我提到触控 只是想反驳某人说它是 “被别公司淘汰遗弃的技术”。 难道不清楚？ 觉得让人分心，正说明大屏幕fun好用（GPS, 地图，后视摄像，上网，搜索，media） 。为开车安全, Model S软件 lock了屏幕的 video 功能，你还有啥可分心的。 Tesla 97%的用户满意度，没听过有complain 大屏幕分心的。您这个观点匪夷所思! 你怎知 model X 玻璃会伤人？ 你车的 windshield 玻璃碎过几次？见过谁被 windshied 划伤了？正面windsheild 都可以接受，model X 顶上的全景玻璃怎样划伤 人？请赐教
density need a lot more substantial improvement to be meaningful. Density is essentially no change at all. Cost is another story. It will fall like rock at the beginning then it will stuck. Now it is pretty much bottom out. Taking Pb battery as benchmark, currently, typical car battery cost you $100, $50 to make and hold about 0.5 KWH. Volume wise this might be the largest battery volume out there, shipping 100M unit a year. It put the cost at $100/KWH. Once it become kind of commodity, recent years it cost more depending on economy a lot. You will soon see the resource limits of Li and Ni ore.
【 在 FangQ (光芒之神) 的大作中提到: 】 you admit it or not, the cost is going down, the energy density is going up, it is plain fact. exactly, scale goes up, cost goes down - 101 in manufacturing. As long as : the EV market is growing steadily, the cost will go down (if the market keep the exponential growth rate, the battery cost will plunge), there is nothing to argue about. ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 1.0.6
【 在 youngboy (little+tiger) 的大作中提到: 】 论 Model S的撞击安全性，真真正中下怀。说它是第二， 就没有第一。 导致高安全的原因也是所以电动车的优势 （重心低，前面没有发动机，有缓冲）。 其他电车这么搞，没有是因为汽油车思维，不是颠覆性设计底盘。 但理论上都可以用类似设计。 看看faradi futures. musk已经免费公开所以专利了。 Tesla Model S Achieves Best Safety Rating of Any Car Ever Tested （Sets New NHTSA Vehicle Safety Score Record） http://ir.teslamotors.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=786136 More: 1 https://www.tModel S Achieves Euro NCAP 5-Star Safety Rating ...................
Mercedes 的风阻数据不实，外面独立测量常不能验证，见下 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_S Tesla claimed a drag coefficient of Cd=0.24,[49] lower than any car when released. Models of Mercedes-Benz CLA-Class (released later) appeared to surpass the Model S[4][50] however, independent measurement by Car And Driver in May 2014 bore out Tesla's claim by exactly confirming a drag coefficient of Cd=0.24, but in the same test, measured the Mercedes CLA at Cd=0.30, putting Mercedes' claim into question.
不知道你的图片哪里来的。 请你读这个，不用说了。 特斯拉真应该做广告，让普通人了解。 http://ir.teslamotors.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=786136 Tesla Model S Achieves Best Safety Rating of Any Car Ever Tested （Sets New NHTSA Vehicle Safety Score Record） National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has awarded the Tesla Model S a 5-star safety rating, not just overall, but in every subcategory without exception. Approximately one percent of all cars tested by the federal government achieve 5 stars across the board. NHTSA does not publish a star rating above 5, however safety levels better than 5 stars are captured in the overall Vehicle Safety Score (VSS) provided to manufacturers, where the Model S achieved a new combined record of 5.4 stars. Of all vehicles tested, including every major make and model approved for sale in the United States, the Model S set a new record for the lowest likelihood of injury to occupants. While the Model S is a sedan, it also exceeded the safety score of all SUVs and minivans. This score takes into account the probability of injury from front, side, rear and rollover accidents.
【 在 youngboy (little+tiger) 的大作中提到: 】 Mercedes 的风阻数据不实，外面独立测量常不能验证，见下 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_S Tesla claimed a drag coefficient of Cd=0.24,[49] lower than any car when released. Models of Mercedes-Benz CLA-Class (released later) appeared to : surpass the Model S[4][50] however, independent measurement by Car And Driver in May 2014 bore out Tesla's claim by exactly confirming a drag coefficient of Cd=0.24, but in the same test, measured the Mercedes CLA at Cd=0.30, putting Mercedes' claim into question.
【 在 youngboy (little+tiger) 的大作中提到: 】 不知道你的图片哪里来的。 请你读这个，不用说了。 特斯拉真应该做广告，让普通人了解。 http://ir.teslamotors.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=786136 Tesla Model S Achieves Best Safety Rating of Any Car Ever Tested （Sets New NHTSA Vehicle Safety Score Record） National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has awarded the Tesla Model S a 5-star safety rating, not just overall, but in every subcategory without exception. Approximately one percent of all cars tested by the federal government achieve 5 stars across the board. NHTSA does not publish ...................
these scores only concluded a difference, but say nothing about such difference is significant or not. in fact, the impact tests have such a small sample size among all impact possibilities (and a small set of car samples), it is almost impossible to conclude a significance. so don't take it too seriously.
请不要歪曲事实，把别人想得如此不堪。 MUSK 是有理想的人,创造了几家伟大公司，创造了很多就业，改变人类生活，值得敬佩。 他要做的事可能会推迟，但so far 都实现了。 Also - Musk is indeed a savvy engineer。 https://www.asme.org/career-education/early-career-engineers/me-today/ engineer-in-focus-elon-musk While Mr. Musk does not have an engineering degree per say, he holds degrees in Physics and Economics from the University of Pennsylvania, few dispute his assertion, in response to his focus on technical details as CEO of Tesla and Space X, "I'm an engineer, so what I do is engineering. That's what I'm good at." Even as a CEO, his close involvement with design, engineering, and critical technical decisions is unique amongst his peers, stating that he doesn't "know how they make any kind of sensible decision."
http://www.maseratiusa.com/maserati/us/en/index/models/quattroporte/quattroporte-SQ4.html
觉得让人分心，正说明大屏幕fun好用（GPS, 地图，后视摄像，上网，搜索，media）
。为开车安全, Model S软件 lock了屏幕的 video 功能，你还有啥可分心的。 Tesla 97%的用户满意度，没听过有complain 大屏幕分心的。您这个观点匪夷所思!
你怎知 model X 玻璃会伤人？ 你车的 windshield 玻璃碎过几次？见过谁被
windshied 划伤了？正面windsheild 都可以接受，model X 顶上的全景玻璃怎样划伤
人？请赐教
: 97%的用户满意度，没听过有complain 大屏幕分心的。您这个观点匪夷所思!
真怀疑你是不是开过带触摸屏幕的车
俺通常同时打开地图和后视摄像头监视后面的车，个人喜好而已
您指其他公司的 GPS 触摸屏还是什么？
Cost is another story. It will fall like rock at the beginning then it will stuck. Now it is pretty much bottom out. Taking Pb battery as benchmark,
currently, typical car battery cost you $100, $50 to make and hold about 0.5 KWH. Volume wise this might be the largest battery volume out there,
shipping 100M unit a year. It put the cost at $100/KWH. Once it become kind of commodity, recent years it cost more depending on economy a lot.
You will soon see the resource limits of Li and Ni ore.
全性，Model S也不是最安全吧，起码看碰撞测试结果还是有不少车比Model S强。
触摸你得看，然后点，眼睛自然得离开路面。不安全还用说？你开个车还鼓励上网搜索？如果你说停车时候用当然fancy
这个东西真没啥，你买个iPad挂那几本就齐了，别搞得好像天顶星似的
电车最大的优点就是低速扭矩
其他的没有汽油车做不到的
安全性本质上是别人搞的
自己加的东西，电池起火，自动驾驶不成熟，尼玛就没几个安全的
朱棣文啥时候成太阳能专家了？
尼玛musk是懂市场，丫懂车
model x就不会难产了
Prius 和 XL1 都是hybrid或plug-in , 不是汽油车。
都是占了电池电机的光，散热少，radiator小，所以风阻小
导致高安全的原因也是所以电动车的优势 （重心低，前面没有发动机，有缓冲）。
其他电车没有这么搞，是因为汽油车思维，没有颠覆性设计底盘。
但理论上都可以用类似设计， 看看faradi futures.
musk已经免费公开所以专利了。
见下：
Tesla Model S Achieves Best Safety Rating of Any Car Ever Tested
（Sets New NHTSA Vehicle Safety Score Record）http://ir.teslamotors.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=786136
More:
1 https://www.tModel S Achieves Euro NCAP 5-Star Safety Ratinghttps://www.teslamotors.com/blog/model-s-achieves-euro-ncap-5star-safety-
rating
2 Watch the Tesla Model S break the NHTSA crash-test scalehttp://www.autonews.com/article/20150827/RETAIL03/150829910/tes
3 The Tesla Model S Is So Safe It Broke the Crash-Testing Gearhttp://www.wired.com/2013/08/tesla-model-s-crash-test/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_S
Tesla claimed a drag coefficient of Cd=0.24,[49] lower than any car when
released. Models of Mercedes-Benz CLA-Class (released later) appeared to
surpass the Model S[4][50] however, independent measurement by Car And
Driver in May 2014 bore out Tesla's claim by exactly confirming a drag
coefficient of Cd=0.24, but in the same test, measured the Mercedes CLA at
Cd=0.30, putting Mercedes' claim into question.
请你读这个，不用说了。
特斯拉真应该做广告，让普通人了解。
http://ir.teslamotors.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=786136
Tesla Model S Achieves Best Safety Rating of Any Car Ever Tested （Sets New NHTSA Vehicle Safety Score Record）
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has awarded the Tesla Model S a 5-star safety rating, not just overall, but in every subcategory without exception. Approximately one percent of all cars tested by the
federal government achieve 5 stars across the board. NHTSA does not publish a star rating above 5, however safety levels better than 5 stars are
captured in the overall Vehicle Safety Score (VSS) provided to manufacturers, where the Model S achieved a new combined record of 5.4 stars.
Of all vehicles tested, including every major make and model approved for
sale in the United States, the Model S set a new record for the lowest
likelihood of injury to occupants. While the Model S is a sedan, it also
exceeded the safety score of all SUVs and minivans. This score takes into
account the probability of injury from front, side, rear and rollover
accidents.
如果不是电池不先进，内燃机也发展不到目前这个程度，电动车早就把内燃机淘汰了。
difference is significant or not. in fact, the impact tests have such a
small sample size among all impact possibilities (and a small set of car
samples), it is almost impossible to conclude a significance. so don't take it too seriously.
5万+辆在路上到底有几个人在用自动驾驶呢？没有出现车祸根本不能说明它就安全。好多是因为用户干预才避免了车祸，不然早死人了。
Tesla的自动驾驶根本没有经过政府安全鉴定的。over the air update其实绕过了政府的安全管制，把不安全的车放在了路上。
http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/4/9670744/tesla-self-driving-autonomous-cars-regulation-oversight
你说他故意选择在海上着陆，那不是因为海上着陆难度大来证明点什么，是利益问题。 你说那是借口你开心就好，喜欢歪曲事实你高兴就好，一个只会呆电脑后面当个键盘
侠的人...
这说明它考虑了risk, 没有让用户放手不管。如果软件认为困难，会提醒用户收回控制。
它的软件和传感器，倒是避免了不少车祸,譬如 washington 那人。
Fleet learning 让 AI software 每天学习，变得更聪明。不用autopilot时它也在偷
偷学习.
然后 over the air software update 使其它车也学到了。这个办法有甚不好？
牛人 George hotz 的办法也是通过AI 让软件学习路况：http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/17/10374422/elon-musk-george-hotz-self-driving-car-tech-criticism
无人驾驶目前只是semi-autonomous，没说它是完美的。
假以时间，会越来越好， 2-3年后再看怎样。
它肯定不能完全代替人类driver。 但是99.9%可以比人类好（少犯错）
对于我 99% 就可以了，我可从三番到LA路上睡觉，多好。
如果下大雪大雾等及其恶劣天气和复杂情况，那我自己开。
MUSK 是有理想的人,创造了几家伟大公司，创造了很多就业，改变人类生活，值得敬佩。
他要做的事可能会推迟，但so far 都实现了。
Also - Musk is indeed a savvy engineer。
https://www.asme.org/career-education/early-career-engineers/me-today/
engineer-in-focus-elon-musk
While Mr. Musk does not have an engineering degree per say, he holds degrees in Physics and Economics from the University of Pennsylvania, few dispute
his assertion, in response to his focus on technical details as CEO of Tesla and Space X, "I'm an engineer, so what I do is engineering. That's what I'm good at." Even as a CEO, his close involvement with design, engineering,
and critical technical decisions is unique amongst his peers, stating that
he doesn't "know how they make any kind of sensible decision."
根本没有人知道人脑（甚至鼠脑）是怎么处理这些事情的。
Google的自动车做了那么久，仍然只有在mountain view downtown，白天天气好的时候转转。
跟对musk充满了崇拜，对科幻世界充满了憧憬的小白真是没法对话 :P
musk要是聪明点就不会作出Model X那种门，就不会试图让火箭在海上平台着陆。先把陆
地上的着陆做到100%可靠，再来跟我们说海上的比较好。
很高兴中国人里面没有被洗脑的还是占多数
所以以后都不需要讨论这些了……
: 地上的着陆做到100%可靠，再来跟我们说海上的比较好。
没人说他是科学家，他不是nasa里面那种智商顶天的人，何况科学家这种东西，做的是科学性研究，跟space x不搭边，space x也没能力自己做卫星做探测器，这需要很多人力
他确实是商人，但不只是商人，他自己确实是一个工程师
他对事情的预测和设计，全球顶尖算不上，但是和业余比，绰绰有余
当你说出trump 做人很本分的时候我就知道我跟你的价值观完全不一样，确实不在一条线上了....
ps: musk 没有越权做过什么，他也没有所谓的“真正势力”，只是他的能力带动了许
多行业的改革
这样的人多几个 人类能源交通环保进步会越快
有人开玩笑说 美国政府应该把GM的钥匙给他，
利用GM的无限资源，可加快电动车步伐 重振美国汽车业
特斯拉车虽好 但是产量有限 资金太少
似乎是个不错 idea
目前非常低油价 大大刺激汽油车销售 会打击低端电动车
长期看 因储量问题油价会上升 ，电池价格会持续下降随技术发展；电价（除去通胀
）可能也会下降 （因为太阳能板降价和普及， 和其他能源发展，如热核能。不知这
个油价和电价 比较转折点是牛年马月。
即使目前电池很贵 电动车因其诸多内在优点 近年销售指数增长
看到板上几个关于Tesla Auto pilot 的讨论。
这个有些相关。