May 20, 2017 U.S. regulators open probe into recall of nearly 1.7 million Hyundai, Kia models
A South Korean whistleblower reported concerns last year to the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), which will probe the timeliness of three recalls carried out in the United States and whether they covered enough vehicles.
Footwell intrusion Footrest (cm) 3 Left (cm) 4 Center (cm) 3 Right (cm) 2 Brake pedal (cm) 5
所以棒子车跟棒子明星一样，功夫都做到了脸上，应试教育比丰田还要强个三条街！
麻痹我老人家在这个帖子里抽死棒子托！！！
【 在 nvmnd (just so so) 的大作中提到: 】 看数据, from IIHS crash test results, 2017 hyundai sonata is better than mainstream family sedans. Roof strength (17047 lbs): 2017 Sonata better than chevy malibu, ford fusion, mazda 6, toyota camry or honda accord Side impact: 2017 sonata (-15.5 cm) worse than Mazda 6 (-16.5 cm), but better than most others in the same class. The one that really stands out is subaru legacy, at -19.5 cm and 18533 lbs, falls in leagues of luxury sedans.
moderate front measurements 一坨屎，left foot intrusion竟然高达10cm，真撞上
估计驾驶员的腿就废了
roof strength 16,840 lbs，side impact -16.0也就是2005年左右GM epsilon
platform的水准。
棒子车，真是功夫都花到了面子上了
不是top safty么？
本也就是epsilon平台的水平。
另外，你可以看下2008 Malibu的测试成绩，那叫跟Cadenza一个水准？
Hyundai, Kia models
A South Korean whistleblower reported concerns last year to the U.S.
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), which will probe the timeliness of three recalls carried out in the United States and whether
they covered enough vehicles.
mainstream family sedans.
Roof strength (17047 lbs):
2017 Sonata better than chevy malibu, ford fusion, mazda 6, toyota camry or honda accord
Side impact:
2017 sonata (-15.5 cm) worse than Mazda 6 (-16.5 cm), but better than most
others in the same class.
The one that really stands out is subaru legacy, at -19.5 cm and 18533 lbs, falls in leagues of luxury sedans.
vw的passat roof strength超过20000 lbs，价格差不多但是尺寸大一点的charger接近22000lbs的，显然在棒子托眼里，任何比sonota有更强顶棚的都不是主流family sedan。
side impact比impala （19.5），passat（16.5），甚至比小半号便宜很多的dodge
dart （19）和2015年的Malibu（18.5）还要差，鸡巴棒子托还有脸吹“better than
most others in the same class.”
再看看常人不容易观测到的数据，现代moderate里，
Footwell intrusion
Footrest (cm) 6
Left (cm) 9
Center (cm) 8
Right (cm) 4
Brake pedal (cm) 10
这几乎是目前最差的数据，除去日系车，随便拉出来一款家用sedan都比现代强的几条
街，就拿现代托最看不起的福特fusion来说
Footwell intrusion
Footrest (cm) 3
Left (cm) 4
Center (cm) 3
Right (cm) 2
Brake pedal (cm) 5
所以棒子车跟棒子明星一样，功夫都做到了脸上，应试教育比丰田还要强个三条街！
麻痹我老人家在这个帖子里抽死棒子托！！！
当然就算是山寨版的epsilon，也比2017的kia强
Footwell intrusion
Footrest (cm) 5
Left (cm) 10
Center (cm) 8
Right (cm) 6
Brake pedal (cm) 5
sum：34cm
2008 Malibu moderate
Footwell intrusion
Footrest (cm) 3
Left (cm) 8
Center (cm) 9
Right (cm) 8
Brake pedal (cm) 5
sum: 33cm
下面是正版的epsilon，2011 Buick regal
Footwell intrusion
Footrest (cm) 2
Left (cm) 6
Center (cm) 2
Right (cm) 2
Brake pedal (cm) 2
sum: 14cm
总而言之，现代的车身整体技术水平，接近1990年代末期的欧洲水平。
主流family sedan by sales: what is so amazing with your poster child VW
passat (#25) and Impala (#21)?
Fusion side impact (-11.5cm ). Please wash.
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2017/04/march-2017-ytd-usa-car-sales-stats-by-model.html
Rank
Car
March
2017 YTD
March
2016 YTD
%
Change
March
2017
March
2016
% Change
#1 Toyota Camry 83,459 96,245 -13.3% 35,648 36,991 -3.6%
#2 Honda Civic 81,654 87,303 -6.5% 31,520 32,855 -4.1%
#3 Toyota Corolla 81,435 88,486 -8.0% 32,707 34,215 -4.4%
#3.1 Toyota Corolla Sedan * 76,086 84,260 -9.7% 30,584 32,556 -6.1%
#3.2 Toyota Corolla iM * 5,349 4,226 26.6% 2,123 1,659 28.0%
#4 Nissan Altima 73,985 85,332 -13.3% 28,511 34,856 -18.2%
#5 Honda Accord 69,815 77,073 -9.4% 26,824 30,523 -12.1%
#6 Hyundai Elantra 54,202 39,363 37.7% 25,063 17,505 43.2%
#7 Chevrolet Cruze 53,923 37,241 44.8% 18,607 9,881 88.3%
#8 Nissan Sentra 51,414 62,944 -18.3% 21,960 26,201 -16.2%
#9 Ford Fusion 50,786 74,994 -32.3% 18,759 29,675 -36.8%
#10 Hyundai Sonata 37,869 61,457 -38.4% 15,357 28,778 -46.6%
#11 Ford Focus 36,705 50,215 -26.9% 14,437 18,618 -22.5%
#12 Chevrolet Malibu 35,005 58,222 -39.9% 14,222 22,058 -35.5%
#13 Nissan Versa 31,075 36,499 -14.9% 12,336 16,244 -24.1%
#14 Kia Optima 26,945 29,768 -9.5% 10,204 11,725 -13.0%#15 Subaru Impreza 26,274 21,460 22.4% 10,703 7,930 35.0%
#15.1 Subaru Impreza * 18,584 14,007 32.7% 7,653 5,193 47.4%
#15.2 Subaru Impreza WRX/STI * 7,690 7,453 3.2% 3,050 2,
737 11.4%
#16 Kia Forte 25,062 23,922 4.8% 10,289 10,406 -1.1%
#17 Volkswagen Jetta 24,563 28,023 -12.3% 9,700 10,471 -7.4%
#17.1 Volkswagen Jetta * 24,563 28,022 -12.3% 9,700 10,471
fusion：-11.5
所有车里倒数第一，让人叹为观止。
Toyota Prius v：-10.5，叹为观止
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/toyota/prius-v-4-door-wagon/2017
排第一的是福特：
Ford Mustang：-28.5，良心企业 叹为观止
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/ford/mustang-2-door-coupe/2017
厉害
Prius v: -10.5, -11.0
你还好意思嘲笑福特 啥时候丰田能做个-28.5的出来 估计材料费就够让丰田倒闭了
fusion今年是新款第一年
福特这新款还不如camry六七年前的设计
福特偷工减料真是用心良苦啊
2018 camry是换代 完全两个概念
不带这么忽悠人的
终于擦线进了TSP
这种车，不能买
而且我说Cadenza跟Malibu比，比的当然是side和roof strength：
side: 08 Malibu (-9.0 cm), 17 Cadenza (-16.0/-16.5 cm);
roof strength：08 Malibu (15063 lbs, 4.37 SWR), 17 Cadenza (16840 lb, 4.52
SWR).
你这上来就比moderate overlap front，难道你不知道frontal测试不能跨级别比吗？
就算拿第二代Epsilon的Regal比，Cadenza的side成绩是不是比Regal好？还什么“1990年代末期的欧洲水平”，真是语不惊人死不休，还是请你看看1997 MB E-Class的成绩
再来说话吧。
关于侧撞，可以看看这个帖子，大家最近刚刚讨论过：https://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Automobile/35596419.html
1. 日本车Toyota Avalon： -12.5
2. 棒子车Kia Cadenza：-16.5
3. 美国车Buick LaCrosse: -12
其他的large car (http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/v/class-summary/large-cars):
1. Chrysler 300: -11.5
2. Dodge Charger: -11.5
3. Dodge Challenger (双门的）： -19.5
4. Buick Regal: -14.5
5. Ford Taurus: -12
6. Hyundai Azera: -13.5
7. Chevrolet Impala: -19.5
撇去双门的Challenger不用放一起看。最好的是Impala，第二就是棒子车Cadenza了。
Impala因为未知原因未完成所有测试，包括small overlap。