens when you force the grid to rely in part on wind as a power source," Republican Congressman Dan Crenshaw tweeted Tuesday. "When weather conditions get bad as they did this week, intermittent renewable energy like wind isn't there when you need it."
"We should never build another wind turbine in Texas," Texas Agriculture Commissioner Sid Miller wrote on Facebook. "The experiment failed big time."
Texas Governor Greg Abbott echoed the sentiment and took the opportunity to criticize the Green New Deal.
"This shows how the Green New Deal would be a deadly deal for the United States of America," Abbott said to Fox News' Sean Hannity on Tuesday. "Our wind and our solar got shut down, and they were collectively more than 10% of our power grid, and that thrust Texas into a situation where it was lacking power on a statewide basis."
Trending News Texas mayor resigns after telling residents "only the strong will survive" Don't blame wind turbines for Texas' historic power outages NAACP lawsuit will put Trump "out of business," lawmaker says Texas governor details plan to restore power to millions But the Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT), which supplies about 90% of the state with its power, said Tuesday that wind power is responsible for just a fraction of the loss. Of the 45,000 megawatts of power offline during the peak, 30,000 megawatts stemmed from natural gas, while 16,000 megawatts were from wind turbines.
"Of the power shortfall that hit Texas, over 80% was due to problems at coal- and gas-fired plants," PolitiFact reported.
Experts say traditional energy sources, including coal and natural gas, performed below expectations, while wind power actually performed above expectations.
"Main story continues to be the failure of thermal power plants — natural gas, coal, and nuclear plants — which ERCOT counts on to be there when needed. They've failed," Princeton engineering professor Jesse Jenkins tweeted Tuesday. "Those of you who have heard that frozen wind turbines are to blame for this, think again. The extreme demand and thermal power plant outages are the principle cause."
Proponents of renewable energy blasted state officials for blaming the issue on turbines alone.
"It is disgraceful to see the longtime antagonists of clean power — who attack it whether it is raining, snowing, or the sun is shining — engaging in a politically opportunistic charade misleading Americans to promote an agenda that has nothing to do with restoring power to Texas communities," Heather Zichal, the CEO of the American Clean Power Association, said in a statement Tuesday. "It is an extreme weather problem, not a clean power problem. If anything, it shows why we need to be investing in building out more renewable energy sources with better transmission and storage to replace outdated systems."
Both ERCOT and energy analysts say natural gas, which provides just over one-third of Texas power and heats about 40% of its homes, holds most of the blame for the outages.
"By far the biggest outages have come from our natural gas plants," Daniel Cohan, associate professor of environmental engineering at Rice University, told CBS MoneyWatch reporter Irina Ivanova. "A portion were down for scheduled maintenance. Others weren't designed to operate reliably in extreme cold weather and others haven't been able to get enough natural gas supply."
"It appears that a lot of the generation that has gone offline today has been primarily due to issues on the natural gas system," Dan Woodfin, a senior director at ERCOT, told reporters.
Abbott also acknowledged it, in contrast to his comments on Fox News. "The ability of some companies that generate the power has been frozen. This includes the natural gas and coal generators," he tweeted Monday.
Furthermore, there are anti-icing methods available to keep wind turbines operating in frigid temperatures, but Texas has not invested in them due to the rarity of severe cold weather there.
"Iowa and Denmark get a bigger percentage of their power from wind than we do. There are ways to winterize a lot of these power suppliers, but it costs money and it takes power and maintenance," Cohan said. "In Texas and the South we've been more focused on keeping our lights on in the summer."
ERCOT said it prepared for winter storms — but even their most extreme predictions were surpassed by this week's severe weather, and demand for power skyrocketed. Nearly every energy source has had failings during the storm, according to the U.S. Department of Energy.
Texas is the only state in the continental U.S. that has its own separate power grid — it isn't regulated by the federal government and is disconnected from neighboring states. On Tuesday, Abbott ordered an investigation into ERCOT.
"The Electric Reliability Council of Texas has been anything but reliable over the past 48 hours. Far too many Texans are without power and heat for their homes," he said in a statement. "This is unacceptable." https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-power-outage-wind-turbine-winter-storm- electrical-grid/
Not a supporter of New Green Deal, but this time natural gas should also be partially responsible.
According to News, natural gas SPOT has sky-rocketed due to shortage. The energy company probably cut supply dramatically to avoid huge cost (not sure why, they probably under legal constraints to held the price under some threshold I guess).
But this again could be due to the Green Deal which reduced the storage of nat gas/oil. So I guess you are right.
【 在 shede (有舍有得) 的大作中提到: 】 : Not a supporter of New Green Deal, but this time natural gas should also be : partially responsible. : According to News, natural gas SPOT has sky-rocketed due to shortage. The : energy company probably cut supply dramatically to avoid huge cost (not sure : why, they probably under legal constraints to held the price under some : threshold I guess). : But this again could be due to the Green Deal which reduced the storage of : nat gas/oil. So I guess you are right.
Iowa: About 42% of Iowa’s electric net generation comes from wind, the largest share of any state. More than two-fifths of Iowa's electricity net generation comes from renewable resources, almost all of it from wind.23 In 2019, the state was the third-largest wind power producer, after Texas and Oklahoma. Wind energy from about 5,100 turbines powered 42% of Iowa's net generation, the highest share of any state, as more wind power generating capacity came online.24,25,26 The strongest winds occur in northwestern Iowa, and although there are wind power generating sites across the state, most of the wind farms are located in the state's northern and western areas. https://www.eia.gov/state/analysis.php?sid=IA
【 在 digua (姚之FAN) 的大作中提到: 】 : 老兄，我先声明一下，俺既不属于变暖教，也不属于不变暖教。俺对这两个教派的争执 : 毫无兴趣。 : 中西部这边风电很多，既不怕snow也不怕ice storm。德州这次的风暴水平，放在中西 : 部就是小菜一碟。他们实在是不知道怎么过冬。 : Iowa: : About 42% of Iowa’s electric net generation comes from wind, the largest : share of any state. More than two-fifths of Iowa's electricity net : generation comes from renewable resources, almost all of it from wind.23 In : 2019, the state was the third-largest wind power producer, after Texas and : Oklahoma. Wind energy from about 5,100 turbines powered 42% of Iowa's net : ...................
Wind energy generated 30.6% of electricity in Germany
...
Wind power generated approximately 75TWh in the first half of 2020, about 11.7% above that recorded a year earlier, and during February, largely due to numerous winter storms, its share of net generation of electricity increased to 45%.
Wind energy generated 30.6% of electricity in Germany
...
Wind power generated approximately 75TWh in the first half of 2020, about 11.7% above that recorded a year earlier, and during February, largely due to numerous winter storms, its share of net generation of electricity increasedto 45%.
【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: awaydream (昆仑天下), 信区: Military
标 题: 变暖教这次狠狠地教育了德州红脖子, 要了不少人的命
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Feb 17 23:11:27 2021, 美东)
2021年这次ice storm， 风电占20%， 结果全线崩溃，短时间根本恢复不过来。
天然气和煤电，有knock off的，但是至少很多没有被knock off，还能保持一定
的供电，否则就不是几个million停电，而是上千万，甚至集体停电了。
变暖教的人能不能出来解释一下，遇到德州的状况，如果40%的风电，60%的太阳能，
现在有全线崩盘的状况，德州的人还能不能活？
我感觉，有化石能源在，至少保证有一大帮人还能有电，没有电的人跑到有电人那边
去避难。要是全是风能太阳能，这回直接全挂了，修都不用修了，3000万人集体逃难。那画面，真是美丽得让人难以想象。
不过，就是这次，德州红脖子应该也会明白怎么回事了。虽然有很多变暖教的还在
混淆视听，我的文章一出，应该大家都明白了，只要不是傻子。
这次德州的灾难，除了极端天气，还有很多人祸。除了变暖教的人祸，还有美国
Leadership
和MBA的人祸，这些人为了追求短期报表好看，追求利润率，就千方百计降低库存，
连系统必须的安全冗余都给弄没了。
平常是挺好，看着表格挺好看，MBA leader们各种吹牛逼。一旦遇到突发状况，需要
额外库存和冗余了，全抓瞎了。这回，他们又一如既往地抓瞎了，真是stable genius.
你是一个有思想的高产作家。
我这一个简单的问题就戳死变暖教，就是要一针见血，一剑封侯。
看完了我的问题，再看看左臂们的狡辩之辞，你会发现他们说的非常苍白无力。
Don't blame wind turbines for Texas' historic power outages
BY SOPHIE LEWIS
FEBRUARY 17, 2021 / 7:18 PM / CBS NEWS
Officials say the situation in Texas is dire, as some 3 million homes and
businesses remain without power following a deadly, record-breaking storm.
As some of the coldest temperatures in decades hit the Lone Star State, many have pointed blame at an unusual source: wind turbines.
While the state's power grid can handle its blazingly hot summers, it is not nearly as prepared for severe winter weather — extremes that are only
expected to worsen as the climate crisis escalates. Frozen wind turbines
across the state led some conservative politicians to declare that renewable energy is responsible for the catastrophic power failures and rolling
blackouts.
"This is what happens when you force the grid to rely in part on wind as a
power source," Republican Congressman Dan Crenshaw tweeted Tuesday. "When
weather conditions get bad as they did this week, intermittent renewable
energy like wind isn't there when you need it."
"We should never build another wind turbine in Texas," Texas Agriculture
Commissioner Sid Miller wrote on Facebook. "The experiment failed big time."
Texas Governor Greg Abbott echoed the sentiment and took the opportunity to criticize the Green New Deal.
"This shows how the Green New Deal would be a deadly deal for the United
States of America," Abbott said to Fox News' Sean Hannity on Tuesday. "Our
wind and our solar got shut down, and they were collectively more than 10%
of our power grid, and that thrust Texas into a situation where it was
lacking power on a statewide basis."
Trending News
Texas mayor resigns after telling residents "only the strong will survive"
Don't blame wind turbines for Texas' historic power outages
NAACP lawsuit will put Trump "out of business," lawmaker says
Texas governor details plan to restore power to millions
But the Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT), which supplies about 90% of the state with its power, said Tuesday that wind power is responsible for just a fraction of the loss. Of the 45,000 megawatts of power offline
during the peak, 30,000 megawatts stemmed from natural gas, while 16,000
megawatts were from wind turbines.
"Of the power shortfall that hit Texas, over 80% was due to problems at coal- and gas-fired plants," PolitiFact reported.
Experts say traditional energy sources, including coal and natural gas,
performed below expectations, while wind power actually performed above
expectations.
"Main story continues to be the failure of thermal power plants — natural
gas, coal, and nuclear plants — which ERCOT counts on to be there when
needed. They've failed," Princeton engineering professor Jesse Jenkins
tweeted Tuesday. "Those of you who have heard that frozen wind turbines are to blame for this, think again. The extreme demand and thermal power plant
outages are the principle cause."
Proponents of renewable energy blasted state officials for blaming the issue on turbines alone.
"It is disgraceful to see the longtime antagonists of clean power — who
attack it whether it is raining, snowing, or the sun is shining — engaging in a politically opportunistic charade misleading Americans to promote an
agenda that has nothing to do with restoring power to Texas communities,"
Heather Zichal, the CEO of the American Clean Power Association, said in a
statement Tuesday. "It is an extreme weather problem, not a clean power
problem. If anything, it shows why we need to be investing in building out
more renewable energy sources with better transmission and storage to
replace outdated systems."
Both ERCOT and energy analysts say natural gas, which provides just over one-third of Texas power and heats about 40% of its homes, holds most of the
blame for the outages.
"By far the biggest outages have come from our natural gas plants," Daniel
Cohan, associate professor of environmental engineering at Rice University, told CBS MoneyWatch reporter Irina Ivanova. "A portion were down for
scheduled maintenance. Others weren't designed to operate reliably in
extreme cold weather and others haven't been able to get enough natural gas supply."
"It appears that a lot of the generation that has gone offline today has
been primarily due to issues on the natural gas system," Dan Woodfin, a
senior director at ERCOT, told reporters.
Abbott also acknowledged it, in contrast to his comments on Fox News. "The
ability of some companies that generate the power has been frozen. This
includes the natural gas and coal generators," he tweeted Monday.
Furthermore, there are anti-icing methods available to keep wind turbines
operating in frigid temperatures, but Texas has not invested in them due to the rarity of severe cold weather there.
"Iowa and Denmark get a bigger percentage of their power from wind than we
do. There are ways to winterize a lot of these power suppliers, but it costs money and it takes power and maintenance," Cohan said. "In Texas and the
South we've been more focused on keeping our lights on in the summer."
ERCOT said it prepared for winter storms — but even their most extreme
predictions were surpassed by this week's severe weather, and demand for
power skyrocketed. Nearly every energy source has had failings during the
storm, according to the U.S. Department of Energy.
Texas is the only state in the continental U.S. that has its own separate
power grid — it isn't regulated by the federal government and is
disconnected from neighboring states. On Tuesday, Abbott ordered an
investigation into ERCOT.
"The Electric Reliability Council of Texas has been anything but reliable
over the past 48 hours. Far too many Texans are without power and heat for
their homes," he said in a statement. "This is unacceptable."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-power-outage-wind-turbine-winter-storm-
electrical-grid/
赞好文
Not a supporter of New Green Deal, but this time natural gas should also be partially responsible.
According to News, natural gas SPOT has sky-rocketed due to shortage. The
energy company probably cut supply dramatically to avoid huge cost (not sure why, they probably under legal constraints to held the price under some
threshold I guess).
But this again could be due to the Green Deal which reduced the storage of
nat gas/oil. So I guess you are right.
天然气生产商赔钱赚吆喝了很久了，一堆公司都破产了。
好不容易逮个机会，也该出点高价让人家回一下血了。
但是是不是炒到那么高的天价，这事就不好说了。
反正双方都想利益最大化，结果变成了互相伤害，谁逮住机会，就
猛操对方。
【 在 shede (有舍有得) 的大作中提到: 】
: Not a supporter of New Green Deal, but this time natural gas should also
be
: partially responsible.
: According to News, natural gas SPOT has sky-rocketed due to shortage. The : energy company probably cut supply dramatically to avoid huge cost (not
sure
: why, they probably under legal constraints to held the price under some
: threshold I guess).
: But this again could be due to the Green Deal which reduced the storage of
: nat gas/oil. So I guess you are right.
老兄，我先声明一下，俺既不属于变暖教，也不属于不变暖教。俺对这两个教派的争执毫无兴趣。
中西部这边风电很多，既不怕snow也不怕ice storm。德州这次的风暴水平，放在中西
部就是小菜一碟。他们实在是不知道怎么过冬。
Iowa:
About 42% of Iowa’s electric net generation comes from wind, the largest
share of any state. More than two-fifths of Iowa's electricity net
generation comes from renewable resources, almost all of it from wind.23 In 2019, the state was the third-largest wind power producer, after Texas and
Oklahoma. Wind energy from about 5,100 turbines powered 42% of Iowa's net
generation, the highest share of any state, as more wind power generating
capacity came online.24,25,26 The strongest winds occur in northwestern Iowa, and although there are wind power generating sites across the state, most of the wind farms are located in the state's northern and western areas.
https://www.eia.gov/state/analysis.php?sid=IA
【 在 awaydream (昆仑天下) 的大作中提到: 】
: 发信人: awaydream (昆仑天下), 信区: Military
: 标 题: 变暖教这次狠狠地教育了德州红脖子, 要了不少人的命
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Feb 17 23:11:27 2021, 美东)
: 2021年这次ice storm， 风电占20%， 结果全线崩溃，短时间根本恢复不过来。
: 天然气和煤电，有knock off的，但是至少很多没有被knock off，还能保持一定
: 的供电，否则就不是几个million停电，而是上千万，甚至集体停电了。
: 变暖教的人能不能出来解释一下，遇到德州的状况，如果40%的风电，60%的太阳能，: 现在有全线崩盘的状况，德州的人还能不能活？
: 我感觉，有化石能源在，至少保证有一大帮人还能有电，没有电的人跑到有电人那边: 去避难。要是全是风能太阳能，这回直接全挂了，修都不用修了，3000万人集体逃难。
: ...................
IOWA是小州，随便怎么折腾。
没风了，可以从电网上调电。
大州这么靠风，真缺了，从哪里调啊。
这事就跟中国14亿人口，不能学小破国，比如鼻屎国新加坡自己不种粮，
就靠买一样。人家鼻屎国小，随便买点，市场能应付。你中国14亿人，全靠买，
随时玩完。
当然，德州红脖子mba确实也傻逼一些，否则也不会这么惨。
【 在 digua (姚之FAN) 的大作中提到: 】
: 老兄，我先声明一下，俺既不属于变暖教，也不属于不变暖教。俺对这两个教派的争执
: 毫无兴趣。
: 中西部这边风电很多，既不怕snow也不怕ice storm。德州这次的风暴水平，放在中西
: 部就是小菜一碟。他们实在是不知道怎么过冬。
: Iowa:
: About 42% of Iowa’s electric net generation comes from wind, the largest : share of any state. More than two-fifths of Iowa's electricity net
: generation comes from renewable resources, almost all of it from wind.23
In
: 2019, the state was the third-largest wind power producer, after Texas and
: Oklahoma. Wind energy from about 5,100 turbines powered 42% of Iowa's net : ...................
德州自己傻逼不进东部电网
不要怪别人
【 在 awaydream (昆仑天下) 的大作中提到: 】
: IOWA是小州，随便怎么折腾。
: 没风了，可以从电网上调电。
: 大州这么靠风，真缺了，从哪里调啊。
: 这事就跟中国14亿人口，不能学小破国，比如鼻屎国新加坡自己不种粮，
: 就靠买一样。人家鼻屎国小，随便买点，市场能应付。你中国14亿人，全靠买，
: 随时玩完。
: 当然，德州红脖子mba确实也傻逼一些，否则也不会这么惨。
: In
那就看德国吧，风电达到30%，冬风暴来的越多越高兴，因为可以发更多的电了。
所以说这次的事情，从北方人看来，真的是因为德州人不知道怎么过冬造成的。
https://www.evwind.es/2020/07/05/wind-energy-generated-30-6-of-electricity-
in-germany/75549
Wind energy generated 30.6% of electricity in Germany
...
Wind power generated approximately 75TWh in the first half of 2020, about 11.7% above that recorded a year earlier, and during February, largely due to numerous winter storms, its share of net generation of electricity increased to 45%.
【 在 awaydream (昆仑天下) 的大作中提到: 】
: IOWA是小州，随便怎么折腾。
: 没风了，可以从电网上调电。
: 大州这么靠风，真缺了，从哪里调啊。
: 这事就跟中国14亿人口，不能学小破国，比如鼻屎国新加坡自己不种粮，
: 就靠买一样。人家鼻屎国小，随便买点，市场能应付。你中国14亿人，全靠买，
: 随时玩完。
: 当然，德州红脖子mba确实也傻逼一些，否则也不会这么惨。
1. 德州电网是美国最特殊，没有和全国联网，所以其他州没法帮忙。
2. 全球不是变冷或者变暖，而是变得更极端，容易出现极寒和极热的情况。
3. 最靠谱的是各家配置柴油发电机？
还有一个问题，为啥很多东西一定要用电，供暖，做饭，烧水，烘衣服都用气的话，其实一天家里也用不了多少电的，最大的耗电也就是冰箱。关键是供暖的系统一定要有非电备用控制系统，这样保证停电后供暖就没问题
德州的经验，先断电， 再断气，再断水。
断电断气断水的话，你还能顶多久？
【 在 ltian (舟) 的大作中提到: 】
: 还有一个问题，为啥很多东西一定要用电，供暖，做饭，烧水，烘衣服都用气的话，其
: 实一天家里也用不了多少电的，最大的耗电也就是冰箱。关键是供暖的系统一定要有非
: 电备用控制系统，这样保证停电后供暖就没问题
大家预计下这次德州要死多少人
还是核电比较好
操 真能扯淡 全是凭感觉
你有什么数据显示崩盘都是新能源？
有什么数据显示停电的都是新能源，用石油天然气的都有电？
【 在 awaydream (昆仑天下) 的大作中提到: 】
: 发信人: awaydream (昆仑天下), 信区: Military
: 标 题: 变暖教这次狠狠地教育了德州红脖子, 要了不少人的命
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Feb 17 23:11:27 2021, 美东)
: 2021年这次ice storm， 风电占20%， 结果全线崩溃，短时间根本恢复不过来。
: 天然气和煤电，有knock off的，但是至少很多没有被knock off，还能保持一定
: 的供电，否则就不是几个million停电，而是上千万，甚至集体停电了。
: 变暖教的人能不能出来解释一下，遇到德州的状况，如果40%的风电，60%的太阳能，: 现在有全线崩盘的状况，德州的人还能不能活？
: 我感觉，有化石能源在，至少保证有一大帮人还能有电，没有电的人跑到有电人那边: 去避难。要是全是风能太阳能，这回直接全挂了，修都不用修了，3000万人集体逃难。
: ...................
mark
【 在 awaydream (昆仑天下) 的大作中提到: 】
: 发信人: awaydream (昆仑天下), 信区: Military
: 标 题: 变暖教这次狠狠地教育了德州红脖子, 要了不少人的命
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Feb 17 23:11:27 2021, 美东)
: 2021年这次ice storm， 风电占20%， 结果全线崩溃，短时间根本恢复不过来。
: 天然气和煤电，有knock off的，但是至少很多没有被knock off，还能保持一定
: 的供电，否则就不是几个million停电，而是上千万，甚至集体停电了。
: 变暖教的人能不能出来解释一下，遇到德州的状况，如果40%的风电，60%的太阳能，: 现在有全线崩盘的状况，德州的人还能不能活？
: 我感觉，有化石能源在，至少保证有一大帮人还能有电，没有电的人跑到有电人那边: 去避难。要是全是风能太阳能，这回直接全挂了，修都不用修了，3000万人集体逃难。
: ...................
风电波动非常大， 需要巨大的缓冲，这个缓冲就是大量的随时待命的火电
或者其他的电网支持。
否则，一旦用电需求激增，又没有风，就完了蛋了。
而这些备用电厂，维护，运营都要钱的，这些都要加到风电
的额外成本里面。
风电，太阳能电占比大到一定的比例（具体不好讲，看情况），我感觉大于50%，
就会有巨大的系统风险。一有突发情况，就会掉链子。
德州这次风电100%崩盘和准备不足有关，准备足，估计也要掉很多。
而太阳能就更不要说了。 要是这次德州60%是太阳能（New Green Deal的plan），
这次就直接躺到等死就行了。
变暖教各种混淆是非其实很容易戳穿， 就一句话， 今天天然气等火电还能发出保持80%
居民的用电。 今天的德州，太阳能和风电，还能发出值几毛钱的电，还能支持多少家
庭？
具体到自己地区，你家在德州，如果靠太阳能和风电的话，这次肯定死得透透的。
修一回爆裂的水管，就够你好几年，甚至一辈子的电费了。
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标 题: Re: 变暖教这次狠狠地教育了德州红脖子, 要了不少人的命 (转载
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Feb 18 00:32:22 2021, 美东)
那就看德国吧，风电达到30%，冬风暴来的越多越高兴，因为可以发更多的电了。
所以说这次的事情，从北方人看来，真的是因为德州人不知道怎么过冬造成的。
https://www.evwind.es/2020/07/05/wind-energy-generated-30-6-of-electricity-
in-germany/75549
Wind energy generated 30.6% of electricity in Germany
...
Wind power generated approximately 75TWh in the first half of 2020, about 11.7% above that recorded a year earlier, and during February, largely due to
numerous winter storms, its share of net generation of electricity increasedto 45%.
TX needs at least to build 10,000 MW GPS over t next few yrs
现在德州的能源：
火电70， 崩掉了一些，还有60多%
核电10%
风电20% 全崩了
太阳能 全崩了。
××××××××××××××××××××××××××××
如果都换成风电和太阳能，这次的事情就是全崩的命。
发信人: awaydream (昆仑天下), 信区: Military
标 题: Re: 楼主傻了 Re: 变暖教这次狠狠地教育了德州红脖子, 要了不
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Feb 17 23:53:38 2021, 美东)
solar几乎清零了，wind也暴跌。
我的说法，没啥问题。
按变暖教的cooking book， 40% 风能， 60% 太阳能的话，这次同样的管理，
得崩掉90%。
如果全美国都按照变暖教的cooking book来， 那就有的好看了。
【 在 YangCN (老杨) 的大作中提到: 】
: 操 真能扯淡 全是凭感觉
: 你有什么数据显示崩盘都是新能源？
: 有什么数据显示停电的都是新能源，用石油天然气的都有电？
:
德州人应该像senator Ted Cruz学习
风暴来临，停电停水
飞去Cancun度假
等一切回复正常再回来
自己看看图，火电也掉链子了，丢了10-20% 的capacity
但是风电丢了90%甚至更多，太阳能几乎全丢了。
关键时刻，谁更靠得住，一目了然。
Ted好low啊。
这一跑，把政治前途跑光了。
本来有些人还觉得，他有机会选总统的。
【 在 wudadan (dandan) 的大作中提到: 】
: 德州人应该像senator Ted Cruz学习
: 风暴来临，停电停水
: 飞去Cancun度假
: 等一切回复正常再回来
【 在 awaydream (昆仑天下) 的大作中提到: 】
: 现在德州的能源：
: 火电70， 崩掉了一些，还有60多%
: 核电10%
: 风电20% 全崩了
: 太阳能 全崩了。
: ××××××××××××××××××××××××××××
: 如果都换成风电和太阳能，这次的事情就是全崩的命。
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article2/Military/59578495_425.jpg
: 发信人: awaydream (昆仑天下), 信区: Military
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: ...................
over depending on wind power
LOL
有好多个原因，但是风电（又没准备好，是核心原因之一）。
【 在 WLion (受伤的狮子) 的大作中提到: 】
: over depending on wind power
: LOL
你要多动点脑子，不要因为自己手里一把油股着急解套就这么大放厥词，看你每隔一段时间就上来pump一次油股，你这就跟QAnon，地球是平的这种论调一样的傻。风电和太
阳能这次垮掉，正是因为德州红脖子们完全不上心，没有应急机制和预案。举个简单的例子，这种程度的暴雪要搁中西部和东部，隔夜就把路上积雪铲得干干净净了，再看看德州呢？
再给你举个例子，智能手机刚出来的时候也挺多毛病的，电需要一天一充，bug也多，
也不容易修。然后你就说智能手机是垃圾，大家都该回去接着用大哥大。不觉得这种论调搞笑么？
【 在 awaydream (昆仑天下) 的大作中提到: 】
: 有好多个原因，但是风电（又没准备好，是核心原因之一）。
上核电
核电刚停机一个反应堆。
【 在 weierstrass (没昵称) 的大作中提到: 】
: 上核电
请问历史上旧金山有没有下大雪的时候？
昨天看一个连续剧当看到女主（剧情这个时候应该还没看出是女主，但我猜应该是）说站在金门大桥，看漫天飞雪，我就果断弃剧了。剧名是《爱不需要理由》，男主角是罗晋。
嘿嘿, 现在不提变暖了,叫异常天气. 德州事件更加说明了减排的迫切性.
从维基上看来的：风能占比最高的五个州
The top five states according to percentage of generation by wind in 2019
were:[54]
Iowa (41.7%)
Kansas (36.4%)
Oklahoma (31.7%)
North Dakota (25.8%)
South Dakota (24.4%)
也没看见那个州被一场雪搞得如此狼狈， 归根到底， 还是德州ercot管理水平太差
【 在 CrushHaters (Crushhhhh) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你要多动点脑子，不要因为自己手里一把油股着急解套就这么大放厥词，看你每隔一段
: 时间就上来pump一次油股，你这就跟QAnon，地球是平的这种论调一样的傻。风电和太
: 阳能这次垮掉，正是因为德州红脖子们完全不上心，没有应急机制和预案。举个简单的
: 例子，这种程度的暴雪要搁中西部和东部，隔夜就把路上积雪铲得干干净净了，再看看
: 德州呢？
: 再给你举个例子，智能手机刚出来的时候也挺多毛病的，电需要一天一充，bug也多，
: 也不容易修。然后你就说智能手机是垃圾，大家都该回去接着用大哥大。不觉得这种论
: 调搞笑么？
LOL
【 在 wudadan (dandan) 的大作中提到: 】
: 德州人应该像senator Ted Cruz学习
: 风暴来临，停电停水
: 飞去Cancun度假
: 等一切回复正常再回来
石油打上来就冻住，火电厂和核电站的冷却水也冻住了，
甚至天然气都冻住出不来，这才是造成大面积停电的主要原因，
TEXAS有自己的独立供电系统，如果并入全国的电网，根本
就不会有几百万停电挨冻的惨剧，其实就是TEXAS人想省
几个电费，并入西部电网，电费会贵一些。
是德州的风扇为了省钱，不装防冷的保护装置，平时没事，这次被冻住了。北方州都没问题的。
这次停电主要是个技术问题，不是政策问题。
【 在 awaydream (昆仑天下) 的大作中提到: 】
: 发信人: awaydream (昆仑天下), 信区: Military
: 标 题: 变暖教这次狠狠地教育了德州红脖子, 要了不少人的命
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Feb 17 23:11:27 2021, 美东)
: 2021年这次ice storm， 风电占20%， 结果全线崩溃，短时间根本恢复不过来。
: 天然气和煤电，有knock off的，但是至少很多没有被knock off，还能保持一定
: 的供电，否则就不是几个million停电，而是上千万，甚至集体停电了。
: 变暖教的人能不能出来解释一下，遇到德州的状况，如果40%的风电，60%的太阳能，: 现在有全线崩盘的状况，德州的人还能不能活？
: 我感觉，有化石能源在，至少保证有一大帮人还能有电，没有电的人跑到有电人那边: 去避难。要是全是风能太阳能，这回直接全挂了，修都不用修了，3000万人集体逃难。
: ...................
德州没加入国家电网是关键
为了资本家吸血，p民的供电完全没有预案
绿能计划还没开始 就要顶锅
楼主太牛
说的不错，这就是共和党人小政府想独立，
DEREGUALTION的结果，其实背后拿了不少OIL
GAS COMPANY的黑钱, RICK PERRY的
贡献不小.
【 在 onceaweek (木开心) 的大作中提到: 】
: 德州没加入国家电网是关键
: 为了资本家吸血，p民的供电完全没有预案
: 绿能计划还没开始 就要顶锅
: 楼主太牛
求求你不要洗了。
这次德州几乎所有的发电来源都出问题，风电太阳能天然气煤电没有不中招的，就连最稳定的核电站都挂了一个。说明什么问题？说明不是能源来源的问题，而是整个发电系统的问题。
这次德州要是真的甩锅风电成功的话，为了德州人民着想，以后还是确实不要用风电的好。反正德州有的是钱，以后交点carbon tax也无所谓，还是用老祖宗的办法，烧锅炉取暖最可靠。
【 在 awaydream (昆仑天下) 的大作中提到: 】
: 发信人: awaydream (昆仑天下), 信区: Military
: 标 题: 变暖教这次狠狠地教育了德州红脖子, 要了不少人的命
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Feb 17 23:11:27 2021, 美东)
: 2021年这次ice storm， 风电占20%， 结果全线崩溃，短时间根本恢复不过来。
: 天然气和煤电，有knock off的，但是至少很多没有被knock off，还能保持一定
: 的供电，否则就不是几个million停电，而是上千万，甚至集体停电了。
: 变暖教的人能不能出来解释一下，遇到德州的状况，如果40%的风电，60%的太阳能，: 现在有全线崩盘的状况，德州的人还能不能活？
: 我感觉，有化石能源在，至少保证有一大帮人还能有电，没有电的人跑到有电人那边: 去避难。要是全是风能太阳能，这回直接全挂了，修都不用修了，3000万人集体逃难。
: ...................