税率本身不是问题，逃税漏税才是真问题。美国一直以来，都堵不住逃税漏税的扣子。于是下面是发生的事实。 1. 税收占gdp的百分比，常年不变（征收90%富人税也是如此）。个人税占gdp的百分比常年不变。（如图） 2.这么主党就会说，富人税多了。穷人税少了呗。所以总量不变。那么事实是什么？ Well, no. In fact, the percentage of taxes paid by the highest quintile of income earners has steadily gone up since 1980. In 1980, the top 20 percent paid about 55 percent of all income taxes. Today, it’s just shy of 70 percent. The same goes for the top 1 percent, which went from about 15 percent in 1980 to just shy of 30 percent today.https://mises.org/library/good-ol-days-when-tax-rates-were-90-percent
【 在 robertfrost (robertfrost) 的大作中提到: 】 : 税率本身不是问题，逃税漏税才是真问题。美国一直以来，都堵不住逃税漏税的扣子。 : 于是下面是发生的事实。 : 1. 税收占gdp的百分比，常年不变（征收90%富人税也是如此）。个人税占gdp的百分比 : 常年不变。（如图） : 2.这么主党就会说，富人税多了。穷人税少了呗。所以总量不变。那么事实是什么？: Well, no. In fact, the percentage of taxes paid by the highest quintile of : income earners has steadily gone up since 1980. In 1980, the top 20 percent : paid about 55 percent of all income taxes. Today, it’s just shy of 70 : percent. The same goes for the top 1 percent, which went from about 15 : percent in 1980 to just shy of 30 percent today. : ...................
[在 robertfrost (robertfrost) 的大作中提到：] :税率本身不是问题，逃税漏税才是真问题。美国一直以来，都堵不住逃税漏税的扣子 。于是下面是发生的事实。 :1. 税收占gdp的百分比，常年不变（征收90%富人税也是如此）。个人税占gdp的百分 比常年不变。（如图） :Well, no. In fact, the percentage of taxes paid by the highest quintile of :income earners has steadily gone up since 1980. In 1980, the top 20 percent paid about 55 percent of all income taxes. Today, it’s just shy of 70 :percent. The same goes for the top 1 percent, which went from about 15 :percent in 1980 to just shy of 30 percent today. :https://mises.org/library/good-ol-days-when-tax-rates-were-90-percent :大砍富人税之后，反而是富人交的税更多了。而税总量不变，也就是说不砍富人税， 反而中产交的税更多。 :，但是足以说明增税富人也不会交更多税。 :年份 top 0.1%实际收得税在总个人税中的比例 当年最高税率 :..........
Hillary Clinton would enact a number of tax policies that would raise tax revenue over the next decade in order to fund new or expanded programs. If enacted, her tax policies would impose slightly higher marginal tax rates on capital and labor income, which would result in a slight reduction in the size of the U.S. economy in the long run. This would decrease the revenue that the new tax policies would ultimately collect. The plan would make the tax code more progressive overall, but would lead to lower after-tax incomes for taxpayers at all income levels, but especially for taxpayers at the top. https://taxfoundation.org/details-and-analysis-hillary-clinton-s-tax- proposals-october-2016/
我给你一个最基础的提示，她何处提了富人在大量逃税？她的税改，都不咋提逃税的事，你就敢说他基本堵死了富人逃税的办法。。。。 【 在 shadingyu (fish) 的大作中提到: 】 : 另外你可以看看 民主党的 也可以说是希拉里的税改， 基本堵死了富人逃税的办法。 : Hillary Clinton would enact a number of tax policies that would raise tax : revenue over the next decade in order to fund new or expanded programs. If : enacted, her tax policies would impose slightly higher marginal tax rates on : capital and labor income, which would result in a slight reduction in the : size of the U.S. economy in the long run. This would decrease the revenue : that the new tax policies would ultimately collect. The plan would make the : tax code more progressive overall, but would lead to lower after-tax incomes : for taxpayers at all income levels, but especially for taxpayers at the top. : https://taxfoundation.org/details-and-analysis-hillary-clinton-s-tax- : ...................
【 在 robertfrost (robertfrost) 的大作中提到: 】 : 税率本身不是问题，逃税漏税才是真问题。美国一直以来，都堵不住逃税漏税的扣子。 : 于是下面是发生的事实。 : 1. 税收占gdp的百分比，常年不变（征收90%富人税也是如此）。个人税占gdp的百分比 : 常年不变。（如图） : 2.这么主党就会说，富人税多了。穷人税少了呗。所以总量不变。那么事实是什么？: Well, no. In fact, the percentage of taxes paid by the highest quintile of : income earners has steadily gone up since 1980. In 1980, the top 20 percent : paid about 55 percent of all income taxes. Today, it’s just shy of 70 : percent. The same goes for the top 1 percent, which went from about 15 : percent in 1980 to just shy of 30 percent today. : ...................
税率本身不是问题，逃税漏税才是真问题。美国一直以来，都堵不住逃税漏税的扣子。于是下面是发生的事实。 1. 税收占gdp的百分比，常年不变（征收90%富人税也是如此）。个人税占gdp的百分比常年不变。（如图） 2.这么主党就会说，富人税多了。穷人税少了呗。所以总量不变。那么事实是什么？ Well, no. In fact, the percentage of taxes paid by the highest quintile of income earners has steadily gone up since 1980. In 1980, the top 20 percent paid about 55 percent of all income taxes. Today, it’s just shy of 70 percent. The same goes for the top 1 percent, which went from about 15 percent in 1980 to just shy of 30 percent today.https://mises.org/library/good-ol-days-when-tax-rates-were-90-percent
【 在 robertfrost (robertfrost) 的大作中提到: 】 : 税率本身不是问题，逃税漏税才是真问题。美国一直以来，都堵不住逃税漏税的扣子。 : 于是下面是发生的事实。 : 1. 税收占gdp的百分比，常年不变（征收90%富人税也是如此）。个人税占gdp的百分比 : 常年不变。（如图） : 2.这么主党就会说，富人税多了。穷人税少了呗。所以总量不变。那么事实是什么？: Well, no. In fact, the percentage of taxes paid by the highest quintile of : income earners has steadily gone up since 1980. In 1980, the top 20 percent : paid about 55 percent of all income taxes. Today, it’s just shy of 70 : percent. The same goes for the top 1 percent, which went from about 15 : percent in 1980 to just shy of 30 percent today. : ...................
Hillary Clinton would enact a number of tax policies that would raise tax revenue over the next decade in order to fund new or expanded programs. If enacted, her tax policies would impose slightly higher marginal tax rates oncapital and labor income, which would result in a slight reduction in the size of the U.S. economy in the long run. This would decrease the revenue that the new tax policies would ultimately collect. The plan would make the tax code more progressive overall, but would lead to lower after-tax incomesfor taxpayers at all income levels, but especially for taxpayers at the top. https://taxfoundation.org/details-and-analysis-hillary-clinton-s-tax- proposals-october-2016/
1. 税收占gdp的百分比，常年不变（征收90%富人税也是如此）。个人税占gdp的百分比常年不变。（如图）
2.这么主党就会说，富人税多了。穷人税少了呗。所以总量不变。那么事实是什么？
Well, no. In fact, the percentage of taxes paid by the highest quintile of
income earners has steadily gone up since 1980. In 1980, the top 20 percent paid about 55 percent of all income taxes. Today, it’s just shy of 70
percent. The same goes for the top 1 percent, which went from about 15
percent in 1980 to just shy of 30 percent today.https://mises.org/library/good-ol-days-when-tax-rates-were-90-percent
大砍富人税之后，反而是富人交的税更多了。而税总量不变，也就是说不砍富人税，反而中产交的税更多。
3. 下面是我以前也贴过的额外数据。额外数据本身虽然不足以证明减税富人交的更多
，但是足以说明增税富人也不会交更多税。
年份 top 0.1%实际收得税在总个人税中的比例 当年最高税率
2001 8.05% 39.1%
2002 7.04% 38.6%
2003 7.56% 35%
2004 9.15% 35%
2005 10.64% 35%
2006 11.23% 35%
2007 11.95% 35%
2008 10.06% 35%
2009 7.94% 35%
2010 9.24% 35%
2011 8.86% 35%
2012 11.25% 35%
2013 9.03% 39.6%
2014 10.16% 39.6%
年份 10%-25%的人所交税收占总数比例
2001 21.80%
2002 22.39%
2003 22.33%
2004 21.60%
2005 20.90%
2006 20.73%
2007 20.53%
2008 21.71%
2009 22.96%
2010 22.38%
2011 22.43%
2012 21.39%
2013 22.23%
2014 21.70%http://taxfoundation.org/summary-latest-federal-income-tax-data-2016-update/
http://federal-tax-rates.insidegov.com/
综上所述，不堵住富人逃税避税的口子，喊税率并不能让社会更公平（增减都是如此）。
什么样的政府会制定反富人逃税的法律呢？
【 在 robertfrost (robertfrost) 的大作中提到: 】
: 税率本身不是问题，逃税漏税才是真问题。美国一直以来，都堵不住逃税漏税的扣子。
: 于是下面是发生的事实。
: 1. 税收占gdp的百分比，常年不变（征收90%富人税也是如此）。个人税占gdp的百分比
: 常年不变。（如图）
: 2.这么主党就会说，富人税多了。穷人税少了呗。所以总量不变。那么事实是什么？: Well, no. In fact, the percentage of taxes paid by the highest quintile of
: income earners has steadily gone up since 1980. In 1980, the top 20
percent
: paid about 55 percent of all income taxes. Today, it’s just shy of 70
: percent. The same goes for the top 1 percent, which went from about 15
: percent in 1980 to just shy of 30 percent today.
: ...................
【 在 wsbioguy2 (postdog) 的大作中提到: 】
: 是的， 但这个国家就是富人的，
: 什么样的政府会制定反富人逃税的法律呢？
: percent
【 在 robertfrost (robertfrost) 的大作中提到: 】
: 说的对。我只是在说，和党堵不住逃税干脆减税---真小人。 主党堵不住逃税却大喊增
: 税---伪君子。
台都不能他上台。
【 在 roygreat (Light be with you.) 的大作中提到: 】
: 大家还是等Sanders吧。这届总统本来是他的，完全是被共和党和民主党联手黑掉了。
[在 robertfrost (robertfrost) 的大作中提到：]
:税率本身不是问题，逃税漏税才是真问题。美国一直以来，都堵不住逃税漏税的扣子
。于是下面是发生的事实。
:1. 税收占gdp的百分比，常年不变（征收90%富人税也是如此）。个人税占gdp的百分
比常年不变。（如图）
:Well, no. In fact, the percentage of taxes paid by the highest quintile of :income earners has steadily gone up since 1980. In 1980, the top 20 percent paid about 55 percent of all income taxes. Today, it’s just shy of 70
:percent. The same goes for the top 1 percent, which went from about 15
:percent in 1980 to just shy of 30 percent today.
:https://mises.org/library/good-ol-days-when-tax-rates-were-90-percent
:大砍富人税之后，反而是富人交的税更多了。而税总量不变，也就是说不砍富人税，
反而中产交的税更多。
:，但是足以说明增税富人也不会交更多税。
:年份 top 0.1%实际收得税在总个人税中的比例 当年最高税率
:..........
差距更大了，而不是降低税率富人就不逃税了
有漏洞，富人不会不用，而不管税率多少
就像穷人如果能领补助，肯定会领一样
当然 我不否认如果对富人税率搞得太高，富人会用脚投票移民，但是只要不是像法国
那样搞70% 就不会出现这种情况
【 在 robertfrost (robertfrost) 的大作中提到: 】
: 说的对。我只是在说，和党堵不住逃税干脆减税---真小人。 主党堵不住逃税却大喊增
: 税---伪君子。
【 在 mzren (梅哲人) 的大作中提到: 】
: 其实这个富人税率低 总纳税高，更直观的结论是这个社会的财富越来越集中了，贫富
: 差距更大了，而不是降低税率富人就不逃税了
: 有漏洞，富人不会不用，而不管税率多少
: 就像穷人如果能领补助，肯定会领一样
: 当然 我不否认如果对富人税率搞得太高，富人会用脚投票移民，但是只要不是像法国
: 那样搞70% 就不会出现这种情况
【在roygreat（Light be with you.）的大作中提到：】
：大家还是等Sanders吧。这届总统本来是他的，完全是被共和党和民主党联手黑掉了
。
认识一个律师，说他的客户开公司的，每年去几个地方渡假，全是走公司的帐，美其名曰开会研究公司发展战略。
反而税率降了之后，富人们可以把钱发到自己手里去自由自在渡假，不用想着还需要做几份ppt，以防被irs查的时候有文件证明是开会了。
共和党 川普 可说了 富人不会少缴
你这是黑川普？
【 在 robertfrost (robertfrost) 的大作中提到: 】
: 说的对。我只是在说，和党堵不住逃税干脆减税---真小人。 主党堵不住逃税却大喊增
: 税---伪君子。
Hillary Clinton would enact a number of tax policies that would raise tax
revenue over the next decade in order to fund new or expanded programs. If
enacted, her tax policies would impose slightly higher marginal tax rates on capital and labor income, which would result in a slight reduction in the
size of the U.S. economy in the long run. This would decrease the revenue
that the new tax policies would ultimately collect. The plan would make the tax code more progressive overall, but would lead to lower after-tax incomes for taxpayers at all income levels, but especially for taxpayers at the top.
https://taxfoundation.org/details-and-analysis-hillary-clinton-s-tax-
proposals-october-2016/
既然富人逃税的手段， 川粉都这么清楚， 说控制不住实在是说不过去。
哈哈
【 在 robertfrost (robertfrost) 的大作中提到: 】
: 说的对。我只是在说，和党堵不住逃税干脆减税---真小人。 主党堵不住逃税却大喊增
: 税---伪君子。
【 在 shadingyu (fish) 的大作中提到: 】
: 另外你可以看看 民主党的 也可以说是希拉里的税改， 基本堵死了富人逃税的办法。
: Hillary Clinton would enact a number of tax policies that would raise tax : revenue over the next decade in order to fund new or expanded programs. If
: enacted, her tax policies would impose slightly higher marginal tax rates on
: capital and labor income, which would result in a slight reduction in the
: size of the U.S. economy in the long run. This would decrease the revenue : that the new tax policies would ultimately collect. The plan would make
the
: tax code more progressive overall, but would lead to lower after-tax
incomes
: for taxpayers at all income levels, but especially for taxpayers at the
top.
: https://taxfoundation.org/details-and-analysis-hillary-clinton-s-tax-
: ...................
人家是叫合理避税。
【 在 robertfrost (robertfrost) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我给你一个最基础的提示，她何处提了富人在大量逃税？
: 。
: on
: the
: incomes
: top.
: 税率本身不是问题，逃税漏税才是真问题。美国一直以来，都堵不住逃税漏税的扣子。
: 于是下面是发生的事实。
: 1. 税收占gdp的百分比，常年不变（征收90%富人税也是如此）。个人税占gdp的百分比
: 常年不变。（如图）
: 2.这么主党就会说，富人税多了。穷人税少了呗。所以总量不变。那么事实是什么？: Well, no. In fact, the percentage of taxes paid by the highest quintile of
: income earners has steadily gone up since 1980. In 1980, the top 20
percent
: paid about 55 percent of all income taxes. Today, it’s just shy of 70
: percent. The same goes for the top 1 percent, which went from about 15
: percent in 1980 to just shy of 30 percent today.
: ...................
发信人: robertfrost (robertfrost), 信区: USANews
标 题: 纯干货：税率的问题。
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Sep 28 09:29:14 2017, 美东)
税率本身不是问题，逃税漏税才是真问题。美国一直以来，都堵不住逃税漏税的扣子。于是下面是发生的事实。
1. 税收占gdp的百分比，常年不变（征收90%富人税也是如此）。个人税占gdp的百分比常年不变。（如图）
2.这么主党就会说，富人税多了。穷人税少了呗。所以总量不变。那么事实是什么？
Well, no. In fact, the percentage of taxes paid by the highest quintile of
income earners has steadily gone up since 1980. In 1980, the top 20 percent paid about 55 percent of all income taxes. Today, it’s just shy of 70
percent. The same goes for the top 1 percent, which went from about 15
percent in 1980 to just shy of 30 percent today.https://mises.org/library/good-ol-days-when-tax-rates-were-90-percent
大砍富人税之后，反而是富人交的税更多了。而税总量不变，也就是说不砍富人税，反而中产交的税更多。
3. 下面是我以前也贴过的额外数据。额外数据本身虽然不足以证明减税富人交的更多
，但是足以说明增税富人也不会交更多税。
年份 top 0.1%实际收得税在总个人税中的比例 当年最高税率
2001 8.05% 39.1%
2002 7.04% 38.6%
2003 7.56% 35%
2004 9.15% 35%
2005 10.64% 35%
2006 11.23% 35%
2007 11.95% 35%
2008 10.06% 35%
2009 7.94% 35%
2010 9.24% 35%
2011 8.86% 35%
2012 11.25% 35%
2013 9.03% 39.6%
2014 10.16% 39.6%
年份 10%-25%的人所交税收占总数比例
2001 21.80%
2002 22.39%
2003 22.33%
2004 21.60%
2005 20.90%
2006 20.73%
2007 20.53%
2008 21.71%
2009 22.96%
2010 22.38%
2011 22.43%
2012 21.39%
2013 22.23%
2014 21.70%http://taxfoundation.org/summary-latest-federal-income-tax-data-2016-update/
http://federal-tax-rates.insidegov.com/
综上所述，不堵住富人逃税避税的口子，喊税率并不能让社会更公平（增减都是如此）。
【 在 shadingyu (fish) 的大作中提到: 】
: 拉倒吧
: 共和党 川普 可说了 富人不会少缴
: 你这是黑川普？
反过来，到底你是右派还是我是右派？我从你这发言，只能看出来你这个左派，是假的。
【 在 shadingyu (fish) 的大作中提到: 】
: 富人逃税了吗？ 谁逃税了？ 你赶紧去报警啊
: 人家是叫合理避税。
明明白白说的她维护的是精英阶层的利益不是普通老百姓的利益。你看99%的超级富豪
都支持西婆。你不会认为这些亿万富翁都是雷锋或是弱智吧。呵呵。
【 在 shadingyu(fish) 的大作中提到: 】
: 另外你可以看看 民主党的 也可以说是希拉里的税改， 基本堵死了富人逃税的办法。
: Hillary Clinton would enact a number of tax policies that would raise tax
: revenue over the next decade in order to fund new or expanded programs. If
: enacted, her tax policies would impose slightly higher marginal tax
rates on
: capital and labor income, which would result in a slight reduction in the
: size of the U.S. economy in the long run. This would decrease the
revenue
: that the new tax policies would ultimately collect. The plan would
make the
: tax code more progressive overall, but would lead to lower after-tax
incomes
: for taxpayers at all income levels, but especially for taxpayers at
the top.
: https://taxfoundation.org/details-and-analysis-hillary-clinton-s-tax-
: ...................
【 在 robertfrost (robertfrost) 的大作中提到: 】
: 税率本身不是问题，逃税漏税才是真问题。美国一直以来，都堵不住逃税漏税的扣子。
: 于是下面是发生的事实。
: 1. 税收占gdp的百分比，常年不变（征收90%富人税也是如此）。个人税占gdp的百分比
: 常年不变。（如图）
: 2.这么主党就会说，富人税多了。穷人税少了呗。所以总量不变。那么事实是什么？: Well, no. In fact, the percentage of taxes paid by the highest quintile of
: income earners has steadily gone up since 1980. In 1980, the top 20
percent
: paid about 55 percent of all income taxes. Today, it’s just shy of 70
: percent. The same goes for the top 1 percent, which went from about 15
: percent in 1980 to just shy of 30 percent today.
: ...................
你这种死脑袋， 搞啥啥搞不明白。
发信人: shadingyu (fish), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: 纯干货：税率的问题。
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Sep 28 20:40:48 2017, 美东)
富人逃税了吗？ 谁逃税了？ 你赶紧去报警啊
人家是叫合理避税。
【 在 robertfrost (robertfrost) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我给你一个最基础的提示，她何处提了富人在大量逃税？
: 。
: on
: the
: incomes
: top.
没一毫作用。
发信人: shadingyu (fish), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: 纯干货：税率的问题。
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Sep 28 20:36:30 2017, 美东)
另外你可以看看 民主党的 也可以说是希拉里的税改， 基本堵死了富人逃税的办法。
Hillary Clinton would enact a number of tax policies that would raise tax
revenue over the next decade in order to fund new or expanded programs. If
enacted, her tax policies would impose slightly higher marginal tax rates oncapital and labor income, which would result in a slight reduction in the
size of the U.S. economy in the long run. This would decrease the revenue
that the new tax policies would ultimately collect. The plan would make the tax code more progressive overall, but would lead to lower after-tax incomesfor taxpayers at all income levels, but especially for taxpayers at the top.
https://taxfoundation.org/details-and-analysis-hillary-clinton-s-tax-
proposals-october-2016/
既然富人逃税的手段， 川粉都这么清楚， 说控制不住实在是说不过去。
哈哈
【 在 robertfrost (robertfrost) 的大作中提到: 】
: 说的对。我只是在说，和党堵不住逃税干脆减税---真小人。 主党堵不住逃税却大喊增
: 税---伪君子。