WHILE I WAS DRIVING ON FREEWAY AT 65 MPH, THE BRAKE PEDAL WENT DOWN TO THE FLOOR AND MADE A LOUD GRINDING SOUND. THE DASHBOARD FLASHED WARNING LIGHTS "BRAKE" AND A 2ND WARNING OF "CHECK BRAKE SYSTEM". I IMMEDIATELY PULLED OVER AND CONSULTED THE MANUAL WHICH SAID STOP IMMEDIATELY AND CONTACT TOYOTA DEALER, WHICH I DID. I TOOK THE CAR IN TO LIPTON TOYOTA, SUNRISE, FL (IT WAS NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE ON THE FREEWAY). BY THE TIME I REACHED THE DEALER THE BRAKE LIGHTS WENT OUT. THEY CALLED LATER AND INFORMED ME NOTHING WAS WRONG. I ASKED THEM TO RECHECK AS I KNEW SOMETHING WAS WRONG SINCE THE BRAKE DID NOT FUNCTION PROPERLY AND MADE A TERRIBLE NOISE. THEY KEPT THE CAR UNTIL THE FOLLOWING MORNING TO RECHECK THE CAR, AND AGAIN SAID NOTHING WAS WRONG. IT HAPPENED TWICE ONE AT 22K AND ANOTHER AT 24K MILES
BRAKE DID NOT HOLD WHILE AT STOP LIGHT - VEHICLE WAS IN MOTION AT LIGHT
TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2015 TOYOTA CAMRY. WHILE APPROACHING A STOP WITH THE BRAKE PEDAL DEPRESSED, THE BRAKES FAILED TO STOP AND THE VEHICLE CONTINUED TO MOVE. THE ABS WARNING INDICATOR ILLUMINATED. IN ORDER TO STOP THE VEHICLE, THE CONTACT HAD TO ENGAGE THE EMERGENCY BRAKE. THE LOCAL DEALER AND MANUFACTURER WERE NOT CONTACTED. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT DIAGNOSED OR REPAIRED. THE VIN WAS UNKNOWN. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS APPROXIMATELY 25,450.
L* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2015 TOYOTA CAMRY. WHILE THE VEHICLE WAS APPROACHING A STOP AT AN INTERSECTION, THE BRAKES FAILED. THE CONTACT DEPRESSED THE BRAKE PEDAL EXCESSIVELY, BUT THE VEHICLE WOULD NOT STOP. AS A RESULT, THE CONTACT WAS INVOLVED IN A SIDE IMPACT COLLISION. ……………………
2016 camry 8个 IN NOVEMBER OF 2016 WHILE DRIVING BRAKE LIGHTS CAME UP IN 2 PLACES INDICATING CHECK BRAKES. WHEN PUTTING FOOT ON THE BRAKES THEY WENT TO THE FLOOR. TOOK CAR TO DEALERSHIP, THEY COULD NOT FIND ANYTHING WRONG. ON MAY 12,2017 LEAVING MY HOUSE I NOTICED BOTH LIGHTS WERE ON INDICATING CHECK BRAKES AND BRAKES. I LEFT THE DRIVEWAY AND WHEN I CAME TO A STOP THERE WAS A LOUND NOICE COMING FROM THE BARKES AND MY FOOT WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE FLOOR. I CALLED PAGE TOYOTA CAR WAS TOWED TO DEALERSHIP. ONCE AGAIN I WAS TOLD THAT THEY COULD NOT FIND A PROBLEM.
I WAS IN BUMPER TO BUMPER TRAFFIC ON THE BELTWAY GOING BETWEEN 5 -10 MILES PER HOUR ON A DRY ROAD. WHEN I APPLIED THE BRAKES MULTIPLE TIMES, THE CAR WOULD NOT STOP AND IT CONTINUED FORWARD UNTIL I REAR ENDED THE OTHER CAR. WHEN I APPLIED THE BRAKES, I NOTICED THE BRAKE PEDAL BEGAN TO PUMP. CAR WAS PURCHASED 3/16 WITH NO PROBLEMS UNTIL WE WENT ON VACATION 6/16 WITH ABOUT A 1200 MI ONE WAY DRIVE. UPON ARRIVAL WE NOTICED THAT AT LONG STOPLIGHTS THE BRAKE WAS GOING TO THE FLOOR. AFTER HAVING THIS HAPPEN SEVERAL TIMES THE CAR WOULD ACTUALLY START MOVING WITH THE PEDAL DOWN ON THE FLOOR. PUMPING THE BRAKES WOULD BRING THE PRESSURE BACK UP, BUT THE PEDAL WOULD STILL CREEP TO THE FLOOR ON STEADY PRESSURE.
……
2017 1个
WHEN I WAS DRIVING BACK HOME ON MY 2017 CAMRY XLE 2 NIGHTS AGO (CLEAR NIGHT, DRY ROAD, GOOD DRIVING CONDITIONS) I HIT THE BRAKES AS I WAS APPROACHING A RED TRAFFIC LIGHT. AS I DEPRESSED THE BRAKE PEDAL, IT WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE FLOOR WITH A NOISE, WITHOUT BRAKING. LUCKILY, I WAS ALREADY DRIVING SLOW AND THERE WAS NO CAR IN FRONT OF ME, ELSE I WOULD HAVE HIT ANY CAR THAT HAD BEEN IN FRONT OF ME. I PANICKED AND HIT THE BRAKES AGAIN AND THIS TIME THE CAR STOPPED A LITTLE SHORT OF THE CROSS TRAFFIC, BUT PAST THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING. I TOOK THE CAR IN FOR SERVICE TO TOYOTA AND THEY ARE TELLING ME THAT THERE IS NO LOG OF THIS EVENT IN THE CAR'S "LOG" AND BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T THERE WHEN THIS ISSUE HAPPENED THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT CAUSED IT!
2017 rav4 6个 BREAKS FAILED WHEN BACKING OUT OF PARKING SPACE AND FAILED IMMEDIATELY AGAIN WHEN TRYING TO PULL BACK INTO PARKING SPACE AFTER CAR HIT A CAR AND THEN HIT A CART CORRAL PUSHING THAT INTO ANOTHER CAR. AS A RESULT 3 CARS INCLUDING OURS WERE DAMAGED.
TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2017 TOYOTA RAV4. WHILE DRIVING AT UNKNOWN SPEEDS, THE BRAKE PEDAL TRAVELED TO THE FLOOR WHEN DEPRESSED AND THE VEHICLE DID NOT RESPOND. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO A LOCAL DEALER (PERFORMANCE TOYOTA LOCATED AT 5676 DIXIE HWY FAIRFIELD, OH 45014) WHERE IT DIAGNOSED THAT THE BRAKES MET TOYOTA SPECIFICATIONS. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOTIFIED OF THE FAILURE AND DID NOT ASSIST. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 1,400. UPDATED 11/02/17*LJ
……
2017 爬坡王 1个 2017 TOYOTA HIGLANDER. CONSUMER WRITES IN REGARDS TO UNINTENDED ACCELERATION. *LD THE CONSUMER STATED WHILE DEPRESSING THE BREAK PEDAL THE VEHICLE CONTINUED TO MOVE FORWARD. DUE TO THE FAILURE THE CONSUMER HAS RAN INTO A HANDICAP SIGN, LAWN TRACTOR AND WHEELBARROW. THE COLLISIONS CAUSED DAMAGE TO THE FRONT BUMPER, NUMBER PLATE AND NUMBER PLATE COVER. ALSO, CAUSED DEEP SCRATCHES TOT HE LEFT LOWER PANEL. THE VEHICLE WAS REPAIRED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOTIFIED UPDATED 09/28/2017*JS
2017 corolla 4个 I PULLED IN A PARKING LOT OF MY APARTMENT BUILDING, BUT MY CAR FAILED TO STOP AT THE CAR STOPPER (BUMP) AND KEPT GOING. I KEPT APPLYING THE BRAKES, BUT THE CAR KEPT GOING . IT WENT THROUGH A WOODEN FENCE, I CONTINUED TO APPLY THE BAKES, BUT THE CAR DIDN'T RESPOND AND KEPT GOING UNTIL IT HITS THE WALL OF THE ADJACENT BUILDING.
【 在 rihei (嘿嘿) 的大作中提到: 】 : 而且是普遍问题，每个车型每年都有 : 最搞笑的是dealer检查一通，说没问题，导致用户多次遇到 : 这么严重的问题nhtsa竟然没调查？ : 别家看了看几款都没发现这问题，别人的service brake基本都是手刹问题 : 踩了刹车刹车无效 : 难怪尼玛路上丰田车前面空最大 : 这要再遇到自动加速祈祷上帝都没用了 : 例如： : 2015 camry 24个brake 投诉 : WHILE I WAS DRIVING ON FREEWAY AT 65 MPH, THE BRAKE PEDAL WENT DOWN TO THE : ...................
最关键的是dealer检查一通，都说没问题，导致用户多次遇到
这么严重的问题nhtsa竟然没调查？
别家看了看几款都没发现这问题，别人的service brake基本都是手刹问题
丰田基本都是踩了刹车刹车无效
难怪尼玛路上丰田车前面空最大
这要再遇到自动加速祈祷上帝都没用了
例如：
2015 camry 24个brake 投诉
WHILE I WAS DRIVING ON FREEWAY AT 65 MPH, THE BRAKE PEDAL WENT DOWN TO THE
FLOOR AND MADE A LOUD GRINDING SOUND. THE DASHBOARD FLASHED WARNING LIGHTS "BRAKE" AND A 2ND WARNING OF "CHECK BRAKE SYSTEM". I IMMEDIATELY PULLED OVER AND CONSULTED THE MANUAL WHICH SAID STOP IMMEDIATELY AND CONTACT TOYOTA
DEALER, WHICH I DID. I TOOK THE CAR IN TO LIPTON TOYOTA, SUNRISE, FL (IT WAS NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE ON THE FREEWAY). BY THE TIME I REACHED THE DEALER THE BRAKE LIGHTS WENT OUT. THEY CALLED LATER AND INFORMED ME NOTHING WAS WRONG. I ASKED THEM TO RECHECK AS I KNEW SOMETHING WAS WRONG SINCE THE BRAKE DID
NOT FUNCTION PROPERLY AND MADE A TERRIBLE NOISE. THEY KEPT THE CAR UNTIL THE FOLLOWING MORNING TO RECHECK THE CAR, AND AGAIN SAID NOTHING WAS WRONG. IT HAPPENED TWICE ONE AT 22K AND ANOTHER AT 24K MILES
BRAKE DID NOT HOLD WHILE AT STOP LIGHT - VEHICLE WAS IN MOTION AT LIGHT
TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2015 TOYOTA CAMRY. WHILE APPROACHING A STOP WITH THE BRAKE PEDAL DEPRESSED, THE BRAKES FAILED TO STOP AND THE VEHICLE CONTINUED
TO MOVE. THE ABS WARNING INDICATOR ILLUMINATED. IN ORDER TO STOP THE VEHICLE, THE CONTACT HAD TO ENGAGE THE EMERGENCY BRAKE. THE LOCAL DEALER AND
MANUFACTURER WERE NOT CONTACTED. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT DIAGNOSED OR REPAIRED. THE VIN WAS UNKNOWN. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS APPROXIMATELY 25,450.
L* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2015 TOYOTA CAMRY. WHILE THE VEHICLE WAS APPROACHING A STOP AT AN INTERSECTION, THE BRAKES FAILED. THE CONTACT DEPRESSED THE BRAKE PEDAL EXCESSIVELY, BUT THE VEHICLE WOULD NOT STOP. AS A RESULT, THE CONTACT WAS INVOLVED IN A SIDE IMPACT COLLISION.
……………………
2016 camry 8个
IN NOVEMBER OF 2016 WHILE DRIVING BRAKE LIGHTS CAME UP IN 2 PLACES
INDICATING CHECK BRAKES. WHEN PUTTING FOOT ON THE BRAKES THEY WENT TO THE
FLOOR. TOOK CAR TO DEALERSHIP, THEY COULD NOT FIND ANYTHING WRONG. ON MAY 12,2017 LEAVING MY HOUSE I NOTICED BOTH LIGHTS WERE ON INDICATING CHECK BRAKES AND BRAKES. I LEFT THE DRIVEWAY AND WHEN I CAME TO A STOP THERE WAS A LOUND NOICE COMING FROM THE BARKES AND MY FOOT WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE FLOOR. I
CALLED PAGE TOYOTA CAR WAS TOWED TO DEALERSHIP. ONCE AGAIN I WAS TOLD THAT
THEY COULD NOT FIND A PROBLEM.
I WAS IN BUMPER TO BUMPER TRAFFIC ON THE BELTWAY GOING BETWEEN 5 -10 MILES
PER HOUR ON A DRY ROAD. WHEN I APPLIED THE BRAKES MULTIPLE TIMES, THE CAR
WOULD NOT STOP AND IT CONTINUED FORWARD UNTIL I REAR ENDED THE OTHER CAR.
WHEN I APPLIED THE BRAKES, I NOTICED THE BRAKE PEDAL BEGAN TO PUMP.
CAR WAS PURCHASED 3/16 WITH NO PROBLEMS UNTIL WE WENT ON VACATION 6/16 WITH ABOUT A 1200 MI ONE WAY DRIVE. UPON ARRIVAL WE NOTICED THAT AT LONG
STOPLIGHTS THE BRAKE WAS GOING TO THE FLOOR. AFTER HAVING THIS HAPPEN
SEVERAL TIMES THE CAR WOULD ACTUALLY START MOVING WITH THE PEDAL DOWN ON THE FLOOR. PUMPING THE BRAKES WOULD BRING THE PRESSURE BACK UP, BUT THE PEDAL
WOULD STILL CREEP TO THE FLOOR ON STEADY PRESSURE.
……
2017 1个
WHEN I WAS DRIVING BACK HOME ON MY 2017 CAMRY XLE 2 NIGHTS AGO (CLEAR NIGHT, DRY ROAD, GOOD DRIVING CONDITIONS) I HIT THE BRAKES AS I WAS APPROACHING A RED TRAFFIC LIGHT. AS I DEPRESSED THE BRAKE PEDAL, IT WENT ALL THE WAY TO
THE FLOOR WITH A NOISE, WITHOUT BRAKING. LUCKILY, I WAS ALREADY DRIVING SLOW AND THERE WAS NO CAR IN FRONT OF ME, ELSE I WOULD HAVE HIT ANY CAR THAT HAD BEEN IN FRONT OF ME. I PANICKED AND HIT THE BRAKES AGAIN AND THIS TIME THE CAR STOPPED A LITTLE SHORT OF THE CROSS TRAFFIC, BUT PAST THE PEDESTRIAN
CROSSING. I TOOK THE CAR IN FOR SERVICE TO TOYOTA AND THEY ARE TELLING ME
THAT THERE IS NO LOG OF THIS EVENT IN THE CAR'S "LOG" AND BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T THERE WHEN THIS ISSUE HAPPENED THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT CAUSED IT!
2017 rav4 6个
BREAKS FAILED WHEN BACKING OUT OF PARKING SPACE AND FAILED IMMEDIATELY AGAIN WHEN TRYING TO PULL BACK INTO PARKING SPACE AFTER CAR HIT A CAR AND THEN
HIT A CART CORRAL PUSHING THAT INTO ANOTHER CAR. AS A RESULT 3 CARS
INCLUDING OURS WERE DAMAGED.
TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2017 TOYOTA RAV4. WHILE DRIVING AT UNKNOWN SPEEDS,
THE BRAKE PEDAL TRAVELED TO THE FLOOR WHEN DEPRESSED AND THE VEHICLE DID NOT RESPOND. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO A LOCAL DEALER (PERFORMANCE TOYOTA
LOCATED AT 5676 DIXIE HWY FAIRFIELD, OH 45014) WHERE IT DIAGNOSED THAT THE
BRAKES MET TOYOTA SPECIFICATIONS. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED. THE
MANUFACTURER WAS NOTIFIED OF THE FAILURE AND DID NOT ASSIST. THE FAILURE
MILEAGE WAS 1,400. UPDATED 11/02/17*LJ
……
2017 爬坡王 1个
2017 TOYOTA HIGLANDER. CONSUMER WRITES IN REGARDS TO UNINTENDED ACCELERATION. *LD
THE CONSUMER STATED WHILE DEPRESSING THE BREAK PEDAL THE VEHICLE CONTINUED
TO MOVE FORWARD. DUE TO THE FAILURE THE CONSUMER HAS RAN INTO A HANDICAP
SIGN, LAWN TRACTOR AND WHEELBARROW. THE COLLISIONS CAUSED DAMAGE TO THE
FRONT BUMPER, NUMBER PLATE AND NUMBER PLATE COVER. ALSO, CAUSED DEEP
SCRATCHES TOT HE LEFT LOWER PANEL. THE VEHICLE WAS REPAIRED. THE
MANUFACTURER WAS NOTIFIED UPDATED 09/28/2017*JS
2017 corolla 4个
I PULLED IN A PARKING LOT OF MY APARTMENT BUILDING, BUT MY CAR FAILED TO
STOP AT THE CAR STOPPER (BUMP) AND KEPT GOING. I KEPT APPLYING THE BRAKES,
BUT THE CAR KEPT GOING . IT WENT THROUGH A WOODEN FENCE, I CONTINUED TO
APPLY THE BAKES, BUT THE CAR DIDN'T RESPOND AND KEPT GOING UNTIL IT HITS THE WALL OF THE ADJACENT BUILDING.
我估计十有八九是阴谋，很多加速的例子是假的。这么一搞，丰田销量大降，救活了福特。
【 在 rihei (嘿嘿) 的大作中提到: 】
: 而且是普遍问题，每个车型每年都有
: 最搞笑的是dealer检查一通，说没问题，导致用户多次遇到
: 这么严重的问题nhtsa竟然没调查？
: 别家看了看几款都没发现这问题，别人的service brake基本都是手刹问题
: 踩了刹车刹车无效
: 难怪尼玛路上丰田车前面空最大
: 这要再遇到自动加速祈祷上帝都没用了
: 例如：
: 2015 camry 24个brake 投诉
: WHILE I WAS DRIVING ON FREEWAY AT 65 MPH, THE BRAKE PEDAL WENT DOWN TO THE
: ...................
阴毛论是丰田为了继续忽悠人到处雇佣水军扯淡
如果真有阴毛
那就是4月份就调查了，不会等到奥黑旧车换新车计划结束，丰田成为最大赢家
本版就有车主遇到，高速上猛加速，最后准备撞18轮，结果突然好了
还有个车主说自己的es350遇到好几次，踩刹车反而猛加速，不过都是加速10几秒就停了
所以也没管他
而且网上视频也有，自己去看
暴露的原因是圣迭戈那个警察打了911
而且确实有几百人死亡与之相关，要不你以为丰田动不动给别人几百万也是阴毛？
否则估计掩盖到现在还屁事没有
调查不出问题就像你的window偶然出个蓝屏，你知道原因么？
最后调查报告是丰田给的，nhtsa没办法还专门注明
因为丰田不给查看代码
丰田之前没有刹车是爷系统，刹车没有优先权
现在问题少见了，是加了个补丁，虽然这个补丁有时候形同虚设，但是大部分时候还能起点作用
【 在 tend (tend) 的大作中提到: 】
: 自动加速问题，当年政府调查了很久，不也是没结论吗？
: 我估计十有八九是阴谋，很多加速的例子是假的。这么一搞，丰田销量大降，救活了福
: 特。
【 在 rihei (嘿嘿) 的大作中提到: 】
: 阴毛个屁
: 阴毛论是丰田为了继续忽悠人到处雇佣水军扯淡
: 如果真有阴毛
: 那就是4月份就调查了，不会等到奥黑旧车换新车计划结束，丰田成为最大赢家
: 本版就有车主遇到，高速上猛加速，最后准备撞18轮，结果突然好了
: 还有个车主说自己的es350遇到好几次，踩刹车反而猛加速，不过都是加速10几秒就
停了
: 所以也没管他
: 而且网上视频也有，自己去看
: 暴露的原因是圣迭戈那个警察打了911
: 而且确实有几百人死亡与之相关
: ...................
人家在dmv工作的
当然所有操作都无效才打的911，换空档有效还能等着撞死？、
你以为别人是sb？
这个已经早就确认了，丰田自动加速系统全卡死，什么操作都无效，而且不止这一个案例
唯一的可用操作是第一时间把刹车踩到底，然后停下来换到p档位，
那个yaris自动加速视频就是如此，最后换到p档发动机依然在嘶吼最后脱肛
国内有个scion也是，高速疯狂跑了2个小时，最后就是靠使劲踩刹车加蹭护栏才停下来然后现在没后续了，估计已经被丰田封口了
圣迭戈那个为什么不行，是因为没有第一时间踩到底，最后导致刹车过热，轮胎都着火了
【 在 tend (tend) 的大作中提到: 】
: 那个警察打911求救的尤其可疑。他有时间打电话，难道没时间拉手刹和换到空档？
: 停了
手刹在任何条件下都有用，是纯手动控制的。
【 在 rihei (嘿嘿) 的大作中提到: 】
: 有啥可疑的
: 人家在dmv工作的
: 当然所有操作都无效才打的911，换空档有效还能等着撞死？、
: 你以为别人是sb？
: 这个已经早就确认了，丰田自动加速系统全卡死，什么操作都无效，而且不止这一个案例
: 唯一的可用操作是第一时间把刹车踩到底，然后停下来换到p档位，
: 那个yaris自动加速视频就是如此，最后换到p档发动机依然在嘶吼最后脱肛
: 国内有个scion也是，高速疯狂跑了2个小时，最后就是靠使劲踩刹车加蹭护栏才停下来
: 然后现在没后续了，估计已经被丰田封口了
: 圣迭戈那个为什么不行，是因为没有第一时间踩到底，最后导致刹车过热，轮胎都着火了
你比别人都聪明
丰田就是这么垃圾，不要怀疑了
看看有人分析破解代码就知道
小日本编写软件就是joke
【 在 tend (tend) 的大作中提到: 】
: 故事是这样写的，实际情况没人知道，当事人也死了。这个故事出来后，每天都有类似
: 报道，那些当事人不是SB，很多是找乐子的。
: 手刹在任何条件下都有用，是纯手动控制的。
: 案例
: 火了
【 在 tend (tend) 的大作中提到: 】
: 故事是这样写的，实际情况没人知道，当事人也死了。这个故事出来后，每天都有类似
: 报道，那些当事人不是SB，很多是找乐子的。
: 手刹在任何条件下都有用，是纯手动控制的。
: 案例
: 火了
你连这个逻辑都不懂？没有问题的，搞调查说他有问题很难，因为很容易被证明结论是错误的。
【 在 rihei (嘿嘿) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我擦
: 你比别人都聪明
: 丰田就是这么垃圾，不要怀疑了
: 看看有人分析破解代码就知道
: 小日本编写软件就是joke
【 在 majiaabc (青蛙钓鱼啦) 的大作中提到: 】
: 那个谁录像里不是拍了高速拉手刹就是找死吗？
，真希望laoselang自己赶上一次自动加速和刹车失灵。
田分析给结果。
nhtsa要看代码，丰田安排了一台老旧不堪，慢的要死的电脑，让自己员工在那操作翻
页，然后nhtsa的专家现场看，不能动手。你说能看出来什么？
一方面又提供各种虚假证据，说用户没踩刹车，说什么脚垫卡油门，说什么油门自己缺陷
卡住，一会一个样
总之就是不承认软件有问题
实际上那个烂系统卡死根本就记录不了任何操作
另一方面收买受害者封口
有个受害者请了高手破解丰田的软件，发现丰田软件错漏百出，光全局变量就用了1万
多个，丰田赶紧掏了300万封口，网上到处删贴
这些网上都还有，你可以自己慢慢看
nhtsa最后没办法，只好采用了了丰田写的调查报告而已
因为确实太随机了，根本找不到任何可以直接对付丰田的证据
除非你在n个车上安装专门的设备，然后某天遇到一个，记录全过程
反正报告丰田写的，以后再发现问题那也是丰田的，而不是nhtsa的，所以nhtsa这种官僚机构就这么不了了之了
【 在 tend (tend) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这个不是谁聪明的问题。美国政府调查部门难道还不如你？调查的结果，发现了是软件
: 的问题？
: 你连这个逻辑都不懂？没有问题的，搞调查说他有问题很难，因为很容易被证明结论是
: 错误的。